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BillinGlendaleCA Jul 5, 2018 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8242125)
So, rebuild it a little wider, instead of replacing it with that ridiculous Fruit Loops thing that's claimed to be a homage to the old bridge. Or, as EW said, they could've just remedied the concrete problem.

My understanding is that one of the options was to repair the old bridge but that turned out to not be a viable solution due to the severity of the damage and the cost to make it seismically safe. So you're back to building a new bridge, I don't remember all the design proposals, but this is the one the city wanted.

sopas ej Jul 5, 2018 10:20 PM

I think the new bridge is gonna look pretty cool. It'll create new imagery for a 21st Century Los Angeles.

http://www.mmaltzan.com/wp-content/u..._viaduct_8.jpg
Michael Maltzan Architecture

riichkay Jul 5, 2018 10:46 PM

Two young men from N.J. traveled cross country in their MG, August 1967...the full trip is here:

https://mvschulze.com/2013/08/08/the...day-1-and-2-2/

Day 6 had them here in town, at a relative's house in Van Nuys....they headed over Beverly Glen, stopped to photograph the stilt houses on Oakfield Drive...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psgtknotsg.jpg


And now:

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psqh7crf1c.png

The boys were at a higher angle than the GSV...I suspect that they were on a street on the opposite ridge...in the GSV, just to the right of the telephone pole is a house with a distinctive roof that swoops upward, you can match up that same house in the '67 picture....the house with the swooping roof is on Beverly Ridge Dr....I live on the same street, about 10 doors down from that home....


The boys made the obligatory trip to Hollywood Blvd. and the Strip...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pso2pwkhyc.jpg


http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psjrrxtxr6.jpg


http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pseddrf2ih.jpg


They were still on the Strip that night, when they came across a fellow selling
animal skin rugs in front of a gas station across from the Playboy Club building...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psfijzjdyv.jpg

The boys purchased a couple of rugs as gifts for their girlfriends, back in N.J...transported in the trunk of that tiny car.

Earl Boebert Jul 5, 2018 11:55 PM

^^^^^^

Cross country in an MGB is like infantry: A young person's game.

Cheers,

Earl

ScottyB Jul 6, 2018 7:49 AM

Alameda & Olive
 
A little late for the go-kart discussion, I know, but as I was admiring a line of oaks no doubt defining the course of a spring on the eventual NBC studios lot (Alameda and Olive crossing diagonally upper left, lower right area is current site of Johnny Carson park)....

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/913/2...b4a734fe_b.jpg
UCSB

I noticed a small oval cart track and a dirt track next to it (current site of the new Whole Foods market/condo complex)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/2...bc67f9e7_h.jpg
UCSB

Anybody know anything about this?

Also there is what appears to be a movie lot (or a mining operation?).......I can't remember if I remember knowing something about this. I need a lot of help, clearly.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...8144cb29_h.jpg
UCSB

And belated happy birthday to you, ER, you mean a lot to all of us!:cheers:

CaliNative Jul 6, 2018 8:05 AM

[QUOTE=riichkay;8242658]Two young men from N.J. traveled cross country in their MG, August 1967...the full trip is here:

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pseddrf2ih.jpg

Takes me back to the mid 1960s when I saw the Doors on the Strip about a year after the Whiskey a go go "riots" (just kids letting off some steam). Everything changed. Broke on through to the other side. I remember seeing them filming a movie called "The Graduate" about that time. I wonder how it did?

oldstuff Jul 6, 2018 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8242713)
^^^^^^

Cross country in an MGB is like infantry: A young person's game.

Cheers,

Earl

In 1977 my husband had just gotten out of the Army in Washington, D.C. and we came back across the country in a Datsun 240Z. Yes, we were young, and I was 8 months pregnant..... Not something I would want to do again, at least not in that car.

Ed Workman Jul 6, 2018 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8242327)
My understanding is that one of the options was to repair the old bridge but that turned out to not be a viable solution due to the severity of the damage and the cost to make it seismically safe. So you're back to building a new bridge, I don't remember all the design proposals, but this is the one the city wanted.

I found I have a report-executive summary- of LA Bridges as of 3 july 2002
The report explains what /how bridges are inspected by LA City folks lists the classifications of condition and has 8 pp of tables that show the rating and potential replacement cost for each bridge in the city
Sixth St is shown to be 'Functionally Obsolete" with a rating of 50% D.
Back then F meant replace it. The code for Siesmic Obsolescence, SO, was NOT SHOWN for Sixth
The estimated cost to replace is 45-46 million$

I wonder what the estimate is in 2016 dollars, and if the present projection is less than twice the budgeted price when the project got a GO

I'd be VERY surprised if the price that will be paid is much , if any, less than $billion

Visually excrescent, but at least the scale is more fitting than what I pictured when a 'cable stayed' bridge was announced years ago, and that was the style that featured high pylons and long spans- I think one was built in Boston. Fine for the Columbia River, or Switzerland , but totally out of scale in an urban setting- whew that was a close one.

As Bill said
The City wanted it- IIRC Villagarosa was mayor
Vanity beats history , as usual

Costs and schedules produced by gov't and their lackeys [ or in Mao-speak, running dogs] almost always end up as 1/2 to 2/3 the advertised

Yet there stands Roebling's bridge over the East River, probly cuz you can stroll or bicycle across it. ANd it is still sold regularly

Ed Workman, recovering structural engineer, trained in architect school,
Geezer, Grump and Cynic, all learned at great expense and effort

oldstuff Jul 6, 2018 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8242984)
A little late for the go-kart discussion, I know, but as I was admiring a line of oaks no doubt defining the course of a spring on the eventual NBC studios lot (Alameda and Olive crossing diagonally upper left, lower right area is current site of Johnny Carson park)....

