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chris08876

Mar 8, 2019 5:14 AM

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chris08876

Mar 8, 2019 10:39 PM

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mrnyc

Mar 12, 2019 10:11 AM

the post goes after the nytimes re hy subsides:

https://nypost.com/2019/03/11/the-ne...rds-subsidies/

chris08876

Mar 13, 2019 11:08 PM

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jamesinclair

Mar 14, 2019 3:52 PM

NYT review is out. A lot of the points were brought up a decade ago but ignored because BIG AND SHINY IS GOOD.

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And while those apartment buildings look to be less enormous than the supertalls that have gone up so far, stepping down toward the river, the whole site lacks any semblance of human scale. With its focus on the buildings’ shiny envelopes, on the monotony of reflective blue glass and the sheen of polished wood, brass, leather, marble and stone, Hudson Yards glorifies a kind of surface spectacle — as if the peak ambitions of city life were consuming luxury goods and enjoying a smooth, seductive, mindless materialism.

It gives physical form to a crisis of city leadership, asleep at the wheel through two administrations, and to a pernicious theory of civic welfare that presumes private development is New York’s primary goal, the truest measure of urban vitality and health, with money the city’s only real currency.

The triumph of this view is a consequence of government’s dwindling capacity to plan, build or repair anything significant itself. City Hall, which demonstrates no grasp of urban design, doesn’t do planning, vaguely requiring half the acreage at Hudson Yards be open space but leaving Mr. Ross to decide what that means.

He hired architects at Kohn Pedersen Fox, the global firm, to come up with a masterplan but clearly they just did what he wanted, starting with the design of a superblock along 10th Avenue.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...yards-nyc.html

As a public space, it does suck. The grand central park is a roadway median that will be surrounded by triple parked ubers.

Skyguy_7

Mar 14, 2019 5:28 PM

^ Are there any NYT reviews of the development by non-Marxists?

jamesinclair

Mar 14, 2019 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8505722)

^ Are there any NYT reviews of the development by non-Marxists?

I didnt realize Marx wrote about the interaction of public space and development. Do you have any xamples to share?

Crawford

Mar 15, 2019 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesinclair (Post 8505838)

I didnt realize Marx wrote about the interaction of public space and development. Do you have any xamples to share?

What exactly are you talking about? The references were obviously to the tiresome, irrelevant class warfare tropes dominating the article. Stupid attempts at trying to be the AOC of the design world, rather than actually reviewing the complex's architectural merits. As if we didn't know that the folks working at investment banking HQ in 80 floor towers were higher earners than those working at the Dollar Tree in Youngstown, OH.

The silliest part was the praise lavished on Rock Center, when Rock Center was basically a mass-clearance of poors, back in the day when there was basically no land use process or tenants rights. Also the crying about subsidies when the sixth avenue EL was demolished and rebuilt underground due to the Rockefellers. And Rock Center was hated when first built, excoriated by critics.

Crawford

Mar 15, 2019 9:14 PM

Per Wikipedia, the general reviews of Rock Center upon completion. It was considered, to put it kindly, absolute trash:

"Daniel Okrent writes that "almost everyone" hated the updated plans. The renowned architectural scholar Lewis Mumford went into exile in upstate New York specifically because the "weakly conceived, reckless, romantic chaos" of the plans for Rockefeller Center had violated his sense of style. Mumford's commentary provoked a wave of blunt, negative criticism from private citizens; newspapers, such as the New York Herald Tribune; and architects, including both Frank Lloyd Wright and Ralph Adams Cram, whose styles were diametrically opposed to each other. The New York Times took note of the "universal condemnation" of the proposal,"

chris08876

Mar 16, 2019 1:45 AM

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mrnyc

Mar 16, 2019 11:08 AM

for opening day yesterday i walked around after work. i came from grand central and it was strange to be on the 7 train at the last stop with lots of people on it as normally no one goes to hy. well thats about to change lol.

then getting out it was weird to see the construction fencing down and all the openness after so long. its not often a whole neighborhood opens up in a day.

it was stunning to see the towers up close and the vessel thing is just enormous, much larger than i thought and it looks just stunning up close.

