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austlar1 Mar 13, 2014 7:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6491870)
The above photo of the motel is hilarious. The middle class motel being surrounded with conspicuous high-end Cadillacs is a mixed match if I ever saw one. People driving a Cadillac would more than likely be lodging at the upscale Ambassador or Beverly Wilshire hotels. The Cadillacs nesting at this déclassé location give the impression that the motel was a hangout for hoods and mobsters.

A couple of Chevys or Oldsmobiles would have been more appropriate in my humble opinion. Having worked in advertising, I do understand the impression they were trying to create but they actually created the wrong impression.
:D:cool::rolleyes:

My grandmother, who lived in Texas, drove a 57 Caddy just like the one in the picture. She was kind of cheap, and I can imagine her stopping at a place like this somewhere along the highway. When she visited LA, however, she liked to stay out in Santa Monica at the Miramar.

GaylordWilshire Mar 13, 2014 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6491242)
The Deco Van de Kamps is gone, but caddy-corner is this gem:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

Anyone know what this started out as?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6491463)
I posted a pic of this place back on page 432, in July 2012:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...36#post5773436

I had driven by it the previous September.

It has a 1922 build date according to county records and I linked a couple of vintage pictures from the Glendale library, with businesses named Henry's Malt Shop (date unknown) and Brown Owl Ice Cream (late 1940s). Those Flickr links are dead but maybe the Glendale library has put them somewhere else.

I asked if anyone had any other information and was met with chirping crickets - 0 responses. I feel a strange kinship with the building as it seems we both toil in obscurity. ;)

I will see if I can track down the vintage pictures again since the old links are dead.


Here's one:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520AM.bmp.jpgGlendale Public Library

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...2520AM.bmp.jpg


:previous:

Re the Holiday Lodge on Alvarado: Hasn't advertising been aspirational from its earliest beginnings? Artificial if not fraudulent? (I notice that in a further attempt to burnish the Holiday Lodge's image, someone has tried to erase the power lines from the postcard picture.) The owners of the motel might also have been proud of their investment and have seen the Cadillacs as part of their own "arrival." Besides, how many people driving Chevys and Oldsmobiles were going to be paying with a Diners Club card back then? A semi-upscale motor lodge close to downtown--without parking hassles--would seem just right for the Los Angeles of the times. I also notice the "Congress" name above "Diners Club"--it appears to match the logo of the '50s-'60s chain called Congress Inns, which aimed a little higher than the average traveler, businessmen rather than the Joads.

And there are plenty of people who live in "déclassé" places who drive cars whose value is out of all proportion to value of their living arrangements, just as there are plenty of people in Pasadena and on Westside who drive the modern-day equivalents of Chevrolets and Oldsmobiles...Toyotas, Nissans...and Chevrolets.

HossC Mar 13, 2014 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6491431)

It's my understanding that there was a Gilmore Field AND a Gilmore Stadium, but I've never been sure where they were each located, except in the Fairfax/Beverly area, and what each was used for.

Martin, I'm sure I remember a great ground-level picture earlier in this thread that showed the stadium and field, but I can't find it. Below I've labeled a 1948 aerial picture of the area. Gilmore Stadium mainly hosted football and midget car racing, while Gilmore Field was for baseball.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

All that's left today is the Farmers Market, although South Gilmore Lane acts as a reminder to the past.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Google Maps

Chuckaluck Mar 13, 2014 3:16 PM

:previous:

Some images have gone AWOL: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=674 These may be reposts.


Pan Pacific Auditorium in foreground. Undated
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics40/00039924.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics40/00039924.jpg


http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4...cific11955.jpghttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2407


http://www.cbstelevisioncity.com/wp-...ld-01-copy.jpghttp://www.cbstelevisioncity.com/wp-...ld-01-copy.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102067.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102067.jpg

1939
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics38/00053922.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics38/00053922.jpg

Stadium
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075830.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075831.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075831.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048864.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048864.jpg

http://www.ilovelabut.com/wp-content...rk-la-brea.jpghttp://www.ilovelabut.com/wp-content...rk-la-brea.jpg http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6241

Chuckaluck Mar 13, 2014 3:50 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NfqiHf_jjS.../theisland.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NfqiHf_jjS.../theisland.jpg

Chuckaluck Mar 13, 2014 4:06 PM

Gilmore Gas - Said to be at Beverly and Fairfax.


May 1935 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/29861/rec/6
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0




http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/29862/rec/7

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

GaylordWilshire Mar 13, 2014 4:17 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520AM.bmp.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X...2520AM.bmp.jpg
Ebay/GSV


Found this interesting image on Ebay and decided to see if I could find the location. The Google shot is of the North Broadway bridge from the south, one pier from the west end.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

Could the railing to the left of the lamp be slightly newer than that to the right?

