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Flyingwedge Nov 28, 2018 6:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8390272)

Flyingwedge's 'mystery' house.

I thought the mantle might hold some clues.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/JqlaRw.jpg

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This photo may belong to the same set of images as those in my recent post on that unidentified house. Please note the light fixture on the wall, next to the plates:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psv3mqw8wf.jpg

photCL_555_06_413 at Huntington Digital Library, Ernest Marquez Collection


Isn't this the same light fixture as in your close-up, e_r?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscwhtwujj.jpg


To see a view of the right side of this room -- with some overlap in the middle -- and another of those light fixtures, click here.

ethereal_reality Nov 28, 2018 7:12 AM

:previous: I'd say it's the same house FW. The light fixtures appear to match.

There's also a touch of art nouveau in the leaded glass of the built-in china cabinets. not unlike the [more exuberant] art nouveau windows in your other photos.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/s6TEIx.jpg
DETAIL

Flyingwedge Nov 28, 2018 7:25 AM

:previous: :) I hadn't noticed that. I was focused on the huge serving dish inside the cabinet!

ethereal_reality Nov 28, 2018 7:30 AM

I was going to make a lame joke about the 'fondue pot' ;)

ethereal_reality Nov 28, 2018 8:09 PM

Ford Tri-Motor Airplane travels 140 miles in 70 minutes for a ten spot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/kfRQwW.jpg
Ebay

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DJjo3g.jpg
Ebay

No doubt Maddux Airlines, right? (the seller believes it is)

A bit of history:

"In 1927 Jack L. Maddux, an owner of a Los Angeles Ford and Lincoln car dealership, founded Maddux Air Lines. The airline’s inaugural flight was on September 22, 1927
when the airline’s Ford 4-AT Tri-motor carrying 12 passengers flew from San Diego, California to Los Angeles, California.[1] This flight was to a small dirt landing strip
that would later become Los Angeles International Airport, although the landing strip, called Inglewood Site, was not suitable for the airline, and Jack Maddux chose instead
Rogers Airport, with improved facilities, and later Grand Central Air Terminal in Glendale. Among the passengers were several notables, and although the event was kept
relatively quiet, it served as a publicity act."

Hmmm...there's no way of knowing [for sure] if the photo shows the Inglewood Site....Rogers Airport....or Grand Central Terminal.
The location in the pic looks rather undeveloped. I'd rule out Grand Central.

Could this photograph show the return flight of the inaugural flight in 1927?
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Beaudry Nov 28, 2018 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8392395)
Wow!

Do you have a link to the full-sized image, Beaudry?

Sure! Here it is in all its 800dpi, 7.2mb glory.

ethereal_reality Nov 28, 2018 8:46 PM

Last night, while trying to find out more about the old city hall [Temple's building in the article below]
I saw the key words 'Cavalry' and '1964' and thought it was referring to the Civil War.

Now I see that it's an ad for a Native Cavalry Co. (with a $260 bounty!)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/SAtdR0.jpg
Los Angeles Star, July 16, 1864

Am I correct in saying it's a posse in search of Native-Americans [Indians].

As for the bounty: Is the $260 for the capture, or killing, of Indians? If so, is it $260 for ea individual...or..:shrug:

odinthor Nov 28, 2018 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8393116)
Last night, while trying to find out more about the old city hall [Temple's building in the article below]
I saw the key words 'Cavalry' and '1964' and thought it was referring to the Civil War.

Now I see that it's an ad for a Native Cavalry Co. (with a $260 bounty!)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/SAtdR0.jpg
Los Angeles Star, July 16, 1864

Am I correct in saying it's a posse in search of Native-Americans [Indians].

As for the bounty: Is the $260 for the capture, or killing, of Indians? If so, is it $260 for ea individual...or..:shrug:

e_r, this is mostly guesswork by me, but: This probably refers to one of the pseudo-military companies which were formed at the time to protect the community from bad guys. For instance, see this from the January 24, 1857, Los Angeles Star: “During the week, Mr. Getman, the City Marshal, called public attention to the present disturbed and dangerous state of society here, inviting all interested in maintaining peace and order to come forward and enroll themselves as a cavalry company, to hold themselves in readiness for immediate service. About a dozen persons responded to the call, by enrolling their names, and placing each a horse or equipments at the disposal of the Marshal. When those persons owning property and engaged in business display such apathy in so vital a matter, no wonder robberies and murders are of so frequent occurrence. The first requirement of society is protection to life and property—without which we need never look for an augmentation of population. This can be secured only by the cooperation of the people of the locality. The Marshal is unceasing in his efforts to bring the guilty to punishment, and deserves well of the community. We understand that one or two convicts, escaped from the State prison, are connected with this band of robbers. On Thursday night, the Sheriff, J.R. Barton, Esq., mustered a company, and went in search of the outlaws who are committing depredations in the neighborhood of San Juan [Capistrano] and other places in the county. We hope these companies will shoot down the ruffians, should they find them. We want no prisoners, to saddle the county with their support for months, winding up with the farce of trial and acquittal.” (Barton, of course, came to a bad end.)

