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ethereal_reality Sep 16, 2019 11:32 PM

As a reminder.


Al Levy got his start selling oysters to Metropolitan Opera patrons.

below: Al Levy and his oyster cart. -date unknown-

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4...oystercart.jpg
LAPL

Noir_Noir Sep 17, 2019 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8689161)

https://i.postimg.cc/J00vwDHL/Levy6-16-22.jpg
LA Times 6/16/1922 via ProQuest via CSULB Library


Levy's Cafe at 6413 Hollywood Blvd. on the left in a detail from


"Hollywood Boulevard near Wilcox" tessa.lapl.org

https://i.imgur.com/i6uRlhz.jpg


It was also the location in 1962 where Sonny and Cher laid eyes on each other for the first time at Aldo's Coffee Shop. Here next door to KFWB in 1966.


https://i.imgur.com/stj33nQ.jpg
Facebook - Vintage Los Angeles

ethereal_reality Sep 17, 2019 3:48 AM

Thanks for figuring out the Washington State Building and the fair where it was located. ( 1915 PANAMA - CALIFORNIA EXPOSITION, SAN DIEGO)


I was surprised by how grand the building turned out to be.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/pjecpj.jpg

I was expecting something much smaller in scale.




The snapshot was very deceiving.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/LEaoZK.jpg
EBAY


A long time ago, I remember seeing a photograph of a large 'Los Angeles County Building' at one of the in-state expositions.

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John Maddox Roberts Sep 17, 2019 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8689175)
As a reminder.


Al Levy got his start selling oysters to Metropolitan Opera patrons.

below: Al Levy and his oyster cart. -date unknown-

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4...oystercart.jpg
LAPL

Pretty well-dressed for an oyster peddler.

ethereal_reality Sep 17, 2019 2:46 PM

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A RARE & unique look of a hat cleaning storefront in Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2RXvBA.jpg
eBay


The address is written in pencil on the reverse side.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/CWY7f9.jpg

348 S. Broadway
Los Angeles








Here's a closer look. It's AMAZING. You can see the men working on hats through the windows.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/J8VvD8.jpg

As you can see, it is located next to the Los Angeles Theater, a vaudeville theater at the time.

At first I thought the sign about the store, and partially hidden by an awning, said 'Wicker Hat Works', but under closer inspection
the first letter isn't a W...........(I thought wicker because of straw boaters)


I imagine panama hats became popular because of the Panama Canal, right? (the canal opened in 1914) If so, that would help in dating the photograph.
It's on my mind because of my recent mention of the two Panama expostions in California (both in 1915).


Seller asking $89.99
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Noir_Noir Sep 17, 2019 5:16 PM

:previous:


I think the address on the postcard may be wrong. More likely to be South Spring Street where the Los Angeles Theatre was located at 340 between 1907 and 1911.
It was then renamed the Empress Theatre.

ethereal_reality Sep 17, 2019 8:46 PM

You're absolutely correct Noir Noir.


Here's an interesting ad (from 1910) that lists the various vaudeville act.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/4nfiuf.jpg
Kenneth McIntyre / Facebook

Initially I thought this was advertising up-coming shows...but I was wrong. All these acts performed in the same show. Holy Toledo!




In this night view, you get a glimpse of the (former) hat cleaning storefront at far left.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/g7eZvU.jpg
losangelestheaters

The Los Angeles Theater's name was changed to the Empress in 1913. (so the hat cleaning photograph is pre-1913)



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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 17, 2019 9:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8689396)
Thanks for figuring out the Washington State Building and the fair where it was located. ( 1915 PANAMA - CALIFORNIA EXPOSITION, SAN DIEGO)


I was surprised by how grand the building turned out to be.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/pjecpj.jpg

I was expecting something much smaller in scale.

The snapshot was very deceiving.


A long time ago, I remember seeing a photograph of a large 'Los Angeles County Building' at one of the in-state expositions.

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I wondered about the fate of this fine building(it was torn down in 1935) and where it located. Here's a map of the Exposition...
https://i.postimg.cc/9FwC6m10/Map-Pa...a-Expo1915.jpgupload picture via wikipedia

So where is that in the modern topography of Balboa Park, I've outlined it in blue.

https://i.postimg.cc/BQFfhhQ1/Annota...-17-141645.jpggif hoster via Google Maps

ethereal_reality Sep 17, 2019 9:32 PM

:previous: That's some good sleuthing, Bill.

I'm surprised there are so many of the fair buildings still standing. (I've never been to Balboa Park)


I have a thing for world fairs.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 18, 2019 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8690187)
:previous: That's some good sleuthing, Bill.

