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KevinW Mar 7, 2021 1:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9208448)
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Doug, if you don't like a topic it doesn't mean that others don't find it interesting.

KevinW was right to call you out on your snide remark about the possiblity that circus paintings were incorporated into the Beckman Furs sign.

I fully expect that you will now attack me. Instead, you could start a discussion on a subject that you find interesting. That would be most welcome.

Thanks Doug.


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And thanks Ethereal for clearing that up.

CityBoyDoug Mar 7, 2021 3:12 AM

Cross dressing car promoter goes to jail for fraud
 
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03...5078857773.jpg
Interwebs

LA's greatest car is soon to be on TV.

DALE the one prototype car was a hurry up job with a plywood door.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03...5080760303.jpg
Dale car

More here about scammer car promoter.....https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/202...e-family-death

She was born a male Jerry Dean Michael in 1927 Indiana and spent ''her'' life doing many scams while posing as a female. She finally ended up in Dale, TX of all places.

CityBoyDoug Mar 7, 2021 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9208448)
.
Doug, if you don't like a topic it doesn't mean that others don't find it interesting.

KevinW was right to call you out on your snide remark about the possiblity that circus paintings were incorporated into the Beckman Furs sign.

I fully expect that you will now attack me. Instead, you could start a discussion on a subject that you find interesting. That would be most welcome.

Thanks Doug



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Thanks ER for completely misunderstanding my comment. I never made any ''snide'' remark about circus art, which I like very much.

https://i.redd.it/0nuga2kesoy11.jpg
https://i.redd.it/0nuga2kesoy11.jpg
Dale.

BTW.....ER, would you drive a DALE?

CityBoyDoug Mar 7, 2021 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9209381)
"I do miss the Bastille-castle-like old Hall of Records (almost as much as the Richfield tower). But the odd angle because of the old street layout got in the way of the civic mall plans, and maybe it was not up to seismic codes, so it had to go I suppose. Still, I miss it. At least we still have the Daily Planet, I mean City Hall."

I wish they would design and build buildings like that these days. Every year I am increasingly disgusted by what passes as architecture.
In fact it seems more like a race to the bottom. Uglier and uglier buildings, constructed out of the cheapest material, with the minimalist of design and effort.
And somehow people, not only accept these "buildings", they actually seem to like the laziness and lack of taste for some reason.

/rant. :tantrum:

Hello Sakhal. Let me tell you something. Its very dangerous to say you dislike something in LA on this site. You will soon be attacked by several people and from all sides. Good luck and welcome to NLA.

ethereal_reality Mar 7, 2021 5:35 PM

deleted.

I give up.

BDiH Mar 7, 2021 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9209834)

LA's greatest car is soon to be on TV.


I prefer the Muntz Jet as, "LA's greatest car." (Ask Cheryl Crane)

Lwize Mar 8, 2021 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9209916)
Hello Sakhal. Let me tell you something. Its very dangerous to say you dislike something in LA on this site. You will soon be attacked by several people and from all sides. Good luck and welcome to NLA.

The opinion of one.

CityBoyDoug Mar 8, 2021 12:59 AM

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CaliNative Mar 8, 2021 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 9210209)

I prefer the Muntz Jet as, "LA's greatest car." (Ask Cheryl Crane)

"Madman" Muntz was quite a character. "Crazy" Eddie back east stole his act in the 1980s, but I think got in trouble for something. The idea being they were so crazy they would sell you stuff for nothing. In his ads Madman Muntz wore a Napolean hat. I think Muntz sold early T.V. sets as well as cars. Maybe somebody can post some old Muntz ads/stories. His stores did well for a while, but then didn't. I think the Muntz stores were gone by the late '50s. "Crazy" Eddie stores went bye bye in the late 1980s or early '90s.

Mister_Vintage Mar 8, 2021 2:58 AM

Pacific Electric streetcar hugs the coast of Huntington Beach, running parallel to the Pacific Coast Highway (1946)

[Photo by Phillips C. Kauke]

https://www.instagram.com/forgottenmadness_la/

https://i.imgur.com/n5zFbeJ.jpg

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Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)

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As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures.

Photo from @lapubliclibrary

https://www.instagram.com/forgottenmadness_la/

https://i.imgur.com/TLXJQUo.jpg

===========================

During the summer of 1977, Rochester House was given one last hurrah when it was featured in Disney's "Return from Witch Mountain," the sequel to their extremely popular 1975 hit "Escape to Witch Mountain."


https://www.instagram.com/forgottenmadness_la/


https://i.imgur.com/KN9gsWV.jpg

BDiH Mar 8, 2021 3:09 AM

Quote:


=========================================

Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)
——

As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures.

There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building and one in Las Vegas that Mrs. Cobb opened herself.

