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NYguy Mar 31, 2010 12:57 PM

^ Yeah, it's a shame when people resort to this...


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/ny...l?ref=nyregion
Man Dies in Leap Off Empire State Building

Quote:

A 21-year-old man leapt to his death from an observation deck of the Empire State Building on Tuesday, the police said.

The man, whose name was not released, got a running start and cleared a barrier on the observation deck, on the 86th floor, about 6:15 p.m., the police said.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2010 4:19 PM

^^^That's tragic...I feel sorry for the poor kid.
He must have been going through some terrible times.



On a lighter note here's a short article from today's NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/di...ef=todayspaper

NYguy Apr 1, 2010 1:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4774667)

It’s hard to believe the cocktail lounge that opened in the Empire State Building on March 29 is brand new because it looks so right. At 3,500 square feet of brushed stainless steel, a generous curved marble bar, tufted banquettes, glass-topped tables and Art Deco chandeliers, it accommodates up to 150 people in sophisticated style in a former postal substation at street level.

And I didn't even know that postal station had closed.

NYguy Apr 1, 2010 2:00 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...ty_studen.html

Man who leaped to death from Empire State Building ID'd as Yale University student

BY Matthew Lysiak
March 31st 2010

Quote:

The Yale college student who plunged off the Empire State Building planned the desperate act in advance, cop sources said.

He apologized for turning to suicide and wrote he planned to jump from either the George Washington Bridge or the Empire State.

There were seven people on the landmark building's observation deck when Dabaghi climbed the safety barrier, police said. One person tried to talk to him down but Dabaghi would not listen, cops said.

It's still unclear how Dabaghi got past the 10-foot-high spiked fence ringing the Empire State Building's observation deck.

I didn't post the gory details from the article. Such a shame when people do this, and someone else could have been killed.

uaarkson Apr 1, 2010 4:50 AM

Such an irresponsible way to kill yourself. If you're suffering so much, end it in a place where your remains won't be visible to tourists and children...

JDRCRASH Apr 1, 2010 5:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4774667)
^^^That's tragic...I feel sorry for the poor kid.
He must have been going through some terrible times.

Unfortunately it seems like a lot are these days.

ethereal_reality Apr 2, 2010 5:06 PM

1963


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found on ebay

NYguy Apr 8, 2010 4:28 PM

Line Lyng

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NYguy Apr 13, 2010 2:27 PM

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NYguy Apr 15, 2010 1:18 AM

Jamie

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hunser Apr 15, 2010 10:59 AM

:previous: your girlfriend? ;) nice pics btw.

Viktorkrum77 Apr 15, 2010 3:42 PM

Has anyone ever taken shots from the observation deck using a tilt-shift lens? The effect would be INCREDIBLE.

Well, thinking about it, they might be better if taken from a window mid-way, a third-way up the building.

OneWorldTradeCenter May 1, 2010 1:35 PM

Happy birthday! The Empire State Building is 79 years old today!

On May 1, 1931 it has been opened!

hunser May 1, 2010 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OneWorldTradeCenter (Post 4820984)
Happy birthday! The Empire State Building is 79 years old today!

On May 1, 1931 it has been opened!

imagine that, in 2031 we will have a 100(!) year old supertall!

OneWorldTradeCenter May 1, 2010 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunser (Post 4820988)
imagine that, in 2031 we will have a 100(!) year old supertall!

We're going to have two supertalls that are 100 years old in 2031. The Empire State and the Chrysler.

It's really hard to imagine how old those two buildings are. They were already complete since a few years when World War II occured (1939-45). :banana: :banana:

Amanita May 5, 2010 7:29 PM

A somewhat belated Happy Birthday goes out to Empire State here! I can't wait to visit:)

Wheelingman04 May 7, 2010 12:57 AM

I have always loved that tower and everytime I go to NYC I just have to go to the observation deck. I might check out the Rock obser. also this time.

NYCLuver May 23, 2010 5:51 PM

The Rock observatory is amazing. I actually like it more than the Empire State Building and that is saying a lot because the Empire is my favorite building. I think it has to do with the fact that the observatory is larger on the Rock and its glass around, no metal fence, as well as you can actually see the Empire State Building!

May 22nd, 2010

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Dylan Leblanc May 26, 2010 10:51 PM

The CTBUH lists the antenna height of the ESB as 443.2 meters / 1454 feet, but I have heard that the antenna has been increased to 448.7 m / 1472 feet. This would have been done a few years ago, and I am sort of doubting that it's true. Does anyone know anything about this?

