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ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 12:28 AM

:previous: Rufus Brown was a BRAVE man.

sopas ej May 17, 2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5701769)
sopas: After poking around a bit this morning--well, more than a bit (it's a rainy day here in NY)--I found that the Ralphs in Tension was the one at 3465 W. 6th St.... which is the well-known and still-extant Chapman Park Market. It turns out that the Chapman building on the north side of 6th between Alexandria and Kenmore was a Ralphs in 1949.

I guess I owe you a burger at the Apple Pan. :) I've always liked their hickory burgers. I haven't been there in a number of years now, though.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Pico_Blvd.JPG
Wikipedia

GaylordWilshire May 17, 2012 12:55 AM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...holecovers.jpgjericl cat

Sometime in the '80s, I think it was, New York City began using new manhole covers, many still in place, which caused some xenophobic comment at the time... including my own, I suppose. It didn't really bother me that the city bought the lids from overseas--but I wondered why it couldn't have stipulated in the contract that they not read "MADE IN INDIA." Only recently have I noticed that L.A. has their own versions. Not sure when they first appeared.


:previous:

sopas: Neither have I. Next time I'm out there, I'll call you to collect that hickory burger.

ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 1:18 AM

High Tower Drive 1931. Garages below....apartments above....via elevator.

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/5417/aa...ive1931usc.jpg

from my original post dated May 2010 (along with contemporary photos of the High Tower elevator).
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1229

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I accidentally came across a modern day equivalent of the High Tower elevator.

At first I noticed what looks like a bluish bridge crossing Silverwood Terrace (I've circled it in red).

http://imageshack.us/a/img440/9716/1...erwoodterr.jpg
google aerial




below: In this closer view, the mystery 'bridge' doesn't cross Silverwood Terrace after all....it traverses private property.

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/9716/1...erwoodterr.jpg
google aerial detail



So I grabbed a 'google observation car' and headed down Silverwood Terrace. I came across this tiny garage at 1750 Silverwood Terrace.

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/9716/1...erwoodterr.jpg
google street view


and just to the right of the garage is this separate entrance...

http://imageshack.us/a/img225/9716/1...erwoodterr.jpg
google street view


..at the base of this vertigo inducing elevator!

http://imageshack.us/a/img152/6918/a...50silverwo.jpg


Pretty amazing isn't it. I was flabbergasted!

Wasn't there an easier way to reach this property? -like a road at the top-
Also, who plots out these ridiculous parcels of land?

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ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 1:56 AM

Here's an interesting, and quite romantic, description of the old High Tower apartments.

http://imageshack.us/a/img98/4937/aa...chaelconne.jpg
http://www.michaelconnelly.com.au/photo_echotower.html

fhammon May 17, 2012 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5703529)
High Tower Drive 1931. Garages below....apartments above....via elevator.

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/5417/aa...ive1931usc.jpg

This is very, very cool

ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 5:28 AM

:previous: Indeed it is! and it's still in use fhammon.

fhammon May 17, 2012 5:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5676991)
This place is quite cute. Notice the 'open' sign shaped like a pig. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img21/1643/70622542.jpg
google street view

If truth be told, I'm more of a Los Angeles Pueblo-file than a Noirist but I've found a happy home here because I dearly love Old Los Angeles and there's more Noir here now, today than a long gone crumbling adobe village to enjoy. I can mostly only visit the old pueblo of Los Angeles in books and faded photos.

I brought up the subject of Nicks Cafe at 1300 North Spring Street across from the old train yard now called The Cornfield.
The sign at Nicks says since 1948. I think I have proof of that little building from 1924. Lookie here. Here's a photo from (supposedly) 1924 showing the old train yard with the footbridge. I've drawn an arrow mid-photo pointing to the Nick's building followed by a modern Google photo of the same area with a crude arrow pointing to the same little building - I think:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nfield1924.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032359.jpg corn field 1924

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ZanjaMadre.jpg


I've also drawn in a crude caricature in the top distance of a water wheel to show approximately where water was drawn for the pueblo from the Los Angeles River via that method to feed the Zanja Madre or "Mother Ditch" to supply water to the village around the 1860s, being at higher ground, and have drawn thin black lines showing two routes the Zanja took over the years. The first being an open ditch running downhill more or less cutting straight across The Cornfield (probably inaccurate) and another enclosed in brick and buried up against the steep western slope which has recently been rediscovered and partially excavated and now stands revealed as a monument of sorts in the Cornfield Park.