A rival such company--called the Rifle Company--was organized in L.A. in March, 1857. Here's something from the April 4, 1857, issue of the Los Angeles Star: “At an election for officers of this company, held last week, the following gentlemen were chosen to fill the respective offices: Cap[t]ain—W.W. Twist. 1st Lieut., W.D. Brown; first 2nd Lieut.: A. Albright; second 2d Lieut., Henry King. Surgeon, Dr. Carter; Asst. do., Alex. S. Read. 1st Sergeant, Alonzo Waite; 2d, Joseph Warble; 3d, Sydney Waite; 4th, Geo. S. Dillon; 1st Corporal, M. Flashner; 2d, Theo. Wettergren; 3d, Perry Switzer; 4th, Samuel Meyers. Farrier and saddler, H. McLaughlin. Trumpeters, Huestus Smith and Henry Ulyard. The company numbers, besides the above, forty-five privates. The uniform adopted is neat and inexpensive—black pants, blue shirts, and blue caps. The arms are the rifles lately received from the State. The company paraded during the week at the funeral of their deceased member, Mr. H. Wagner, and made a very creditable appearance.”

"Native" in "Native Cavalry Company" probably refers to "us locals" rather than to Indians.

The bounty is likely an inducement paid to each company applicant who is accepted.

"Lieut. Streeter," I conjecture, is frontiersman William Adams Streeter, who married Josefa Valdez, who, though born in Santa Barbara (in 1826?), was confirmed at L.A. Plaza Church in 1830; she married Streeter October 3, 1848, at the Santa Barbara Presidio chapel. Valdez's father was Ramon Jose Antonio Valdez (alias Jose Ramon Antonio Valdez) . . . who happens to be one of the five memoirists in a recently-published book authored by one [checks spelling] Brent C. Dickerson. Josefa's great-grandfather was Eugenio Valdez of the Rivera Expedition. Honorifics such as "Lieut." and "Capt." etc. are to be looked at with suspicion in this era, and not as necessarily betokening actual military rank, current or past, in the U.S. Army.

Let's see . . . Have I beaten this to death yet? [checks] Yeah, looks like it. :D

Scott Charles Nov 28, 2018 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8393101)
Sure! Here it is in all its 800dpi, 7.2mb glory.

Thank-you, Beaudry! What a fantastic image! :)

CityBoyDoug Nov 29, 2018 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8393058)
Ford Tri-Motor Airplane travels 140 miles in 70 minutes for a ten spot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/kfRQwW.jpg
Ebay


No doubt Maddux Airlines, right? (the seller believes it is)

A bit of history:

"In 1927 Jack L. Maddux, an owner of a Los Angeles Ford and Lincoln car dealership, founded Maddux Air Lines. The airline’s inaugural flight was on September 22, 1927
when the airline’s Ford 4-AT Tri-motor carrying 12 passengers flew from San Diego, California to Los Angeles, California.[1] This flight was to a small dirt landing strip
that would later become Los Angeles International Airport, although the landing strip, called Inglewood Site, was not suitable for the airline, and Jack Maddux chose instead
Rogers Airport, with improved facilities, and later Grand Central Air Terminal in Glendale. Among the passengers were several notables, and although the event was kept
relatively quiet, it served as a publicity act."

Hmmm...there's no way of knowing [for sure] if the photo shows the Inglewood Site....Rogers Airport....or Grand Central Terminal.
The location in the pic looks rather undeveloped. I'd rule out Grand Central.

Could this photograph show the return flight of the inaugural flight in 1927?
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Fare in 1927 was $10........that would be $145 in 2018.

Flyingwedge Nov 29, 2018 5:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8393058)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/kfRQwW.jpg
Ebay

No doubt Maddux Airlines, right?

"In 1927 Jack L. Maddux, an owner of a Los Angeles Ford and Lincoln car dealership, founded Maddux Air Lines. The airline’s inaugural flight was on September 22, 1927
when the airline’s Ford 4-AT Tri-motor carrying 12 passengers flew from San Diego, California to Los Angeles, California.[1] This flight was to a small dirt landing strip
that would later become Los Angeles International Airport, although the landing strip, called Inglewood Site, was not suitable for the airline, and Jack Maddux chose instead
Rogers Airport, with improved facilities, and later Grand Central Air Terminal in Glendale. Among the passengers were several notables, and although the event was kept
relatively quiet, it served as a publicity act."