I'm surprised there are so many of the fair buildings still standing. (I've never been to Balboa Park)


I have a thing for world fairs.

I was going to say I've never been to the site of a world's fair, but that would be untrue, I've been to Seattle Center many times(I went to gradual school up there). I don't think Balboa Park ever hosted a "world's fair", just exhibitions in 1915 and 1935. I've not been there in probably 25 years, I've been talking with a fellow photog about shooting IR there.

ETA: As far as other exhibitions, the campus of the University of Washington was the site of an exhibition in the early 1900's. I've spent a great deal of time there.

ETA2: Oh, a note of thanks to everyone here, I led a group of photographers though Chester Place and St. James Square this past Sunday giving them little historical tidbits along the way. Most of which I picked up at this here site.

Noir_Noir Sep 18, 2019 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8689657)
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A RARE & unique look of a hat cleaning storefront in Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2RXvBA.jpg
eBay


Just following up on a year for the picture. 1910 looks like the best bet going by the CDs. That's the only year the pictured store at
338 South Spring Street throws up hats as the line of business while the Los Angeles Theatre was next door.

Might be Merven T. Peck posing at the door.


https://i.imgur.com/gkstBJr.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

Lorendoc Sep 18, 2019 2:10 AM

another Ralph's
 
This photo is on eBay, captioned "Los Angeles - Typical Street Scene" for $15:

https://i.imgur.com/zgix5qc.jpg
eBay

The 1940 CD has a Farmers Public General Market at 6151 W Pico, and also a Ralph's at 6121, so we're looking east on Pico. At least the decorative treatment of the roof line has survived, if you squint hard enough.

https://i.imgur.com/Zg9QFJx.jpg
GSV

Lorendoc Sep 18, 2019 2:46 AM

another roof line
 
This is an undated Ralph Morris photo captioned:

"Exterior view of Extruders Inc., manufacturers of Garden King hose and plastic extrusions. The company also makes rods, tubes, shapes, packaging film, electrical insulating and tubing."

https://i.imgur.com/C4AlcVH.jpg
calisphere.org

No luck in the LA CDs, which is not surprising, given that a 1950 classified ad in the Times places Extruders, Inc. at 8509 Higuera in Culver City. I think the building survived: you can see the little 2-step elevation of the roof line over what was the main entrance in the modern picture as well. It is now the Willow Community School.

https://i.imgur.com/f66puVI.jpg
GSV

Godzilla Sep 18, 2019 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8690418)
This photo is on eBay, captioned "Los Angeles - Typical Street Scene" for $15:

https://i.imgur.com/zgix5qc.jpg
eBay

The 1940 CD has a Farmers Public General Market at 6151 W Pico, and also a Ralph's at 6121, so we're looking east on Pico. At least the decorative treatment of the roof line has survived, if you squint hard enough.

https://i.imgur.com/Zg9QFJx.jpg
GSV






Ralphs at 6125 W. Pico was evidently built in '31 and demolished in '66. Assume it started as "open air" and ended "climate controlled.".


Circa '45
https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttps://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=512&DMY=0&DM https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttps://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=512&DMY=512&https://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleite...otos/id/109563




Free parking.


Assume it started as "open air" and ended "climate controlled." Second floor appears to be decorative and non functional. Wonder if any similar examples of this type of "Ralphs" architecture escaped modernization.



https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...2&DMX=0&DMY=0&https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...DMX=512&DMY=0&https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttps://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=512&DMY=512&




We have previously explored this area. (There was a series of images, some of which were from a rooftop perspective.)


~1933
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...0&DMY=0&DMTEXThttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=512&DMY=0&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...512&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/44486





http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...024&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...536&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...24&DMY=1024&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...36&DMY=1024&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...24&DMY=1536&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...36&DMY=1536&DM











Unimproved area at Pico and La Cienega included links known as the Pico Fairway.


Looking NE toward Carthay theater.



https://waterandpower.org/C%20Histor...enega_1933.jpghttps://waterandpower.org/C%20Histor...enega_1933.jpg





~1935

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=512&DMY=0&DM http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...512&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/75895






"Hokum Plumbing" 4709 W. Pico; 860 N. Highland (later at 400 N. Beverly Dr., BH) Related to John Hokum, Plumber at 106 E 9th St., per the 1904 CD?


