SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)
-   Found City Photos (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23)
-   -   noirish Los Angeles (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170279)

Mstimc Nov 25, 2020 11:11 AM

Deleted

Mstimc Nov 25, 2020 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9115905)
.
Here's an interesting rppc. (real photo postcard)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/60nObM.jpg
ebay






Let's take a closer look at the photograph on the left.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/9n2TG9.jpg
detail

Note the two workers.

Is that a ghost sign on the building next door?


Speaking as a former Public Works manager, that piece of equipment looks dangerously off-balance, especially in the long boom configuration. I don't see any outrigger stabilizers or counterweights. With a full bucket, I can see it tipping over quite easily. :runaway:

unihikid Nov 25, 2020 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9114915)
.
Thanks for sharing the photographs of your beautiful family, unihikid.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/qoaUXp.jpg
unihikid

I'm curious. .did you ever have a chance to ask your dad what song he is performing for your aunts?


Was the family Collie really named Lassie? . . or are you joshing us. :)


.

ER, i was a very inquisitive kid so i asked the same questions lol. From what i remember him telling me, it was either "All of a Sudden My Heart Sings" or "Joy to the World". When i was eight "The New Adventures of Lassie" came out (or some title like that) and i asked him if we could get a dog like that , and he proudly said "I've had several lassies, just like the Show", then pulled out several pictures of her ....we got a black lab instead (Ricky Ricardo Sheen). So yes the Sheen kids had a few collies named Lassie.

unihikid Nov 25, 2020 3:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9115764)
.
Isn't anyone else interested why "Uncle tony" got cut out of the photograph?



I've seen people do this in movies or TV shows; characters cutting out people in photographs for one reason or another, but I've never known it to be done in actual practice!

Lol well Aunt Carol who is the baby in the "dad singing" picture was the youngest of the family and had access to these pictures before me. I'm sure it was a paste-on-your-locker-scrap-book type of thing, since my uncle was in the Navy. He never got to see any action, but he did craft his piano skills. Just so he's not cut out from you guys, Uncle Tony is the tall one.

[url=https://postimg.cc/Ff7Y0Dbm]https://i.postimg.cc/KY5tSWRK/082.jpg
im not perfect poem[/IMG]

unihikid Nov 25, 2020 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9113798)
Couldn't resist finding the house-- 2642 Kenwood, built in 1907. At one time the home of real estate man Roy C. Seeley and in 1948 the home of Dr. Herbert A. Sheen. A few recent GSVs:

Feb 2020
https://i.postimg.cc/CK5gL445/kenwoodnewer-bmp.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/HLkp8mTp/kenwoodnewer2-bmp.jpg


March 2009
https://i.postimg.cc/sDzCZzJt/kenwoodolder-bmp.jpg

GW since you always do your best to describe and or show the interiors of the great homes of LA (i re-read Berkley Square all the time, Dad had vivid memories and would always try to describe it for me), here are a few color shots.

https://i.postimg.cc/6pbFtMgQ/074.jpgiveta vodakova
Aunt Mildred and my cousin Trena in the backroom of Kenwood 1958

https://i.postimg.cc/cCKrk9p8/078.jpg
Granny in the same location around the same time?

https://i.postimg.cc/sxB4PJKT/075.jpg
Granny and Dad (dad did the damage...it was the day he was told he was going to boarding school. St Francis) in Livingroom at Kenwood June 1955

Alright i'm done for now. But thank you again GW!

JimCraig Nov 25, 2020 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9116567)
GW since you always do your best to describe and or show the interiors of the great homes of LA (i re-read Berkley Square all the time, Dad had vivid memories and would always try to describe it for me), here are a few color shots.

https://i.postimg.cc/6pbFtMgQ/074.jpgiveta vodakova
Aunt Mildred and my cousin Trena in the backroom of Kenwood 1958

https://i.postimg.cc/cCKrk9p8/078.jpg
Granny in the same location around the same time?

https://i.postimg.cc/sxB4PJKT/075.jpg
Granny and Dad (dad did the damage...it was the day he was told he was going to boarding school. St Francis) in Livingroom at Kenwood June 1955

Alright i'm done for now. But thank you again GW!

Don't stop - love your photos! You are very lucky to have them and we appreciate your sharing!

odinthor Nov 25, 2020 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9113629)
Was she also Mrs. Olson, the Folger's coffee lady? And was she the housekeeper in the house atop Mt. Rushmore, who pulls a gun on Thornhill (Cary Grant) in NBNW?

The Folger's lady was Virginia Christine (who was Mrs. Fritz Feld).

The North By Northwest lady was Nora Marlowe (who was married to James McCallion, an unfamiliar name, but he also was on numerous TV series episodes).

It's interesting to look over the many single-episode credits these actresses had in TV series of the 1950-1970s! Westerns, Sci-Fi, Comedy, etc. etc. I began to list them to include here, but there are so very very many...

Martin Pal Nov 25, 2020 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9116596)
Don't stop - love your photos! You are very lucky to have them and we appreciate your sharing!
_________________________________________________________________



I agree, JimCraig!

Thank you unihikid and for the added Lassie and "Uncle Tony" info! :cheers:

unihikid Nov 25, 2020 7:58 PM

Granny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9116667)
I agree, JimCraig!