Hmmm...there's no way of knowing [for sure] if the photo shows the Inglewood Site....Rogers Airport....or Grand Central Terminal.
The location in the pic looks rather undeveloped. I'd rule out Grand Central.

Could this photograph show the return flight of the inaugural flight in 1927?
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That looks like the Rogers Airport just north of the Baldwin Hills, e_r, and I think I can make out Maddux on the side of the plane.
While the photo doesn't show the inaugural flight in 1927, the photo might be from that year.


Here's a 1929 photo looking SW at Rogers Airport (which I believe opened at this location on April 3, 1927) with the Baldwin Hills
in the background:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psnesnr1rr.jpg

DW-1929-09-25-124 @ USCDL


In this close-up from the previous photo, see how the plane is sort of in a little corral, behind that low fence? I think that's the same
fence around the plane in the ebay photo, which looks NE, in the opposite direction:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psqmxklnvw.jpg


This looks SE at a Maddux Ford Tri-Motor that had just crossed over Crenshaw Blvd. (then called Angeles Mesa [or sometimes just Mesa] Drive)
as it came in for a landing at Rogers Airport in 1929. The utility poles and lines along Crenshaw match up with those in the background of the
ebay photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4zhkspsw.jpg

DW-1929-91-10-35 at USCDL


Maddux got his first Ford Tri-Motor in July 1927, when they were still new and attracted a crowd of curious onlookers. Perhaps that's what
the ebay photo shows:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psut0dmrrz.jpg

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psz0f4wc8o.jpg

July 28, 1927, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL



http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psdgdpmnxv.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbk0nynfm.jpg

September 11, 1927, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


This article says Maddux began its San Diego-to-LA service about six months previous, which would be September 1927:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psxjseu2lp.jpg

March 26, 1928, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL

ethereal_reality Nov 29, 2018 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8393617)
This looks SE at a Maddux Ford Tri-Motor that had just crossed over Crenshaw Blvd. (then called Angeles Mesa [or sometimes just Mesa] Drive)
as it came in for a landing at Rogers Airport in 1929. The utility poles and lines along Crenshaw match up with those in the background of the
ebay photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4zhkspsw.jpg

This definitely looks like the same airport! Thanks FW.


Just for fun..here's a map. :)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/XoBnle.jpg
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/...doned airfield repeat for nla?
Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8393444)
Fare in 1927 was $10........that would be $145 in 2018.

Thanks CBD.

ethereal_reality Nov 29, 2018 9:43 AM

Here's a photograph of Maddux pilot Lawrence Fitz when he was young.

FW
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/h45Eor.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/ULL6Dz.jpg
dmairfield




And the Maddux Airlines Ticket Office downtown....first posted 7 years ago!
Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5219655)
Maddux Airlines, located at 636 S. Olive in downtown LA.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics29/00034235.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics29/00034236.jpg
LAPL

Beautifully designed window. It must have looked great at night. (backlit and all)

ethereal_reality Nov 29, 2018 11:20 AM

Earlier I had asked if this ad was referring to Native-Americans [Indians].

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/SAtdR0.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8393238)
Edited
:previous: This probably refers to one of the pseudo-military companies which were formed at the time to protect the community from bad guys.

"Native" in "Native Cavalry Company" probably refers to "us locals" rather than to Indians.

One such company--called the Rifle Company--was organized in L.A. in March, 1857.

Thanks for answering my questions odinthor. It must be somewhat of a busman's holiday for you. ;)


Here's some information on another quasi-military group, the 'California Rangers' (which you have no doubt covered in your books on old California)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/ZSXNRi.jpg
PAYMENT
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/V9lTpA.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/0mSDCt.jpg
Information found HERE


AND FROM usc / dornsife
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/gCrjQA.jpg
from usc / dornsife

It looks like the graph stops right before the Chinese Massacre.

