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Flyingwedge Jul 10, 2014 7:38 PM

La France Apartments Part II
 
A few months ago I posted about the La France Apartments at 681 S. Burlington: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19837

Just the other day I stumbled across these unidentified photos at the CA State Library taken by William Reagh in 1963 and 1978, which I recognized as photos of the La France:

1978; some of the artistic detailing seems to have eroded (Wasn't a lot of that stuff stamped metal?):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...3A7DJT1KHN.jpg

1963; she'd been holding up the entrance since 1914:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8PIQSR3EK6.jpg

It had 117 rooms? That seems like kind of a lot, unless they were mostly studio apartments:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original
Los Angeles Times, July 5, 1914

CityBoyDoug Jul 10, 2014 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6649052)
We first visited Pierpoint Landing here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18159

Interesting before & after aerials courtesy of HossC here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18168


Here are a couple additional photographs from 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/162/2a1d36.jpg
ebay




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/683/da1724.jpg
ebay

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A tour of the harbor on this boat was lots of fun in the 1950s. My 5th grade class did the trip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps8c04bdf5.jpg
LAHC

oldstuff Jul 10, 2014 8:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6648143)
Truly a mystery.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...817/518a62.jpg
ebay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/269/f3cfd2.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...241/d18785.jpg
ebay

The connection to Los Angeles is quite interesting. I'm guessing Truly is an obsolete town.....long gone.
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postscript:
Here's 213 East 29th Street mentioned in the description, directly south of downtown Los Angeles.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/392/735311.jpg
GSV

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Truly Post Office was located in Montana, just southwest of Great Falls. The area is now part of Ulm, Montana. Harry Martin Joslin was the proprietor of a general store in Cascade County, which contained the Truly Post Office. Harry Joslin was born in Vermont on February 17,1863. A Great Falls directory shows him in 1908 as part owner of a grocery store in that city with an Ernest Downing.

He appears in the 1940 Census as being an owner of a store in Ulm.

The 1931 Great Falls city Directory lists Truly as a "discontinued Post Office" having been located 6 miles southwest of Ulm on the GNRY (presumably Great Northern) and 21 miles south of Great Falls. There was a postmaster appointed for Truly in 1884 and people living there under the name Truly in 1930, so it must have discontinued between the 1930 census and the date of the directory in 1931.

There is a Harry M. Joslin listed in the voter registrations as living in Los Angeles County in 1946. He would be 82. He also appears in the 1948 and 1950 voter registrations. The address listed is the same : 213 E. 29th Street. Harry M. Joslin died in Los Angeles County on May 3, 1952, hence the Los Angeles Connection. He is buried in the Ulm Cemetery in Ulm, Montana with two of his sisters.

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2014 9:22 PM

Thanks for clarifying oldstuff -so Harry Joslin left his gas station and general store and moved to L.A. in his twilight years.

-my apologizes for posting two Montana photographs on noirish Los Angeles.
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Tourmaline Jul 10, 2014 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6008578)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520PM.bmp.jpgIMDB

Notice the neon sign at the top of this shot from Gangster Squad...it's all you need to know.

Well, it was a snowy afternoon and I thought, how bad could it be, especially for someone interested in noirish L.A.? Excruciating is not too strong a word. It's a cartoon that goes off the rails in every direction. (Even the femme fatale is made to look like Jessica Rabbit.) About 2/3 of the way through a Carmen Miranda character made an appearance--one cliché too many. Along with others in the theater I groaned, and I got up and left (not the first to do so). But after discovering that I'd left my hat--I considered just leaving it--I went back to get it and decided to stay...and then the movie's biggest blunder of all appeared on the screen. It was a dying movie's desperate footage of a shootout in--guess where? Chinatown. Which reminded me to go home and watch an actual movie masterpiece again, not an all-around schlock job. The Mickey Cohen we've come to know here is nowhere in this film--nor is an even slightly deep hint of period L.A. feel.