Thank you unihikid and for the added Lassie and "Uncle Tony" info! :cheers:

Thanks Martin and Jim. I was lucky enough to know all the folks in the pictures except my grandfather. He was first married to Zora Neal Hurston who he went to Howard University with. Granny was a rebound and the marriage wasn't a happy one(divorced in 1955). The kids we're spoiled to say the least and Granny had to work overtime at Bullocks DT just in case the kids brought over someone for Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner. Here are some around the house pics.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxB4PJKT/075.jpg
Aunt Carol, Aunt Eugenia, Granny getting ready for a party in yard.

https://i.postimg.cc/3JpLx6FL/054.jpg
Aunt Delores on the right at her Grad Party in the driveway, +Woody

https://i.postimg.cc/K8BCCjW8/055.jpg
Beauty Party 1953 Dad in center, Aunt Eugenia on right

And in front of Kenwood with Papa's new Caddy w/Lassie
https://i.postimg.cc/RVXjB2Sj/048.jpg
Dad, Aunt Mildred, and Aunt Carol in the back window

https://i.postimg.cc/3N7JPz8k/049.jpg

and an unknown location.
https://i.postimg.cc/tJ2ZD93q/052.jpg
Dad, Aunt Delores, Mills Girl (her brother is Judge Billy Mills), Aunt Mildred and James Richards (Uncle's we're founders of the vocal group The Robin's and he later married my Aunt Mildred)

GaylordWilshire Nov 25, 2020 8:34 PM

:previous:

Great pictures, unihikid! And I love that Cadillac. Btw I've gone way beyond Berkeley Square...now working on my 220th Adams Boulevard house history (see this and this). I've done a few at the Adams end of your Kenwood block and have more in the hopper.

unihikid Nov 25, 2020 9:14 PM

My Grandmother worked at Bullocks Downtown, sometime in 1957 she started working for the Candy Family. The first house she worked at for the Candy's was located on San Vincente in Santa Monica/Brentwood area. She also help keep the Apartment the Candy's had on Wilshire near the LA Country Club. The last location of the Candy's was in Malibu. Walter Candy (Mr. Candy) was the President of the I-Magnin/Bullocks chain. He married Kate Winnett, who's father P.G. was co-founder of Bullock's.

As a kid i always wondered why our luggage had the initials KWC, i was told it was Granny's Luggage which just got me even more confused. Well it seems when the Candy's passed away in the mid 70's, Granny was responsible for the estate as the Candy's didn't have kids. We still have the full set of Mrs. Candy Louis Vuitton Luggage (and one Hartman piece belonging to Mr. Candy) that was purchased at Bullock's Wilshire.. and i do travel with it.

https://i.postimg.cc/RZ9fmbFx/032.jpg
Candy's Butler and Granny at Malibu Estate

[IMG][url=https://postimages.org/]https://i.postimg.cc/kGR1qT7K/034.jpg[/IMG]

Aunt Delores doing her Nurse Training at the Candy's
https://i.postimg.cc/X7HfQf30/028.jpg

Mrs. Candy liked to drink and Granny became more of a paid friend (think Driving Mrs. Daisy)/ caregiver. She tried to get Mrs. Candy to move to the Duplex on Spaulding (only 5 miles away from Bullocks Wilshire) but the permit didn't go through.

https://i.postimg.cc/d0TgqQnL/045.jpg
Mr. and Mrs. Candy Malibu

Mrs. Candy
https://i.postimg.cc/dtk2N70k/035.jpg

Granny working
https://i.postimg.cc/6Q3nRTFp/037.jpgimage uploading

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZQbF9Qq/036.jpg

and last because i mentioned him earlier, P.G. Winnett.
https://i.postimg.cc/k5cYMVKM/046.jpg
Malibu 1964

CityBoyDoug Nov 25, 2020 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9114915)
.
Thanks for sharing the photographs of your beautiful family, unihikid.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/qoaUXp.jpg
unihikid

I'm curious. .did you ever have a chance to ask your dad what song he is performing for your aunts?


Was the family Collie really named Lassie? . . or are you joshing us. :)


.


All of the Lassie collie dogs in the TV series were actually male. Here's why.

Because female collies tend to "blow coat" (go through a massive hormone-induced shedding process) with each fertility cycle. While males blow coat as well in reaction to a change in season, it is much less noticeable than what occurs with an intact female.


https://i.pinimg.com/564x/82/fd/84/8...2ee18020c1.jpg
1955 - CBS


One Fall day I riding my bike backstage at a local LA parade, when I suddenly came face to face with Tommy Rettig [above w/Lassie boy], much to my surprise, as I had no idea he was there.

Tommy Rettig quote. ''When I found out it was my last season [1957] on "Lassie" I was ecstatic. I had gotten to the point where I really resented not being able to go out except on Saturday nights. Of course, when I did date girls their parents always trusted me because of my goody-goody TV image. The fools!''

His small size, 5'4'', made adult movie roles almost impossible to obtain. He was a brilliant computer software programmer and wrote several books on the topic.