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics20/00009662.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics20/00009662.jpg

It ultimately dumped water into a large brick and mortar cistern in the central Los Angeles Plaza where the band stand is now located seen to the far right in the first photo with the Plaza Church to the far left. Other ditches carried the rest of the water elsewhere as needed.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-2146?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1337231855130


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...88A3D4FE5?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1337231463910

http://waterandpower.org/museum/images/zanja_madre.jpg

Further reading on the Zanja Madre:
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Zanj...ueduct%29.html

ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 5:44 AM

:previous: - I think: You're right. :)

BifRayRock May 17, 2012 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5703180)
I've never noticed so many palm trees...they're lined up like soldiers.

Above the Ambassador, facing North on Vermont, ca. '40 Another view of soldier-palms?

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...2-10-ISLA?v=hr


Interesting obit for Dick Whittington who passed away in '85 at 89 years of age.: http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-...ngeles-theater Has a photo been posted of the man and his plane?

"In a career that lasted nearly 60 years Whittington, among other things, devised a mobile laboratory that made possible the transmission of the first photos of the Rose Bowl football game directly from the stadium to newspapers and wire services in the Midwest and East, captured the spectacle of the 1932 Olympics and the early air races that emanated from Mines Field, now Los Angeles International Airport, and sold sports and news photos to newspapers that their own cameramen had missed."


MichaelRyerson May 17, 2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5703564)
Here's an interesting, and quite romantic, description of the old High Tower apartments.

http://imageshack.us/a/img98/4937/aa...chaelconne.jpg
http://www.michaelconnelly.com.au/photo_echotower.html

The High Tower Apartments have a noir connection, too. They figure prominently in Robert Altman's 1973 remake of Raymond Chandler's The Long Good Bye with Elliott Gould assaying an extra laid-back Phillip Marlowe. They stand in as Marlowe's residence with the camera tracking through the property several times with the requiste kooky neighbors, his cat coming and going through an open window and a crew of baddies appearing at his door to deliver a noir beating. And yes, the elevator's featured too.

BifRayRock May 17, 2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5703322)

All of that water can ruin your whole day. Where's my umbrella?

North Hollywood apparently had more than its fair share too. According to the Museum of the San Fernando Valley, 1938 was a banner year. http://museumsanfernandovalley.blogs...hollywood.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Md9z_-LK7q...1265scaled.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Md9z_-LK7q...1264.scaledjpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Md9z_-LK7q...1259scaled.jpg

Colfax Ave bridge washout:
http://www.americassuburb.com/bridge.jpghttp://www.americassuburb.com


Yet, even though there seems to have been more than enough to go around on some days, it was never enough.

From the LA Times: June 18, 1911 LA Aqueduct:
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....duct10_970.jpg
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....duct15_970.jpg
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....duct22_970.jpg
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....educt8_970.jpg

Sylmar, November 5, 1913, Eureka!

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....educt1-930.jpg

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....educt2_970.jpg

westcork May 17, 2012 10:40 AM

I am not sure if this place has ever been mentioned here. It's the Santa Fe Hospital in Boyle Heights. Built in 1904 and rebuilt in 1924. Now Linda Vista Community Hospital.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-62GBjj0W6n...Hts%2B1925.JPG
Boyle Heights History Blog

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set262/card00201_fr.jpg
Card Cow

http://railwaysurgery.org/Hospitals_files/image004.jpg
Railway Surgery

Moxie May 17, 2012 1:25 PM

:previous:
An article I read yesterday about the future of the Linda Vista Community Hospital: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...192911064.html

BifRayRock May 17, 2012 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5559343)
That shot was taken from the retaining wall of the Union Station tracks, which overlooked Aliso Street (now overlooking the 101 freeway and El Monte Busway/San Bernardino Fwy. carpool lanes).

In fact, there's a photo posted on here with a locomotive that broke through it... here, from the LA Times archive:
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....hruwall970.jpg
. . . . .
Here's an aerial image of Union Station from 1940. That retaining wall is near the upper right-hand corner, where the curved ramp for the roof parking is. The old postcard photo was taken from there. The MWD headquarters building now occupies that site.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2...940uscarch.jpg
USC Archive
I remember that ramp. The MWD building was built in the late 1990s.
Undated photo
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032382.jpg
LAPL

A different angle and a different date. A '61 aerial looking NE- where some of the Noir veneer is wearing thin.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058391.jpg http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=60302

Hope no one minds, but here is a '24 aerial of the former Salt Lake Station in East LA, awfully close to the LA River. http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032396.jpghttp://photos.lapl.org




BifRayRock May 17, 2012 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5703500)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...holecovers.jpgjericl cat

. . . . Only recently have I noticed that L.A. has their own versions. Not sure when they first appeared.