Mister_Vintage Mar 8, 2021 5:59 AM

This is an odd one:

image source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMI1Yz0rdAV/

https://i.imgur.com/fq9h6Jo.jpg

riichkay Mar 9, 2021 7:46 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
UCLA/Adelbert Bartlett papers

"Tree house of Amos Aspey, civil war veteran, near National Military Home, Pacific branch, Sawtelle, Cal. House contains, parlor, bedroom, kitchen, roof garden, and is piped with water and gas. Stairs lead up to house. House is built in a eucalyptus tree".

Photo is undated, given the children's attire I would guess '20's-'30's.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Even considering the laissez-faire tenor of the times, I would imagine Building & Safety had some concerns over this kind of structure.


Using the original image (https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandor...bartlett%3A149) I zoomed in on the house to the right of the tree house property, it shows that house number as 1106....you can see a "2" as the last digit of the subject house (the rest of the number is obscured by the tree) but I would guess that house number is 1102....I assumed that these properties were across San Vicente Blvd. from the V.A. grounds, and the only street with an 1100 block opposite the V.A. is Barry Ave., which runs basically n/s until it intersects Kiowa Ave., just off the corner of San Vicente....so I pulled up 1102-06 Barry Ave..... 

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

I think the house may have been at this corner.


In my view the sidewalk somewhat matches, with an uphill grade coming off the corner.... 

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



I took the Googlemobile a little to the left and looked through the trees lining the V.A. grounds, and this building appears...


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


Possibly the same roofline?....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


The 1900 census found the Aspey's in the gold mining boom town of Victor, CO., his occupation was shown as "brick maker"....both the 1920 and 1930 census show Mr. Aspey residing at the Veteran's home at the V.A., so I don't think he lived at the home with the tree house.....possibly he befriended whoever lived there, and walked over from the V.A. to build the thing, maybe spent his days in the tree.

More detail on Pvt. Aspey....from findagrave.com...

"Age 20 years enlisted October 1, 1861 mustered in November 20, 1861 as Private with Co. B. 65th Ohio Infantry mustered out March 23, 1862 at Nashville Tennessee. Re-enlisted October 7, 1864 as Private with Co. F. 71st Ohio Infantry mustered out on October 16, 1865.

Event Type: he was age 21 years married Martha L. Stacey (bn. abt. 1847) on October 25, 1866 at Stark County Ohio....https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3686252/amos-aspey"


He died on 6/3/1930, age 89, and is buried at the L.A. National Cemetery...

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


His wife died 6 months later.....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

The death certificate was signed by her son-in-law O.B. Wright, as per the '30 census she was living in the Wright home at 1444 Appleton St. when she took her life.  


The couple may have been out here as early as 1886/87, as an "Amos Aspey" purchased a lot in Coronado....it's also possible they bought the lot from back east, sight unseen....of course it could be a different Amos Aspey.... 

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



Mr. and Mrs. Aspey were predeceased by 4 children....they lost two sons, age 15 and 10, in Colorado, in the year 1898...the 10 year old, Harry, was killed when a team of horses bolted...

CRIPPLE CREEK MORNING TIMES
August 16, 1898

A Little Boy Killed. - A frightful accident occurred at 10:30 yesterday morning on Straub mountain, resulting in the death of the 10 year old son of Amos Aspey. Mr. Aspey, accompanied by the boy, Harry, went after a load of wood. While coming down the steep grade near Dutch town, Mr. Aspey got off the wagon to clear some obstructions out of the road. The team took fright and ran away. The boy was thrown from the wagon bed and the hind wheel passed over his head, crushing his skull in a horrible manner.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 11:54 AM

"There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building..."

What?! Citation needed! :???:
That's my old neighborhood, and somehow I've never heard that.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 11:58 AM

Thank you C.B. Doug for the kind welcome/warning.
As I've had to accept years ago, if I can dish it, I should be able to take it.
At the very least, I promise that I wont cry in front of anyone.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 12:09 PM

Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)

——

"As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures."

Photo from @lapubliclibrary

https://www.instagram.com/forgottenmadness_la/

https://i.imgur.com/TLXJQUo.jpg

Speaking of what I consider to be lost treasures of L.A. This photo reminded me of one of my many heartbreaks. What I knew as Molly's at the corner of Selma and Vine. SMH. And seeing what they replaced it with. *sigh*

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 12:55 PM

Good morning everyone. I wanted to lead with an apology if this has already been posted, however, as has been discussed a few times, searching this thread is rather hit or miss.

Anyway, I was recently looking up something about L.A.'s history that turned into something of a multi-part rabbit hole, and ended up researching something else completely unrelated:


"Murf the Surf"
Jack Roland Murphy was born in Oceanside California in 1937 and moved to Miami in 1955. Apparently he made a name for himself as a surfer.

