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JScott May 13, 2017 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewMcKinley (Post 7798625)
"Does anyone here have a better/larger picture of this house? I'd guess the most likely candidate for this would be GaylordWilshire!"

I am assuming you mean 310. I probably do somewhere... and my father's name was never Maytor John.


Hello Matthew. Nice to see you here. This is Scott Shannon. You might remember we talked a little in email early last year about your father and my mother (MHM's executive secretary at Utter-McKinley).

You may have found these already, but there's a nice set of photos of 310 on the USC Digital Library website. The photos are from a time before your father owned the mansion, but there's a nice exterior shot, and it's zoomable, so you can see a rich amount of detail on the front of the structure. Have a look:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/72155/rec/1

-JScott

ScottyB May 13, 2017 4:47 AM

Rust Never Sleeps
 
I'm sure we're ready to move on from the topic, but here's one more pic I found of the Rust house, this is from the South Pasadena Public Library and is captioned:
South Pasadena home of Edward H. Rust, about 1890. Rust, who founded the Rust Nursery for citrus trees in 1884 and later palm, oak, and olive trees, was elected first president of the city's first Chamber of Commerce in 1909.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/3...37863d35_b.jpg

this is the same house, with updated porch, yes?? You can just faintly make out the chimney in the above photo. I suppose Edward took ownership after his father died.
For comparison:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4162/3...e220711f_b.jpg

OK. Almost ready for the BADH GIF.

ScottyB May 13, 2017 5:14 AM

Pasadena Laundry
 
And while I was snooping I got lost in this bucolic scene from HDC.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/3...04a07726_b.jpg

Something about the slogan "Send It To Us" seems faintly ominous and, well, a bit noir. In Pasadena blood stains were removed quietly, and from behind pastoral landscaping.
Are those climbing roses I see??

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/3...c7dfc976_b.jpg

Those little windows at the top of the building in the rear are odd.....and did you ever get the feelin' you was bein' watched?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4181/3...e09be69a_b.jpg

974 S Fair Oaks today not so pastoral. The empty orange building was the site of the John Bull pub back in my bachelor days. I feel hung over just thinking about it.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/3...84158d0a_b.jpg

Flyingwedge May 13, 2017 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 7804170)
I'm sure we're ready to move on from the topic, but here's one more pic I found of the Rust house, this is from the South Pasadena Public Library and is captioned:
South Pasadena home of Edward H. Rust, about 1890. Rust, who founded the Rust Nursery for citrus trees in 1884 and later palm, oak, and olive trees, was elected first president of the city's first Chamber of Commerce in 1909.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/3...37863d35_b.jpg

this is the same house, with updated porch, yes?? You can just faintly make out the chimney in the above photo. I suppose Edward took ownership after his father died.
For comparison:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4162/3...e220711f_b.jpg

OK. Almost ready for the BADH GIF.


Hey wow, that's another great find! But if it's the E. H. Rust home, it might not be the same house as the lower pic,
which is identified as the H. N. Rust home.

EDIT: After having read t2's post below . . . what about how the chimney straddles the peak of the roof in the older
photo, but is clearly in back of the roof peak in the second photo?

Also, the 1910 through 1940 censuses show Edward Rust at 1303 Lyndon, the same address he was at in 1906, when
his dad Horatio was as 1224 Lyndon.

tovangar2 May 13, 2017 5:51 AM

Horatio and Edward Rust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 7804170)
I'm sure we're ready to move on from the topic, but here's one more pic I found of the Rust house, this is from the South Pasadena Public Library and is captioned:
South Pasadena home of Edward H. Rust, about 1890. Rust, who founded the Rust Nursery for citrus trees in 1884 and later palm, oak, and olive trees, was elected first president of the city's first Chamber of Commerce in 1909.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/3...37863d35_b.jpg

this is the same house, with updated porch, yes?? You can just faintly make out the chimney in the above photo. I suppose Edward took ownership after his father died.
For comparison:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4162/3...e220711f_b.jpg

OK. Almost ready for the BADH GIF.