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ethereal_reality Nov 29, 2018 11:34 AM

Flash forward to 1947.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/w5vmdB.jpg
LAPL




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/i4Ldsn.jpg

GaylordWilshire Nov 29, 2018 6:38 PM

:previous:


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/FMN8L9.jpg

Loving the detail

ER: From your post of June 18, 2015 here


Looks good even in clothes (he's at right)

https://i.postimg.cc/k4YPLD0y/pederson3men.jpg

HossC Nov 29, 2018 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8393666)

Rogers Airport had me confused until I re-read FW's post above and BifRayRock's post from 2012. I was only familiar with the Wilshire/Fairfax/San Vicente location shown above (those are the current street names), but as you can see from the aerial below, these was nothing left by 1927 (I can't imagine that airplanes would've been popular neighbors of the 1926 Carthay Circle Theater).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rsAirport2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

The site at Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard and Crenshaw (current names again) is also triangular, so that may have been what confused me. I can't see a defined runway in this 1927 view, but I think there's a single plane there.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rsAirport1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Flyingwedge Nov 30, 2018 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8394496)

The site at Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard and Crenshaw (current names again) is also triangular, so that may have been what confused me. I can't see a defined runway in this 1927 view, but I think there's a single plane there.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rsAirport1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu


The line of buildings that ends about where the d in MLK Jr Boulevard is . . . those are the buildings at Rogers Airport, which
I don't think ever got its runway paved. In fact, I don't think any of the five airports that once lined the west side of Crenshaw
between MLK on the south and Exposition on the north had a paved runway:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psappfifag.jpg

October 3, 1929, Department of Commerce Airway Bulletin No. 225 (Revised) for Rogers Airport @ Hathitrust


[EDIT: A review of my files shows that a note in the December 30, 1928, LA Times mentions that the field at Lincoln has been
"surfaced," but with what is not specified. My guess is the field was oiled, rather than paved with concrete.]



This 1929 image doesn't show Rogers Airport, but it shows the other four airports to the north (each row of buildings = one airport).
Above the lower right corner is Audubon Middle School, with Leimert Blvd. running diagonally near the bottom of the photo:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psfktqjm05.jpg

DW-10-206-5-ISLA at USCDL


From what I've found, P. A. T. Airport (for Pacific Air Transport; initially called Ryan Airport) opened first, either in late 1925
or very early 1926. Rogers was next in April 1927. American was open by November 1927 (the August 21, 1927, LA Times
describes P. A. T. and Rogers as being the only two open at the time). Lincoln was probably next (no later than May 1928),
but Sperl was definitely the last of the five to open, around October 1928.


There are a few more images that show the Baldwin Hills Rogers Airport here.

Lomara Nov 30, 2018 2:52 AM

LA Curbed just posted an article with 9 Ansel Adams photos of 1940's Los Angeles

https://la.curbed.com/2018/2/20/1703...angeles-photos

The article says the photos can be found in the LAPL collection, and were first put on display in February 2012. Have we seen them before on NLA?

Ansel didn't like them at all apparently, and didn't want them back. He valued them at $100 minimum, but that's in 1940 dollars. What's that worth now? I'd think it would be quite a bit of money.

ETA: http://www.in2013dollars.com/1940-do...018?amount=100 gives the current value of $100 in 1940 as $1806.32, which would buy me a new appliance or two.

Quote:

The photos were donated to the Los Angeles Public Library by Adams in the early 1960s, shortly after he rediscovered them. According to drkrm, a letter included with the donated photos indicated that Adams was less than impressed with his own work photographing the city.

“The weather was bad over a rather long period and none of the pictures were very good,” Adams wrote. “I would imagine that they represent about $100.00 minimum value... At any event, I do not want them back.”
Looks like we already saw the Princess Hotel image in the article.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=37015

And there are more here of the Olympic trailer court at 2121 Bundy:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24388

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4863/...6cd3bb6a_b.jpg
court_flight_ansel_adams by Kimberly, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4823/...139e0530_b.jpg
ansel_adams_hill_street_overlook by Kimberly, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4832/...ca158406_b.jpg
Coastline_in_Santa_Monica_view_1 by Kimberly, on Flickr

ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2018 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8394624)
https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psappfifag.jpg

October 3, 1929, Department of Commerce Airway Bulletin No. 225 (Revised) for Rogers Airport @ Hathitrust

WOW...:previous: I didn't realize there were five airports right in a row.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8394624)

From what I've found, P. A. T. Airport (for Pacific Air Transport) was initially called Ryan Airport.

If I'm not mistaken, Ryan Airport was named after the Ryan M-1 monoplane. [shown below: flying over, what looks like, Baldwin Hills]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/y5r8P1.jpg
September 1926: a RYAN M-1 of Pacific Air Transport carries passangers and mail between Los Angeles and Seattle. FLYING MAGAZINE

FW, was there ever a beacon on the top of Baldwin Hills?...or is this just the artist's imagination? :shrug:

YOU CAN READ MORE ABOUT PACIFIC AIR TRANSPORT HERE

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ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2018 10:57 AM

At first, this was a mystery home...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SyZIDv.jpg
1986 santa monica library

since then...I've found out that it's the old Kyte(?) House that once stood at the corner of Washington Blvd. and Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica.