In 1964 he was involved in the largest jewel heist in U.S. history.
It seems that he was also involved in assaulting and robbing Eva Gabor.
in 1965 he was sentenced to only 3 years in prison.
Apparently he was out of prison by 1967.
There was a movie made about the heist in 1975.

That same year (1967) two secretaries for the firm Rutner, Jackson & Gray, (Terry Rae Frank and Annelle Marie Mohn) apparently stole about $500,000 (almost $4 million today) in stocks and fled to Hollywood Florida where they fell in with "Murf the Surf". It would seem that things did not go well, as they were both found at the bottom of Whiskey Creek with weights tied around their necks.
In 1968 Murphy was involved in the robbery of a socialite named Olive Wofford.

in 1969 Murphy pleaded not-guilty by reason of insanity for the murder of one of the secretaries (Terry Rae Frank), he was sentenced to life with hard labor. He was given an additional life sentence, plus 20 years for the robbery of Olive Wofford.

He only served 17 years. :hell:

Apparently he claimed to have found Jesus, and after he was released (after only serving 17 years :hell:), he found a new, legal con, and became a minister. (because of course he did).
It seems he made quite a comfortable living bible-thumping until he died just a few months ago, this past September.

I stumbled on this story because the two secretaries who were murdered were working in the Fine Arts Building on 7th street downtown. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...os_Angeles.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...os_Angeles.png

Noir_Noir Mar 9, 2021 1:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9211606)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
UCLA/Adelbert Bartlett papers

"Tree house of Amos Aspey, civil war veteran, near National Military Home, Pacific branch, Sawtelle, Cal. House contains, parlor, bedroom, kitchen, roof garden, and is piped with water and gas. Stairs lead up to house. House is built in a eucalyptus tree".

Photo is undated, given the children's attire I would guess '20's-'30's.


Using the original image (https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandor...bartlett%3A149) I zoomed in on the house to the right of the tree house property, it shows that house number as 1106....you can see a "2" as the last digit of the subject house (the rest of the number is obscured by the tree) but I would guess that house number is 1102....I assumed that these properties were across San Vicente Blvd. from the V.A. grounds, and the only street with an 1100 block opposite the V.A. is Barry Ave., which runs basically n/s until it intersects Kiowa Ave., just off the corner of San Vicente....so I pulled up 1102-06 Barry Ave..... 

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

I think the house may have been at this corner.


Amos wasn't in the best of shape in 1913.

https://i.imgur.com/FRJZkIp.jpg
Congressional Serial Set


He appears to have come round somewhat by 1919 and wants to get motoring - a miscreant named Morrison intervenes. :(

https://i.imgur.com/8EZ8QbW.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald, 22 February 1919


Perhaps Amos gave up on the driving lark and decided to build a tree house instead. It's up by 1923 at least.

https://i.imgur.com/mvAwFJE.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - San Bernardino Sun, 21 November 1923



This is the corner at Barry Ave./Kiowa Ave./San Vicente Blvd in 1927.

https://i.imgur.com/28L9zz7.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

No sign of the tree house tree or the houses in the picture at that stage.

Maybe cleared in the preceding four years. :shrug:

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 1:55 PM

https://i.imgur.com/mvAwFJE.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - San Bernardino Sun, 21 November 1923



"This is the corner at Barry Ave./Kiowa Ave./San Vicente Blvd in 1927."

https://i.imgur.com/28L9zz7.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

"No sign of the tree house tree or the houses in the picture at that stage.

Maybe cleared in the preceding four years.
" :shrug:

I wonder if it was the area across the street, with all of the trees, just to the left and slightly down from the circled area. That is also on Barry Ave.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 9, 2021 2:21 PM

As a follow-up from my previous post:
I pulled up the Sanborn map for that intersection from 1924. It would seem that in that era, the street numbers were different. According to the Sanborn map, the addresses along Barry Ave from Kiowa to Goshen are numbered in the range: 2102, to 2130.


https://www.loc.gov/resource/g4364sm...,0.298,0.111,0

riichkay Mar 9, 2021 6:02 PM

Sakhal, given the aerial photo and your info on the historic street numbering I think it's likely I have the wrong corner....so it's now officially a "mystery location".

Martin Pal Mar 9, 2021 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9211646)
"There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building..."

What?! Citation needed! :???:
That's my old neighborhood, and somehow I've never heard that.

_________________________________________________________________


It was there for awhile in 1987, but didn't last very long.

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...BlaFv0Yy.s.jpgHollywood Photographs


1986: A year earlier it was a Howard Johnson's.

https://na-st01.ext.exlibrisgroup.co...2OZCZ36VGVASIA

Snix Mar 9, 2021 8:43 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...724d09cb_z.jpg
Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, 1987
(California State Library)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9211646)
"There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building..."

What?! Citation needed! :???:
That's my old neighborhood, and somehow I've never heard that.