GaylordWilshire Mar 13, 2014 4:43 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520AM.bmp.jpgGlendale Public Library


Hadn't heard of this before...

From shallowsky.com:


"On the pedestal below her, it says:

HELP SAVE OUR TREES
THE FOREST IS THE MOTHER OF THE RIVERS


A small plaque below that says:

DEDICATED TO
THE AMERICAN GREEN CROSS
BY
GLENDALE CHAPTER No 1
MCMXXVIII


On the side of the pedestal, it says:

CONSERVE THE FORESTS
PREVENT EROSION —
RENEW SOIL FERTILITY
PERPETUATE THE LUMBER SUPPLY

The title of the work, as given on an even smaller plaque on the ground in front of the statue, is "Miss American Green Cross". Apparently it was created in 1928 by sculptor Frederick Willard Proctor, for an environmental group (although I don't usually think of "the lumber supply" being a prime concern of environmental groups).

The statue was first erected at Glendale High School in 1928. But she suffered some damage and abuse over the next few years, including being hit by a car. And then at some point in the early 1930s she disappeared. No one knew what had happened to her.

She wasn't officially rediscovered until 1954, when some hikers reported seeing it near the old Brand family cemetery, now part of Brand Park. She stood there for another three and a half decades, where she continued to be vandalized, acquiring scratches as well as graffiti, and eventually losing both arms.

Eventually, in 1990, after some debate over materials and methods, the city of Glendale restored the statue and moved it down the trail to its current location near Brand Library at the foot of the Brand Park hiking trails.

I've chuckled at this statue for years, whenever I visit Glendale and hike Brand Park. I still find her trapped legs, crucifixion motif, and pile of razed stumps creepy. But I must say that her history is a lot more interesting than I had imagined."


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...2520PM.bmp.jpg
shallowsky.com

Flyingwedge Mar 13, 2014 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6492219)

What's that little stadium in the upper right corner? It looks like Gilmore Field was built where it used to be. Gilmore Field opened in 1939; Gilmore Stadium in '34.

The banner on Gilmore Stadium says "Detroit Lions World Champions vs. Green Bay Packers next Sunday"; that game was played January 26, 1936. Over 20,000 saw the Lions win 10-3.
The photo might even show that game being played.

ethereal_reality Mar 13, 2014 5:48 PM

Interesting history of the 'Save Our Trees/Miss American Green Cross' memorial GaylordWilshire.
Reminds me a bit of our discussion of 'Chief Itchytoe'. Remember that one?




Here's a handsome Orangeade/Popcorn stand.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/845/vkud.jpg
old file of mine/probably ebay

The street number is visible, but I don't know what street. What's a bit odd is that the sidewalk looks like a boardwalk.
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Excellent images of Gilmore Stadium, Gilmore Field and Pan-Pacific Auditorium Chuckaluck.

HossC Mar 13, 2014 6:01 PM

USC dates this picture of the Farmers Market and Gilmore Stadium at 1938/39. Ground-breaking on Gilmore Field began in 1938. Maybe the dark patch on the right is the remains of the "little stadium" in Chuckaluck's picture above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

This picture gives a better view of the drive-in restaurant at the northwest corner of the stadium. The Water and Power site names it as Herberts, seen here in 1949.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
waterandpower.org

Water and Power also have a 1940 close-up of Herberts, previously posted by BifRayRock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5863517)


Moses H. Sherman Mar 13, 2014 6:04 PM

Anyone remember the Los Angeles Dons, L.A.'s first professional sports franchise. They shared the Coliseum (not Gillmore Stadium sadly) with the Rams from 1946-1949:

http://nflfilms.files.wordpress.com/...ebec55364f.jpgnflfilms.nfl.com

http://www.thighswideshut.org/images...ns_program.jpg

http://wedey.files.wordpress.com/201...-glamour-2.jpg

GaylordWilshire Mar 13, 2014 6:50 PM


Victor L. Anderson ran a filling station at 7870 Beverly Blvd from the '20s into the '30s....

http://i.imgur.com/p9ndV9R.jpgwww.jalopyjournal.com

Trucker Mar 13, 2014 6:51 PM

The Cadillac's parked at the motel twigged my memory. I own a 1956 Cadillac that was purchased from Hillcrest Cadillac by the architect James Dolena. Mr. Dolena lived in Brentwood and was the "architect to the stars" > I bought the car from Mr.. Dolena's cousin who lived in Victoria at the time. I just remembered the cousin told me that the Dolenas bought matching "his and hers" Cadillacs in 1956.
Does any of James Dolenas work remain today?
Cheers,Pat

Chuckaluck Mar 13, 2014 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6492586)
USC dates this picture of the Farmers Market and Gilmore Stadium at 1938/39. Ground-breaking on Gilmore Field began in 1938. Maybe the dark patch on the right is the remains of the "little stadium" in Chuckaluck's picture above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

This picture gives a better view of the drive-in restaurant at the northwest corner of the stadium. The Water and Power site names it as Herberts, seen here in 1949.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
waterandpower.org

Water and Power also have a 1940 close-up of Herberts, previously posted by BifRayRock.