CTBUH entry - http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=buil...uilding_id=261
SSP entry - http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=23

NYCLuver May 27, 2010 8:19 PM

I think at one point it was 1,472 feet... maybe after September 11th and then I think it was reduced back to 1,454 feet once the Conde Naste antenna was installed.

Not entirely sure though. I vaguely remember the 90's for some reason though... like maybe it was 1,472 feet in the 90's, anyway I don't know, but I know at one point it was 1,472 and then reduced.

Dylan Leblanc Jun 1, 2010 6:00 PM

ok, that explains it. thanks!

OneWorldTradeCenter Jun 7, 2010 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan Leblanc (Post 4861514)
ok, that explains it. thanks!

The antenna has been changed in 1984. I am not postive that it has been increased, I guess the antenna has been decreased (I requested that at CTBUH). However, the text at the building page still says that it has been increased. That should be corrected, too.

nlosborne3795 Jul 6, 2010 5:14 PM

@OneWorldTradeCenter what do you mean the antenna's height has been changed?

OneWorldTradeCenter Jul 6, 2010 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nlosborne3795 (Post 4902173)
@OneWorldTradeCenter what do you mean the antenna's height has been changed?

At first it was 1,472 ft tall, but it has been decreased in 1984 to 1,454ft.

NYCLuver Jul 7, 2010 8:28 AM

July 2nd, 2010

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wrab Jul 10, 2010 12:51 AM

July 28, 1945 - plane crashes into side of ESB

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ate_crash2.jpg
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

wrab Jul 10, 2010 12:55 AM

Drawn digitally - and very beautiful. From Sky Captain & The World of Tomorrow:


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The real deal:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/4004598...09624/sizes/o/

wrab Jul 10, 2010 1:05 AM

1931

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ier/ESB001.jpg

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Tri...20ON%20ESB.htm


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1937

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ier/ESB002.jpg

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Tri...20ON%20ESB.htm


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1967

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ier/ESB006.jpg

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Tri...20ON%20ESB.htm

uaarkson Jul 10, 2010 1:20 AM

Does anyone else think the ESB actually looks better with the antenna?

MolsonExport Jul 10, 2010 2:52 AM

here. .

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 10, 2010 2:59 AM

oh definitely

Islander Jul 10, 2010 3:43 AM

Yeah, but they just need to get rid of all the ugly garbage hanging off the mast. Stick it on the antenna with the rest of that stuff...

NYC4Life Jul 10, 2010 7:12 PM

Agree, antenna makes the spire look complete, but at the same time is cluttered.

OneWorldTradeCenter Jul 10, 2010 7:19 PM

Yes it looks better with the antenna. But the antenna is too short in my opinion, it should be around 1,500'

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 26, 2010 1:12 AM

hey guys i need you help,i have a book titled "Empire State:a pictoral record of its construction" written in 1931 and it has drawings by Vernon Howe Bailey and written by Colonel W.A. Starrett.Printed in NY by William Edwin Rudge. i was wondering if i could get some history on the book and a possible price tag. ive searched the internet for weeks and have been able to find nothing.Thanks!



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wrab Jul 26, 2010 1:45 AM

^ Wow - that's very cool.

Looking at the title page, the book appears to be a first-edition printing; first editions are generally the more collectible and have the better resale value.

If this is a first edition (and even if it isn't), have it appraised by a dealer at one of the city's rare book stores. Off the top of my head, Argosy and Bauman - there are of course others and there may be a couple that specialize in architectural books.

Let us know what you find out!

wrab Jul 26, 2010 2:00 AM

ESB/dirigible docking sequence from the opening of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

All CGI, but seems pretty spot on. The ESB makes its big appearance at about 2:22.

(Edit: After you click play, you'll need to follow the "Watch on Youtube" link to bring up the clip.)



Video Link

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 26, 2010 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrabbit (Post 4924875)
^ Wow - that's very cool.

Looking at the title page, the book appears to be a first-edition printing; first editions are generally the most collectible and have the best resale value.

If this is a first edition (and even if it isn't), have it appraised by a dealer at one of the city's rare book stores. Off the top of my head, Argosy and Bauman - there are of course others and there may be a couple that specialize in architectural books.