Snix Mar 10, 2021 12:44 AM

I am researching an artist named Leonard Del Sonno AKA Leonardo Del Sonno who had a studio at 3319 Sunset in Silver Lake starting in 1958. I found someone by the same name on findagrave who died in 1981 but could not locate an obit on Del Sonno.
He did these outlandish chalkware table lamps, but had some other wild decor on display in his shop window. Any leads would be appreciated. Thank you.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...nardo-delsonno

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2be66494_b.jpg
1973 Ed Ruscha/Getty
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3da5d2a1_b.jpg
Etsy
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ec246c24_z.jpg
Etsy
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3082c8d6_b.jpg
Ebay
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...476c170c_z.jpg
Monrovia Daily News-Post 11/14/46

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 10, 2021 2:19 PM

Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9212025)
Sakhal, given the aerial photo and your info on the historic street numbering I think it's likely I have the wrong corner....so it's now officially a "mystery location".

I ended up spending more time than I perhaps should have studying both photos, as well as looking at the historic aerials, the sanborn maps, G.S.V. and even eventually the topographical maps. (I'll explain my specific reason for that last area of study).

I think the lighter photo is an earlier photo. I came to that conclusion due to the growth at the top of the tree, and I noticed in what I'm calling the darker photo, there is a birdhouse/mailbox (?) type of wooden object next to/behind the young boy in that photo that is missing in the lighter photo.

Another thing that struck me about the darker photo is the drop off from the bottom step that the young girl is standing above. It seems like quite the cliff face there, exposed roots and all. Then after looking closely at the rest of the cobble-stone wall, I got the impression that the sidewalk may have been recently regraded. That got me to thinking. So I looked at the topo. map and moved west to where about I was guesstimating the 1000 block would have been in that era. I ended up zoning in on the intersection where "Montana Ave." and "Bringham Ave." meet.
Just a hunch. It would seem that sometime in the 1920's Montana Avenue was graded over some kind of ditch or depression. I am also of the suspicion that the Spanish-style building that can be seen in the distance in the darker photo is one of the buildings at the VA Hospital, however it's hard to tell. I wasn't able to match it exactly to any existing building that I could see, however it does look to be similar in style to the rest of the remaining buildings.
So at best, I've got a wild guess, stemming from a hunch that was based on speculation.:shrug:
I've done more with less.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 10, 2021 2:34 PM

From this knowledge junkie: Thank you everyone.
 
Thank you Martin Pal and Snix.
I am still somewhat surprised that I'm somehow only just now finding out about The Brown Derby being in the old Melody Lane building.
Then again, that's why I've spent the past 10 years lurking on this forum.
I thought that I knew quite a bit about L.A.'s history, however I have learned so much from everyone here.
Years ago I attempted to collect the information that I was learning from this site, so that I could create some kind of history database. However I quickly learned that there is SO/TOO much information to keep track of.
Also, trying to save each photo and organize them became something of a nightmare.
I had it in mind that I was going to try to organize all of the information into some sort of Los Angeles history wiki.
It became too daunting, too quickly.

I suppose that's a rather long-winded way for me to say:
"Thank you everyone!".

GaylordWilshire Mar 10, 2021 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9212150)
It was there for awhile in 1987, but didn't last very long.

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...BlaFv0Yy.s.jpgHollywood Photographs


1986: A year earlier it was a Howard Johnson's.

https://na-st01.ext.exlibrisgroup.co...2OZCZ36VGVASIA

A proposal for the H&V BD was seen here in a 2014 post of ER's:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=20619


https://i.postimg.cc/XYjqy06Y/BD-Hand-V-bmp.jpg

BDiH Mar 10, 2021 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9212900)


I had it in mind that I was going to try to organize all of the information into some sort of Los Angeles history wiki.
It became too daunting, too quickly.

I suppose that's a rather long-winded way for me to say:
"Thank you everyone!".

I can assure you that there is much more Hollywood history that has not been noted here on Skyscraper and elsewhere. So many side streets and structures that were never photographed or recorded in print have been lost to time. Personal memories disappear each time we lose a native son or daughter.

Flyingwedge Mar 11, 2021 3:45 AM

Amos Aspey's tree house
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9211606)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
UCLA/Adelbert Bartlett papers

"Tree house of Amos Aspey, civil war veteran, near National Military Home, Pacific branch, Sawtelle, Cal. House contains, parlor, bedroom, kitchen, roof garden, and is piped with water and gas. Stairs lead up to house. House is built in a eucalyptus tree".

Photo is undated, given the children's attire I would guess '20's-'30's.


Possibly the same roofline?....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



There is also a photo of the tree house at the Santa Monica Public Library. It says the tree house was on Barrington, but that didn't
look quite right.