I offer no opinion regarding GSquad or Mob City. (I admit being hyper-critical and biased in favor of the main character played by the city, "Los Angaleese.") FWIW, I happened across these few publicity stills featured in the LATimes. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...togallery.html If I did not know any better, LA and its inhabitants must have adhered to a very strict unwritten code of cleanliness. No bad hair days. All clothing, pressed and freshly laundered (between takes). All all ashtrays, bar rooms, gutters and tail pipes must have a fresh-as-a-daisy look, feel, smell and taste.

Aerosol Lysol only became available in '62. Fabreze in '98.
Were Lizabeth Scott's smokes filtered or unfiltered? :shhh:


Too colorful for noir?
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07567/t...-005/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07567/t...-005/1150/16x9




Former Bellflower JCPenny's in Slapsey's makeup. A little short on Wilshire lighting and I suppose it might have been nice to see the Dominguez and Wilshire-La Brea towers or the El Rey's marquee. :rolleyes: http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f0755c/t...-009/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f0755c/t...-009/1150/16x9


Park Plaza Hotel
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07559/t...1-010/600/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07559/t...1-010/600/16x9


"Some" building John Hamilton would have easily recognized. ("Great Caesar's ghost!")
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f0756a/t...-004/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f0756a/t...-004/1150/16x9



Mayor's Conference Room, City Hall
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07561/t...-007/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07561/t...-007/1150/16x9


The real and reel Lucy's El Adobe.
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07574/t...-001/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07574/t...-001/1150/16x9


Clifton's recreation of itself.
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07564/t...-006/1150/16x9 http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07564/t...-006/1150/16x9

The Tower Theater Interior designed to emulate Club Figaro.
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07570/t...-002/1150/16x9http://www.trbimg.com/img-50f07570/t...-002/1150/16x9

L. Scott '48
http://images.fineartamerica.com/ima...48-everett.jpghttp://images.fineartamerica.com/ima...48-everett.jpg

L. Scott '54
http://acertaincinema.com/wp-content...scott-1954.jpghttp://acertaincinema.com/wp-content...scott-1954.jpg

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2014 10:12 PM

:previous: Believe it or not, I just watched Gangster Squad for the first time a couple days ago Tourmaline.
The film had such a cartoonish look/feel I thought many of the locations were cgi or matte paintings (especially Slapsy Maxies).
..also, I didn't realize the rustic timber interior of Clifton's Brookdale was still intact.


Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6608477)
Back in 1926, the building next to the Gates was the Hotel Lee. It also appears that it was known as the Lee Building (see name at top).
The corner later occupied by Darms Market was the New China Cafe, complete with one of those once ubiquitous Chop Suey signs.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail




I thought I'd post this pc with HossC's photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/853/8eua.jpg
ebay

They could have used a person or two in that lobby pic.

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Tourmaline Jul 10, 2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6643564)

"The" sign generally touted as being the first in LA. (Address and date??)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyCekNQQsq...47-pacsign.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyCekNQQsq...47-pacsign.jpg

The Packard-neon discussion has raised my awareness of how many signs made use of "good-old" "high-wattage" and "heat-producing" incandescents. As anachronistic and environmentally detrimental it may be, compared to neon, are there any still-operating/operational large signs in the LA area that were originally conceived as incandescent and remain so? Even signs that are now using the incandescent blub replacements e.g., fluorescent or led? (The kind you could probably obtain from the studio rental store that was so recently at 900 N. La Brea? (The disappearance of that building may have gone unnoticed by most, but this type of loss adds up quickly and has a lasting effect. If not already, will this be another iconic building facade reproduced only at an amusement park appreciative of such designs? Will it be missed by only those who knew of its existence? http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22012 )





RIP
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...PREI93QJNN.jpg http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...PREI93QJNN.jpg

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2014 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6649760)
If I did not know any better (after watching GSquad), LA and its inhabitants must have adhered to a very strict unwritten code of cleanliness. No bad hair days. All clothing, pressed and freshly laundered (between takes). All ashtrays, bar rooms, gutters and tail pipes must have a fresh-as-a-daisy look, feel, smell and taste.