JimCraig Nov 26, 2020 3:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9116805)
Thanks Martin and Jim. I was lucky enough to know all the folks in the pictures except my grandfather. He was first married to Zora Neal Hurston who he went to Howard University with. Granny was a rebound and the marriage wasn't a happy one(divorced in 1955). The kids we're spoiled to say the least and Granny had to work overtime at Bullocks DT just in case the kids brought over someone for Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner. Here are some around the house pics.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxB4PJKT/075.jpg
Aunt Carol, Aunt Eugenia, Granny getting ready for a party in yard.

https://i.postimg.cc/3JpLx6FL/054.jpg
Aunt Delores on the right at her Grad Party in the driveway, +Woody

https://i.postimg.cc/K8BCCjW8/055.jpg
Beauty Party 1953 Dad in center, Aunt Eugenia on right

And in front of Kenwood with Papa's new Caddy w/Lassie
https://i.postimg.cc/RVXjB2Sj/048.jpg
Dad, Aunt Mildred, and Aunt Carol in the back window

https://i.postimg.cc/3N7JPz8k/049.jpg

and an unknown location.
https://i.postimg.cc/tJ2ZD93q/052.jpg
Dad, Aunt Delores, Mills Girl (her brother is Judge Billy Mills), Aunt Mildred and James Richards (Uncle's we're founders of the vocal group The Robin's and he later married my Aunt Mildred)

Who was the camera bug in the family who took all these wonderful pictures?

CaliNative Nov 26, 2020 6:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9116627)
The Folger's lady was Virginia Christine (who was Mrs. Fritz Feld).

The North By Northwest lady was Nora Marlowe (who was married to James McCallion, an unfamiliar name, but he also was on numerous TV series episodes).

It's interesting to look over the many single-episode credits these actresses had in TV series of the 1950-1970s! Westerns, Sci-Fi, Comedy, etc. etc. I began to list them to include here, but there are so very very many...

Thanks. We see and recognize these character actors, but don't know much about them, even their names. They are the forgotten workhorses of Hollywood.

CaliNative Nov 26, 2020 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9117009)
All of the Lassie collie dogs in the TV series were actually male. Here's why.

Because female collies tend to "blow coat" (go through a massive hormone-induced shedding process) with each fertility cycle. While males blow coat as well in reaction to a change in season, it is much less noticeable than what occurs with an intact female.


https://i.pinimg.com/564x/82/fd/84/8...2ee18020c1.jpg
1955 - CBS


One Fall day I riding my bike backstage at a local LA parade, when I suddenly came face to face with Tommy Rettig [above w/Lassie boy], much to my surprise, as I had no idea he was there.

Tommy Rettig quote. ''When I found out it was my last season [1957] on "Lassie" I was ecstatic. I had gotten to the point where I really resented not being able to go out except on Saturday nights. Of course, when I did date girls their parents always trusted me because of my goody-goody TV image. The fools!''

His small size, 5'4'', made adult movie roles almost impossible to obtain. He was a brilliant computer software programmer and wrote several books on the topic.

I thought they used males because the females were unmanageable when they went into heat, or maybe because the males were easier to train. "Blowing coat"...interesting, never knew that. I googled it and it is true. We learn things from you City Boy. I had forgotten about how rabbit meat used to be common in stores before the 1970s until you reminded us a while back.Then it went away. Where did all the rabbit eaters go? Rabbit is good for you, low fat, and quite tasty.

Didn't the woman who played "Phyllis" in the Mary Tyler Moore show (Cloris Leachman) play his (Rettig's) mom in "Lassie"? The 1960s Lassie mom was June Lockhart. I recall that Rettig also played a role in a film with Robert Mitchum & Marilyn Monroe called "The River of No Return" or something similar. He played Mitchum's son and Marilyn was a showgirl. All 3 went down the Snake River on a raft and all 3 hit it off. The Lassie boy got to meet Marilyn! Love to hear Rettig tell Marilyn stories and Mitchum stories. Bet he has a lot of stories. Marilyn Mitchum...that would have been a power couple. But Mitch probably didn't want to p.o. Joe D.

Noirishers have a Happy T'giving.

Martin Pal Nov 26, 2020 8:10 PM

.
.
Happy Thanksgiving!


1904
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...ver_grande.jpghttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...e75_grande.jpg


November, 1921
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...5032-cover.jpg


November, 1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2015-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2013-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2011-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2014-cover.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04206-01.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...b/24328-01.jpg


1927
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...4326-cover.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...is-Rome_Ad.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/24457.jpg


1938
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/14286.jpg


1949
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...1089-front.jpghttps://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...089-inside.jpg


1995
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04439-01.jpg


LAPL Menu Collection Link: HERE

ethereal_reality Nov 27, 2020 4:58 PM

Cool menus, Martin. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone as well. :)





Have any of you noirisher heard of the Sweet and Lowe Convalescent Home?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/reKICH.jpg
eBay


The name "Sweet and Lowe" doesn't ring any bells....It's unique enough I think I would have remembered it.

There is something written in white at the very bottom of the photograph. (no doubt from the negative)




Here is the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rIxooe.jpg

April 20, 1912

The writer's house is being moved.... There was alot of house moving going on in Los Angeles back in the day.