Could Amos' tree house have been on the SE corner of Federal and Rochester Avenues? Assuming for the moment that the UCLA
photo looks east, compare it with this May 2019 GSV looking east at the above-mentioned corner. Federal slopes downhill to the
right/south like in the UCLA photo. Also, east of Federal, Rochester has a short, slight rise, then it dips down, like in the UCLA photo.

At the left center edge of the UCLA photo close-up directly above, we see a house in the distance with what I guess are three attic
vents arranged in a triangle. If you look at 11504 Rochester on GSV, the house (built 1929) seems to have the same attic vents,
windows, and roofline we see in the close-up (not including the darker roof circled in red).

riichkay Mar 11, 2021 8:19 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Flyingwedge, here is the S.M. Library photo of which you speak, it's dated 1915 and as you say the caption locates it on Barrington Ave....could that be Ol' Amos up on the roof?

Re a positive location i.d. on this one, the assumption I made was that the buildings in the background left on the UCLA image were on the V.A. grounds....in the sliver we see of these structures they seemed to me of an institutional type and height, and not single family residences....so I thought the tree house property was hard by the V.A.....I could be way off on this, maybe they are SFR's, if so it throws the location open to the Brentwood streets further west, including Barrington Ave.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

In the UCLA photo here is the house to the right of the tree house property, I thought this would be our best clue....I read the number as 1106, but as Sakhal has pointed out the historic Sanborn maps do not show any street with an 1100 block adjacent or close to the V.A. grounds....

As you are aware all the east-west streets in this part of Brentwood are in the 11000+ blocks, I should know, over the years I lived in the 11700 block of Goshen Ave., the 11800 block of Kiowa Ave., the 11700 block of Sunset Bl., among other Brentwood locations....what I am thinking is looking at this street number it looks like it was set in an arc-type pattern....the natural progression would have another numeral, maybe that number fell off, and this house is actually in an 11000 block....if that helps us at all.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 11, 2021 9:13 AM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...476c170c_z.jpg
Monrovia Daily News-Post 11/14/46[/QUOTE]

Before this thread drifts along too much farther, I wanted to acknowledge Snix's inquiry out of courtesy.
I did try to find some information about Leonard Del Sonno/Leonardo Del Sonno.
I came up empty-handed. I even tried alternate spellings (Delsonno, etc.). Nothing.
Or, nothing more than what Snix has already discovered.
I wonder if "Leonard(o) Del Sonno" was his real name.
Ancestry.com seemed to have a few hits on that name, but I wasn't going to sign up for a membership just to answer that question.

:shrug:

As an addendum, I did find a single mention of "Roger Merrill Lamps"
"General Desk Book...: Office of Price Administration":

"5158-RogerMerrill Lamps, Los Angeles, Calif.
Order No. 5158 established maximum prices for sales and deliveries of cast
plaster stone, handpainted, horsehead table lamps and oblong parchment
shade, model No. 215 manufactured by the applicant, of $16.67 to jobbers
and $19.61 to retailers by the applicant, and $35.30 to consumer by any
person* (Issued 9-9-46)."

https://books.google.com/books?id=OR...mps%22&f=false

CaliNative Mar 11, 2021 12:55 PM

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CaliNative Mar 11, 2021 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9212886)
I ended up spending more time than I perhaps should have studying both photos, as well as looking at the historic aerials, the sanborn maps, G.S.V. and even eventually the topographical maps. (I'll explain my specific reason for that last area of study).

I think the lighter photo is an earlier photo. I came to that conclusion due to the growth at the top of the tree, and I noticed in what I'm calling the darker photo, there is a birdhouse/mailbox (?) type of wooden object next to/behind the young boy in that photo that is missing in the lighter photo.

Another thing that struck me about the darker photo is the drop off from the bottom step that the young girl is standing above. It seems like quite the cliff face there, exposed roots and all. Then after looking closely at the rest of the cobble-stone wall, I got the impression that the sidewalk may have been recently regraded. That got me to thinking. So I looked at the topo. map and moved west to where about I was guesstimating the 1000 block would have been in that era. I ended up zoning in on the intersection where "Montana Ave." and "Bringham Ave." meet.
Just a hunch. It would seem that sometime in the 1920's Montana Avenue was graded over some kind of ditch or depression. I am also of the suspicion that the Spanish-style building that can be seen in the distance in the darker photo is one of the buildings at the VA Hospital, however it's hard to tell. I wasn't able to match it exactly to any existing building that I could see, however it does look to be similar in style to the rest of the remaining buildings.
So at best, I've got a wild guess, stemming from a hunch that was based on speculation.:shrug:
I've done more with less.

Agree. The tree growth appears to be at least 10-15 years past the 1923 photo (even though euc.s can grow fast). The attire on the kids could be 1930s, even 1940s. As to a location, no clue.

odinthor Mar 11, 2021 2:04 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/LsP0rDf3/Aspey-LAT-24-4-14.jpg
LA Times, 4/14/1924

https://i.postimg.cc/JnP3gHTQ/Aspey-LAT-24-4-14b.jpg
LA Times, 4/14/1924

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 11, 2021 3:15 PM

Quite the elusive treehouse.
 