Your statement made me think of this series of 'litterbug' photos taken along Broadway, circa 1957.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/849/mspy.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2

-a slightly closer view.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/853/87ldz.jpg





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/841/6877u.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/l3s03.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2


come on...somebody pick this shit up.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/uzml.jpg
detail



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/vv7bz.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2


I wonder what the older gentleman is promoting at his card table.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/fp23z.jpg




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/829/8bct.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2


-additional descriptions of the photographs here:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/48095/rec/2

The way USC lists the locations is quite confusing.
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Tourmaline Jul 11, 2014 1:23 AM

Too much vérité may steal from the plot and Liz Scott's cameo.


1957 - Tin Can Beach, Orange County (posted recently here?) Out of state picnickers making a statement against home incineration? Protest on the low deposit bottles? >:koko:


Quote:

At 'Tin Can Beach' Orange County's 3-mile beach playground between Sunset Beach and Huntington Beach, summer's litterbugs have left annual 30 tons of empty cans, bottles, food cartons, paper plates, steak bones, corn cobs and old shoes. Photos show rusty 'path to the sea' through junk". http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/48085/rec/10
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...%20&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...%20&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...%20&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...%20&DMROTATE=0





Exchange Alley, Old Town Pasadena (Behind 45-47 E Colorado Blvd.)

Interesting spiral staircase reminiscent of so many seen in a Bunker Hill that no longer exists. Not the biggest fan of refuse . . . . .

Undated, including the refuse. http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...3/id/351/rec/3
http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0


Set dressers create character where it's needed?

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 6197406)


FredH Jul 11, 2014 3:27 AM

Miss Wiley with Willys-Knight car, 20 Oak Grove Avenue, Pasadena. 1924.


Nice car, nice looking girl from 90 years ago
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps0e75bd13.jpg
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2476/rec/1

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb55f3b60.jpg
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2476/rec/1


I couldn't find 20 Oak Grove Avenue. I think the numbering system has been changed.

Those Who Squirm! Jul 11, 2014 5:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6643278)
Los Angeles Pressed Brick Co. (no date)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128.../842/7vnw3.jpg
ebay

Anyone have an address?
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There is a Los Angeles Pressed Brick and Terra Cotta Company at 204 S. Broadway, listed in the 1894 directory. While one might suppose the cart could be elsewhere in the city, the three tall smokestacks suggest that this is indeed the factory in the background.

My word, what a lot of mules it takes to haul a wagon made of bricks!

Flyingwedge Jul 11, 2014 8:13 AM

Park Lane Apartments
 
The Park Lane Apartments -- and the top of its rooftop sign -- can been seen in the panorama of Vermont and 4th:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6517742)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6517918)

The current view looking west on 4th Street shows that the Park Lane Apartments (3333 W 4th St) and the church on the west side of New Hampshire are still standing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...VermontGSV.jpg
GSV

You can see the Park Lane in the distance, behind the Brynmoor (432 S. New Hampshire), in this 1927/28 photo looking north on New Hampshire from below 5th:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067315.jpg

North on New Hampshire from below 5th, 2014:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...9.jpg~original
GSV

Back to the Park Lane:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original
Los Angeles Times, February 20, 1927

1929:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../90365/rec/167

1929 entrance with wishing well:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original

1929 upper detail:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

1929 sign:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original

1931 sign:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/17850

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...6.jpg~original
GSV

Entrance; wishing well barely visible:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...8.jpg~original
GSV

Wishing well also visible from above:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...8.jpg~original
Bing

HossC Jul 11, 2014 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6644140)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...0/856/9ksd.jpg
Did Mr. Frost also have an office downtown?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6643432)

Charlie Frost organized the Los Angeles Pressed Brick and Terra Cotta Company in 1887. The company office was located at 204 South Spring Street until 1896, when it was moved to 119 South Broadway. In 1900, the office was moved to the Frost Building at 145 Broadway. The entire sixth floor of the Frost Building was where the company had its products showroom.