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=1536&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...=5632&DMY=1536
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=2048&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...32&DMY=2048&DM

Bristolian Sep 18, 2019 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8690610)
Assume it started as "open air" and ended "climate controlled." Second floor appears to be decorative and non functional. Any similar examples of this type of "Ralphs" architecture escape modernization.



https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...2&DMX=0&DMY=0&https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...DMX=512&DMY=0&https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttps://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...X=512&DMY=512&

This example at the corner of Van Ness & Redondo Beach Blvd. is certainly not a survivor as it was built around the year 2000 but are the decorative square turrets, complete with Spanish tile roofs, an homage to Ralphs architectural heritage?
https://i.imgur.com/UuzN1YI.png?1GSV

oldstuff Sep 18, 2019 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8689657)
.

A RARE & unique look of a hat cleaning storefront in Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2RXvBA.jpg
eBay


The address is written in pencil on the reverse side.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/CWY7f9.jpg

348 S. Broadway
Los Angeles








Here's a closer look. It's AMAZING. You can see the men working on hats through the windows.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/J8VvD8.jpg

As you can see, it is located next to the Los Angeles Theater, a vaudeville theater at the time.

At first I thought the sign about the store, and partially hidden by an awning, said 'Wicker Hat Works', but under closer inspection
the first letter isn't a W...........(I thought wicker because of straw boaters)


I imagine panama hats became popular because of the Panama Canal, right? (the canal opened in 1914) If so, that would help in dating the photograph.
It's on my mind because of my recent mention of the two Panama expostions in California (both in 1915).


Seller asking $89.99
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M Flicker Hat Works was located at two locations at different times. In 1907 they were at 218 S. Franklin and in 1919 they were at 348 S. Broadway. At some point there may have been a store at 316 W. 7th. This building is now a GNC The establishment was run by a Michael Flicker who was born in Austria in about 1872.

HossC Sep 18, 2019 7:16 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8690856)
M Flicker Hat Works was located at two locations at different times. In 1907 they were at 218 S. Franklin and in 1919 they were at 348 S. Broadway. At some point there may have been a store at 316 W. 7th. This building is now a GNC The establishment was run by a Michael Flicker who was born in Austria in about 1872.

Michael Flicker's hat shop sure did move around. Here's where I've found it in the CDs:

1908-1913
435 S Main

1914-1916
433 S Main

1917
528 S Spring

1918
324 S Broadway

1920/1923
348 S Broadway

The 1922 CD gives this listing:
FLICKER MICHAEL, Importer and Manufacturer of Panama, Manila and Felt Hats, Hats Cleaned, Blocked and Repaired.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8689657)

I imagine panama hats became popular because of the Panama Canal, right? (the canal opened in 1914) If so, that would help in dating the photograph.
It's on my mind because of my recent mention of the two Panama expostions in California (both in 1915).

I found this advert for another hatter in the 1905 CD which clearly promotes Panama hats.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...PanamaHat1.jpg
LAPL

From Wikipedia:
The popularity of the hats increased in the mid-19th century when many miners of the California Gold Rush traveled to California via the Isthmus of Panama and Pacific Mail Steamship Company. In 1906, U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt visited the construction site of the Panama Canal and was photographed wearing a Panama hat, which further increased the hats' popularity.
"A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!", but no mention of a hat in the famous palindrome!

odinthor Sep 18, 2019 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8690856)
M Flicker Hat Works was located at two locations at different times. In 1907 they were at 218 S. Franklin and in 1919 they were at 348 S. Broadway. At some point there may have been a store at 316 W. 7th. This building is now a GNC The establishment was run by a Michael Flicker who was born in Austria in about 1872.

September, 1907, for the 7th St. location:

https://i.postimg.cc/4dWYnNLQ/Flilck...r7-19-1907.jpg
LA Herald, 7/19/1907

ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2019 12:14 AM

:previous: I see it says "across from Hamburger's"

A husband could have his hat remodeled and cleaned while the Mrs. shopped at Hamburger's (advertised, at the time, as the largest department store on the Pacifc Coast*)

oops. The location mentioned in odinthor's 1907 ad is the location prior to the Hamburger's largest department store. .





Here is the 'new' Hamburger's Department store under construction in 1907 at the southeast corner of Broadway and Eighth Street.



I'm not entirely sure in what direction we're looking in this pic. .... Is this the backside? :shrug:
(probably a repeat for NLA)...........
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/FOlxML.jpg
jewishmuseumamericanwest

Hmmm, so who lived in the two large houses? ..... They must have been infuriated by the Hamburger's decision to build their behemoth literally in the homeowner's backyards!
I would have been beside myself.





p.s. The Hamburger / May Co. building still stands at 801 S. Broadway.

odinthor Sep 19, 2019 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8691433)
:previous: I see it says "across from Hamburger's"

A husband could have his hat remodeled and cleaned while the Mrs. shopped at Hamburger's (advertised, at the time, as the largest department store on the Pacifc Coast*)

oops. The location mentioned in odinthor's 1907 ad is the location prior to the Hamburger's largest department store. .