In 1973 it was moved to 2640 Main Street, Santa Monica.



I believe the home is behind the trees in this GSV.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/yH14hX.jpg
GSV


I could only get a side-view of the house.

FROM MAIN STREET
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/PgKxdM.jpg


The home was built by wealthy dowager Mary Kyte in 1894.

I searched NLA for "Kyte" but nothing turned up. Has anyone heard of this woman before?

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ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2018 11:28 AM

This one is a mystery.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/v7zEgN.jpg
Ebay

I thought for sure there'd be a house number...but nooooooooo.

BUT (and it's a BIG BUT)...there's information on the reverse.

Written on the back is "Mrs. Simond's home in Hollywood where we staid."[sic] *

I wouldn't put too much faith in the spelling of "Simond's"...as you can see, stayed was mispelled.

Good Luck sleuths!



EDIT:

Any idea what's written on the tire? (another clue perhaps?)

blurry
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/hAo9I7.jpg

The first word on the bottom appears to start with the letter V.

* The seller didn't include a photograph of the back of the photo.


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nealberke Nov 30, 2018 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8391131)
From an article titled Naughty Los Angeles in the 1890s.

We have discussed (and seen) Los Angeles' first City Hall many times on NLA...but this is the first time I've heard
there were prostitutes working inside of it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/iRk96y.jpg
VERSO Huntington Blog

Was anyone, here on NLA, aware of this?
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SIDENOTE:

I might have mentioned flue #5 before, but I don't recall the other four!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/GemJIJ.jpg

What's going on in the second floor (besides prostitution) that required so many flues. Did the architect forget to include chimneys?

p.s. perhaps Ms. Morton ran a massive opium den as well... thus the flues.

;)
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Is it possible that this building was retrofitted for hot water heating and that this picture was taken closer to the 1890's? Edwin Ruud developed the automatic hot water heater in 1889 according to this Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_heating. By the way, flues #1 and 4 originate from the first floor and go to the roof.

GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2018 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8394963)
This one is a mystery.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/v7zEgN.jpg
Ebay

I thought for sure there'd be a house number...but nooooooooo.

BUT (and it's a BIG BUT)...there's information on the reverse.

Written on the back is "Mrs. Simond's home in Hollywood where we staid."[sic] *

I wouldn't put too much faith in the spelling of "Simond's".....the author spelled stayed as "staid". :dunce:

Good Luck sleuths!



EDIT:

Any idea what's written on the tire? (another clue perhaps?)

blurry
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/hAo9I7.jpg

The first word on the bottom appears to start with the letter V.

* The seller didn't include a photograph of the back of the photo.


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Well, the Hollywood Tire Shop at 6528-30 Hollywood Blvd sold Pennsylvania Vacuum Cup tires.... Nothing yet on the house....

Tourmaline Nov 30, 2018 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8394496)
Rogers Airport had me confused until I re-read FW's post above and BifRayRock's post from 2012. I was only familiar with the Wilshire/Fairfax/San Vicente location shown above (those are the current street names), but as you can see from the aerial below, these was nothing left by 1927 (I can't imagine that airplanes would've been popular neighbors of the 1926 Carthay Circle Theater).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rsAirport2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu


Not sure we will ever resolve the confusion regarding exactly which quadrant of the Wilshire-Crescent/Fairfax intersection each "strip" occupied. It appears that landing strips may have been a moving target through the years. In one of the images (4), hangars are on the left (SW) side of Wilshire and there are airplanes on the right side (NW) side of Wilshire. The first oft-posted image (1) contains a barely visible pencil note indicating the location we assume to be Wilshire-Cresent as "Wilshire and La Brea." Wilshire appears to be running horizontally in the foreground and we are looking toward the northwest. Although the intersection of the two streets does not appear exactly square, the asymmetry could possibly be attributed to the camera angle so that the striped hangars paralleled Crescent/Fairfax. San Vicente, the street bisecting Wilshire at an angle, presumably had a set of street car tracks when the photo was taken, and this may have precluded parked cars. Of course, the image appears to have been taken on a special occasion, when perhaps the street cars were on temporary holiday. :shrug:

Some sources place Rogers aka Crescent Field on the "NW" corner of Wilshire and Crescent/Fairfax, as depicted in the ("Hobbs") image (5). If the street map (2) is accurate, Crescent/Fairfax intersects Wilshire but does not appear south of Wilshire, also suggesting impending development.

Map (2) contains interesting directions. "Get off on Airdrome Station on Flying field." Curious if other streetcar maps depict "Airdrome Station" and whether there is any available photographic evidence of the same. Along those lines, image 6, of the Carthay Center, supposedly depicts the first Rogers Airport. San Vicente appears to run in the foreground. Note the parallel white lines that seem to depict an elevated crossing, possibly at Wilshire.