Here's an advertisement for the Los Angeles Pressed Brick Company from the February 1925 edition of 'Architect and Engineer' which I found in a book called City Center to Regional Mall: Architecture, the Automobile, and Retailing in Los Angeles, 1920-1950 by Richard W. Longstreth.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
books.google.com

Flyingwedge included pictures of the C.H. Frost/Haig M. Prince Building recently when writing about the Millar Block/Roanoke Building in post #20376. Here's another color picture from HDL that's dated 4/20/59. It shows the Prince Building and the Roanoke Building near the end of their lives.
NB. I've removed all the dirt from the sky.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceBuilding.jpg
Huntington Digital Library

HossC Jul 11, 2014 11:32 AM

Thanks for the postcard of the Hotel Lee, e_r.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6649860)

The sign says "Voters Register Here", although I don't know what they're voting for.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/LAVoters.jpg

oldstuff Jul 11, 2014 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6649712)
Thanks for clarifying oldstuff -so Harry Joslin left his gas station and general store and moved to L.A. in his twilight years.

-my apologizes for posting two Montana photographs on noirish Los Angeles.
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We had no way of knowing it was not LA county until I tracked down Harry Joslin. I started searching in Los Angeles. He did end up there, although buried in Montana.....

Earl Boebert Jul 11, 2014 4:11 PM

"The Rules of Film Noir," BBC documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGW-kW1AwW0

Haven't had a chance to watch yet, but looks promising.

Cheers,

Earl

oldstuff Jul 11, 2014 4:14 PM

[QUOTE=FredH;6648531]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality


Unlike Encino's Lang Oak, this Moreton Bay Fig tree in Santa Barbara is thriving, with a span of just under 200 feet!

[IMG
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/856/93vi.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/...961bd6c7_b.jpg

Now that is one hell of a beautiful tree ER - Wow! I think even GW would approve.

GW should not mind that one, since the only thing it blocks the view of is a freeway! It was brought to Santa Barbara by a seaman in 1876 and transplanted to its current location a year later.

ethereal_reality Jul 11, 2014 9:33 PM

Excellent post on the Park Lane Apartments Flyingwedge. I wonder at what point in time it lost it's rooftop sign?
I was half hoping to see it lying on the roof in disrepair.
It was good to see the La France Apartments as well.
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I know we've seen this panorama taken from the Hotel Lankershim.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/923/rec/1


While looking at it in detail, something caught my eye in the bottom right corner of the photo below.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/ltwh.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/923/rec/1




And what did I find? -two insanely placed incinerators!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/834/g8i9o.jpg

How could anyone in their right mind think it was a good idea to place an incinerator on the roof of a back porch..especially in a wooden tenement.
Weren't there city laws forbidding people from doing this? Until this photograph, I've only seen them in backyards.

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The architecture of the Hotel Rookwood is also interesting, with it's fairly unique side arches.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/bbqu.jpg
same panorama http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/923/rec/1

Design wise, I'm not sure what was gained by this. Was it purely ornamental?
It seems they gave up a lot of apartment space.
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We've covered gas holders (gasometers) on NLA almost as often as we've covered incinerators.
Despite that, I can't remember if there was a gas holder near Slauson and Western.
I tried to used historicaerials.com but it's not working on my computer (because of silverlight). Can someone look it up for me? (HossC :)) -thx.
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ethereal_reality Jul 11, 2014 10:09 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/840/awgt.jpg
ebay


1916 Los Angeles postmark
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/820/wqwm.jpg

HossC Jul 11, 2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651214)

We've covered gas holders (gasometers) on NLA almost as often as we've covered incinerators.
Despite that, I can't remember if there was a gas holder near Slauson and Western.
I tried to used historicaerials.com but it's not working on my computer (because of silverlight). Can someone look it up for me? (HossC :)) -thx.

Here's a view from 1954, and it looks like there were two large, cylindrical structures on S St Andrews Place, just above W 60th Street. Both are gone by 1972, although the outline of where the lower one once stood can still be made out. BTW, I use HA without Silverlight and it usually works fine for me.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...estern1954.jpg
Historic Aerials


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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 6650689)

"The Rules of Film Noir," BBC documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGW-kW1AwW0

Haven't had a chance to watch yet, but looks promising.