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/913/2...b4a734fe_b.jpg
UCSB

I noticed a small oval cart track and a dirt track next to it (current site of the new Whole Foods market/condo complex)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/2...bc67f9e7_h.jpg
UCSB

Anybody know anything about this?

Also there is what appears to be a movie lot (or a mining operation?).......I can't remember if I remember knowing something about this. I need a lot of help, clearly.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...8144cb29_h.jpg
UCSB

And belated happy birthday to you, ER, you mean a lot to all of us!:cheers:

Scotty,

Did your picture have a date? My aunt and uncle lived about a quarter mile from that intersection and maybe my cousins would known something about it. Three boys, all very into cars.

Since they have not done anything with the land right now there is an aerial photo and in the current view you can see a very faint "ghost" of the oval track.

As to your line of oaks, they did run near a natural streambed. My aunt and uncle lived on Niagara Street, just to the north of that area, and before Burbank had flood control, Niagara would turn into a river when it rained hard. My oldest cousin asked his mother, if he built a boat, would she ride down Niagara in it with him when it rained. She said she would, and my cousin proceeded to build the boat and then, in a pouring rainstorm, they rode down the block in his boat. Unfortunately, no one took a picture of him and his boat. He went on to build yachts.

Martin Pal Jul 6, 2018 6:39 PM

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Apologies in advance, and you may skip this post of course, but I hear the name Frank Gehry and I have to vent:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 8242003)
Why not replace, say the Washington Monument with a Frank Gehry Horror because the elevator is too small and the stairs don't comply with ADA?
_________________________________________________________________


Gehry designs for the Washington Monument.

http://www.ctbuh.org/Portals/0/Media...ishTower_1.jpg

http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...n-US/view.aspx


These are actually being built in Toronto. Gehry was born in Toronto. (They invited him back?) A Gehry quote: "Toronto has grown to look like every other screwed-up city," he told the Toronto Star. I'm assuming his next words were "And I'm going to help you screw it up even more."

Also something he wants to build in Toronto:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D5lo-jcJFN.../toronto+2.jpg

From an article announcing this:

"A massive new project by architect Frank Gehry in the heart of Toronto’s theatre district seems to have caught the city off guard."

Ya think?

This is how Gehry designs his buildings...he pours potato chips out of a bag and voila:

https://www.weinerelementary.org/upl...36513030_3.jpg

Here's his design for the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes Concert Hall in Burbank:

http://www.designindaba.com/sites/de...?itok=iloM3u9R

Martin Pal Jul 6, 2018 6:42 PM

.

Speaking of building things, though...I read this on Monday:

A proposed gondola from Union Station to Dodger Stadium has advanced to a second stage
of consideration, Metro announced this week. The transit agency confirmed that it received
an unsolicited bid from Aerial Rapid Transit Technologies.


http://i.epochtimes.com/assets/uploa...01-600x400.jpgABC7

A video outlning a route:

Video Link

ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 6:45 PM

'mystery' cross
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2


So all along the cross was hiding in plain sight.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/BWN6QN.jpg
date unknown museumsanfernandovalley donated by Gary Fredburg in 2011

If you're unable to locate it see the detail below.



< < < < < 1913 postcard
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/JamBJU.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/xmwsU5.jpg

The cross is near the right shoulder of the man in the middle.






You get an exceptional view of the cross in this 1885 photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/qoZrXX.jpg
uscdigitalarchive



Detail
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kMDQru.jpg

Can you tell what kind of bush is at the foot of the cross odinthor?


MUST. FIND. CROSS.

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ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 7:22 PM

color me....gullible?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8241284)
Independence Day extra of the Los Angeles Star:

https://s26.postimg.cc/gidjalpx5/Procession1.jpg

You're messing with my mind, right? (there wasn't really a Senor e_r)

Now I'm curious...was there really a Jake Phillippi's Beer Garden on Fort Hill--
___


Thanks so much for the birthday wishes comrades :)

ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 7:46 PM

Here is a truly astonishing photograph.

The entire police force of Los Angeles [c.1904]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/M1Yaic.jpg
GUARDIANS OF ANGELS


"This particular photograph of the entire Los Angeles Police Department, taken circa 1904, has continually been mistakenly marked as being snapped in 1890.
To photo historians, this 14-year error is important to correct. The image was taken at the entry to the newly constructed Los Angeles County Courthouse at Broadway and Temple Street.
The building was completed 1891."
JAMES BULTEMA



Some serious sleuthing going on below:

"If one was to accept the date of 1890, then I would argue, where is Chief John Glass (1889-1899), who was never absent from any LAPD group photograph during his tenure.
No one in the photograph has the stars of the chief of police displayed on their uniform. They all wear the series two badge that was worn from 1890 to 1909."



"Those present for this official portrait of the LAPD lends itself to identifying the year of the image. Standing at attention, with his trademark long, drooping mustache, is Walter Auble (front row on left),
who was chief of police from 1905 to 1906—a year after this photo was taken. The chief of police in 1904 was William Hammell. Why he would not be present for this significant image is not known,
but he is nowhere to be found.
The two ladies present give substance to the date of 1904. The diminutive Lucy Gray and her daughter Aletha Gilbert (1902-1929) are given the prominent position of being framed
by Auble and the Detective Bureau. Matron Gray died in March of 1904, eliminating the date of 1905 when Auble was chief."