the mall is a mall, but it has what i believe these days they call a nicely 'curated' variety of high end shops and restaurants. who knows how well it will do, but you can't say they didn't try. there were dj's and flash mob dance performances inside and out and all in all it was quite a nice opening day celebration.

if you go, for right now there is nothing to do but look around or go in the new mall. the towers are still u/c and the shed performance center the observation deck are not open quite yet. the shed opens next month with performances. not sure when the observation platform opens, but i saw you can access it inside the mall. you will need to sign up for free timed tix to walk up on the vessel for a while they said so they can control the crowds.

after a look around i walked home on the highline. walking away i saw a large line on the street below the coach tower for what is supposed to be the spain version of eataly called mercado little spain.

mrnyc

Mar 16, 2019 11:25 AM

JMKeynes

Mar 16, 2019 12:05 PM

Did anyone snap photos of the water feature?

mrnyc

Mar 16, 2019 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 8507886)

Did anyone snap photos of the water feature?

i think you are referring to a fountain in the hudson yards neighborhood park area just north of this new railyards section? i don't think its turned on for the season yet, but it was on last summer.

i didn't see anything in the new area, but that does not mean there won't be something, it still a construction zone. i dk though.

fyi there is also a nice foot soak water feature of the highline park down near w15st for the summer months. its nice after all the hiking around.

streetscaper

Mar 16, 2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 8507886)

Did anyone snap photos of the water feature?

I went yesterday, it wasn't on. I actually almost forgot that that was coming.

The plaza was still a little bit raw. You can tell that they have not finished working.

JMKeynes

Mar 16, 2019 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by streetscaper (Post 8507898)

I went yesterday, it wasn't on. I actually almost forgot that that was coming.

The plaza was still a little bit raw. You can tell that they have not finished working.

Thanks, Street. I was referring to the long, curved waterscrim. I’m curious how deep it is and how strong its current is. I guess they’ll turn it on when it’s warmer.

mrnyc

Mar 17, 2019 4:11 AM

^ hmm, i didn't even notice that. there was a lot going on!

PhillyEngineer

Mar 17, 2019 9:22 PM

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BXFrank

Mar 17, 2019 10:56 PM

Quick pic I took from the westside highway

https://flic.kr/p/2f9qLWo

dropdeaded209

Mar 20, 2019 9:39 AM

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

streetscaper

Mar 20, 2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

Can't tell if being sarcastic, but new york already had multiple Uniqlo's before this one... check, Google Maps, they are all throughout the suburbs too.

Crawford

Mar 20, 2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

Uniqlo has been in NYC for around 15 years. And this shopping complex is about as nice as any on the planet.

chris08876

Mar 20, 2019 8:41 PM

360 video, can click and move around.

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patriotizzy

Mar 21, 2019 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

Huh? Seems like you need a nap buddy :haha:

mrnyc

Mar 21, 2019 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

nyc has a bunch of uniqlo's already, including the first global flagship shop that opened in soho in 2006.

aaaand i can't believe i just looked that up and wrote that lol.

chris08876

Mar 22, 2019 3:22 AM

The mall will feed on the surrounding population/projected workforce/business population (which will have money), but most importantly, tourists.

BBMW	Mar 23, 2019 6:57 PM

NYC has had a Uniqlo for quite a while now.

Edit: Someone beat me to it. I guess I shouldn't just snapshoot replies

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

jsbrook

Mar 24, 2019 11:02 AM

I thought this was somewhat harsh: https://www.dezeen.com/2019/03/19/hu...GPJjMoBecJ3XqQ Is Hudson Yards human-scaled and welcoming like Tribeca? No. It doesn't have its charm. Does it have that bucolic allure of Upper Fifth Avenue or Central Park West? No again. It wouldn't be where I'd live. But it is it's own thing. It is somewhat awe-inspiring in its scale and ambition, does incorporate green space, and will draw toursists and revenue and residents to the city. It is a small slice of New York. Not everything has to be the same or appeal to all walks of life. Sheesh. I will definitely check it out when I'm back in NYC in a couple weeks.