Here is the 'new' Hamburger's Department store under construction in 1907 at the southeast corner of Broadway and Eighth Street.



I'm not entirely sure in what direction we're looking in this pic. .... Is this the backside? :shrug:
(probably a repeat for NLA)...........
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/FOlxML.jpg
jewishmuseumamericanwest

Hmmm, so who lived in the two large houses? ..... They must have been infuriated by the Hamburger's decision to build their behemoth literally in the homeowner's backyards!
I would have been beside myself.





p.s. The Hamburger / May Co. building still stands at 801 S. Broadway.

e_r, I believe we're looking from the roof of the Percival Apt. bldg., which was on the west side of Hill St.

https://i.postimg.cc/yxkpbjD4/Percival09-Birds.jpg
1909 Bird's Eye View of L.A. (detail)

More of this area of Hill St. (including the Percival) can be seen at the end of http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal8a.html

Godzilla Sep 19, 2019 4:06 AM


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/jGqX6K.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=40811






Head! ("Great and Meaningful!")

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img15/3365/fu0j.jpghttp://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=15524




Strawberry Alarm Clock (Incense and peppermints, the color of thyme . . .)

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...71&oe=5E3409E9https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...71&oe=5E3409E9

ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2019 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8691657)
e_r, I believe we're looking from the roof of the Percival Apt. bldg., which was on the west side of Hill St.

https://i.postimg.cc/yxkpbjD4/Percival09-Birds.jpg
1909 Bird's Eye View of L.A. (detail)

More of this area of Hill St. (including the Percival) can be seen at the end of http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal8a.html

Thanks so much, odinthor. :worship:

I see that the Majestic Theater was known as Hamburger's Majestic Theater. (have we discussed this earlier on NLA?)

If we have, I certainly don't remember it. (I don't remember alot of things)

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ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2019 7:30 PM

A mystery location.

The California Shoe Manufacturing Co.....Torrance Calif....RPPC 1915.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/YU4sAE.jpg
eBay

..looks brand spanking new!


reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SYbvRG.jpg




...rotated for easier reading.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/kNI7tT.jpg


I've had some difficulty locating the address because of the company's, somewhat generic, name.

I also need some help with Lillian's last name. Is it Thurston...or Hurston? :shrug:


Price: $39.99
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Earl Boebert Sep 19, 2019 8:34 PM

I believe it is clearly "Thurston." Or as Sam Spade would say, "Thurthton" (Obligatory noir reference) :)

Cheers,

Earl

Bristolian Sep 19, 2019 8:43 PM

:previous:
:previous:
e_r, From what I was able to find, the date is a little confusing.

In October 1913, the Torrance factory was still in the planning stages
https://i.imgur.com/FphmdNu.png?1
Boot and Shoe Recorder October 29, 1913

http://https://books.google.com/books?id=KWA2AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA83&lpg=RA4-PA83&dq=california+shoe+manufacturing+torrance+1913&source=bl&ots=wGEZqP9dl-&sig=ACfU3U10B6OR08l8CKBxqc4B2I6BxUaGCw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjW9q3R2d3kAhVCoZ4KHQ8wCoIQ6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=california%20shoe%20manufacturing%20torrance%201913&f=false



It seems that by May 1915, the company was offered for sale in a different trade publication. Unfortunately, no specific address.
https://i.imgur.com/vTzGdsI.png?2
Hide and Leather May 1, 1915

http://https://books.google.com/books?id=GqE7AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA16-PA17&lpg=RA16-PA17&dq=california+shoe+manufacturing+torrance+1913&source=bl&ots=zhtPGvsBPr&sig=ACfU3U2b_D_scgNIpqrmXhVm-tDDRT2JIw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjW9q3R2d3kAhVCoZ4KHQ8wCoIQ6AEwEHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=california%20shoe%20manufacturing%20torrance%201913&f=false

In July of 1915,the company was involved in a financial lawsuit
https://books.google.com/books?id=R2...201915&f=false

So perhaps the postcard was written after a change in ownership related to the lawsuit?

The building is intriguing to me as I worked in a very similar one in Torrance for years. Torrance was hit pretty hard by the 1933 Long Beach earthquake and this one could have been a casualty.