"Chief Walter Auble would serve one year as chief and would later be gunned down by a burglary suspect. Lucy Gray died of pneumonia shortly after this photo was taken.
Aletha Gilbert became LA’s first “City Mother” and served the LAPD until her retirement in 1929. The iconic Los Angeles County Courthouse was torn down in 1932."


James Bultema at guardiansofangels

odinthor Jul 6, 2018 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243507)
[...] Detail
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kMDQru.jpg

Can you tell what kind of bush is at the foot of the cross odinthor?

[...]

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Hmmm, e_r, hard to say; but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a Wax Privet (Ligustrum lucidum, ever-popular for clipping into one shape or another.

Tourmaline Jul 6, 2018 8:29 PM

Cahuenga Pass vaguely resembles PCH?

Quote:

September 2, 1955 reads, 'Hot impatient motorists pulled to side of Hollywood Freeway en route to Valley as vapor locks caused by excessive heat stalled at least 200 cars. Later afternoon traffic was near standstill, with one lane blocked off for stalled cars. Extra police and tow cars were assigned to area.' LAPL
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL


Meanwhile approximately thirty years later, no vapor lock in sight at the Bonaventure pool.

1984
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL

odinthor Jul 6, 2018 8:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243553)
You're messing with my mind, right?

Who, me? ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243553)
(there wasn't really a Senor e_r)

Now I'm curious...was there really a Jake Phillippi's Beer Garden on Fort Hill--
___
[...]

From my notes: [Jake Phillippi was] one of the first to locate on the Market St. side of Temple’s new south wing of the Temple Block; there he conducted a sort of Kneipe [beer-hall] on the north side of Market St.; 1882, cited for violating the Sunday law. 1882, "made an extended visit through the Eastern States and old Mexico. After his return the following year, he established ‘The Gardens,’ at Buena Vista [on Fort Hill], and made extensive improvements; but on account of ill health sold the place to Mrs. Banning. Since then he has not been engaged in active business” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 605).

Oh, good gracious, e_r, you want more on Phillippi? Very well: October 20, 1836, born in “Merzlich Kartaus, on the River Mossel, near the old Roman city of Trier, in the Rhine Province of Prussia” (Illustrated History, p. 605); “He emigrated to America when only sixteen years of age, spent one winter in Cincinnatti and then went to St. Louis, after which he ran on steamboats between there and New Orleans. He was for a time in the employ of the Government at Leavenworth, Kansas. In 1855 he hired out to Waddell & Russell, the great transportation company, to drive team, his first trip being made to New Mexico. […] In 1857 he went on the Government surveying expedition, under General Joe Johnson, running the south line of the State of Kansas. […] During the fall of [1858], fifteen of them [teamsters?] started from Salt Lake with mule teams, for Southern California. The mules gave out and the party were compelled to walk from Camp Floyd [in Utah] to Los Angeles. They were disturbed by the Indians, who stole their provisions, and in consequence they suffered for want of food. They reached Los Angeles in November, 1858. Upon his arrival here, Mr. Philippi went up to San Francisco. After prospecting for a time in the mines, he went to Stockton and Napa City, California, and the following year returned to Los Angeles, where he was in the employ of the Government, while General Hancock was in command, until 1861. Then he worked for General Banning as teamster. In the fall of 1862 he started a grocery, and after running it for a time, and not being successful, he again went to work for General Banning. In November, 1864, he bought a saloon at the corner of Market and Main streets, and carried on the business there and in that block and at the People’s Hall on Market street for eighteen years” (op. cit., p. 605); October 23, 1869, married Wilhelmina Burkhardt; 1870, present in L.A. as a saloon keeper with savings of $1,000 and real estate valued at $1,500. (Followed by the quote above.)

PS: There was a Philo Jacoby too...

CityBoyDoug Jul 6, 2018 9:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8243499)
.
Apologies in advance, and you may skip this post of course, but I hear the name Frank Gehry and I have to vent:





Gehry designs for the Washington Monument.




These are actually being built in Toronto. Gehry was born in Toronto. (They invited him back?) A Gehry quote: "Toronto has grown to look like every other screwed-up city," he told the Toronto Star. I'm assuming his next words were "And I'm going to help you screw it up even more."


From an article announcing this:

"A massive new project by architect Frank Gehry in the heart of Toronto’s theatre district seems to have caught the city off guard."

Ya think?

This is how Gehry designs his buildings...he pours potato chips out of a bag and voila:

https://www.weinerelementary.org/upl...36513030_3.jpg

Here's his design for the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes Concert Hall in Burbank:

http://www.designindaba.com/sites/de...?itok=iloM3u9R

FG is easy to understand from his psychological profile: Basically the bottom line is that he hates people.

One college on the east coast has had to demolish one of his new buildings as they find it impossible to waterproof and to maintain the goofy structure. The Board of Directors just decided it was cheaper to demo it than to make constant repairs. They learned their lesson the hard way with this design freak.:hell:

BTW its rumored that he often uses wadded up toilet paper or tin foil as his design inspiration.


a FG sketch for some uber rich oil client. I guess it was paid for and approved.

https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content...209_g-ad-5.jpg
hyp dot com

HossC Jul 6, 2018 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243583)

"This particular photograph of the entire Los Angeles Police Department, taken circa 1904, has continually been mistakenly marked as being snapped in 1890.
To photo historians, this 14-year error is important to correct.