.

ethereal_reality Nov 27, 2020 5:45 PM

.
mystery location


This amazing rppc of an apartment building in Los Angeles was just listed on eBay.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/sXESO1.jpg
eBay






Here is the reverse. (postmark 1915)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/zl0MzN.jpg


I believe the long, underlined word at the bottom, on the right side, might be the name of the apt. building.





I was curious about what was going on streetside.

Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Jn88Be.png
detail

hmm. . .I guess the diagonal board has nothing to do with the pipes on the ground. The little bridge made me think of the zanjas that used to supply water.
My guess is; they're planning on burying the pipes to replace the 'open air' zanja.


Or maybe that isn't a zanja at all. . .it might just be a slight ditch. :shrug:


And. . .hmm. . .the diagonal board, that appears to be attached to a wire, is stabilizing the tree. (?)



.

unihikid Nov 27, 2020 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9117164)
Who was the camera bug in the family who took all these wonderful pictures?

I'm thinking my grandfather (Papa aka Dr. Herbert Sheen). I found most of these photos at my grandmother's property and since she really didn't throw anything away, and i didn't find any cameras, it just leads me to believe it was Papa (he's also noticeably absent in most photos).

Lwize Nov 28, 2020 1:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118531)
hmm. . .I guess the diagonal board has nothing to do with the pipes on the ground. The little bridge made me think of the zanjas that used to supply water.
My guess is; they're planning on burying the pipes to replace the 'open air' zanja.

Or maybe that isn't a zanja at all. . .it might just be a slight ditch. :shrug:

All this zanja talk reminds me of the oddly crooked Zanja Street in Mar Vista that comes off of west Washington Blvd.
The street is old - it's on pre-1900 maps of the area.
Maybe Zanja and Washington Blvd were open trenches in the 19th Century??

https://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/zanja.jpg
Google Maps - hosted by me

JimCraig Nov 28, 2020 4:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9118596)
I'm thinking my grandfather (Papa aka Dr. Herbert Sheen). I found most of these photos at my grandmother's property and since she really didn't throw anything away, and i didn't find any cameras, it just leads me to believe it was Papa (he's also noticeably absent in most photos).

Well, he left you a wonderful record of family "goings-on' and we are very grateful you shared them with us.

I Googled your grandfather and read about the Sheenway Schools. I am in Chicago and had never heard of them. A fantastic concept and sorely needed today.

You certainly have an interesting family!

Noir_Noir Nov 28, 2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118531)
.
mystery location


This amazing rppc of an apartment building in Los Angeles was just listed on eBay.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/sXESO1.jpg
eBay



The card has the sender's address as 2923 S Hope.

https://i.imgur.com/LXY8xJy.jpg


The Hope Apartments -

https://i.imgur.com/IF5DxJl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 22 November 1913


Built in 1906 and demolished circa 1974.

HossC Nov 28, 2020 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118531)

Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Jn88Be.png
detail

hmm. . .I guess the diagonal board has nothing to do with the pipes on the ground.

...

And. . .hmm. . .the diagonal board, that appears to be attached to a wire, is stabilizing the tree. (?)

The wire continues to the top-right corner of the detail view, so I'm guessing that it tethered a utility pole. I'm sure that the board was just there to stop people walking into the wire, or at least reduce the impact. Nowadays they just put plastic or metal tubes around the base of the wires up to a height of about seven feet.

GaylordWilshire Nov 28, 2020 2:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118483)

Have any of you noirisher heard of the Sweet and Lowe Convalescent Home?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/reKICH.jpg
eBay


The name "Sweet and Lowe" doesn't ring any bells....It's unique enough I think I would have remembered it.

There is something written in white at the very bottom of the photograph. (no doubt from the negative)

Here is the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rIxooe.jpg

April 20, 1912

The writer's house is being moved.... There was alot of house moving going on in Los Angeles back in the day.

.


Henriette Sweet and Jennie Lowe were partners in the sanitarium--it only opened in 1910, so didn't last long. Looks like they went their separate ways after the building was sold? and moved. Sweet was next listed at 1805 W 5th St, but if the building was moved there, it's gone. On a quick look couldn't find any BPs to trace its movement.

"Prince" John Edward R. de Guelph, who imagined himself the rightful heir to the British throne, lived there once. Thought we'd seen him on NLA before, but couldn't dig him up.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpMd0xRy/sweet1-bmp.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/qvdVyZT1/guelph1-bmp.jpg
Herald Jan 29, 1911 and July 28, 1911

unihikid Nov 28, 2020 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9119075)
Well, he left you a wonderful record of family "goings-on' and we are very grateful you shared them with us.

I Googled your grandfather and read about the Sheenway Schools. I am in Chicago and had never heard of them. A fantastic concept and sorely needed today.

You certainly have an interesting family!