Let us know what you find out!


thanks alot i will! its actually really strange on the back the copy # is missing and its a first edition and every drawing is signed on the bottom corner by the artist.the company that printed it went out of business in 1931 and only made 720 copies. but thanks again and i'll let you guys know what happens!:)

Ordo_ Jul 27, 2010 1:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Islander (Post 4907067)
Yeah, but they just need to get rid of all the ugly garbage hanging off the mast. Stick it on the antenna with the rest of that stuff...

No way. I love that stuff. :cool: It gives the building a lot of character and utilitarian charm.

wrab Jul 27, 2010 2:41 AM

^ Yeah - the stuff makes the mast more kick-ass somehow.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 27, 2010 5:36 AM

http://static.guim.co.uk/static/9235...rdian_logo.png

Quote:

Empire State Building: Can the tallest be the greenest?
$13m refit aims to cut building's energy use by 40% and save emissions equal to 20,000 cars
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Ed Pilkington in New York
guardian.co.uk, Monday 26 July 2010 21.41 BST
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All 6,514 windows in New York’s tallest building will be replaced, and tenants will be advised on how to save electricity. Photograph: Jean-Pierre Lescourret/Corbis
When the Empire State Building was opened on 1 May 1931, having been designed in two weeks and built in an astonishing 15 months, it instantly became a symbol of human fortitude in the face of the Great Depression.

Now its current owners are attempting to reinvent it for the modern era by turning it into a green building symbolising human ingenuity in the face of inertia.

Its owners today unveiled new, environmentally friendly plans for the art deco building that stands on Manhattan's 34th Street and Fifth Avenue. By the end of this year, most of the work will have been completed in a $13m (£8.4m) investment designed to improve its energy efficiency, with the larger aim of providing a model that could spread across America and around the world.

For more than four decades, the Empire State had the distinction of being the tallest building in the world, a title it lost to the World Trade Centre in 1972. After the twin towers were destroyed in the 9/11 attacks, it once again became the city's tallest building, at 1,454 ft (443 metres) to the tip of its lightning rod.

But by 2006, when it was bought by Malkin Holdings, it had fallen into disrepair, a pale reflection of its former glory. Its 102 storeys were occupied largely by small businesses paying low rents, and the overall structure had a hangdog feel.

"When we took control of it, the place needed to be fixed. It was broken," Anthony Malkin, president of Malkin Holdings, told the Guardian.

Now the company is in the midst of a $550m renovation designed to put the building back on the map, part of which is the environmental project.

"We're doing this [making the Empire State greener] not because it's the right thing to do, but because it makes business sense. If we don't reduce our energy consumption, we will lose money and be less competitive against China, India, Brazil and the other expanding economies," Malkin said.

The makeover is expected to cut the building's energy use by almost 40%, reducing bills by more than $4m and paying back the cost of the refit in three years. That's a figure that is relevant not just to the Empire State but to the whole of New York city and other large metropolises like it.

Almost 80% of New York's energy consumption is through its buildings, mainly in the larger of the leaky older structures. Though politicians have tended to focus on energy consumption by individuals and tried to persuade families to cut their energy use at home, Malkin said the renovation of the Empire State Building would achieve savings in carbon emissions on a similar scale to comparable moves by 40,000 households.

The Empire State's retrofit will cut its carbon footprint by more than 100,000 metric tonnes over the next 15 years, the equivalent of taking 20,000 cars off the road. If that record were replicated by just a fifth of the largest buildings in America, it would save 2.3bn metric tonnes of carbon emissions, equivalent to the amount of greenhouse gas pollution produced by the whole of Russia each year.

At its most simple, the retrofit involves stripping out each of the Empire State's 6,514 windows and renovating them with an insulating film and a mixture of inert gases to make them four times more efficient at retaining heat or coolness.

At the high-tech end, the largest wireless network ever to be applied to a single building has been set up across the Empire State that allows valves and vents to be monitored and centrally controlled. Four central chillers have been replaced and smart air circulation systems have also been put in as a low-energy means of heating the building in winter and cooling it in summer.

Paul Rode of Johnson Controls, an energy management company that is leading the project, said the greatest energy savings have involved persuading the 300 tenants to use their spaces more effectively. As the occupants of the second largest office complex in America, after the Pentagon, much of the onus for change falls on them.

Each company renting space in the Empire State now has access to a website that records minute by minute how much they are spending on energy and compares it with other tenants in the building as well as to competitors in their industries externally.