...

The iconic Los Angeles County Courthouse was torn down in 1932."

Shame they got the demo date wrong!

The old County Courthouse as it is being demolished, 1936

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

sopas ej Jul 6, 2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8243679)
One college on the east coast has had to demolish one of his new buildings as they find it impossible to waterproof and to maintain the goofy structure. The Board of Directors just decided it was cheaper to demo it than to make constant repairs.

Oh, do you mean the building he did for MIT? That's too bad; I actually liked that building, it breaks up the monotony of the boxes around it.

This street view is from last year: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3624...2!8i6656?hl=en

HossC Jul 6, 2018 11:16 PM

:previous:

I think CBD must be referring to the ICS/Engineering Research Facility at UC Irvine, designed by Gehry in the mid-80s. Everything fits apart from the building being on the west coast. It was razed in 2007. More info here.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AGehryUCI1.jpg
www.ocregister.com

Lwize Jul 7, 2018 12:17 AM

A little history of the palm tree in Los Angeles can be found here:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/article...in-los-angeles

https://assets.atlasobscura.com/medi...night_1930.jpg
(http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/21827/rec/18 via atlasobscura.com)

GaylordWilshire Jul 7, 2018 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8243679)
FG is easy to understand from his psychological profile: Basically the bottom line is that he hates people.


Absurd, of course. Have you ever been to a concert at Disney Hall? Been to Bilbao? To 8 Spruce in NY? Have you actually spent time in any of his buildings? Wright was an iconoclast too, so was Philip Johnson. Some of all three of these architects' buildings are bombs, but there's a reason the designers are famous, and it wasn't because they "hated people," whatever you mean by that.



Speaking of famous architects, LA's own John Parkinson is the subject of Stephen Gee's documentary companion to his Parkinson monograph, Iconic Vision: John Parkinson, Architect of Los Angeles, airing during the next few weeks (see schedule below).


https://s22.postimg.cc/4lps1vkwx/iconic1a.jpg


https://s22.postimg.cc/9yj7tb37l/listingsfnl.bmp.jpg

Flyingwedge Jul 7, 2018 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243583)
Here is a truly astonishing photograph.

The entire police force of Los Angeles [c.1904]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/M1Yaic.jpg
GUARDIANS OF ANGELS


"This particular photograph of the entire Los Angeles Police Department, taken circa 1904, has continually been mistakenly marked as being snapped in 1890.
To photo historians, this 14-year error is important to correct. The image was taken at the entry to the newly constructed Los Angeles County Courthouse at Broadway and Temple Street.
The building was completed 1891."
JAMES BULTEMA

Some serious sleuthing going on below:

"If one was to accept the date of 1890, then I would argue, where is Chief John Glass (1889-1899), who was never absent from any LAPD group photograph during his tenure.
No one in the photograph has the stars of the chief of police displayed on their uniform. They all wear the series two badge that was worn from 1890 to 1909."


"Those present for this official portrait of the LAPD lends itself to identifying the year of the image. Standing at attention, with his trademark long, drooping mustache, is Walter Auble (front row on left),
who was chief of police from 1905 to 1906—a year after this photo was taken. The chief of police in 1904 was William Hammell. Why he would not be present for this significant image is not known,
but he is nowhere to be found.

The two ladies present give substance to the date of 1904. The diminutive Lucy Gray and her daughter Aletha Gilbert (1902-1929) are given the prominent position of being framed
by Auble and the Detective Bureau. Matron Gray died in March of 1904, eliminating the date of 1905 when Auble was chief."


Lucy Gray died of pneumonia shortly after this photo was taken.

James Bultema at guardiansofangels

Yes, that's quite a photo, e_r. I've spent some time sleuthing it as well, and I think I can provide a timeframe in which
the photo was taken: September 1903 to February 1904.

Police Matron Lucy U. Gray, the shorter of the two women in the front row, died February 29, 1904 (a leap year), so
obviously the photo wasn't taken after that (she was appointed Matron in July 1889, not July 1888):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psyrcbq1qv.jpg

March 1, 1904, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


William A. Hammel didn't become LAPD Chief until April 6, 1904. So, since Matron Gray is in the photo, the chief at the
time was Charles Elton, who resigned April 5, 1904.

So why isn't Chief Elton in the photo? I think he was standing at the left edge of the photo, which was cut off after his
resignation, an event that probably occurred not long after the photo was taken. Look how the photo is framed slightly
off-center; there's empty space next to the last man on the right side of the photo, but not on the left side.