1.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5332/6...8c86fdde_b.jpg


Quote:

According to K.O. Eckland, Rogers Airport opened in 1918 at the northwest corner of Wilshire Boulevard & Crescent Avenue (now Fairfax Avenue). It was an unpaved field measuring 3,681' x 1,500'. http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/...ds_CA_LA_W.htm

2.
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/..._m57f779f5.jpghttp://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/..._m57f779f5.jpg



3.
Rogers circa 1920
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Rogers_CA_20.jpghttp://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Rogers_CA_20.jpg



Appears that Wilshire runs perpendicular in this image and this is a view toward the west. At top, where San Vicente crosses Wilshire, is there an overpass? (blurry white image)
4.
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/..._m3387827e.jpghttp://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/..._m3387827e.jpg




5.
~`1922
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/...m_3c4ea29c.jpghttp://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/...m_3c4ea29c.jpg


6.

Quote:

Aerial view of Carthay Center, looking west across field of the first Rogers Airport at Wilshire Boulevard and Fairfax Avenue. Wilshire Boulevard is the tree-lined street seen in the center of the image
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7. Striped Hangars? (bottom right)

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SweetLosAngeles Nov 30, 2018 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8391131)
From an article titled Naughty Los Angeles in the 1890s.

We have discussed (and seen) Los Angeles' first City Hall many times on NLA...but this is the first time I've heard
there were prostitutes working inside of it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/iRk96y.jpg
VERSO Huntington Blog

Was anyone, here on NLA, aware of this?
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SIDENOTE:

I might have mentioned flue #5 before, but I don't recall the other four!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/GemJIJ.jpg

What's going on in the second floor (besides prostitution) that required so many flues. Did the architect forget to include chimneys?

p.s. perhaps Ms. Morton ran a massive opium den as well... thus the flues.

;)
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This story in particular is a hot button for me! Someone wrote a fiction story set in Los Angeles "based on true events." In the book they say prostitution went on in the "old courthouse", but of course don't mention WHICH courthouse or the location. So fans of the book look up old courthouse Los Angeles, and see this photo and attribute the prostitution to it.

I think it would have been an older building closer to the plaza back when a building wasn't dedicated to being a courthouse. Though now the internet is filled with this rumor as everyone pins it on Pinterest. >.<

HossC Nov 30, 2018 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8394961)

At first, this was a mystery home...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SyZIDv.jpg
1986 santa monica library

since then...I've found out that it's the old Kyte(?) House that once stood at the corner of Washington Blvd. and Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica.

In 1973 it was moved to 2640 Main Street, Santa Monica.

...

I could only get a side-view of the house.

2640 Main Street, Santa Monica is now an event venue called The Victorian. I found this 2016 image of the original front side.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Victorian1.jpg
Aaron Johnson/Google Maps

Handsome Stranger Nov 30, 2018 10:36 PM

A tantalizing announcement...

https://i.postimg.cc/RFb4BVWv/snap.jpg

Here's the linked article from the tweet:

NHPRC Awards $278,000 Grant to Digitize Unseen Photos of 1930s and '40s L.A.

ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2018 11:55 PM

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/6011/EoLvjY.gif

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2018 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetLosAngeles (Post 8395398)
This story in particular is a hot button for me! Someone wrote a fiction story set in Los Angeles "based on true events."
In the book they say prostitution went on in the "old courthouse", but of course don't mention WHICH courthouse or the location.
So fans of the book look up old courthouse Los Angeles, and see this photo and attribute the prostitution to it.

I think it would have been an older building closer to the plaza back when a building wasn't dedicated to being a courthouse.
Though now the internet is filled with this rumor as everyone pins it on Pinterest. >.<

Thank you for the clarification SweetLosAngeles, I should have looked into the 'rumor' more diligently. [before I posted about it]
Perhaps the author of the book confused Temple's 'cupola' building with Temple's two story adobe at the intersection of Spring, Main and Temple.
(the same block as the first city hall 'cupola' building)

THIS ONE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/9nDlg3.jpg
goldenrulelodge


the goldenrulelodge
link is interesting.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2018 12:41 AM

Here's a photograph that shows Temple's two story adobe and the first city hall building. (cupola in background)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JJlOxh.jpg
waterandpower

"Looking south toward Temple Street from some point on the Main Street side of the buildings." [1872] waterandpower


hmmm....what do you think "some point" is?..........the roof of the Downey Block?
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ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2018 1:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nealberke (Post 8394974)
Is it possible that this building was retrofitted for hot water heating and that this picture was taken closer to the 1890's? Edwin Ruud developed the automatic hot water heater in 1889
according to this Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_heating. By the way, flues #1 and 4 originate from the first floor and go to the roof.

nealburke, thanks or pointing out that flue #1 and #4 originate from the first flooor. I hadn't noticed that.