Cheers,

Earl

Thanks for the link, Earl. I've just watched the whole documentary. In the middle there's a guy called Neil Brand talking about the music in film noir. A few years ago I saw him giving live accompaniment to a talk on silent comedy, recreating the way the original audiences would've seen it - he was very good.

GaylordWilshire Jul 11, 2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651253)


Looks like the rear of the Daniel Murphy house at 2076 West Adams Blvd...


http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4...street1910.jpg


From your post 6450, ER!

Flyingwedge Jul 11, 2014 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651214)

We've covered gas holders (gasometers) on NLA almost as often as we've covered incinerators.
Despite that, I can't remember if there was a gas holder near Slauson and Western.
I tried to used historicaerials.com but it's not working on my computer (because of silverlight). Can someone look it up for me? (HossC :)) -thx.
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I remembered there were two gasometers in this 1929 photo, looking east on Slauson from about Alsace Avenue. Historicaerials.com just now seems to be restarting all its servers, but before they went down the 1954 photo showed the gasometers were at 60th and St. Andrews, which is a little southwest of the Slauson/Western intersection. They were gone by 1972 but you can still see their outlines in the historicaerials.com photo from that year. In the photo below, the large rooftop sign just to the right of Slauson is for the West Coast Mesa Theater, which was at 5807 Crenshaw, just south of Slauson:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/13073

West Coast Mesa Theater:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8707
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1035

GaylordWilshire Jul 11, 2014 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651214)
The architecture of the Hotel Rookwood is also interesting, with it's fairly unique side arches.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/bbqu.jpg
same panorama http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/923/rec/1

Design wise, I'm not sure what was gained by this. Was it purely ornamental?
It seems they gave up a lot of apartment space.


Are we sure the building with the arches is part of the Rookwood?



[QUOTE=oldstuff;6650694]
Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6648531)

GW should not mind that one, since the only thing it blocks the view of is a freeway! It was brought to Santa Barbara by a seaman in 1876 and transplanted to its current location a year later.

I'll let this one go...

ethereal_reality Jul 11, 2014 11:07 PM

:previous: You're right GW. It's the building next to the Hotel Rookwood.
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Hollywood Sports Garden planned for 3rd and Fairfax.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/m75b.jpg
http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...g_1938_Dec.pdf

This would have been an art deco lover's dream!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/856/hchw.jpg
http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...g_1938_Dec.pdf
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ethereal_reality Jul 11, 2014 11:31 PM

HossC and Flyingwedge, you just helped me solve a mystery.
Here's that 'milk bottle' I posted a couple weeks ago looking for the location. (note the gas holder at right)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128.../843/ypto0.jpg
ebay


Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6651274)
Here's a view from 1954, and it looks like there were two large, cylindrical structures on S St Andrews Place, just above W 60th Street.
Both are gone by 1972, although the outline of where the lower one once stood can still be made out.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...estern1954.jpg
Historic Aerials

It's actually visible in the photograph Flyingwedge just posted!

1929
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/820/oeoj.jpg
USC/originally posted by Flyingwedge

Pretty cool wouldn't you say?:) :)
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Flyingwedge Jul 11, 2014 11:35 PM

A little more gasometer detail
 
The 1927 Sanborn Maps show those gasometers southwest of Slauson/Western -- one was 300 feet high! (there's some overlap; the Compressor building is on both maps, but is labeled on only the lower one):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...2.jpg~original


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
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Flyingwedge Jul 12, 2014 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651348)
HossC and Flyingwedge, you just helped me solve a mystery.
Here's that 'milk bottle' I posted a couple weeks ago. (note the gas holder at right)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128.../843/ypto0.jpg
ebay

It's actually visible in the photograph Flyingwedge just posted!