For comparison, here's an 1889 photo of the LAPD with Chief John M. Glass at far left in the front row:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psq6pyd1ue.jpg

Los Angeles Police Department by Thomas G. Hays, Arthur W. Sjoquist and the Los Angeles Police Historical Society (Arcadia Publishing, 2005) @ Google Books


The Police Commission conducted its semi-annual inspection of the LAPD on October 6, 1903, so, e_r, it's possible your
photo was taken on that occasion:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4sol7ovy.jpg

October 7, 1903, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


However, I don't think the photo could have been taken before Friday, September 11, 1903. The following is from
the September 13, 1903, Los Angeles Herald column entitled "Among Colored Citizens":

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbnswkyam.jpg

CDNC


Here is a c. 1912 photo of William W. Glenn, seated on the right (the LAPD hired its first African-American officers
in 1889, not 1886):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pshbxpeede.jpg

Los Angeles Police Department by Thomas G. Hays, Arthur W. Sjoquist and the Los Angeles Police Historical Society (Arcadia Publishing, 2005) @ Google Books


Compare that photo of William W. Glenn with the man in the center of this close-up from your photo, e_r. It sure
looks to me like the same guy, but a little younger:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pso8xwm3lu.jpg

Lwize Jul 7, 2018 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8242125)
So, rebuild it a little wider, instead of replacing it with that ridiculous Fruit Loops thing that's claimed to be a homage to the old bridge. Or, as EW said, they could've just remedied the concrete problem.

Some of us like Fruit Loops.

Lwize Jul 7, 2018 12:41 AM

I understand some folks don't get Frank Gehry, but I love his work.

I'd like to see him redo the Washington Monument!

While in Prague last month, I finally got to see this FG stunner up close:

http://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/gehryprague.JPG

(Photographed and hosted by me)

ethereal_reality Jul 7, 2018 2:03 AM

I happened upon two 1920s snapshots this afternoon on Ebay.

#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8vpn7h.jpg
EBAY

I forgot (if I ever knew) that there was a Hotel (& Apts) ALHAMBRA on both sides of N. Broadway. (have we talked about this before?) hmm








#2 'mystery' vantage point. Does anyone know what roof the photographer would have been standing on to get this view?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/r6iuKy.jpg
EBAY

This one seems vaguely familiar (but I believe I'm thinking of the recent "military guys on leave staying at the YMCA" photo)

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Handsome Stranger Jul 7, 2018 6:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 8234235)
LAist.com just posted a story about John Parkinson, who is the subject of a new documentary, Iconic Vision: John Parkinson, Architect of Los Angeles, which premieres on PBS SoCal on July 5, 2018

My thanks to MartinTurnbull for alerting me to this documentary a few days ago. I made note of it, recorded it Thursday night on my HTPC, and watched it Friday evening. Fascinating documentary, well worth seeing. I'll definitely be saving it.

Also thanks to GaylordWilshire for the reminder!

HossC Jul 7, 2018 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243936)

I happened upon two 1920s snapshots this afternoon on Ebay.

#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8vpn7h.jpg
EBAY

I forgot (if I ever knew) that there was a Hotel (& Apts) ALHAMBRA on both sides of N. Broadway. (have we talked about this before?)

It looks like your amnesia is repetitive, e_r. ;)

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6593856)

I came across this postcard dated 1913 on ebay last night.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102.../841/ojgxu.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...0/835/0x53.jpg

I had forgotten (if I had ever known) that the Alhambra Hotel had an annex.

The full post, and a few others on the subject, can be found on the lower half of page 1085.

CityBoyDoug Jul 7, 2018 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8243868)
Absurd, of course. Have you ever been to a concert at Disney Hall? Been to Bilbao? To 8 Spruce in NY? Have you actually spent time in any of his buildings? Wright was an iconoclast too, so was Philip Johnson. Some of all three of these architects' buildings are bombs, but there's a reason the designers are famous, and it wasn't because they "hated people," whatever you mean by that.



Speaking of famous architects, LA's own John Parkinson is the subject of Stephen Gee's documentary companion to his Parkinson monograph, Iconic Vision: John Parkinson, Architect of Los Angeles, airing during the next few weeks (see schedule below).


I have to say one thing about FG.....he's consistent. All of his buildings are an insult to humanity. Psychologists call that ''crazy making". All of FG's buildings are crazy.

Yes, all of the famous architects had their occasional mistake. People are not perfect 100% of the time..

One of our noirishers compared the typical FG design to a stack of potato chips. His assessment is spot on.

Life's a bowl of cherries....eh.

HossC Jul 7, 2018 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243936)

I happened upon two 1920s snapshots this afternoon on Ebay.

...

#2 'mystery' vantage point. Does anyone know what roof the photographer would have been standing on to get this view?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/r6iuKy.jpg
EBAY

This one seems vaguely familiar (but I believe I'm thinking of the recent "military guys on leave staying at the YMCA" photo)

The roof in the foreground is the Consolidated Realty Building at 6th and Hill, but the elevation makes me think that the photographer was on the neighboring Detwiler Building. The empty lot just above the roof is the former location of the Hotel Lillie and First Methodist Episcopal Church, vacated to make way for the Metropolitan/Paramount Theatre.

Below is a view at a similar angle, this time probably from the Consolidated Realty Building, dated a few years earlier.

Panoramic view of Los Angeles, looking north from a building on the corner of Hill Street from 6th Street, 1913

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality Jul 7, 2018 1:42 PM

:previous: EXCELLENT Hoss! !

"The empty lot just above the roof is the former location of the Hotel Lillie and First Methodist Episcopal Church, vacated to make way for the Metropolitan/Paramount Theatre."

I was wondering about the empty lot. Thanks


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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8244098)
It looks like your amnesia is repetitive, e_r. ;)

It makes me seem not very bright.

ethereal_reality Jul 7, 2018 2:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8244129)
The elevation makes me think that the photographer was on the neighboring Detwiler Building.