Having revealed to the tenants their own consumption, the website then advises them what they can do to cut their bills by making basic changes, such as moving desks towards the centre of the building to release daylight into the space, switching lights off at night, or cutting back on air conditioning.

"We're showing what's possible without even installing a single solar panel, or a wind turbine or a geothermal unit, and you don't need additional grid capacity or any new power plants," Malkin said.

"This is low-hanging fruit that can be plucked easily and we should be getting on with it as quickly as possible."

A giant's highs and lows

• Constructed during the depression in 1930, the 102-storey tower was made from 60,000 tonnes of steel, and has 6,500 windows.

• In 1945 an Army Air Corps B-25 twin-engine bomber crashed into the 79th floor of the building in dense fog, killing 14 people.

• The building's mast (now the base of the TV tower) was originally designed as a mooring mast for airships, pictured. Because of several unsuccessful attempts and volatile wind conditions at 1,350ft, the idea was abandoned.

• The Observatory on the 86th floor opened in 1931 and was immortalised in An Affair to Remember (1957) starring Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr and then as the meeting point for Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks in Sleepless in Seattle (1993)

• The building is struck by lightning about 100 times a year. It acts as a lightning rod for the surrounding area

Source: Empire State Building Company
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ng-green-refit

NYguy Jul 27, 2010 4:00 PM

Le Kim

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SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 27, 2010 4:02 PM

if there gonna remove all the windows do you think its possible for them to throw one my way if i ask for one?

NYguy Jul 28, 2010 5:59 PM

^ Who knows...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...NewsCollection

Quote:

Architect Ronnette Riley has 3,500 miniatures displayed through her office on the 74th floor of the Empire State Building. David Weingarten, a principal at ACE Architects in Oakland, Calif., uses his office to store what may be the world's largest collection—4,500 strong.

The rarity of a replica building, the quality of the reproduction and its condition are the biggest factors determining the price on eBay or in catalogs. An Empire State Building could go for between $5 and $4,000.

Mr. Gelbtuch's wife, Vicky, discovered the extent of his habit when miniatures started showing up in his home office in the 1990s, then multiplied into every available shelf space. "I started to realize these were not just a few buildings," she says. "This was a major collection!"

Now, Mr. Gelbtuch's museum holds hundreds of buildings on lighted shelves and in white display cases. A visit here is a tour through New York real-estate history. Walking around the room, Mr. Gelbtuch points out buildings that double as cigar lighters, others that serve as paperweights or ashtrays, still more with built-in inkwells and clocks.

He owns early replica skyscrapers from all over midtown Manhattan, including the 1 Times Square building, which holds the ball that drops at midnight on Jan. 1 each year. He has a 3.5 inch replica of the RCA building at Rockefeller Center (now called the GE Building) that was carved out of soap in the 1950s.

"I have a bias toward New York City," says Mr. Gelbtuch, who grew up in the Bronx. He's lending some of his buildings from the 1939 New York World's Fair to the National Building Museum in Washington this summer.

NYguy Aug 16, 2010 8:09 PM

golftango

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SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 16, 2010 8:25 PM

i asked the publics relations office for a window and they told me no because they were gonna refurbish the ones already on the ESB.....

NYguy Aug 17, 2010 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4949130)
i asked the publics relations office for a window and they told me no because they were gonna refurbish the ones already on the ESB.....

Well, there are ways...if the money is just right....:hmmm:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 17, 2010 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4949983)
Well, there are ways...if the money is just right....:hmmm:

hmmm 1000$-3000$ sound good?;) http://images5b.snapfish.com/2323232...47334%3Bnu0mrj
last week

The North One Aug 17, 2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uaarkson (Post 4906949)
Does anyone else think the ESB actually looks better with the antenna?

I do think it looks better with the antenna but I think they should clean it up a bit and make the antenna look a little cleaner like trump towers antenna because right now it looks like a hot mess up there and it's kind of an eye sour .

winlinmac001 Aug 23, 2010 5:04 AM

I think that would interfere with the broadcasting signal from several media outlets. Guess cleaners would have to wait till 1 WTC is complete. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by The North One (Post 4950793)
I do think it looks better with the antenna but I think they should clean it up a bit and make the antenna look a little cleaner like trump towers antenna because right now it looks like a hot mess up there and it's kind of an eye sour .



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