Nah, I'm never ready to move on and this photo is a real treat. It sure looks like the same house. The extension to the left is gone (one can see a garden path looping around that side) and the whole arrangement has been (finally) raised up on a brick foundation (gotta put the plumbing somewhere). When one darkens the PPL photo, the familiar chimney comes into view:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Yd...g=w439-h456-no

I see there's a fan palm street tree there on the right, as well as the two in the yard.

Pity the home wasn't saved, as it would be very appreciated now.

I've been trying to find the borders of the Rust Tract, which seems to have been quite large, but no luck so far.

Flyingwedge May 13, 2017 6:00 AM

Rust Tract
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7804189)

I've been trying to find the borders of the Rust Tract, which seems to have been quite large, but no luck so far.

Do you mean this or this? I wish the first map was large enough to read its text.

tovangar2 May 13, 2017 6:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7804192)
Do you mean this or this? I wish first map was large enough to read its text.

I'm really not sure. I looked up many homes around there, trying to find the edge, but everything seems to have been built on the "Rust Tract". I couldn't read that first map either and was unsure if the second map showed the entire Rust Tract. Do you think that's it?

I'm confused now about my Rusts and which was which. Looking at Find A Grave these are listed as three direct generations:

Horatio Nelson Rust (1828-1906)
Frank Nelson Rust (1855-1918)
Edward Butler Rust (1883-1958), an architect

There's nothing for Edward H Rust, yet here is his Bank Street nursery price list for 1922 and also all the other references to him posted here. Calisphere lists the dates for Edward H Rust as 1868?-1932. Elsewhere it's 1864

Terrific booklet on palms from Edward H. Rust here

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ix...Q=w362-h501-no
paradiseleased



Anyway, thank you ScottyB for the bookending images. It was fun to see the Rust place go from a rough and ready rural establishment to a tidy, cared-for suburban home as the environment changed around it.




ETA, LOL, now I've seen FW's question about the chimney and the address. Do you think the elder Rust's house was duplicated across the street? I'm really confused now.

Flyingwedge May 13, 2017 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7804201)

There's nothing for Edward H Rust, yet here is his Bank Street nursery price list for 1922 and also the other references to him posted here.

I think we want Edward Humphrey Rust, Dec 24, 1863 - Feb 10, 1944, per Ancestry.com.

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Here are the two Rust homes, 1224 and 1303 Lyndon, on the 1910 Pasadena Sanborn Map. I don't know if this helps or not:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL

ScottyB May 13, 2017 8:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7804209)
I think we want Edward Humphrey Rust, Dec 24, 1863 - Feb 10, 1944, per Ancestry.com.

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Here are the two Rust homes, 1224 and 1303 Lyndon, on the 1910 Pasadena Sanborn Map. I don't know if this helps or not:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL

Excellent map! I think the house we've been looking at would most likely be 1303....the footprint seems to reflect its modified version anyway.
About the chimney, FW, I think it may actually be straddling the peak- seems like the roof line gets washed out in the photo. You can see a little more height at the left.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/3...37863d35_b.jpg

John Maddox Roberts May 13, 2017 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7804061)
Thanks CityBoyDoug and tovangar2.
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Ed, I found your sugar factory on this highly detailed 1912 map.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/niVYEe.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d41ddce387.jpg

I see Acelga but Delhi is now 'New Delhi', and there's also a 'Delhi Road' stop.

La Bolsa and a 'Bolsa Gun Club' are further west. (they're near a second sugar plant...the Holly Sugar plant)


Here's Hoss's map again.


OK, once again I'm confused. Why is the La Bolsa location on Hoss' map about 30 miles east of the La Bolsa on the 1912 map?


update:
I just realized the 'La' is missing from 'Bolsa' on the Hoss map. This makes me think the B/W photograph I posted earlier today was taken
at the location on the 1912 map, right?