Baker-Detwiler Block 1914 by architect John C. Austin, now Park Central Building, 412 W. 6th Street
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/tM6Cze.png
calisphere

The photographer was higher up than I first thought. I just rechecked the snap and I believe you are correct Hoss. Thanks :)

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HossC Jul 7, 2018 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8244131)

I was wondering about the empty lot. Thanks.

Just to add a little more info to e_r's 1920 image (above): the building to the left of the empty lot is the B&M Cafeteria. A 2013 post by WS1911 seems to have lost its pictures, so here's a reminder of the exterior in 1916.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

HDL also has some interior shots (which were probably in WS1911's post) - here's one of them.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

The B&M Cafeteria was replaced by Boos Cafeteria, which can be seen in the second half of post #21267.

HossC Jul 7, 2018 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8244138)

Baker-Detwiler Block 1914 by architect John C. Austin, now Park Central Building, 412 W. 6th Street
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/tM6Cze.png
calisphere

Notice the cross-like additions to the roof of the Consolidated Realty Building (above, left). While trying to work out the location of the mystery image, I found a 1913 photoset taken from the Athletic Building on the corner of Olive Street and 7th Street. Here's a close-up showing the roof decorations, which are not dissimilar to some of the street lights of the time.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Detail of image in USC Digital Library

They had all gone by 1920 (which was probably a good idea!).

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243936)


pjenn Jul 7, 2018 5:17 PM

Hi Everybody,

I'm looking for a picture of the Adele Hotel at 444 S. Spring Street, 1910 - 1935.

I appreciate any help you can give me.

GaylordWilshire Jul 7, 2018 7:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 8242629)
I think the new bridge is gonna look pretty cool. It'll create new imagery for a 21st Century Los Angeles.

https://s22.postimg.cc/8p9ae3vhd/6thstbridge.jpg
Michael Maltzan Architecture

Agree with you, sopas. Great way to bring the east side back into the fold.


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Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8241763)
https://i.imgur.com/EqUeZNL.jpg

Looks like someone went berserk applying control-c control-v to the St. Louis arch.


https://s22.postimg.cc/4z9nkrwcx/par...inebridge2.jpg


I think Paris's version is great too. Perhaps our own impeccably credentialed architecture critics, Dougie, Diana, etc
would care to offer learned critiques? (en garde Banham, Huxtable, Goldberger, Kennicott, Filler, and Muschamp)

Martin Pal Jul 7, 2018 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8243868)
Absurd, of course. Have you ever been to a concert at Disney Hall? Been to Bilbao? To 8 Spruce in NY? Have you actually spent time in any of his buildings? Wright was an iconoclast too, so was Philip Johnson. Some of all three of these architects' buildings are bombs, but there's a reason the designers are famous, and it wasn't because they "hated people," whatever you mean by that.
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I have spent time in a couple of his buildings and you have a point. It's better to be inside one so you aren't forced to look at it. Reminds me of the French writer Guy de Maupassant who used to eat at the Eiffel Tower restaurant every day and a person finally asked him once, "If you hate the Eiffel Tower so much, why do you eat there?" and he replied something to the effect "It's the only place in Paris I can eat lunch without looking at it."

I'm not an expert in architecture, but I know that Gehry's buildings produce negative feelings, thoughts, vibrations or any other word like those from a Thesaurus, when I see one in person or in photographs.

So let someone else who is versed in architecture talk about him:

https://articlelink/frank-gehry-is-still-the-worlds-worst-living-architect-1523113249

While it's been widely known for at least a decade that Frank Gehry is the world's worst living architect, it's not entirely clear why some people—mostly very rich clients—haven't picked up on this yet. The utterly god awful Biomuseo in Panama, an eco-discovery center that cost at least $60 million and took a decade to construct, is only the most recent case in point.

Gehry long ago stopped pursuing any interesting material or tectonic experimentation—and he used to be an interesting architect!—to become the multi-billion dollar equivalent of a Salvador Dalì poster tacked to the wall in a stoned lacrosse player's dorm room, an isn't-it-trippy pile of pseudo-psychedelic bullshit that everyone but billionaire urban developers can see through right away. What's particularly frustrating about Gehry's career is that he's somehow meant to be cool, a kind of sci-fi architect for the Millennial generation, a Timothy Leary of CAD; but he's Guy Fieri, his buildings hair-gelled monsters of advanced spatial douchebaggery.

His work is badly constructed, ravey-balls hair metal, a C.C. DeVille guitar solo that cannot—will not—end until the billionaire clients who keep paying for this shit can be stopped. Worse, no matter how much diagrammatic handwaving someone like architectural theorist extraordinaire Peter Eisenman can do—and he can do an awful lot of it—to convince you that Gehry is, or was once long ago, on to something interesting, these buildings are not even compelling from a theoretical standpoint. So, yeah, he used software normally found in airplane design—great. That's awesome. I can imagine amazing things coming out of such an irreverent mixing of design tools.

But the results are just crumpled Reynold's Wrap on an otherwise white-bread interior, a boring, room-by-room grid surrounded by hair spray, like some lunatic version of Phyllis Diller blown up to the size of a city block and frozen mid-stroke.

Gehry has already built the worst new residential building in New York City of the past five years [IS THIS THE ONE YOU MENTIONED GW? 8 SPRUCE?], and now he's on his way to ruin part of downtown Berlin with a faux-golden Accessorize trinket you'd expect to find at a roller rink in suburban Wisconsin, a hypertrophied JWoww unsuspecting Germans can someday live within.