Noir_Noir Sep 20, 2019 12:01 AM

:previous:


The California Shoe Manufacturing Co. is included in this Torrance panorama from 1914.


https://i.imgur.com/arJYopl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 15 August 1914


https://i.imgur.com/DslYSuX.jpg


Number 3 in the picture, it was just north of the Union Tool Co. which was located at the NW corner of Western Avenue and Carson Street.


Here it is in an ad for the Fuller Shoe Company, the first company in the building.

https://i.imgur.com/J2ho6zj.jpg
socalarchhistory.blogspot.com


This reference in an architecture guide from 2003 gives the address and indicates it was still standing though converted around
that time. It appears to have gone in the meantime.

https://i.imgur.com/SK92grR.jpg
Google Books - An Arch Guidebook to Los Angeles

ethereal_reality Sep 20, 2019 5:39 PM

Thanks, Earl..Bristolian..and Noir Noir, for your follow-ups on the California Shoe Manufacturing Co. I really appreciate it.

Despite being wholly utilitarian, the building has a certain charm to it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/YU4sAE.jpg

I also like how the building appears to be sitting in the middle of nowhere.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8692557)

In October 1913, the Torrance factory was still in the planning stages
https://i.imgur.com/FphmdNu.png?1
Boot and Shoe Recorder October 29, 1913

Now we need to find the previous location in Venice...perhaps that building is still standing. :shrug:






Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir Noir
https://i.imgur.com/DslYSuX.jpg


Number 3 in the picture, it was just north of the Union Tool Co. which was located at the NW corner of Western Avenue and Carson Street.

Excellent find, N N.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8692538)
Or as Sam Spade would say, "Thurthton"

Ha. Ha. Earl. :haha:

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ethereal_reality Sep 20, 2019 6:05 PM

As far as I can see there aren't any clues available to figure out the location (or the people) in this rppc postmarked Los Angeles. [August 21, 1905]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/mPjmXI.jpg
eBay

It appears to show the man of the house (or hotel?) posing with the hired help.



Here's the reverse with the Los Angeles postmark.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/QFxwxx.jpg

............................:previous: Hey! ..maybe there is a clue.







p.s. The more I think about it..this is part of the Michigan address.

I got all excited for nuttin'. :(
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odinthor Sep 20, 2019 11:03 PM

For the fine dining tonight of Noirishers whose time machines are in good working order, our select panel of gastronomic critics suggests that you set your time travel to 1921-1928 so that you can enjoy the ambiance of the Turkish Village, at 221 1/2 W. 4th St.

https://i.postimg.cc/ryZYmL59/Turk-Vil1001.jpg

First mention in the Los Angeles Times, as far as I can tell, is in the course of a story about a "Pageant Fete" in which "Lucile Joy of the Turkish Village" has a booth (October 21, 1921). Do remember Miss Joy . . . This mention is followed, over the years, by . . .

(All below are Los Angeles Times, dates as indicated, via ProQuest via CSULB Library.)

https://i.postimg.cc/cLPv46JN/Turk-Vil2-12-13-1921.jpg
12/13/1921

https://i.postimg.cc/tJRTmxBF/Turk-Vil3-6-12-1922.jpg
6/12/1922

https://i.postimg.cc/9f3fHSxm/Turk-Vil3-5-4-4-1924.jpg
4/4/1924

https://i.postimg.cc/gjBYSBXP/Turk-Vil4-8-3-1924.jpg
8/3/1924

https://i.postimg.cc/gJgdjBK6/Turk-Vil5-9-7-1924.jpg
9/2/1924

https://i.postimg.cc/kMhqdz40/Turk-Vil6-12-21-1924.jpg
12/21/1924

https://i.postimg.cc/kX69MsRB/Turk-Vil7-10-31-1928.jpg
10/31/1928

Bon appetit!

GaylordWilshire Sep 21, 2019 12:32 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/jqpKKvKR/laplmissingpiece-bmp.jpg


Found item:

https://tucson.com/news/local/arizon...e6afd210e.html

oldstuff Sep 21, 2019 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8692439)
A mystery location.

The California Shoe Manufacturing Co.....Torrance Calif....RPPC 1915.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/YU4sAE.jpg
eBay

..looks brand spanking new!


reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SYbvRG.jpg




...rotated for easier reading.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/kNI7tT.jpg


I've had some difficulty locating the address because of the company's, somewhat generic, name.