cjreisen

Mar 25, 2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dropdeaded209 (Post 8512097)

that is one sad-looking mall, but thank goodness new york finally got a Uniqlo... overall a pretty depressing spectacle SHOP SHOP SHOP

Maybe it looks sad in pictures, but in person the experience I think is quite pleasant, I prefer it to Columbus Circle. Definitely has this vibrant feeling which is nice.

mrnyc

Mar 25, 2019 10:38 AM

^ hmm, i prefer columbus circle. its much more open. hy is more of a typical, familiar mall.

cuozzo chimes in for the people lol:

https://nypost.com/2019/03/23/the-ar...rds-all-wrong/

NYguy

Mar 25, 2019 4:41 PM

^ It's what I've been saying basically.

From that article...

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how come Hudson Yards is full of smiling, selfie-snapping strollers who can’t get enough of the place? The No. 7 subway line, which was often near-empty west of Times Square, is so crowded since the complex opened March 15 that it could do with more trains. Everyone’s clamoring to climb The Vessel, restaurants are full and seven floors of stores both expensive and cheap are teeming with shoppers and browsers.

If history teaches us anything about new urban architecture, it’s this: Ignore the critics and follow the crowds. New Yorkers love most every new project that’s sneered at by architecture snobs.

Meanwhile, glad the next phase of this park is finally moving forward.

https://therealdeal.com/2019/03/25/t...hts-for-tower/

Tishman Speyer’s park gift will give developer air rights for tower
Purchase of property housing auto-shop will ultimately benefit office project

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March 25, 2019

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Tishman Speyer quietly bought a run down auto-shop last week, and plans to build an elaborate park on the city’s Far West Side.

In return, the city awarded the developer unspecified air rights for a planned office tower that is slated to be built on the same block, next to the Jacob Javits Center on 11th Avenue, according to the New York Post.

Tishman Speyer, led by Rob Speyer, paid $20.14 million for the park site, a two-story warehouse at 527 West 36th St. It will be redeveloped as a park, and help build out a planned greenway to span West 33rd and 39th streets. It will be built over rail yards currently occupying the site.

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The area was renamed Bella Abzug Park last week, changed from its initial name, Hudson Yards Park. Tishman Speyer reportedly received the air rights under a city incentive known as the District Improvement Bonus, which aims to encourage development in the Hudson Yards District.

In September the city said it planned to spend $374 million developing the park — more than $124 million per acre.

Tishman Speyer hasn’t filed any plans for the tower next to the park, but in 2016 the company said the development would span 1.3 million square feet and contain retail. It would be Tishman Speyer’s second tower the developer has built in Hudson Yards, where it plans 4 million square feet.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/24/tishma...la-abzug-park/

Tishman Speyer’s secret purchase paves way for expanded Bella Abzug Park

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By Steve Cuozzo
March 24, 2019

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Tishman Speyer, which plans a massive new building across from the Javits Center on Eleventh Avenue, is set to deliver a gift to the city — and receive a gift in return.

The developer last week quietly bought 527 W. 36th St., a two-story auto repair building, for $20.14 million, city Finance Dept. records revealed.

The unpublicized purchase is tiny by Manhattan standards. But it paves the way for the next segment of lushly landscaped Bella Abzug Park, which was renamed from its original Hudson Yards Park last week.

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The company led by Rob Speyer will raze the small building. It will then construct a greenway between West 36th and West 37th streets and west of 10th Avenue. Park segments between West 33rd and West 36th streets are already open.

The completed park, which is being built one block at a time, will end at West 39th Street.

The new section will replace a current eyesore of sunken rail tracks and empty lots.

In exchange, Tishman Speyer is to receive as-yet unspecified air rights from the city to put up a tower on the same block, which is bounded by Tenth and Eleventh avenues and West 36th and 37th streets.

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“Tishman Speyer is building and paying to construct the park,” Department of Parks spokeswoman Crystal Howard told The Post.

“As part of the Hudson Yards zoning framework, Tishman Speyer will receive development rights for their contribution.”

She said that the city will pay for yet-to-come park segments between West 37th and West 39th streets “unless another developer chooses to similarly perform an in-kind contribution.”