Thank you Jim, i'm glad to share them! He really wanted Sheenway to be successful, and it lasted out here in LA till 2010 or so. The local school district took over the charter and tore down the buildings, and built a new facility that better serves the community. For years there was a mural of him along with all that helped with the schools history. When they built the new facility, they installed a new one with several of my relatives..it's sometimes weird being stuck on the 110 freeway and seeing your Grandfather and Aunt on the side of a building:haha:

When my Grandfather passed (1976ish) my Aunt Delores kept the school alive. She is still active in the community, and like all Sheen's had an entertaining bug in her. Her son, Erin Blunt was in the original "Bad News Bears" and a host of other things. She has been in "Friday After Next", and more recently a Subaru commercial where we think she's a little girl but in the end, she turns into a Grandmother who "Loves spending time with the Grandkids". She also was a founding member of the vocal group "A Taste of Honey", she dropped out to pursue a nursing degree(see Candy pics).

Martin Pal Nov 28, 2020 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 9118988)
Maybe Zanja and Washington Blvd were open trenches in the 19th Century??

https://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/zanja.jpg
Google Maps - hosted by me
_________________________________________________________________


Some interesting business names on this map:

The Corner Door
Hatchet Hall (This place looks new and upscale, but the name is off-putting to me for a restaurant.)
Paco's Tacos
Alibi Room (That sounds familiar, that may have been discussed here previously.)

CindyNunn11 Nov 29, 2020 5:52 AM

Hello. I am the author of the book about Randsburg, as well as the in-depth research about Emilie Brickett/French Marguerite. I was fully aware that Marguerite had visited Los Angeles. Evidence pointed to her being released from the asylum between late 1900 to 1902, whereupon she headed for Randsburg where her favorite sister lived. I have secured actual documents showing that she did indeed leave the asylum. Also, as I had already guessed, the reason given in the news was that she had epilepsy was a ruse. She was committed for other reasons. I have been in contact with a number of Emily/Marguerite's living relatives, as well as step-family members of Marguerite's son, August Roberts/Jarick. all who emailed or phoned me, confirming my evidence as true. They have also given me a copy of the only known photo of Emily/Marguerite. Due to the real reasons behind her committal, I have promised that I would not release that information publicly. I also have a certified copy of Emily/Marguerite's death certificate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7950889)
re: I now have three different locations for the Atlas Hotel.

1920
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/J0cXr5.jpg
lapl

1932
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/SZzXPD.jpg (as seen down the street in Hoss' photograph
lapl

and the 124 1/2 N. Spring Street address in the article below.

But this post is more about Mrs. Roberts, the woman the W.C.T.U. ran out of town on a rail. (article above)

Remember, at the time, Mrs. Roberts was in Los Angeles trying to lure girls to Randsburg Calif to work at her 'dance' hall.

"Mrs. Roberts operated her establishment under the name of “My Place Dance Hall,” sometimes known as “The Oasis,”
and right next door was her saloon. I’m sure it is fairly easy for you to figure out that Marguerite was a madam
who ran this as a “bawdy house,” which caused much consternation among the more “decent” town folk."
from CindyN11



Marguerite's dance hall still stands.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/UYGDM1.jpggsv

"The Randsburg Inn, formerly the Commercial Hotel, and at one time the My Place Dance Hall."








during my search I came upon Mrs. Roberts' tombstone in the Rand District Cemetery. (I wasn't expecting this)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/SWpYyx.jpg
explore forums

Surprisingly, she died less than three years after her procuring trip to L.A.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/zMCZ3p.jpg


But was 'Marguerite' really French?

"The majority of “soiled doves” lied, fabricated and twisted the truth about who they were and where they came from.
They rarely used their real names and often were just known by nicknames. During this era the crème de la crème
of the dance halls, bawdy & parlour houses and brothels were French women, most likely due to the popularity of erotic French Postcards.
French “sporting women” commanded a higher price for their services, so, as a consequence, many a home-grown American floozy
moved to new pastures, recreated themselves and became a ‘French’ courtesan."

CindyN11

Cindy at explore forums believes 'Marguerite' Roberts was actually Emily Brickett of San Bernardino....not from France as stated in her obituary.
(in 1892 she became Emily Jarrick after marrying August H. Jarrick in San Bernardino)

But in my opinion, Cindy's theory has a slight problem. Emily Jarrick was committed to an asylum by her husband in 1900.
Yet the newspaper article I found (while looking for the Atlas Hotel) has 'Marguerite' Roberts in Los Angeles in 1904.
So I'm not entirely convinced Marguerite Roberts and Emily Jarrick are the same person.
(of course she could have been released from the asylum by 1904, but still :shrug:)


If interested, you can read all of Cindy's research here: Explore Forum

(as far I can tell, she is unaware of Mrs. Roberts' trip to L.A. in 1904)



__


ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2020 12:49 AM

:previous:

Thanks for the additional information CindyNunn11. ...I really appreciate it. :)

ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2020 1:10 AM

.
Here's an interesting rppc currently on eBay

"Los Angeles CA Southern Counties Gas Co Wagon c1910 RPPC"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/JscrOH.jpg
eBay





. . . and here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/vEQcIT.jpg






Here's a closer look at the three men and the wagon. (sorry, horse)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/acfHlz.jpg
detail

That look like a camera in the wagon.



.

Snix Nov 30, 2020 1:38 AM

Meanwhile, around the corner at Lemon Grove and Serrano... The Lemon Grove Kids.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a6b6d223_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkc7vzF6X14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9112289)
.
mystery snapshot.