The venues adapted to the exhibition. Recall that there was midget auto racing, horse shows, baseball, football and probably a host of other events. Look closely at HossC's bottom image and the (soccer?) grid on the field. Manchester United goes Hollywood? Per some of the earlier postings, there were a variety of circus tents and teepees erected near the Farmer's Market area too.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RFgeZSDwfJ...-ticket-ad.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RFgeZSDwfJ...-ticket-ad.jpg

Has anyone seen an aerial that includes a clear depiction of the "Gilmore" gas station (supposedly at Beverly and Fairfax)? Just read your response GW, so I know you're looking. ;) There have been images posted depicting a Standard station on the NE corner.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067272.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067272.jpg http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7503



http://lainsidertours.lainsidertours...s-1024x651.jpghttp://lainsidertours.lainsidertours...s-1024x651.jpg
Gilmore Field
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTI1WDY1Ng...ro5!~~60_3.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTI1WDY1Ng...ro5!~~60_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTUwWDU1Mw...srQw~~60_3.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTUwWDU1Mw...srQw~~60_3.JPG


http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/366336.jpghttp://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/366336.jpg

Curiously, this ebay image is listed as '39 Gilmore Stadium, Burbank West LA.
http://www.ericdatz.com/m17500.jpghttp://www.ericdatz.com/m17500.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA...tTBBmL/$_3.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA...tTBBmL/$_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODM1WDYwNQ...THzgm/$_57.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODM1WDYwNQ...THzgm/$_57.JPG

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...0453674970c-pihttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...0453674970c-pi

GaylordWilshire Mar 13, 2014 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trucker (Post 6492721)
The Cadillac's parked at the motel twigged my memory. I own a 1956 Cadillac that was purchased from Hillcrest Cadillac by the architect James Dolena. Mr. Dolena lived in Brentwood and was the "architect to the stars" > I bought the car from Mr.. Dolena's cousin who lived in Victoria at the time. I just remembered the cousin told me that the Dolenas bought matching "his and hers" Cadillacs in 1956.
Does any of James Dolenas work remain today?
Cheers,Pat


If you want to check them out to see what's still standing, here are a few of Dolena's "brand-name" clients from the Pacific Coast Architectural Database:

Bennett, Constance, House, Holmby Hills
Boddy, Manchester, House, La Canada (Descanso Gardens)
Bosworth, Hobart , House, Beverly Hills
Cukor, George House, Beverly Hills
Dolena, James E., House, Brentwood
Farmer's Market, Fairfax District, Los Angeles
Murdock, David, House, Bel-Air
Weber, Hilda Olsen Boldt House, Bel-Air

ethereal_reality Mar 13, 2014 7:09 PM

Yowsah!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/834/7667.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/27/yt1h.jpgebay

I just noticed the trees behind the Carolina Pines Jr. look like pines.
I don't know trees, so I'm guessing they're pines) I wonder if they survive?


the Carolina Pines Jr. site today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/545/ysyy.jpg

GSV




below: Across the street is this fine one story building with twelve count'em twelve miniature dormers. SE corner Melrose & Martel Avenue.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/545/k5ig.jpg
GSV
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Trucker Mar 13, 2014 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6492765)
If you want to check them out to see what's still standing, here are a few of Dolena's "brand-name" clients from the Pacific Coast Architectural Database:

Bennett, Constance, House, Holmby Hills
Boddy, Manchester, House, La Canada (Descanso Gardens)
Bosworth, Hobart , House, Beverly Hills
Cukor, George House, Beverly Hills
Dolena, James E., House, Brentwood
Farmer's Market, Fairfax District, Los Angeles
Murdock, David, House, Bel-Air
Weber, Hilda Olsen Boldt House, Bel-Air

GW,
What speed !
Thank you...I will check that out.
Cheers,Pat

HossC Mar 13, 2014 7:36 PM

Before Gilmore Field, it looks like there was a small oval track there. This picture is dated 1935.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAGilmore5.jpg
hollywoodphotographs.com

Regarding the soccer, I found that a friendly match was played at Gilmore Stadium in 1947. It was Los Angeles XI vs Hapoel Tel Aviv, and ended as a 1-1 draw. See soccerstats.us for more details. The Wikipedia article I linked to in my first post above also says cricket was played there at least once.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...moreSoccer.jpg

ethereal_reality Mar 13, 2014 7:37 PM

...so which airport is this?


It took me quite awhile to locate the plane and the parachutist. lol -let me know if you can't find the parachutist..I'll circle him.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/89/5voi.jpg
dated 1929/ebay

I didn't realize at first that the dark diagonal lines were rows and rows of automobiles.
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