Tishman Speyer held off on buying 527 W. 36th St. until a park design by landscape architects Michael Van Valkenburgh Associates was approved by the Parks Department and other city agencies.

The developer will turn the completed park over to the city. Its construction cost is unknown. Work is to start late this year or early in 2020.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...trip=all&w=915

In this photo I took from the Vessel last week, you can see the building, right on target to be demolished, Robert Moses style...

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NYer34

Mar 25, 2019 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NY Post (Post 8517717)

Tishman Speyer’s secret purchase paves way for expanded Bella Abzug Park

That's too bad. The old building they want to extinguish is kinda nice.

Would make for a more interesting park feature if they rehabbed it into a bar / cafe, with outdoor seating around it.

Better than the monotony of granite-pavers-and-benches that is Bella Azbug Park.

Much as I think Van Valkenburgh was innovative 10 years ago, he's beginning to feel a bit like a ubiquitous one-horse pony. Preserving that building as a restaurant would've given the park a little bit of a refined, Old World / European feel...

Crawford

Mar 26, 2019 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYer34 (Post 8518260)

Preserving that building as a restaurant would've given the park a little bit of a refined, Old World / European feel...

Because nothing says "Old World European feel" like a two floor taxpayer with an auto body shop.

Hopefully, Tishman Speyer will redeem themselves. They were originally awarded the West Side Railyards, but withdrew during the last recession, and Related replaced them. They better bring their A game and give NYC a new West Side landmark.

mrnyc

Mar 26, 2019 9:31 AM

definitely agree on the sterile monotony of the park space, but that little building is not the antidote. i dk what the answer to that is, but for now gaining a little more park is better.

giantSwan

Mar 26, 2019 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYer34 (Post 8518260)

Ha, I'm all for preservation in the right circumstances. But that shitty old autobody shop? Come on...

The space could be much better utilized both architecturally and using the 3d nature of NYC space.

mrnyc

Mar 29, 2019 1:18 PM

this morning

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NYguy

Apr 1, 2019 4:57 PM

MARCH 3, 2019

The open p[aza...

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More Vessel pics here...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...23#post8526023

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NYguy

Apr 2, 2019 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8517717)

https://therealdeal.com/2019/03/25/t...hts-for-tower/

Tishman Speyer’s park gift will give developer air rights for tower
Purchase of property housing auto-shop will ultimately benefit office project

https://s14.therealdeal.com/trd/up/2...-1-650x405.jpg

March 25, 2019

Tower related to the park...

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NYguy

Apr 2, 2019 6:52 PM

https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.c.../hudson-yards/

A 1910 packing plant subsumed by Hudson Yards

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April 1, 2019

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For more than a century, the two-story building at 527-531 West 36th Street held its own with its neighbors in this once-industrial part of Manhattan—away from more traditional retail stores and apartment buildings in the far west 30s.

It’s an unusual survivor that looks a lot older than records reveal.

Apparently constructed by 1910 (though one 1902 newspaper article said it was supposed to have five stories), the brick building has large arched windows and ornamental trim on the second floor.

One of its earliest occupants was a fruit packing plant; another business was Rohe and Brothers, a wholesale beef and pork provisions company.

It makes sense that Rohe operated here; West 36th Street is three blocks from what used to be known as Abattoir Place because of all the slaughterhouses that turned cattle brought to the West Side via rail or ferry into beef.

A milk distributor and pasteurization company operated here in the 1940s. Soon the food packers and distributors were replaced by auto body businesses, like Steven and Francine’s, whose sign hangs on the building’s boarded-up second floor.

Recently, this humble holdout in the shadow of Hudson Yards’ steel and glass luxury towers was sold to Tishman Speyer for $20 million. The real estate developer plans to turn the site into a park in exchange for air rights for another office tower going up next door.

It’s one of the last remaining vestiges of the far west 30s (at the recently named “Hudson Boulevard”) on the fringes of Manhattan. But it won’t be here much longer.