"One Hundred and Ninth Street near Santa Monica Boulevard."
Hmmm, now I'm really confused. Do those two streets intersect somewhere?

And, now to add even more confusion...
According to the 1920 census, it seems that Amos Aspey was residing at 2406 Rochester Ave. (I don't think that address is correct either.)
Not that I'm paranoid, but I'm beginning to think that someone's just messing with us. /s

Copy of the 1920 census:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...BnFST9Qyq7BNjC

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...2N7aUq6PQim0GI

I tried creating a Google Photos page to upload the photos, however, apparently it wont actually upload them. It will let me post a link to them.

The first one is a close-up of line 68, and the other is the entire sheet.
I got this copy of the census from:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...3A1%3AMHQ6-5PF

I also noticed that as I thought, the sidewalk was regraded at some point.
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...sCBgRYgNzUXUYD

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...F9vf9mfixtmr1u

In the 1930 census, (taken a few months before he died) he's listed as living in the "National Military Home", apparently with a bunch of other veterans.
Additionally, according to the 1910 census, from Haynes Neb. his wife was living with him (Martha L. Aspey 62 from Ill.) and a daughter (Pearl Aspey 37 Kansas).
So far, I haven't been able to find out much about Pearl Aspey.

Noir_Noir Mar 11, 2021 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9214753)
"One Hundred and Ninth Street near Santa Monica Boulevard."
Hmmm, now I'm really confused. Do those two streets intersect somewhere?


It should be "Avenue" instead of "Street".

Then you get -

https://i.imgur.com/d9YtpPM.png
rescarta.lapl.org



I think Flyingwedge's suggestion of the SE corner of "Federal and Rochester Avenues" is right.


From the 1927 aerial it's the corner along Federal (109th) Ave. that fits with the pictures.


A tree right at the corner and two small houses close together.


https://i.imgur.com/Dd1mfte.jpg
dl.library.ucla.edu
mil.library.ucsb.edu



Where the tree house would have been on the 1924 Sanborn map.


https://i.imgur.com/FK6OZVZ.jpg
loc.gov

odinthor Mar 11, 2021 4:27 PM

:previous:

And here's a little more on 109th:

https://i.postimg.cc/hGbxNQC5/Aspey-LAT-25-3-27.jpg
LA Times, 3/27/1925

riichkay Mar 11, 2021 6:41 PM

S.E. corner of Federal and Rochester is correct....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

I thought there was a chance that this was "1406", and not "1106"....and recall that a "2" is visible as the last digit of the tree house property, initially I figured that street number as 1102.


Turns out that the subject properties were in the 1400 block of Federal Ave....I ran 1402 Federal Av. on Building and Safety's site, this came up, dated 1932, two years after Mr. and Mrs. Aspey died....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


Great work by all in solving the puzzle.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 11, 2021 7:29 PM

Infamous Amos:
 
I had way too much fun with this, that is to say, just the right amount.
:goodnight:

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 11, 2021 9:07 PM

Another time, perhaps.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9209708)
Mostly agree. Some modern and post modern has been fairly well done, like the Library (U.S. Bank) and Wilshire Grand. As I have said before, would love to see a noirish "neo" art deco or "neo" gothic tower(s) in DTLA that replicated the beauty of the Richfield, Empire State or Chrysler buildings. Why should these beloved styles go away forever? More spires, not just boxes now that the heli landing pad law has been removed I believe. Super tall would be nice, but even 700 footer would be great. L.A. probably would have had a pre-1950s if not for the 150 foot height limit that restricted height until the late 1950s. City Hall got an exemption in the 1920s, and the decorative spires of Richfield and Eastern Columbia (the cool blue tower) and a couple of others also were allowed to go higher (Richfield almost 400' to the top of the spire). On the other hand, if buildings were made more costly to build, might get fewer built since the economics and financing wouldn't pencil out. More better designed buildings with affordable materials hopefully.

What I feel when I see what used to be:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/78/b8...7af1b31297.png

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 11, 2021 9:57 PM

Speaking of how quickly things change, or how many times, here's what the V.A. grounds looked like ca. 1892:

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/201...407f664a8b.jpg

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 12, 2021 10:14 AM

Ghosts of Tinseltown - Myself Included
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 9214244)
I can assure you that there is much more Hollywood history that has not been noted here on Skyscraper and elsewhere. So many side streets and structures that were never photographed or recorded in print have been lost to time. Personal memories disappear each time we lose a native son or daughter.

I used to live in some historic, (or perhaps more appropriately described) notorious buildings in Hollywood.