"Is it possible that this building was retrofitted for hot water heating and that this picture was taken closer to the 1890's? "

The photograph is dated 1858. I realize dates can be wrong..but forty years is a pretty big gap. (also.....would hot water heat require multiple flues?) The house I grew up in has hot water heat.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2018 1:51 AM

reposted by GAYLORDWILSHIRE
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/FMN8L9.jpg
ER: From your post of June 18, 2015

He's a bit too beefy for me GW.

I like'm mean and lean. :whip: and long and lanky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8394148)
Looks good even in clothes (He's at right)

https://i.postimg.cc/k4YPLD0y/pederson3men.jpg

The middle guy is missing his eyeballs.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/SFvomH.jpg
see original 'arrest' post HERE.

Charles Putman (the blonde dude) lived two doors down from Frederick's of Hollywood at the time of his arrest in 1947.
The Capt. said that address [6624 Hollywood Blvd.] was a bowling alley at the time. He's no doubt implying that Putman is lying.


Today, 6624 Hollywood Blvd. is a one-story modern building (at least I think it's modern)
....OR could this building be the old bowling alley building?

Check it out HERE (Mike's Pipe Shop)

p.s. I need help in finding a photograph of this block from the 1940/50s. I want to see this elusive 'bowling alley' for myself


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BillinGlendaleCA Dec 1, 2018 4:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8395803)
Today, 6624 Hollywood Blvd. is a one-story modern building (at least I think it's modern)
....OR could this building be the old bowling alley building?

Check it out HERE (Mike's Pipe Shop)

p.s. I need help in finding a photograph of this block from the 1940/50s. I want to see this elusive 'bowling alley' for myself


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The one story building isn't 6624 Hollywood, it's 6620 Hollywood. The building at 6622-24 is two stories and was built in 1917. Mike's Smoke Shop used to be at 6622 but moved to the next building, at least that's what appears to have happened.

Good News! The 6622-24 building is for sale! Only $5.5 million, it's a steal.

odinthor Dec 1, 2018 5:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8395918)
The one story building isn't 6624 Hollywood, it's 6620 Hollywood. The building at 6622-24 is two stories and was built in 1917. Mike's Smoke Shop used to be at 6622 but moved to the next building, at least that's what appears to have happened.

Good News! The 6622-24 building is for sale! Only $5.5 million, it's a steal.

Hmmm. Pretty good location. [gets out check book] Does it have everything we need for the NLA clubhouse? :???:

Flyingwedge Dec 1, 2018 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8394958)

FW, was there ever a beacon on the top of Baldwin Hills?

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Actually, yes, there used to be a beacon atop the Baldwin Hills. But it wasn't an aircraft beacon. Instead it was beacon of Yuletide
warmth and good cheer.

Near the NW corner of the five-point intersection of La Brea, Stocker, and Overhill, one of the old oil derricks had strings of red lights
that ran from the top platform to the ground, all the way around the derrick. There was also a star with white lights on the very top of
the derrick. The star may have rotated, but I don't remember for sure.

The article below describes the beginnings of what is now Kenneth Hahn State Recreation Area. On the famous oil derrick I've
approximated one of the strings of red lights and also the star (which, again, had white lights). The article implies that the lights
were left up all year but turned on only during the Holiday Season:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psanqyppsr.jpg


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrs1rv8rp.jpg

April 25, 1976, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


I don't know when the lights were first installed, but I remember seeing this oil derrick lit up in the mid-to-late 1960s. The lights
and the derrick lasted until the mid-to-late 1980s, if I remember correctly. Do other NLAers recall this seasonal light display?


This c. 1952 photo looks north from the west side of Overhill Drive at the five-point intersection of Overhill, La Brea, and Stocker.
I may have arrowed the decorated derrick, or it may have been out of the photo on the left side:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...ps0hyf09d6.jpg

257391 @ HDL -- Doug White photo



Of the structures below that appear to be oil derricks, I believe I've squared the one with the lights and star, which may not
have been installed at the time of the photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2dl6rp0r.jpg

November 26, 1965, Flight C_25019, Frame 410 at UCSB


A utility pole at or near the site of the old derrick now has strings of multi-colored lights, but looking at various GSV images,
I don't think the lights are left up all year. I'm not sure when this new tradition began, but I believe the lights are in the oil
field, not in the park:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psptzszwhw.jpg

December 2017 GSV



http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psraat7osj.jpg

FW photo taken earlier today at KHSRA

ethereal_reality Dec 2, 2018 12:30 AM

:previous: "photo taken earlier today." Feet on the ground. :) Thanks for snapping the photo for us FW.