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GertElim

Apr 5, 2019 11:56 AM

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GertElim

Apr 5, 2019 11:58 AM

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mrnyc

Apr 7, 2019 1:14 PM

edit

Busy Bee

Apr 7, 2019 1:50 PM

I;d love to see an image auto-resize feature on this message board. This is nuts.

mrnyc

Apr 7, 2019 2:07 PM

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I;d love to see an image auto-resize feature on this message board. This is nuts.

i know! no idea wat happened. i just resized them to 800x600 in pb. there is usually a slight delay, but it should take hold in a bit. if not ill delete it.

pb is really aggravating, but unfortunately once you’re in they got you.

GertElim

Apr 25, 2019 9:40 AM

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GertElim

Apr 26, 2019 7:45 AM

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NYguy

May 4, 2019 3:07 AM

https://www.6sqft.com/art-center-nea...-for-new-park/

Arts center near Hudson Yards faces demolition from city to make way for new park

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MAY 3, 2019
BY DEVIN GANNON

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...As 6sqft learned last September, the city’s plan to expand the Hudson Yards park from West 36th to West 39th Street will be the city’s most expensive park project ever, originally dubbed Hudson Park and Boulevard, with a price tag of roughly $374 million. In March, the city renamed the park, of which the first phase opened in 2015, in honor of late U.S. Representative of New York, Bella Abzug.

The second phase of the project involves the city preparing to use eminent domain to build the three-acre addition of green space. According to THE CITY, there are 10 properties on the city’s condemnation list, including Hillman’s arts center.

According to Hillman’s attorneys, the city could take over the building as early as this fall. Hillman, who has owned the arts center for 15 years, said he knows it will be difficult to stop the city. But he remains optimistic. “If we’re not bold and hopeful, nothing will happen,” he told THE CITY. “We have to be hopeful and move forward as though we’ll be here.

Lincoln Patel, a lawyer for the Hudson Yards Development Corporation, a group overseen by Mayor Bill de Blasio, told THE CITY: “The city will work with displaced businesses to help find them suitable places to relocate. This park has been planned for over a decade and will provide much needed public open space.”

Earlier this year, developer Tishman Speyer bought a two-story auto repair shop on West 36th Street for $20 million. The company plans to demolish the building to make way for the Bella Abzug Park, and in exchange receive air rights from the city to build a tower bounded by Tenth and Eleventh Avenues.

https://thecity.nyc/2019/05/free-bui...ts-center.html

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The owner of a Manhattan arts complex says he’s willing to give away the cultural institution to save it.

William Hillman’s Affirmation Arts, which sits in the path of a planned Hudson Yards park and roadway expansion, faces the wrecking ball, along with nine other nearby properties. He says he’d gladly hand over his building to the city — on the condition it remain intact as a cultural center.

“I would like to give this building to the people of New York City to share with the world,” the artist and philanthropist testified Tuesday at a hearing on plans to condemn his West 37th Street property to make way for the last phase of a park and boulevard north of Hudson Yards.

Hillman would not say how much he expected to get for his renovated, three-story 1920 structure, should the city seize it as planned. But he told THE CITY Thursday donating the building would be “by far the greatest philanthropic gift” of his lifetime.

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A Hudson Yards Development Corporation lawyer said the agency is “open to all discussions and proposals,” but left little hope that Affirmation Arts could be saved – at least in its current spot between 10th and 11th avenues.

“The city will work with displaced businesses to help them find suitable places to relocate,” said the lawyer, Lincoln Patel. “This park has been planned for over a decade and will provide much needed public open space.”

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Besides Affirmation, which is in the way of the planned extension of Hudson Boulevard, properties on the condemnation list include an 11-story hotel, multiple auto repair shops and a car service.

chris08876

May 17, 2019 8:03 PM

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Watch EarthCam's 4K time-lapse movie to see construction progress for Hudson Yards in New York City. From December 2012 to March 2019, EarthCam’s cinema-quality gigapixel cameras documented each stage of Hudson Yards, the largest private real estate development in the history of the United States. More than 3 million megapixel photographs and 500,000 hours of imagery were archived, including ultra-widescreen panoramic views of Manhattan cityscape.

chris08876

Jul 29, 2019 4:52 PM

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