"MAGIC MIRROR in DOOR w REFLECTION TRIPOD CAMERA MAN & BOYS ~ 1960s VINTAGE PHOTO"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/buCH9Z.jpg
eBay

I faintly recall the exterior of this unique photography studio but the name Lemon Grove Studio doesn't ring a bell for me. . .
. .but if I were to make a guess I'd say this studio is somewhere along Sunset Blvd.





Here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/NVVsl4.jpg
not much help clue wise







Here's a closer look at the man and boys.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8zRVDe.jpg

I wonder if the man with the tripod works at Lemon Grove Studio?








.


GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2020 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9116805)
Thanks Martin and Jim. I was lucky enough to know all the folks in the pictures except my grandfather. He was first married to Zora Neal Hurston who he went to Howard University with. Granny was a rebound and the marriage wasn't a happy one(divorced in 1955). The kids we're spoiled to say the least and Granny had to work overtime at Bullocks DT just in case the kids brought over someone for Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner. Here are some around the house pics.


unihikid--I was struck by this detail in your grandfather's bio and have been wondering about ZNH and her connection to Hollywood. I looked for a pic of her in LA--found nothing really, but there's a good bit online about her filmmaking days. Apparently she also worked as a script consultant for Paramount for a short time ca 1941. Wonder if Dr. Sheen saw anything of her then, if he was in Calif by that time?


https://i.postimg.cc/GpzCLcQ8/zora-bmp.jpg

Martin Pal Nov 30, 2020 9:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9120137)
Meanwhile, around the corner at Lemon Grove and Serrano... The Lemon Grove Kids.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a6b6d223_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkc7vzF6X14


That young girl above is pretty well endowed for a kid, heh! I clicked the link and was assuming this was animated from the photo, but it's just the credits. It's three short films resembling the The East Side Kids, especially Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall. The first is copyrighted 1967, and the other two 1969. Interesting to say the least!

unihikid Dec 1, 2020 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9120316)
unihikid--I was struck by this detail in your grandfather's bio and have been wondering about ZNH and her connection to Hollywood. I looked for a pic of her in LA--found nothing really, but there's a good bit online about her filmmaking days. Apparently she also worked as a script consultant for Paramount for a short time ca 1941. Wonder if Dr. Sheen saw anything of her then, if he was in Calif by that time?


https://i.postimg.cc/GpzCLcQ8/zora-bmp.jpg

Thanks GW, i didn't know she spent time out here during the 40's. Papa moved the family from Tyler Texas in the spring of 1945 (we have a picture of the 38 Oldsmobile pulling an airsteam type trailer), so i don't think he made it in time for her. To be honest, we didn't find out about the marriage until the early 90's. The LA Times ran an article about her and dad called Aunt Delores, who was closer to Papa to ask about it, and even she didn't know.

We later found a few correspondences, that we gave to i believe Florida State University. It was right around the time of the divorce, so 55-56. She was going through a hard time, and i think he was sending her money from time to time. Since it was connected to the divorce, none of the kids wanted the reminder, and felt they belonged to FSU (I could of used them on a great show and tell project during my 11th grade year). From what everyone has said, she was the one that got away. We also found out that she kept in touch with Papa's relatives (The Chicago Sheen's) who i have yet to meet.

Murphy de la Sucre Dec 1, 2020 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9117776)
.
.
Happy Thanksgiving!


1904
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...ver_grande.jpghttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...e75_grande.jpg


November, 1921
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...5032-cover.jpg


November, 1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2015-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2013-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2011-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2014-cover.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04206-01.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...b/24328-01.jpg


1927
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...4326-cover.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...is-Rome_Ad.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/24457.jpg


1938
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/14286.jpg


1949
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...1089-front.jpghttps://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...089-inside.jpg


1995
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04439-01.jpg


LAPL Menu Collection Link: HERE

I adore the full dinner prices back then, 2-3 dollars per person? Put it in year of 2020 for at least 20-30 dollars per person.

CaliNative Dec 1, 2020 5:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9117776)

^^^
The two 1926 menus above say beer is served. Is this near beer (legal) or are they in violation of the Volstead Act?

CaliNative Dec 1, 2020 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphy de la Sucre (Post 9121136)
I adore the full dinner prices back then, 2-3 dollars per person? Put it in year of 2020 for at least 20-30 dollars per person.

My grandfather told me that prior 1920, for the price of a glass of beer (sometimes only a nickle) many bars and restaurants served free platters of meats, cheeses and breads and you could eat unlimited quantities. Sort of like our "happy hour", but better. I can't vouch for the quality of the meat and cheese, but it satisfied Gramps.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:14 AM

.
The Colegrove 'Arch'


"Antique c1915 Original Cabinet Photograph Original Colegrove Los Angeles Hollywood CA Home Bush Arch"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rDSi8F.jpg
eBay







For newbies / and as a reminder - Colegrove was just south of Hollywood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/A7d8A2.jpg
kcet





Photographer stamp on reverse side offers photographer and location and reads H.G. Bliss, Phone Holly 755, Colegrove, Cal.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/NsScMf.jpg
detail



I looked through numerous Los Angeles Directories but never found a H. J. Bliss.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/s3a9ZO.jpg



.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:25 AM

.
I don't believe we have seen this early illustration of Old Chinatown. (1885)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cyReog.jpg
wikiwand

At first I thought the overhang was sagging - but now I think it was built that way. (as an Asian flourish)



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/3hJJiX.jpg

What was Archduke Ludwig Salvator of Austria doing in Los Angeles?



