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ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 6:22 PM

A strikingly beautiful business card (1920s? -1930s?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/842/fpyl.jpg
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976-978 San Julian Street
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Makes me wish I could knock on the door and find Louie.
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Hollywood Graham Apr 29, 2014 9:07 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;6557718]A strikingly beautiful business card (1920s? -1930s?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/842/fpyl.jpg
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“Big Louie” as he was called was indeed big. We used to buy boxes of tomatoes and other vegetables from him in the mid fifties. Later we would go to Paul’s Cafe where the cooks would make me a Cha-Chu (spelling) sandwich with mayo. My father would buy a try of Gordon’s Bread which we froze for later use. Those were the days.

FredH Apr 29, 2014 11:44 PM

:previous:

Was this the place?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb281d04c.jpg
Google Street View

CityBoyDoug Apr 29, 2014 11:48 PM

Miss Brew 102
 
This local Los Angeles brewery was not only a long time eyesore in downtown LA it was considered a lousy beer....absolute rotgut. The can at the right is selling for $40 if you're a collector of such memorabilia. If you ordered a 102 in a bar, the bartender would look at you as if you were from out of town or just a dweeb.
:cheers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps4a4e0c2e.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps0e01f6bd.jpg
Art Adams and Irving C. Smith, Tavern Trove

FredH Apr 29, 2014 11:52 PM

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc1155dfa.jpg
http://www.pacificelectric.org/tag/m...ection/page/7/

OK, silly question (not my first): Where exactly was Mira Mar back then?

Albany NY Apr 30, 2014 12:17 AM

A "Little Bit" of Hollywood?
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6557674)
..another photograph from Universal City.

A coal mine set dated 1910.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/843/1ksq.jpg
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Does anyone know what movie this might have been built for? 1910 is awfully early.
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I've been in the photo industry since 1988, and to me this image looks like a miniature model. The depth of field, structure detailing, and ground cover seem a little off for a full-size set. :???:

MichaelRyerson Apr 30, 2014 12:24 AM

The 102 brewery was an eyesore? Jesus. Who knew?

Hollywood Graham Apr 30, 2014 2:04 AM

Paul’s Cafe
 
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Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6558192)
:previous:

Was this the place?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb281d04c.jpg
Google Street View

No, this is not the place. Paul’s was in the old wholesale produce market complex, about a block from Louie’s if I remember correctly. Next door was a salad lettuce packaging place.

HenryHuntington Apr 30, 2014 3:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6558204)
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc1155dfa.jpg
http://www.pacificelectric.org/tag/m...ection/page/7/

OK, silly question (not my first): Where exactly was Mira Mar back then?

Belmont Pier in Long Beach. It was the junction of a couple of PE's local lines.

Wig-Wag Apr 30, 2014 3:52 AM

Mira Mar.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 6558428)
Belmont Pier in Long Beach. It was the junction of a couple of PE's local lines.

FredH, Henry Huntington, if you enjoy minutiae, The 1915 report by the California Railroad Commission granting the Pacific Electric permission to remove the junction makes for an interesting read.

The reports starts partway down page 767 here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=2yh...ectric&f=false

The link will jump to 769 so you will have to scroll up.

I am not sure how the change may have affected Tilton's Trolley Trip.

Cheers,
Jack

FredH Apr 30, 2014 5:08 AM

:previous:

Very interesting Wig-Wag. I tried to follow on a current map, and you can still see some of the right-of-ways cutting through the city. I believe a couple of years ago, someone had a post which followed the rail line all the way from L.A. to Long Beach. On Ocean Avenue, I assume that the tracks were in between the divided streets? I am not that familiar with Long Beach, but our younger son is down there in grad school and we did some apartment hunting a couple years ago. I can't imagine a train running along Ocean Blvd. That would be something to see.

And thanks HenryHuntington, I found the old Mira Mar too. I guess from there they headed west and then back to L.A.

Tetsu Apr 30, 2014 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6557063)

Thanks for the enhanced pic, really just makes it all the more intriguing. It's so fascinating, definitely very "old West" with the false front. Amazing how the world around it developed so radically, yet it survived for so long. I'd guess that it could even date from the 1870's. Perhaps?

HossC Apr 30, 2014 2:28 PM

In the news today, actor Bob Hoskins has at the age of 71. Although he'll rightly be remembered for gritty British movies like 'The Long Good Friday' and 'Mona Lisa' (for which he received an Academy Award nomination), it's hard not to think of him as neo-noir detective Eddie Valiant in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit'.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gerRabbit1.jpg
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disneyscreencaps.com

HossC Apr 30, 2014 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6557674)
..another photograph from Universal City.