But it's no use. We're stuck now. It's like being forced to watch M. Night Shyamalan films when you were hoping for David Cronenberg, or being stuck in a room with Steve Vai when you thought you were listening to Andrés Segovia.

No doubt, in a city council out there even as I type this [WEST HOLLYWOOD], some doe-eyed general manager is shaking up a can of crazy string and preparing to enfecalize an entire neighborhood near you with the pink slime of another Frank Gehry, a man for whom architecture is all McNuggets, all the time.

The tech world might have Moore's Law, but architecture has found its own unbreakable rule: year after year, Frank Gehry will always get worse. --Geoff Manaugh

And if you want to broaden the scale, read this:

Why You Hate Contemporary Architecture
(And if you don’t, why you should…)
by Brianna Rennix & Nathan J. Robinson

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/...y-architecture


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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 8243757)
Oh, do you mean the building he did for MIT? That's too bad; I actually liked that building, it breaks up the monotony of the boxes around it.
____________________________________________________


This reminds me of the monologue Jessica Lange had in TOOTSIE, when she was in her childhood room and her mother asked her what kind of wallpaper she'd like to have and she came up with all these ideas and notions and her mother then explained to her that she could have that if she wanted, but reminded her that what she chose is something she'd see every morning when she woke up and every night when she went to bed and all the other times she'd be in her room...dreaming...or with friends or by herself doing schoolwork.

Gehry buildings might "break up the monotony", but most of life is monotony and his buildings do nothing to inspire one in those moments or comfort them or give a sense of possibility. They give a sense of warning signs like what that sign says over the castle entrance in The Wizard of Oz: "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here."


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Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 8243882)
I understand some folks don't get Frank Gehry, but I love his work.
I'd like to see him redo the Washington Monument!
While in Prague last month, I finally got to see this FG stunner up close:
http://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/gehryprague.JPG
(Photographed and hosted by me)
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...something you'd see every morning when you wake up and every night when you went to bed and all the other times of your day... :shrug:

I'd like to get Frank Gehry. Get him away from working and into retirement.

Seriously, who would want to see this building e v e r y...s i n g l e...d a y . . .

Tourmaline Jul 7, 2018 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7999351)


There have been several responses to this Vermonica post, e.g., http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=44278 and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=44280 It is unknown whether a link to this "Huell" episode was also included on NLA. It not only covers Vermonica, but the latter portion offers numerous closeups of miscellaneous saved street lighting, including a Westwood Village exemplar featuring Bruin blue and gold tiles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=uBeqwqiTYis An observation is offered near the end of the video that maintenance and energy expenses are a big impediment for continued use of older street lighting. Wonder if current advances in LED lighting might affect that thinking.:shrug:


Wilshire Specials?


1937 - Wilshire near Figueroa (Shultheis)
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...=512&DMY=512&DLAPL



1937 Goodrich Store on Wilshire (No street address provided. Could it be listed as 3057 Wilshire?) *
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL


*Source also identifies this structure as "Exterior view of the Goodrich Store on Wilshire Boulevard." Street width suggests otherwise :shrug:
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL

Andys Jul 7, 2018 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8244070)
My thanks to MartinTurnbull for alerting me to this documentary a few days ago. I made note of it, recorded it Thursday night on my HTPC, and watched it Friday evening. Fascinating documentary, well worth seeing. I'll definitely be saving it.

Also thanks to GaylordWilshire for the reminder!

Thanks for posting the broadcast schedule! I actually stumbled across the July 5th show, and will be sure to watch again. Very interesting, indeed.

Thanks,
Andys

Tourmaline Jul 7, 2018 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6635695)
Remember the goat-gland doctor?


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Y...olorFBaddr.jpgUSCDLWBH


I've done a little more investigating into Dr. Clayton E. Wheeler's goat-gland clinic at 3173 Wilshire Boulevard. After genteel beginnings and questionable medical practices, the house just got weirder, and that's even before Nixon darkened its doors. The full story of the Emilie Brodtbeck house is now here: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...COMPLREVSh.jpgLAT


Shopping for goat glands (who isn't?) and wondered whether Wilshire's Ionaco wouldn't be more effective, if not less invasive. I have seen it before, but maybe not on NLA.



Quote:

Wilshire's concept for his electric belt and his theory of electromagnetic health was influenced by Otto Heinrich Warburg's study of iron in the blood. According to Wilshire, the device's magnetic field was supposed to increase the body's absorption of oxygen to free the body from toxic diseases. The belt was marketed as both a health-improving device and a cure for most diseases; including cancer, diabetes, tuberculosis, arthritis, neuritis, and insomnia.

The interior had a thick coil of insulated wire that generated a weak magnetic current. It also had a smaller wire coil with a flashlight globe that would light up when placed close to the thick coil. The exterior of the belt was covered by a thick layer of leather. It was roughly 15 to 18 inches (38 to 46 cm) in diameter, wide enough to fit over the shoulder of a grown adult. It weighed about 6.5 pounds (2.9 kg) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionaco




"no bathing, no sweating, no electrifying, no dieting, no psychologizing, no exercising, no drugging, no faith-curing and no manipulating"


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...27s_Ionaco.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...27s_Ionaco.jpg

tovangar2 Jul 7, 2018 9:19 PM

.