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/1iT1zl.jpg
detail



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Fascinating that Los Angeles had a New Delhi in 1912. New Delhi, India was founded in 1911. It wasn't even a city yet. Construction only got underway after WWI. Somebody in L.A. was keeping up with recent developments in British India.

tovangar2 May 13, 2017 6:26 PM

:previous:

Not to mention all the bungalows!

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FW, I found a detail of one of the pix you posted recently of the Horatio Rust home:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7801839)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ou...A=w747-h507-no
southpasadena

If this is what the house looked like in 1895, it's not the same as the 1890 house ScottyB posted. Of course all the dates could be wrong. Something is squirrely with find a grave too.

HossC May 13, 2017 7:00 PM

Here's part 2 of my post about Bernard Judge's Tree House. This second Julius Shulman set from four years later is "Job 5370: Bernard Judge, Judge House (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1976". The set includes similar color and black & white images - I've gone for color. I've omitted three of them.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The construction beams are very much part of the interior.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

The upper floor features this relatively small seating area ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

... and this compact kitchen.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

A higher view of both areas.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

I love this spiral staircase - it reminds me of a turbine or mill wheel.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

I'll finish with these amazing bathroom tiles.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The house is still standing at 9192 Crescent Drive (the street number is visible on the fence in the first image). It was originally designed as part of a group of interlinked houses which were to form a hunting lodge in Kenya. When that plan fell through, it was suggested that they could be built in tricky locations in the hills above Los Angeles. In the end, this was the only one built, and it was owned and inhabited by Judge himself. There's more information about this house and other's by Bernard Judge at socalarchhistory.blogspot.com. The Googlemobile doesn't go down this part of Crescent Drive, so here's an aerial view.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Google Maps

I'm not sure if the addition on the right is an extension to the living space or just a covering for the parking area. The property sites have very little information on the house, and no previous sale prices. Bernard Judge is still with us (he'll be 86 next month), and I think there's a chance that he's still living in the house. Does anyone know?

tovangar2 May 13, 2017 7:34 PM

:previous:

Zillow says it sold for $360K in 2003

The bathroom tile may have been by Bernard Judge's wife, ceramicist Dora de Larios. More info here

HossC May 13, 2017 8:12 PM

:previous:

Thanks, t2. I'm not sure how I missed that. If I scroll down far enough the information is also on trulia.com. Maybe I just wanted Mr Judge to still be living there :).

Flyingwedge May 13, 2017 8:52 PM

North from Olive and 15th St., November 2, 1930
 
Olive Street used to jog at Pico, then it ended one block farther south at 14th Street:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...l.jpg~original

1921 Baist Map at Historic Mapworks


In 1930 Olive was extended south to 23rd St. (now Olive looks this). Below, we are looking north on Olive from just south of
15th Street. The commercial building at left with the splotchy white rectangle on the wall is 239-41 W. 15th St. Above that
rectangle, and below the HYDRIL roof sign in the distance is the ill-fated Ponet Square Apartments with its concave east side:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...6.jpg~original

uclalat_1429_b3715_G2997 at UCLA


The two commercial structures above at left are still standing. That's 239-41 W. 15th Street (b. 1928) again with its slanted roofline:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original

Jan 2017 GSV


Farther up the block is 1351 S. Olive (b. 1927?), in 1930 the home of the Los Angeles Addressing & Mailing Company:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...k.jpg~original

Close-up of uclalat_1429_b3715_G2997


Here's 1351 S. Olive in Jan 2017, with the same lettering still visible:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original

GSV


Across Pico, up at 1220 S. Olive we have the Iris Apartments (b. 1929?):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original

Close-up of uclalat_1429_b3715_G2997


Iris Apartments, March 2015:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original

GSV


Iris Apartments, August 2012 (that tree is always in the way):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

GSV


The January 2017 GSV shows us that the Iris has a new neighbor.

ethereal_reality May 13, 2017 9:56 PM

'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/IbjDyO.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reddir...album-1106684/

Mary Hockenbery

Grandma's store
somewhere I have notes that tell me what street this is in downtown
Los Angeles long ago.......