For example, I used to live in the Canterbury Apartments at Cherokee and Yucca. Bing Crosby lived there in 1930. And, from what I've read, it was quite the hotspot during the height of the punk era (late 70's - early 80's).
Oh, and one of the people involved with the Urantia Book (Harold Sherman) lived there. As well as many other, shall we say, interesting characters.

One of my favorite pastimes was going for a late night walk up and down the side streets, (I usually kept north of the boulevard though), or up to Whitley Heights. I would often stop and look around and either reminisce on the stories that I knew, or would wonder about the countless stories that have slipped through the cracks of time.

Frank Baum owned a house that used to be across the street from the Canterbury, (before the Canterbury was built), called Ozcot. He died there in 1910. It was torn down in the early 50's and replaced in '55 by a yellow shoebox.


https://na-st01.ext.exlibrisgroup.co...2OZCZ36VGVASIA
https://na-st01.ext.exlibrisgroup.co...2OZCZ36VGVASIA

Ozcot:
https://calisphere.org/crop/999x999/...d6f7a22002afb9
https://calisphere.org/crop/999x999/...d6f7a22002afb9

The nondescript pale blob to the left in this photo is the building that replaced Ozcot.
https://la.streetsblog.org/wp-conten...ikes-only.jpeg
https://la.streetsblog.org/wp-conten...ikes-only.jpeg

BDiH Mar 12, 2021 6:09 PM

Quote:


Sakhal Nakhash

For example, I used to live in the Canterbury Apartments at Cherokee and Yucca. Bing Crosby lived there in 1930. And, from what I've read, it was quite the hotspot during the height of the punk era (late 70's - early 80's).
Oh, and one of the people involved with the Urantia Book (Harold Sherman) lived there. As well as many other, shall we say, interesting characters.

One of my favorite pastimes was going for a late night walk up and down the side streets, (I usually kept north of the boulevard though), or up to Whitley Heights. I would often stop and look around and either reminisce on the stories that I knew, or would wonder about the countless stories that have slipped through the cracks of time.

Small Town Hollywood

Dixie Lee lived at the La Leyenda, around the corner on Whitley, when she was dating Bing Crosby, who was performing at the Café Montmartre on Hollywood Boulevard.

Ava Gardner lived at the Canterbury in the early 1940s. My mother was walking under her kitchen window on Yucca one evening and heard her and Mickey Rooney in a screaming match. I sat with Mickey behind Musso & Frank one evening shortly before he died and pointed at the Canterbury and asked him if he remembered that apartment building.

Mickey once said, "Hollywood has unfortunately become a memory. It's nothing but a sign on the side of a hill."

KevinW Mar 12, 2021 11:06 PM

https://southbay.goldenstate.is/wp-c...ge-concept.jpg
So my newest project is a documentary about the Palisades Del Rey/Surfridge area. Over the next few months I'll be interviewing experts and am getting permits to go in and shoot the butterfly count in late June/early July. If anyone knows anyone or anything they think I should be aware of, do let me know.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 13, 2021 12:36 AM

As time goes by.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 9216045)
Small Town Hollywood

Dixie Lee lived at the La Leyenda, around the corner on Whitley, when she was dating Bing Crosby, who was performing at the Café Montmartre on Hollywood Boulevard.

Ava Gardner lived at the Canterbury in the early 1940s. My mother was walking under her kitchen window on Yucca one evening and heard her and Mickey Rooney in a screaming match. I sat with Mickey behind Musso & Frank one evening shortly before he died and pointed at the Canterbury and asked him if he remembered that apartment building.

Mickey once said, "Hollywood has unfortunately become a memory. It's nothing but a sign on the side of a hill.
"

La Leyenda was right behind the Canterbury. My apartment windows looked out onto the small courtyard between the buildings. I thought the back of La Leyenda looked rather picturesque in the evenings when it was lit up by the setting sun.

I had no idea about Ava Gardner living in the Canterbury. Now I'm very glad that I mentioned it. I learned something new.

"Hollywood has unfortunately become a memory. It's nothing but a sign on the side of a hill."
I suppose that's all it was ever meant to be, the rest was just imaginations run wild.

Even though the Canterbury was run down, I loved the ambiance of the place. I used to hang out on the fire escape on Yucca and watch all the random activity on the street below.
It was better than t.v.
With the history and the general feeling of the place, it was like living in a noir film.
I half expected to see the ghost of Philip Marlowe lurking around the joint.

I just hope that I don't live to see them tear it down.

Engineeral Mar 13, 2021 12:37 AM

1935 Daytime Video Wilshire Boulevard
 
Just posted on March 11, 2021 so I hope this is fresh to readers here:

https://youtu.be/ViNoQd4OaIo

https://i.imgur.com/ZqIjlqi.jpg

BDiH Mar 13, 2021 3:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash
I just hope that I don't live to see them tear it down.