The three Wilshire Specials on the north (two hidden by trees) and the four on the south are still there:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wd...=w1083-h449-no
gsv

CityBoyDoug Jul 7, 2018 9:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8244328)
I have spent time in a couple of his buildings and you have a point. It's better to be inside one so you aren't forced to look at it.


I'd like to get Frank Gehry. Get him away from working and into retirement. :D:D:D

Seriously, who would want to see this building e v e r y...s i n g l e...d a y . . .

Thanks Martin for your vivid essay on that dabbler in architectural foolishness. Love your line about his retirement....we can only hope. Poor FG fails every time he has to, gawd forbid, somehow fix a doorway into his design. There it sits, somehow awkwardly at ground level, while the upper part of the structure flies off in all directions like an explosion in a steel mill.

To me all of FG's work is like abstract art.... its 1% inspiration and 99% explanation. But in this case its like explaining the raving of an inmate in Bedlam.[an institution for the care of mentally ill people.]


Gehry = A c i d ~ t r i p ~architecture,,,

Ed Workman Jul 7, 2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by




[IMG
https://s22.postimg.cc/4z9nkrwcx/paristrampolinebridge2.jpg[/IMG]



Hmm GIant hemoroid cushions? -spellchek hates me

tovangar2 Jul 7, 2018 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 8244435)
Hmm GIant hemoroid cushions? -spellchek hates me

LOL. That made me laugh SO hard. The perfect relief from my raging case of World Cup Fever. Thx EW.

ethereal_reality Jul 8, 2018 3:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge
The Police Commission conducted its semi-annual inspection of the LAPD on October 6, 1903, so, e_r,
it's possible your photo was taken on that occasion:

Thank for your indepth follow-up (and the corrections), on the Los Angeles Police Force photograph.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge
Compare that photo of William W. Glenn with the man in the center of this close-up from your photo, e_r. It sure
looks to me like the same guy, but a little younger:


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pso8xwm3lu.jpg

I'm glad you pointed out William Glenn. I hadn't noticed him earlier.
_____________________________________________________________

AS I AM WONT TO DO, I FOUND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON SERGEANT WILLIAM W. GLENN

It appears he had marital woes around 1908.

but this is more interesting:

In 1919 a so-called 'Purity Squad', under the direction of Sergeant William Hackett,
tried to drum William W. Glenn out of the police force. (possibly setting him up with a prostitiute)

Also in 1919, Hackett's 'Purity Squad" might have 'framed' Sergeant L.L. McClary with a prostitute as well.

What's up with this Hackett dude?

William Hackett of the 'Purity Squad' is arrested for Vice

Ah, so now we know. He was on the take!
_____________


If something is named 'Purity Squad', nine times outta' ten it will be WORSE than what they're trying to 'purify'.

ethereal_reality Jul 8, 2018 4:42 AM

Could this be a never-before-seen photograph of L.A.'s Chinatown?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/08MsFj.jpg
EBAY

1897 Cabinet Card of Los Angeles' Chinatown [currently on ebay]




The date & location is written on the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/VXvYyB.png
DETAIL




A closer look. (it's what I do best :) folks)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/cGaei7.jpg
EBAY

Isn't it simply AMAZING.

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Tikiman Jul 8, 2018 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8216119)
My favorite color noir is Niagara. [1953]

https://imageshack.com/a/img921/1560/NJr2GK.gif






Here's a memorable scene.

https://imageshack.com/a/img921/7893/J06W4e.gif

https://imageshack.com/a/img922/2658/LcOnAf.gif


https://imageshack.com/a/img923/5312/5AsEbh.gif

She sure does! What I remember the most is Marilyn gently singing along with the song.

(I thought I knew the name of the song...but I don't)

The name of the song is "Kiss"

Scott Charles Jul 8, 2018 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8243868)
Speaking of famous architects, LA's own John Parkinson is the subject of Stephen Gee's documentary companion to his Parkinson monograph, Iconic Vision: John Parkinson, Architect of Los Angeles, airing during the next few weeks (see schedule below).


https://s22.postimg.cc/4lps1vkwx/iconic1a.jpg


https://s22.postimg.cc/9yj7tb37l/listingsfnl.bmp.jpg

Does anyone know if there is any other way to see this documentary? John Parkinson is my favorite architect, but… I don’t own a television!

I did have a TV maybe five years back, but once I realized that I hadn’t even turned it on it about three years (other than to watch DVDs), I got rid of it (and cancelled my VERY expensive cable TV).

99% of what I want to see I can find online. I have Amazon Prime streaming video, Netflix, there’s YouTube of course, I watch DVDs on my computer, and sometimes I rent movies from iTunes. It’s very rare that I regret not owning a TV, but this is one of those times!

Ed Workman Jul 8, 2018 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8244682)
Does anyone know if there is any other way to see this documentary? John Parkinson is my favorite architect, but… I don’t own a television!

I did have a TV maybe five years back, but once I realized that I hadn’t even turned it on it about three years (other than to watch DVDs), I got rid of it (and cancelled my VERY expensive cable TV).

99% of what I want to see I can find online. I have Amazon Prime streaming video, Netflix, there’s YouTube of course, I watch DVDs on my computer, and sometimes I rent movies from iTunes. It’s very rare that I regret not owning a TV, but this is one of those times!

Me too
I do not like video presentations and find most to be very annoying
I like to REAI wonder if there is a transcript[s] or links to sources?
My children can read, write with a pencil tie shoe laces add and subtract
or I at least they were schooled to
My little grandchildren may not..
Ed


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