I also need some help with Lillian's last name. Is it Thurston...or Hurston? :shrug:


Price: $39.99
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I worked sort of backwards on this one and found the woman who the card was addressed to, Nellie Daniels. She worked in a shoe factory in Derry New Hampshire. She is listed in the 1910 census as living in a place with lots of other workers from the shoe factor. She was 30 years old in 1910 I did not have much luck with Lillian but will keep trying

Hollywood Graham Sep 21, 2019 1:34 AM

Thurston or Hurston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8694032)
I worked sort of backwards on this one and found the woman who the card was addressed to, Nellie Daniels. She worked in a shoe factory in Derry New Hampshire. She is listed in the 1910 census as living in a place with lots of other workers from the shoe factor. She was 30 years old in 1910 I did not have much luck with Lillian but will keep trying

If you look at the T in Torrance you will see it is the same T on Thurston.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 21, 2019 5:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8692770)
:previous:


The California Shoe Manufacturing Co. is included in this Torrance panorama from 1914.


https://i.imgur.com/arJYopl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 15 August 1914


https://i.imgur.com/DslYSuX.jpg


Number 3 in the picture, it was just north of the Union Tool Co. which was located at the NW corner of Western Avenue and Carson Street.


Here it is in an ad for the Fuller Shoe Company, the first company in the building.

https://i.imgur.com/J2ho6zj.jpg
socalarchhistory.blogspot.com


This reference in an architecture guide from 2003 gives the address and indicates it was still standing though converted around
that time. It appears to have gone in the meantime.

https://i.imgur.com/SK92grR.jpg
Google Books - An Arch Guidebook to Los Angeles

Here's the Sanborn map of the area, the first insert at the top right goes above the area at the upper left, the one below that(with the CA Shoe Company building goes above that. The 3rd insert(with the Pearl Button factory goes below the main map(south of Carson). Looking at later maps, the shoe factory was an aircraft engineering firm by the late 20's.

https://i.postimg.cc/7L5dHQkX/Torrance-Sanborn.jpg

(Off Topic); I went to the opening of the "1919" exhibit at The Huntington" this evening(free food's always a draw with me). The Huntington is celebrating it's centennial, so they put up this exhibit. It was pretty crowded and Madame and I forgot our reading glasses, so we'll return to get a better look. It's something I'd take a look-see if you're a local.

riichkay Sep 21, 2019 9:45 PM

Apologies if this has been covered but Photobucket has instituted new pricing policies, if you are on the $1.99/mo plan (as I am) and exceed a storage limit they will ask you to delete images or they will start blurring your existing pictures....I have gone through some random thread pages and found the blurring....an upgrade to their $4.99 mo. plan gives you 25 GB of storage or 2,500 images, that's a lot of space and I think the price is fair....but there are those no longer active on the board or unwilling to upgrade so it is going to hollow out the thread somewhat.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 21, 2019 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8694497)
Apologies if this has been covered but Photobucket has instituted new pricing policies, if you are on the $1.99/mo plan (as I am) and exceed a storage limit they will ask you to delete images or they will start blurring your existing pictures....I have gone through some random thread pages and found the blurring....an upgrade to their $4.99 mo. plan gives you 25 GB of storage or 2,500 images, that's a lot of space and I think the price is fair....but there are those no longer active on the board or unwilling to upgrade so it is going to hollow out the thread somewhat.

Flickr also instituted limits on their free accounts, I upgraded to Pro(even though I've got Smugmug for my professional stuff) for $50/year.

Flickr Pro has unlimited storage.

CityBoyDoug Sep 21, 2019 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8694551)
Flickr also instituted limits on their free accounts, I upgraded to Pro(even though I've got Smugmug for my professional stuff) for $50/year.

Flickr Pro has unlimited storage.

There are no provisions for the perpetual display of your photos unless I have missed that. When someone is no longer paying their dues, their photos revert to a blur or disappear.

So what's the point? Websites and this thread are like yesterday's newspaper....here today, gone tomorrow.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 22, 2019 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8694561)
There are no provisions for the perpetual display of your photos unless I have missed that. When someone is no longer paying their dues, their photos revert to a blur or disappear.

So what's the point? Websites and this thread are like yesterday's newspaper....here today, gone tomorrow.

Well, we have to rely on websites to display our pictures, no? Yes, if you stop paying for pro you revert to free with a restriction on the number of photos you can maintain.

odinthor Sep 22, 2019 3:48 AM

No such problems with the free Postimage.org (alias postimages.org):

https://postimages.org/about

:cheers:

CityBoyDoug Sep 22, 2019 9:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8694669)
No such problems with the free Postimage.org (alias postimages.org):

https://postimages.org/about

:cheers:

With all due respect Odin:

This is exactly what we used to say about "Free" Photobucket. They never talked about charging for the sin of third party hosting until you were into them for ten years and many hundreds of photos.
Then they drop a hammer and announce ''new conditions" As they say on the street, you've in for a bumpy ride with PB.
I'm concerned when any hosting site says they're free. Is this a lure to hook you?.

ethereal_reality Sep 22, 2019 3:58 PM

2314 W. 24th Street, Los Angeles - Calif.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Wh0B6v.jpg
eBay

The little girl's sister must be shy. She's hiding in the shadows of the front porch.