So far, so good. It survived a major fire in 1987.

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 13, 2021 10:45 AM

A hot time in the old town in 1987
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 9216558)
So far, so good. It survived a major fire in 1987.

I read about that some years ago. What I find odd, is that for some reason the folks over at the L.A. Times seem to have had the misconception that the Canterbury was built in 1905. Twice they made the statement that the building was 82 years old in 1987. My understanding that that the building would have been about 60 years old in `87. :dunno:

From the L.A. Times: 06/17/1987
"Sprinklers ’99% Installed’ at Time of Apartment Fire
By KENNETH J. FANUCCHI
JUNE 17, 1987 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
Emergency fire sprinklers that city officials had ordered installed earlier this year were not hooked up when a Sunday morning arson blaze forced almost 400 residents to flee a Hollywood apartment complex, authorities said.

A senior inspector for the city Building and Safety Department, Domingo Sauceda, said an inspection in February, 1986, revealed that required safety equipment had not been installed at the Canterbury Apartments, 1746 N. Cherokee Ave.

Sauceda said the building’s owner, Daniel Wiener of Newport Beach, had been given a year to install the equipment. When an inspection last month showed that the equipment still had not been installed, a hearing was set for today before a city attorney’s hearing officer to determine why the order had not been followed, Sauceda said.

Nearly Completed

Wiener said the fire safety work was just short of completion. “We have paid for the work,” he said. “My guess is that any delay probably resulted from a lot of work being done in the fire safety area.”

Sauceda said the sprinklers appear to be “99% installed . . . including the installation of a (water) meter for the sprinklers and a water supply main. We want to determine why the system was not connected.

“Had the sprinklers been working,” he said, “it would have helped contain the fire, although probably not dramatically.”

Besides a sprinkler system, Sauceda said, Wiener had been ordered to install smoke detectors and fire doors that close automatically to halt the spread of flames. Sauceda said that equipment was operational and “worked beautifully.”

Sauceda said Wiener is scheduled to appear in Los Angeles Municipal Court on Thursday on two misdemeanor charges for failing to install sprinklers at another apartment complex he owns at 756 S. Normandie Ave.

Deadline Not Met

Failure to comply with an installation order carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $1,000 fine, officials said.

“The work has been done,” Sauceda said of the Normandie apartments, “but he failed to meet the deadline and we have no authority to withdraw the charges.”

Wiener declined to discuss the case.

No one was injured in the fire at the Canterbury Apartments, which caused an estimated $75,000 damage to the structure and $325,000 damage to the contents, fire officials said.

Sauceda said most of the fire damage was confined to the fourth floor, but that there is extensive water damage throughout the building. The fire was started on the roof of the 90-unit structure, fire officials said.

Time for Repairs

Sauceda said that it will take about two weeks to repair the damage so that at least some of the residents can move back into their apartments.

The 82-year-old building was one of the first large apartment complexes in Hollywood. It was closed in 1979 by the Building and Safety Department after numerous arson fires and years of disrepair had turned it into a dilapidated slum. It reopened after a major face lift in 1980.

A Red Cross spokesman, Ralph Wright, said 170 of the displaced residents stayed overnight Sunday and Monday in a temporary shelter operated by the Red Cross in the Hollywood High School gymnasium. The shelter is expected to remain open through tonight.
"

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...496-story.html

"JULY 1, 1987 12 AM PT
The city attorney’s office filed criminal charges against the owner of a Hollywood apartment house that was set afire June 14. Dan Wiener, of Newport Beach, was charged with 11 misdemeanor counts of failing to install an automatic sprinkler and provide a night fire watch person in the 90-unit Canterbury Apartments, 1746 N. Cherokee Ave. None of the estimated 350 to 400 residents were injured in the arson fire in the four-story, 82-year-old building. The city Building and Safety Department had given Wiener a year, which ended Feb. 18, to complete the improvements. Trial was set for July 23 in Municipal Court. The maximum penalty for each misdemeanor is a $1,000 fine and six months in jail."

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...582-story.html

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 13, 2021 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Engineeral (Post 9216468)
Just posted on March 11, 2021 so I hope this is fresh to readers here:

https://youtu.be/ViNoQd4OaIo

https://i.imgur.com/ZqIjlqi.jpg

Thank you. That went into my favorites list.

CaliNative Mar 13, 2021 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Engineeral (Post 9216468)
Just posted on March 11, 2021 so I hope this is fresh to readers here:

https://youtu.be/ViNoQd4OaIo

https://i.imgur.com/ZqIjlqi.jpg

I watched the entire video. Thanks for finding and posting it. Nothing like a video--you feel you are right in that 1935 traffic. The little details--the fully uniformed gas station attendent checking on a car. Don't see that today! Some of the drivers were as bad as today. Some of those old cars would be worth fortunes today. To do list...invent a time machine.


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