1929
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/820/oeoj.jpg
USC/originally posted by Flyingwedge

Pretty cool wouldn't you say?:) :)
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Oh, so it's really the milk bottle you're interested in, not the gasometers? ;)

The bottle must have belonged to the Crescent Creamery as shown on the 1927 Sanborn Map below (by the 1950 map it had become Arden Farms). Ruthelen Street at top runs parallel to and between Gramercy and St. Andrews:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original
LAPL

ethereal_reality Jul 12, 2014 12:20 AM

:previous: That's great FW, now I have a name to go with the bottle. :) -Crescent Creamery Company.
(I'm surprised the milk bottle-water tower isn't designated on the sanborn map)
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By the way, I love gasometers, but that damn milk bottle was stuck in my craw.

GaylordWilshire Jul 12, 2014 12:38 AM

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047113.jpg


"Crescent Creamery" rang a bell:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13292

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7655

ethereal_reality Jul 12, 2014 12:50 AM

:previous: Now I'm embarrassed.
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Here's an exquisite interior. Hayes & Sanderhoff Buffet, 117 W. 3rd Street

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/834/o5291.jpg
ebay



reverse/with address
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/849/hii0.jpg
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HossC Jul 12, 2014 12:51 AM

It looks like Crescent Creamery became Arden Farms Inc as here's the milk bottle atop their building at 1900 W Slauson in 1932. The full photoset also includes pictures of their delivery trucks.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rdenFarms1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The sign on the side indicates that they were exclusive milk suppliers to the 1932 Olympic athletes.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rdenFarms2.jpg
Detail of picture above.

The 1932 CD lists the business at 1914 W Slauson as Western Dairy Products Inc. The Arden Farms Inc name first appears in the 1936 CD (below) and by 1938 the Western Dairy Products is only mentioned as a former name.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rdenFarms3.jpg
LAPL

I went back to the 1954 aerial, and judging by the shadow, I think the milk bottle is still there. The view below is a little closer than the one I posted earlier, but covers some of the same area.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...stern1954b.jpg
Historic Aerials

ethereal_reality Jul 12, 2014 12:55 AM

:previous: Oh, that's really cool HossC. The shadow of the bottle gave itself away.
-and it's still there as late as 1954.
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Those Who Squirm! Jul 12, 2014 1:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651214)
The architecture of the Hotel Rookwood is also interesting, with it's fairly unique side arches.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/bbqu.jpg
same panorama http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/923/rec/1

Design wise, I'm not sure what was gained by this. Was it purely ornamental?
It seems they gave up a lot of apartment space.

I don't think they gave up all that much apartment space; without the side arches a building of this size would have almost certainly needed a central courtyard, or at least a light well or two, considering that every room of any consequence would have to have one or more windows. A courtyard, or lightwells resulting in an "E" footprint would have taken at least as much space.

ETA: I see the building does have lightwells in addition to its unusual arches, but still. Without modern A/C any large hotel or apartment house probably needed as much exposure to light and air as possible.

ProphetM Jul 12, 2014 2:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651415)
:previous: Oh, that's really cool HossC. The shadow of the bottle gave itself away.
-and it's still there as late as 1954.
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It's still there in the 1980 aerial as well. The next one is 2003 and all the buildings are gone by then. There's a 1994 aerial in Google Earth. It's pretty fuzzy but I think the bottle is gone while the building is still there.

HossC Jul 12, 2014 2:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651253)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6651275)

Looks like the rear of the Daniel Murphy house at 2076 West Adams Blvd...

I think I'll agree with GW. Here's the house at 2076 West Adams in 1954, and the gardens seem to match the picture above. By a strange coincidence, this house is almost due north of the Crescent Creamery/Arden Farms Inc building, and both are nearly opposite an intersection with S St Andrews Place.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tAdams1954.jpg
Historic Aerials

I guess the house we're discussing is the one shown here in plot #223a. I wonder when S Manhattan Place was put through, because there's no sign of it on this 1921 map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tAdams1921.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 3:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6231488)
I've heard of a flea circus, but a mouse circus?

Los Angeles County Fair 1937
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/9660/lmvd.jpg
Herman Schultheis/found on an old cd of mine

...and not just any mouse circus, this is an international mouse circus!