The same home today.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/kR6wZn.jpg
GSV




The address on the back of the rppc.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/jK5P8m.jpg

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ethereal_reality Sep 22, 2019 9:26 PM

mystery rppc.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/D2eg4P.jpg
eBay

The writing on the back says this is the Lookout Mountain Inn, Los Angeles.

But the land around it appears to be flat. :shrug: Could this be some sort of a station down below?



Here's the writing on the reverse side.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/8gnm4C.jpg




To see 3940dxer's comprehensive poston Lookout Mountian Inn start HERE.

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Martin Pal Sep 22, 2019 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8694497)
Apologies if this has been covered but Photobucket has instituted new pricing policies, if you are on the $1.99/mo plan (as I am) and exceed a storage limit they will ask you to delete images or they will start blurring your existing pictures....I have gone through some random thread pages and found the blurring....an upgrade to their $4.99 mo. plan gives you 25 GB of storage or 2,500 images, that's a lot of space and I think the price is fair....but there are those no longer active on the board or unwilling to upgrade so it is going to hollow out the thread somewhat.
_________________________________________________________________


Photobucket says: "Free accounts are limited to 25MB of bandwidth per month." How many photos is that?


Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8694722)
With all due respect Odin:
This is exactly what we used to say about "Free" Photobucket. They never talked about charging for the sin of third party hosting until you were into them for ten years and many hundreds of photos.
Then they drop a hammer and announce ''new conditions" As they say on the street, you've in for a bumpy ride with PB.
I'm concerned when any hosting site says they're free. Is this a lure to hook you?.
___________________________________________________________________


I don't trust ANY photo hosting site...free or not...as I posted in July:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8629869)
I really don't trust any photo hosting site, if I ever really did. Another forum I visit had a thread where the site masters would convert every photo posted on it to a photo hosting site so that "none of the photos would ever disappear." Around ten years ago that photo site (I believe it was called Taxine or something like that) just vanished offline one night and, obviously, all the photos that were hosted on it disappeared, too. If you had photos hosted on it you never had a warning to do anything about it.

And the reason that forum's site masters wanted to do this in the first place is that a prolific poster on that thread, who posted hundreds of photos, got disgruntled with some rule on that forum and just eliminated all his photos from it by putting them in a new folder on his hosting site.

So that phrase we keep hearing...once it's online it's always there...well not so much, eh?
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CityBoyDoug Sep 22, 2019 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8695157)
Photobucket says: "Free accounts are limited to 25MB of bandwidth per month." How many photos is that?





I don't trust ANY photo hosting site...free or not...as I posted in July:

I believe 25MB is 250 photos. This is for PB's''free'' option.

As you correctly state, Martin, using any hosting site is a dangerous game.

Imagine someone with 2250 photos in PB. If you want to go to a Free account, PB makes it almost impossible to delete those extra 2K photos. They only allow you a 5 minute session online to delete photos. At the end of each 5 minute interval you have to reinstate a new 5 minute session.

PB is a total scam. If you fail to pay your monthly dues to PB they put into a type of Internet jail.

GaylordWilshire Sep 23, 2019 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8694830)
2314 W. 24th Street, Los Angeles - Calif.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Wh0B6v.jpg
eBay

The little girl's sister must be shy. She's hiding in the shadows of the front porch.


It was built by an Elizabeth Emens in 1904 on a lot that was at the very edge of the city limits (and would be until the Colegrove Addition of 1909).
Looks like she was a speculator...George W. Perkins, a real estate man, was living there by the time the '07CD was issued. He died in 1916...

https://i.postimg.cc/0NLx9Vdm/perkins-bmp.jpg
LAT March 24, 1916

His wife and a daughter remained in the house, the daughter with her husband until about 1930 it seems. Thing is, the two Perkins girls were born
in 1885 & 1887, so the kids in the pic can't be them....

SHERIFFPAUL Sep 23, 2019 4:53 PM

Lookout Mountain Inn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8695089)
mystery rppc.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/D2eg4P.jpg
eBay

The writing on the back says this is the Lookout Mountain Inn, Los Angeles.

But the land around it appears to be flat. :shrug: Could this be some sort of a station down below?