A coal mine set dated 1910.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/843/1ksq.jpg
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Does anyone know what movie this might have been built for? 1910 is awfully early.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albany NY (Post 6558223)
I've been in the photo industry since 1988, and to me this image looks like a miniature model. The depth of field, structure detailing, and ground cover seem a little off for a full-size set. :???:

A miniature was my first thought too. Having said that, I did find the article below in the July 1922 edition of Picture Play Magazine. Discussing Universal City, it says "Among these permanent sets there is a gold mine with all its accompanying machinery and buildings, a coal mine, a subway, a New York slum street, an ocean liner at a wharf, extensive sections of Monte Carlo, Japan, and India."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...urePlayMag.jpg
www.archive.org

Earl Boebert Apr 30, 2014 3:07 PM

I don't see any spikes holding those rails to the cross ties. I vote for model :-)

Cheers,

Earl

Tourmaline Apr 30, 2014 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6558797)
A miniature was my first thought too. Having said that, I did find the article below in the July 1922 edition of Picture Play Magazine. Discussing Universal City, it says "Among these permanent sets there is a gold mine with all its accompanying machinery and buildings, a coal mine, a subway, a New York slum street, an ocean liner at a wharf, extensive sections of Monte Carlo, Japan, and India."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...urePlayMag.jpg
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It was not unheard of to have have both a model set and a life-size version for several reasons, including special effects and reduced costs. Strange that the models seem to outlive some of their life-size cousins. Recall seeing a model of the Richfield Tower. :no:

Speaking of miniatures, I don't recall FLloydWright's "La Miniatura" Pasadena home may not have been mention on NLA - yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_House

Built in '23
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Contemporary
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fna...w/millard1.jpghttp://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fna...w/millard1.jpg

More on Wright's California homes: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fna...FLW_calif.html

Wig-Wag Apr 30, 2014 5:12 PM

Long Beach Line
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6558509)
:previous:

Very interesting Wig-Wag. I tried to follow on a current map, and you can still see some of the right-of-ways cutting through the city. I believe a couple of years ago, someone had a post which followed the rail line all the way from L.A. to Long Beach. On Ocean Avenue, I assume that the tracks were in between the divided streets? I am not that familiar with Long Beach, but our younger son is down there in grad school and we did some apartment hunting a couple years ago. I can't imagine a train running along Ocean Blvd. That would be something to see.

And thanks HenryHuntington, I found the old Mira Mar too. I guess from there they headed west and then back to L.A.

Fred, on the same website where you found the Tilton's brochure you can find a number of photos taken along the route of the Long Beach Line.
Unfortunately, The photos are mixed in with photos from other Southern District routes and there are 73 pages of them!

As to trains on Ocean Avenue and Long Beach Boulevard, the length and number of cars varied with time, the seasons and commuting patterns (rush hours etc). In the last years of LAMTA operation trains were typically one or two cars long with additional cars being added during rush hours and on weekends. I personally never rode a train exceeding four cars, but I am sure that was just my bad luck!

This link is to page 11 of the Southern District, where, if you scroll down you will find a photo of five 1200 class cars on Ocean Avenue. An impressive sight to say the least.

http://www.pacificelectric.org/categ...trict/page/11/

Also, on the same site see Ray Younghan's annotated 1911 PE Map in the Orange Empire Railway Museum collection. The train movements are a bit hard to read but most of the early junctions and stations can be found.

Cheers,
Jack

jg6544 Apr 30, 2014 5:33 PM

The Ville de Paris department store (further up 7th in the top picture) has been briefly mentioned before on NLA. Here's their advert from the 1921 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lleDeParis.jpg
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Any relation to the City of Paris department store in San Francisco, I wonder?

GaylordWilshire Apr 30, 2014 7:31 PM

:previous:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JMYobNyYD7...w/21VDPrev.jpgBSLA


There is a connection via the Fusenot family...check it out here:

http://www.berkeleysquarelosangeles....fairchild.html

HossC Apr 30, 2014 8:27 PM

This post started out as a simple "then and now", but soon grew. This first picture is looking north up Western Avenue at 6th in 1924. The building on the far left is still there, and I'll return to it below.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern1.jpg
USC Digital Library

A couple of years later and the new Pacific-Southwest Trust and Savings Bank branch on the northeast corner of Western and 6th is nearly finished.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern2.jpg
USC Digital Library

The signs in the windows indicate that the Sixth & Western branch was still located at 3915 W 6th Street when this picture was taken. Above the entrance is a window advertising the Barnett System of Growing Hair - see below.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

When it opened, the branch was filled with flowers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern4.jpg
USC Digital Library

I can't help wondering why they spent money carving the stone above the entrance when it was immediately covered by a large sign.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern5.jpg
USC Digital Library

Aside from losing its entrance detail, the building is still looking pretty good.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern6.jpg
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Here's a better view of the building on the southwest corner of the intersection. It's part of the same 1927 set of photos that myself and GW posted pictures from a few pages ago. The first floor looks pretty rough nowadays, but above that it looks like most of the details remain.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWestern7.jpg
USC Digital Library

I had a look for information on the Barnett System of Growing Hair. I found references in three City Directories, all at different addresses. The 1923 address puts them in the building I discussed in the picture above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ettSystem1.jpg
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I also came across this advert in a 1923 edition of the Berkeley Daily Gazette.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ettSystem2.jpg
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