1920 Parakeet amusements!
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics29/00064461.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics29/00064461.jpg


Shriner Circus is in town!:ohyeah

No date (probably late '20s early '30s.)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079017.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079017.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079016.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079016.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00078/00078990.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00078/00078990.jpg

Guessing Standard Air Lines is the Official Circus Air Lines!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079015.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079015.jpg


812 S. Broadway - Tightrope walker!

1928
http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015436.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015436.jpg

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 3:26 AM

Anyone recognize the Dellamore? It was evidently somewhere in LA. It has a nice sharpening wheel to sharpen carving knives. Blind mice beware!


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018552.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018552.jpg

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 3:32 AM

Doc's Super Service Station "3705" Shell and Richfield, under the same roof? Different pumps? I think I see Gilmore Blue Gas (Must be super) :shrug:

Undated
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020536.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020536.jpg

CityBoyDoug Jul 12, 2014 3:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6651551)

Shriner Circus is in town!


Parakeets goin round and round....oh dear? To me, this is a very sad photograph, very sad indeed.

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 3:58 AM

W. Parker Lyon's best laid plans.

Sad story of the Pony Express Museum that once resided in Arcadia.

From LAPL:
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W. Parker Lyon, former mayor of Fresno and founder of the Lyon Van and Storage Company, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars assembling artifacts for his Pony Express Museum of Wild West Relics (AKA Pony Express Museum). The museum contained stagecoaches, the remnants of the first jail built in Northern California, part of the barbershop where Mark Twain got his hair cut, and thousands of other unique and historic artifacts and documents. The complex located at 1150 Kewen Drive in San Marino in 1930, moved to six acres of Lucky Baldwin's Estate in 1935. In 1954, after Lyon's death, his son liquidated the property located at 140 West Huntington Drive in Arcadia, selling the land to developers and the museum to William Harrah (of Harrah's in Reno) who vowed to keep the collection intact. In 1986 Greg Martin bought the Reno museum that refused to sell three guns he wanted, and put all the other artifacts up for auction.


Looks like a great collection and a lot of fun!


All circa 1937

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020913.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020913.jpg

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020951.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020951.jpg


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http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020957.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020957.jpg


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Free Wigwag!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042671.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042671.jpg


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Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6244058)

1912
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics30/00049512.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics30/00049512.jpg



Unrelated question for those who frequent La Brea at or near Wilshire: I am told that the macadam has a series of parallel cracks for several blocks that strongly resemble the pattern of standard gauge street car tracks. Was there a street car line that ran on La Brea?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Pass_1944.jpg

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 4:41 AM

?????


1927 - Olga takes a lepard for a stroll on Broadway. (Note "2437")
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013841.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013841.jpg




Quote:

Art Murray, former Air Corps gunner behind wheel and Edward Kaufman, both of Denver, display an all aluminum coupe type convertible in North Hollywood. It is good for 100 miles per hour, weighs 1500 pounds, rides five inches off ground, has a nine foot wheel base and custom built body around four cylinder jeep engine back of driver's seat. Murray built it himself.
1947
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00112/00112693.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00112/00112693.jpg



Could have sworn we recently viewed the Park View Apartments. In this shot the view would be of a train exhibition at . . . Exposition Park.


1938
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033066.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033066.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033065.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033065.jpg

HossC Jul 12, 2014 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6651614)

1927 - Olga takes a lepard for a stroll on Broadway. (Note "2437")
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013841.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013841.jpg

I've wondered about Olga's story ever since I posted a different picture of her wheeling a leopard down Broadway in the second part of my round-up of Citizens Trust and Savings Banks a few months ago (see post #20784). Now that we have another picture, I thought I'd find a little more information.

The lady's name was Olga Celeste. She was born in Sweden on April 9, 1888, and despite her profession, lived until August 31, 1969. The following biography is from www.findagrave.com.

"Olga Celeste was famous in vaudeville and in the circus for her leopard acts. She performed daily with the Luna Park Zoo in Los Angeles from 1925 to 1931. She was the leopard trainer in the films "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) and "Tarzan and the Leopard Woman" (1946). She was known as Madame Olga Celeste and Princess Olga Celeste."