Here's the writing on the reverse side.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/8gnm4C.jpg




To see 3940dxer's comprehensive poston Lookout Mountian Inn start HERE.

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https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/up.../lookout_h.jpg

As its name suggests, Lookout Mountain was, like the Griffith Observatory or the Getty Center, a prime location from which to gaze down on Los Angeles and make a little sense of this famously incomprehensible city. Before roads reached the summit, hikers scaled Lookout Mountain, a 1,500-foot promontory rising above West Hollywood just west of Laurel Canyon, on foot to inhale its fresh mountain air and commanding views.

Eventually, a growing streetcar network and the advent of the automobile—not to mention an experimental trackless trolley line in Laurel Canyon—made the peak accessible to the less adventurous. It also made the land irresistible to subdividers. In 1908, a syndicate of developers bought a 280-acre tract encompassing Lookout Mountain and sliced the land into 700 housing lots, offering them for $250 each.

But the developers reserved the best vantage point for a grand hotel that would advertise the subdivision’s charms. The 24-room Lookout Mountain Inn opened in 1910, and its design took full advantage of the ridge-top location. Wide verandas on three sides of the main structure offered 270-degree views of the lowlands below and the ocean beyond. Guests, who paid $15 per week for room and board, could savor their chicken dinners while the city lights of Hollywood and downtown Los Angeles twinkled in the distance.

The Lookout Mountain Inn met a fiery end on October 26, 1918, after only eight years of business. A brush fire—reportedly started by a group of boys cooking sausages in the foothills—raced up the canyons and reduced the wooden structure to charcoal. It was never rebuilt. Today, a six-bedroom, 9,300-square-foot house occupies the site, its once-famous views hidden behind security gates and privacy walls.

Bristolian Sep 23, 2019 5:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8694179)
Here's the Sanborn map of the area, the first insert at the top right goes above the area at the upper left, the one below that(with the CA Shoe Company building goes above that. The 3rd insert(with the Pearl Button factory goes below the main map(south of Carson). Looking at later maps, the shoe factory was an aircraft engineering firm by the late 20's.

[url=https://postimg.cc/f3hB5Ck0]https://i.postimg.cc/7L5dHQkX/Torrance-Sanborn.jpg[/url

https://i.imgur.com/PYAudy3.png?1 Detail of above

Going from this, I figured the location of the CA Shoe Manufacturing Company building as being here:

https://i.imgur.com/Txd86nQ.jpg?2Google Maps

Some of the street names have changed slightly and the property is now a gated community. Both El Prado and 212th st. from the Sanborn map are now parts of Border Avenue.
Interestingly, the building sat between two still standing Pacific Electric landmarks, the bridge over Torrance Bl:

https://i.imgur.com/TZjq1xQ.jpg?1 Pintrest

...and the Torrance Depot, now the Depot restaurant. I was able to find this image dated between 1912 & 1916 with the shoe factory in the background. You can also catch just a tiny bit of the bridge at the far left.

https://i.imgur.com/F1dL7gz.jpg?1http://blogs.dailybreeze.com/history...rrances-depot/

HossC Sep 23, 2019 9:13 PM

:previous:

Here's how the area looked in 1941. The shoe factory is roughly at the center of this detail.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...oeFactory1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

ethereal_reality Sep 23, 2019 10:46 PM

:previous:

Now you guys have me curious about what's going on in this area behind the shoe factory.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/tXinWh.jpg

:shrug:......................................................................................................................................................

Any ideas?.......................................................................................................................................................



Could it be storage for the lumber yard that was in the vicinty?.................................................................................................................................................

(I'm still a bit confused by Bill's map / especially the inserts).................................................................................................................................................


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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 24, 2019 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8696086)
:previous:



(I'm still a bit confused by Bill's map / especially the inserts).................................................................................................................................................[/CENTER]


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The top insert goes directly on top of the main map, the insert below it(with the shoe company) goes on top of that insert. The third insert(this one was confusing) goes below the main map(and there's a bit of distance from the bottom of the main map to where the insert would be). If you look at a modern map the 3rd insert would be at the northeast corner of Border and 218th street.

I'll have to check the later Sanborns, but I believe that area* has long been an auto camp/mobile home location(it's current use).

*The 1932 Sanborn lists the area as "cabins". There was a lumber yard, but it was south of 213th Street at Bow.

ethereal_reality Sep 24, 2019 12:35 AM

:previous: Thanks for the clarification(s), Bill. I appreciate it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8696169)

*The 1932 Sanborn lists the area as "cabins". There was a lumber yard, but it was south of 213th Street at Bow.

Cabins. That's interesting...hmmmm.


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