Thank you for touching on this subject. Concern in the US regarding foreign made sewer covers had been voiced in the late '80s. Here is an article from 1990: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1069,1462217 Do you suppose US Foundries are still responsible for the structural steel used in buildings, bridges and rail systems?:rolleyes: Several books and blogs have been written on the subject of manhole/sewer covers. (e.g., http://www.magney.org/photofiles/Man...LosAngeles.htm and http://www.amazon.com/Manhole-Covers.../dp/0870931687)

Manhole cover theft is evidently a problem throughout the civilized world and that does not include dropping one on a foot. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan...nhole-20120124http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/...s-in-alhambra/

http://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...1203_0069a.gif
http://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...81203_0065.gifhttp://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...81203_0071.gifhttp://www.magney.org/photofiles/Man...lyHills-CA.htm

During the Second Great War, when iron was in short supply, Los Angeles, among other cities, employed wooden manhole covers. These were probably much easier to carve than their metal counterparts.

"Wooden manhole cover in Los Angeles County, California, circa 1942. Colonel Carl H. Reeves, superintendent of the Los Angeles County, California, Maintenance Department, lifting a wooden manhole cover into place. Treated to resist termites and decay, each wooden cover saved 500 pounds of metal and could be manufactured without the use of extensive fabricating equipment. A War Production Board (WPB) order prohibited the use of iron and steel for manhole covers."
http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch02.gif

http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch03.gif

http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch04.gif
http://www.sewerhistory.org/grfx/com...mhcvrhist3.htm


MichaelRyerson May 17, 2012 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5704103)
Thank you for touching on this subject. Concern in the US regarding foreign made sewer covers had been voiced in the late '80s. Here is an article from 1990: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1069,1462217 Do you suppose US Foundries are still responsible for the structural steel used in buildings, bridges and rail systems?:rolleyes: Several books and blogs have been written on the subject of manhole/sewer covers. (e.g., http://www.magney.org/photofiles/Man...LosAngeles.htm and http://www.amazon.com/Manhole-Covers.../dp/0870931687)

Manhole cover theft is evidently a problem throughout the civilized world and that does not include dropping one on a foot. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan...nhole-20120124http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/...s-in-alhambra/

http://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...1203_0069a.gif
http://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...81203_0065.gifhttp://www.magney.org/photos/Manhole...81203_0071.gifhttp://www.magney.org/photofiles/Man...lyHills-CA.htm

During the Second Great War, when iron was in short supply, Los Angeles, among other cities, employed wooden manhole covers. These were probably much easier to carve than their metal counterparts.

"Wooden manhole cover in Los Angeles County, California, circa 1942. Colonel Carl H. Reeves, superintendent of the Los Angeles County, California, Maintenance Department, lifting a wooden manhole cover into place. Treated to resist termites and decay, each wooden cover saved 500 pounds of metal and could be manufactured without the use of extensive fabricating equipment. A War Production Board (WPB) order prohibited the use of iron and steel for manhole covers."
http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch02.gif

http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch03.gif

http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...943_mhch04.gif
http://www.sewerhistory.org/grfx/com...mhcvrhist3.htm


'each...cover saved 500 pounds of metal'?? How? Manhole covers are seriously heavy but still, they can be moved by one man with a long-handled hook and some elbow grease. Are they suggesting manhole covers weighed 500 pounds?

ethereal_reality May 17, 2012 6:49 PM

Look at this amazing remnant of an old stone wall in the 1400 block of North Broadway.

http://imageshack.us/a/img402/5060/1...roadwayold.jpg
google street view

BifRayRock May 17, 2012 7:01 PM

^

BifRayRock May 17, 2012 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5704286)
'each...cover saved 500 pounds of metal'?? How? Manhole covers are seriously heavy but still, they can be moved by one man with a long-handled hook and some elbow grease. Are they suggesting manhole covers weighed 500 pounds?

Just a guess, but the weight estimate may have been factoring in some corresponding metal superstructure and mating surface that is typically embedded in the street with metal covers. The wooden cork versions do not look as though they used this setup.

http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/acn/8.gifhttp://www.sewerhistory.org/images/acn/8.gif


Or, possibly foundries used a very special top secret type of pig iron that was susceptible to evaporation when exposed to light? :shrug: :rolleyes:

I do understand that this is not LA related, but there may be a slight Noir factor. http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...1937_mid01.jpg http://www.sewerhistory.org/images/m...1937_mid01.jpg


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