.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:39 AM

SOLVED

mystery location

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/O7NeHH.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9119175)

The Hope Apartments -

https://i.imgur.com/IF5DxJl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 22 November 1913


Built in 1906 and demolished circa 1974.

Thanks Noir Noir. I overlooked the written address. :duh








SOLVED

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/reKICH.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9119194)

Henriette Sweet and Jennie Lowe were partners in the sanitarium--it only opened in 1910, so didn't last long. Looks like they went their separate ways after the building was sold?
and moved. Sweet was next listed at 1805 W 5th St, but if the building was moved there, it's gone. On a quick look couldn't find any BPs to trace its movement.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpMd0xRy/sweet1-bmp.jpg
Herald Jan 29, 1911 and July 28, 1911


Good sleuthing, GW. I appreciate it. :)



.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:56 AM

.

Babe Ruth arrives on the Los Angeles Limited and is welcomed by the Wampus Baby Stars of 1927.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vpBBUv.jpg
eBay (from quite some time ago / perhaps a year)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7Brc0I.jpg






Go Here to see the baby stars touching Ruth's Big Bat.
.

Noir_Noir Dec 1, 2020 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9121372)

I looked through numerous Los Angeles Directories but never found a H. J. Bliss.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/s3a9ZO.jpg


.


https://i.imgur.com/x5qR1rS.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org



Two excerpts from a Los Angeles Herald (5 November 1908) story.


RUSHES INTO BLAZING BARN, SAVES CHILD

"Manza Daniels, a mail carrier of Hollywood became the hero of a thrilling rescue of a child from an awful death by fire. Vernon Bliss, the beautiful 3-year-old son of H. G. Bliss, a photographer, narrowly escaped the terrible fate of being burned alive in a fire that the child had set and which consumed his father's barn and photographic studio at the rear of the residence at 747 El Centro Street. Colegrove, despite the fact that the Hollywood fire department quickly responded to the alarm. Daniels had been calling on some friends in the vicinity of the Bliss home and was passing the place when his attention was attracted by the voice of a child singing to the accompaniment of crackling flames. The man entered the yard, and as he turned the corner of the house he was transfixed with horror to see the child sitting with his little bare feet swinging out of the upper window of the hayloft and the red tongues of flames reaching up toward him from the lower part of the building."


"A look at the child showed he was severely burned about the face, but Daniels' face and hands scarcely bore a mark, owing to his presence of mind in covering himself with his coat. The child also suffered from having inhaled smoke. Fire was carried by the wind to outbuildings In the vicinity and considerable damage resulted before it was extinguished. The Bliss child had been left in the care of his elder brother while the other members of the family were away from home. In some way the little one had obtained some matches and set fire to the building as a method of diversion during his loneliness. After he had the blaze comfortably under way, he decided it would be fun to ascend to the loft and there enjoy the bonfire he had started. So well pleased was Vernon with his idea and the progress of the blaze that he burst into the song which attracted the attention off the rescuer. The loss to the building and photographic material is estimated by Mr. Bliss at $400. He loses two valuable cameras, a large number of highly prized negatives and considerable photographic supplies. Vernon has decided that bonfires are no good and declares he will eschew such frivolities In the future. Mr. Daniels modestly denies any heroism and says he is not a candidate for a Carnegie medal for bravery."

cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 5 November 1908

odinthor Dec 1, 2020 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9121373)
.
I don't believe we have seen this early illustration of Old Chinatown. (1885)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cyReog.jpg
wikiwand

At first I thought the overhang was sagging - but now I think it was built that way. (as an Asian flourish)



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/3hJJiX.jpg

What was Archduke Ludwig Salvator of Austria doing in Los Angeles?



.

e_r, the Archduke spent the winter of 1876 in the Los Angeles area, and in 1878 published a book, in German, with a few illustrations, on his visit. This book was translated into English and published in 1929 (and I myself have a copy . . . somewhere in my archives).

https://i.postimg.cc/2jWG7kB2/Archduke1.jpg
image from https://www.walkaboutbooks.net/pages...he-golden-land

More on the interesting and foreseeing Archduke at Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...tor_of_Austria

John Maddox Roberts Dec 1, 2020 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9121378)
.

Babe Ruth arrives on the Los Angeles Limited and is welcomed by the Wampus Baby Stars of 1927.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vpBBUv.jpg
eBay (from quite some time ago / perhaps a year)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7Brc0I.jpg






Go Here to see the baby stars touching Ruth's Big Bat.
.

My God, Sally Rand! I actually met Sally Rand in Kansas City in 1976. Living history and she still had a knockout pair of legs.