Peggy
WOW!
I didn't even know Grandma had a store. Swensen or Dorsey?

Mary Hockenbery
Swensen

:previous: Do you think there's enough information there to figure out the location of this beautiful photo?



A close-up of the young man and his dog sitting in front of the store.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/DyIEjX.png
detail

I bet it stayed nice and cool under that large shade tree.

-------


Six years ago I posted a photograph of Mary's mother walking downtown in 1935.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3989
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HossC May 13, 2017 10:12 PM

Following on from last week's Cary Grant discussion, I see that a new documentary called Becoming Cary Grant is playing at next week's Cannes film festival. It includes an exploration of his efforts to find himself through an estimated 100 sessions of LSD therapy between 1958-1961. From an article at theguardian.com:
Turned on to the treatment by his third wife, Betsy Drake, Grant submitted himself to weekly sessions with Dr Mortimer Hartman at the Psychiatric Institute of Beverly Hills. The effects were startling. “In one LSD dream I imagined myself as a giant penis launching off from Earth like a spaceship.”
The documentary will be broadcast in the US on Showtime on 9 June. Here's a preview:

Video Link

BifRayRock May 13, 2017 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 7801347)







A little more Venice. The architectural style seemed somewhat cohesive, at least through 1939. In contrast to :previous:, Market Street seems wanting for width.


1939 Mardi Gras Festival. No parade would be complete without an Elks float which appears to be proceeding east on Market Street from Ocean Front. The California Theater is listed as having been at 1506 Ocean Front, but obviously it had an entrance on Market Street. Prior to 1925 Market Street was known as Zephyr Street. Zephyr Court remains. The Horseshoe refers to a bingo parlor. It appears that the Horseshoe eventually morphed into Bridgo. Note similarity of starburst sign. And, then there is the connection with the Gashouse. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=41576 http://www.westland.net/venicehistor...businesses.htm


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...2.jpg~originalhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...coll2/id/20057




http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...f.jpg~original




Our friends at Cinema Treasures list the California Theater aka Venice Theater at 1508 Ocean Front, but at least two directories have a listing at 1506. Earlier listings are simply the SW corner of Zephyr and Ocean Front.http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2415
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1311960611






High Wide and Handsome ? ! ?
http://www.trainweb.org/dansrailpix/wigwag_anim3.gif

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mo_picture.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mo_picture.jpg



1937 (2 years earlier)
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...i.jpg~originalhttps://sites.google.com/site/movies...attredirects=0


Horseshoe becomes Bridgo
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00008/00008916.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00008/00008916.jpg






Bridgo 1948
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057288.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057288.jpg



1949 ?
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057228.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057228.jpg


Bridgo 1953
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057300.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057300.jpg








http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...u.jpg~originalGoogleSVU







Market/Zephyr Street looking east. The California Theater would have been on the right side of the street. The Horseshoe Bingo Parlor on the left.


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...h.jpg~original


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...p.jpg~originalGoogleSVU



http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...0.jpg~originalGoogleSVU








1923
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...z.jpg~original




1925
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...6.jpg~original





riichkay May 13, 2017 10:42 PM

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psleffbtln.jpg
reddit

Rosie the Riveters taking a break at Lockheed in Burbank, 1943. Note the rooftop camouflage.

BifRayRock May 13, 2017 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5598703)
More Adams:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085681.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085681.jpg

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068580.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068580.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085682.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085682.jpg

"Pedestrians stroll down Ocean Front Promenade near the pier in the Ocean Park neighborhood of Santa Monica. Numerous attractions, businesses, and concession stands are seen. Prominently visible is the second Fox Dome Theatre (center), which was rebuilt after the large 1924 fire destroyed the original structure."

Circa 1940.








http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1478211919http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1478211919



1924 This first version of the Dome Theater well done.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...b.jpg~original http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...coll2/id/19841



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