I also found a recently uploaded video on YouTube called Large cat trainer Olga Celeste celebrates a birthday with leopards in Los Angeles. The stills below are from that video. The first shows a close-up of Olga, and the second shows the party.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gaCeleste1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gaCeleste2.jpg
Both images: CriticalPast/YouTube

GaylordWilshire Jul 12, 2014 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6651559)
Anyone recognize the Dellamore? It was evidently somewhere in LA. It has a nice sharpening wheel to sharpen carving knives. Blind mice beware!


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018552.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018552.jpg


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAT March 4, 1906


Albert Dellamore was in plumbing and hardware—he built the building in the picture for his store at 839 W Washington (W. J. Little was the contractor)... seems it's a parking lot now. Under the awning you can barely see "A. Dellamore" on the glass.

Tourmaline Jul 12, 2014 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6651698)
The lady's name was Olga Celeste. She was born in Sweden on April 9, 1888, and despite her profession, lived until August 31, 1969. The following biography is from www.findagrave.com.

"Olga Celeste was famous in vaudeville and in the circus for her leopard acts. She performed daily with the Luna Park Zoo in Los Angeles from 1925 to 1931. She was the leopard trainer in the films "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) and "Tarzan and the Leopard Woman" (1946). She was known as Madame Olga Celeste and Princess Olga Celeste."


But try doing this with Parakeets!
http://www.erbzine.com/mag6/olga9.jpghttp://www.erbzine.com/mag6/olga9.jpg


http://www.erbzine.com/mag6/olga5.jpghttp://www.erbzine.com/mag6/olga5.jpg


Bringing Up Baby
http://www.tvweeklynow.com/images/90...0920061730.JPGhttp://www.tvweeklynow.com/images/90...0920061730.JPG

http://margaretperry.org/wp-content/...-and-nissa.pnghttp://margaretperry.org/wp-content/...-and-nissa.png



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ykDjWEEHIv...600/Scan-7.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ykDjWEEHIv...600/Scan-7.jpg

http://www.erbzine.com/mag6/olga1.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...PB7ltvTliIk0k8

Martin Pal Jul 12, 2014 5:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651326)
Hollywood Sports Garden planned for 3rd and Fairfax.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/m75b.jpg
http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...g_1938_Dec.pdf

This would have been an art deco lover's dream.
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That article does say: It has not been stated just when the work of construction will be begun.

Will be begun?

By the way E_R, does that PE Dec. 1938 issue say anything about Monkey Island? That's when it opened.

GaylordWilshire Jul 12, 2014 5:44 PM

:previous:

It would have been amazing had it been built. Looks like it was designed with the Pan-Pacific in mind...I thought maybe it was meant to be a more permanent replacement, but then there are these items...

A few items:


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3...2520PM.bmp.jpgVariety Jan 18, 1939


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M...more2compl.jpg LAT June 2, 1939


The Sports Garden got quashed, but the Pan-Pacific was allowed to be upgraded with steel supports, permanent seating, and fireproofing.

Martin Pal Jul 12, 2014 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6649860)
I wonder what the older gentleman is promoting at his card table.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/fp23z.jpg
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I have to say, that woman looks decidedly man-ish. Reminds me of a character actor whose name escapes me at the moment.

On the other side of things, I also have to say, at first glance I thought the tall gentleman was wearing high heels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6651551)
Shriner Circus is in town!

No date (probably late '20s early '30s.)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079016.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079016.jpg


Chuckaluck Jul 12, 2014 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6649760)


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Chuckaluck Jul 12, 2014 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6413905)
I don't think I have enjoyed anything more these last few days than the back-and-forth squabble over the Buicks.
I love 50's cars. But hey! You guys missed my favorite in one of the photos:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/73...0/842/yawo.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/73...0/842/yawo.jpg

The website claims it is a 1959 or 60 Corvette, but I say it is a '58. What do you think?

By the way, I have auto experience myself. I spent the summer of 1969 working at the Ford engine plant in Cleveland,
building "Cleveland 351" engines. Wired up those distributor caps with the best of 'em too.



Drive safely!

1963
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