Martin Pal Dec 1, 2020 6:30 PM

:previous:

I see you noticed Sally Rand, too, JMR. I'll delete the photo from my post since it's right there above!
___

I don't think I knew Sally Rand was a WBS. She certainly has eyes for the Babe. I always heard Babe nicknamed The Sultan of Swat, instead of The King of Swat. Of course, he was so popular he had many nicknames: Babe, The Colossus of Clout, The Sultan of Swat, The Big Bam, The Behemoth of Bust, Jedge, The Caliph of Clout, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Blunderbuss, The Mammoth of Maul, The Mauling Mastodon, The Mauling Monarch, The Wali of Wallop, The Prince of Powders, The King of Crash, The King of Clout, The Colossus of Crash, The King of Swing, The Terrible Titan, The Kid (or King) of Crash and, of course, The Great Bambino. (From: Babe Ruth Nicknames and The Story Behind Them)

https://lostmediawiki.com/images/b/b...Lobby_Card.jpgLMW

This is considered a lost film. It was released the day after Charles Lindbergh made his historic flight and landed in Paris, May 21, 1927.

Ballpark scenes in the movie were filmed at Los Angeles' Wrigley Field.

Speaking of Wrigley Field, recently I saw AMPAS's Hollywood Home Movies (online version for this year; premiered 11/20). They have done other Hollywood Home Movies programs in person at their theatre before. This new one has color scenes of Satchel Paige pitching in an exhibition game at Wrigley Field in November of 1948. (He had been part of the 1948 Cleveland Indians World Series winning team and is wearing his Indians uniform in this game.) It's noted this may be the only known footage of him pitching in a game. There are nice shots of the field and people in the stadium, including Louis B. Mayer and other M-G-M people. The footage was shot by Richard Brooks and they may have been there because they were doing a baseball themed film at the time.

This WRIGLEY FIELD sequence is at approximately 32:47. If one is interested there is MUCH to enjoy in the entire presentation. (Among other things, there's footage of stars at play in Catalina, behind the scenes footage of a film, set in winter, being shot at the Greystone Mansion and a backyard party at Dolores Del Rio's place.)

Video Link

JimCraig Dec 2, 2020 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 9121729)
My God, Sally Rand! I actually met Sally Rand in Kansas City in 1976. Living history and she still had a knockout pair of legs.

I saw one of her last shows in 1978 at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. She was phenomenal!

CityBoyDoug Dec 2, 2020 3:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphy de la Sucre (Post 9121136)
I adore the full dinner prices back then, 2-3 dollars per person? Put it in year of 2020 for at least 20-30 dollars per person.

Workers were glad to get 50 Cents an hour back in the day. Because of the Depression, it was not until WW II that wages took off. But it was in 1960 that min. wage was still only a meager $1 an hour.

Today, a living wage should be around min. $25 per hr. in big cities.

I pay $15 per hour for a kid to sweep the floor and take out the trash in 2020.
Plus a free meal and transportation, that I provide.

Hey, times change eh?

CaliNative Dec 2, 2020 6:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9122365)
I saw one of her last shows in 1978 at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. She was phenomenal!

I do believe they had Sally Rand do her fan dance in the 1983 film "The Right Stuff" about the Mercury Program based on the book by Tom Wolfe. When the NASA Space Center moved to Houston in the early 1960s, Sally Rand was actually one of the entertainers at the big reception for the astronauts. She reprised her act in the film about the event. She must have been close to 80, but she looked OK. Of course she was filmed from a distance and her apparently nude body was behind the fans, but she still had the moves. One of my uncles saw her act at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair that made her famous or infamous.

CaliNative Dec 2, 2020 7:05 AM

Delete

GaylordWilshire Dec 2, 2020 1:09 PM

:previous:


Not to be forgotten is native Angeleno Faith Bacon, granddaughter of retired industrialist Frank Page Bacon of 2615 Ellendale Place.


https://i.postimg.cc/PrrhGXV0/faithbacon-bmp.jpg


She starred as a fan dancer featured at Chicago's Century of Progress International Exposition of 1933-34; Faith had a running battle with the better-known Sally Rand as to who was the originator of the art, and even sued Sally for ripping off her shtick.

Her Wikipedia entry: "In 1945, she and Sanford Hunt Dickinson—a Buffalo businessman and songwriter—applied for a marriage license. As Bacon was rumored to be gay, she may have sought a marriage of convenience. It is unknown whether they ever actually married; they never lived together, but also never divorced. According to Tullah Innes, a burlesque dancer who crossed paths with Faith frequently, Faith was a lesbian out of necessity as her mother kept her from men. Later in her life, as her work dried up, there were reports of heavy alcohol and drug use."

She jumped out of a Chicago hotel window in 1956.

Blaster Dec 2, 2020 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9122534)
I do believe they had Sally Rand do her fan dance in the 1983 film "The Right Stuff" about the Mercury Program based on the book by Tom Wolfe. When the NASA Space Center moved to Houston in the early 1960s, Sally Rand was actually one of the entertainers at the big reception for the astronauts. She reprised her act in the film about the event. She must have been close to 80, but she looked OK. Of course she was filmed from a distance and her apparently nude body was behind the fans, but she still had the moves. One of my uncles saw her act at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair that made her famous or infamous.

Sally Rand died in 1979 at the age of 75, several years before THE RIGHT STUFF went into production. In the film she is played by Peggy Davis.


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:54 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.