I didn't know about the oil well with the star on top and lights (or the current structure)

Where I live [West Lafayette IN] they decorate the dome of the Lafayette Court House in a similar manner. HERE

nealberke Dec 2, 2018 4:59 AM

The only other thing I think those flues could be for is a wood or coal burning stove or furnace. Maybe more likely than hot water?

Looking at the other things in the photo, I can't tell from the clothes or the wagon if the date was closer to 1890 or earlier.

A wood or coal burning appliance of some sort would make sense as a retrofit for a boarding house. Maybe this was not a "bawdy" house or bordello but a boarding house? Someone may have just heard wrong?

nealberke Dec 2, 2018 5:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8395765)
nealburke, thanks or pointing out that flue #1 and #4 originate from the first flooor. I hadn't noticed that.

"Is it possible that this building was retrofitted for hot water heating and that this picture was taken closer to the 1890's? "

The photograph is dated 1858. I realize dates can be wrong..but forty years is a pretty big gap. (also.....would hot water heat require multiple flues?) The house I grew up in has hot water heat.

The only other thing I think those flues could be for is a wood or coal burning stove or furnace. Maybe more likely than hot water?

Looking at the other things in the photo, I can't tell from the clothes or the wagon if the date was closer to 1890 or earlier.

A wood or coal burning appliance of some sort would make sense as a retrofit for a boarding house. Maybe this was not a "bawdy" house or bordello but a boarding house? Someone may have just heard wrong?

ethereal_reality Dec 2, 2018 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nealberke (Post 8396542)
The only other thing I think those flues could be for is a wood or coal burning stove or furnace.

I think this flues are for wood burning stoves.


I couldn't find any mention of the additional flues being installed in Temple's building, but here's an ad for stoves from around the same time period. LOS ANGELES STAR, Nov. 8, 1862

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/p8TcVC.jpg
LOS ANGELES STAR, Nov. 8, 1862


While skimming through the old L.A. Stars I happened upon this article about a flue made out of wood catching fire at Independence Hall.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/1LCETy.jpg
...........................................................................................................................:previous: oops, not 1989.

It was 1856 I believe.

ethereal_reality Dec 2, 2018 7:26 PM

Mystery of the 'miniature church'.

Can anyone tell me what this little structure is that's sitting in the sand? The rounded tower makes it look like a tiny Russian Orthodox Church.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/e3KK0F.jpg
DETAIL








It appears in a photograph of Long Beach that we've no doubt seen before.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/P8BY3S.jpg
Old file

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Earl Boebert Dec 2, 2018 9:30 PM

^^^

Looks like a camera obscura to me.

Cheers,

Earl

Tikiman Dec 2, 2018 9:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8396811)
Mystery of the 'miniature church'.

Can anyone tell me what this little structure is that's sitting in the sand? The rounded tower makes it look like a tiny Russian Orthodox Church.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/e3KK0F.jpg








It appears in a photograph of Long Beach that we've no doubt seen before.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/P8BY3S.jpg
Old file

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This reminds me of a stable and feed silo. Pony rides along the beach maybe?

CityBoyDoug Dec 3, 2018 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8396811)
Mystery of the 'miniature church'.

Can anyone tell me what this little structure is that's sitting in the sand? The rounded tower makes it look like a tiny Russian Orthodox Church.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/e3KK0F.jpg
[SIZE="1"]DETAIL[/SIZE






It appears in a photograph of Long Beach that we've no doubt seen before.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/P8BY3S.jpg
Old file

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that's a lifeguard station. They lasted for many years and were still there in the 1950s

ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2018 4:16 AM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/tuIsSG.jpg

:previous: Didn't early lifeguards sometimes take rope out with them? Maybe there's a spool of rope in the round part.

It could also be a look-out for the lifeguards (but they weren't gaining much...it's no taller than a normal person) ha ha
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I like the thought of little ponies on the beach Tikiman, :banaride: Yee Ha!
.........and a camera obscure is a pretty good idea too Earl.

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ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2018 6:20 AM

...and speaking of diminuative buildings

Can anyone tell me what this is?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/C88PT0.jpg

It's located on the northwest corner of Opp St. and Eubanks Ave. in Wilmington.

(the stone structure is surrounded by an extraordinarily tall fence. (taller than what's usually found on private property anyway)





The view from Eubanks Ave.

from this side it looks like it could be an incinerator......or an oversized backyard BB-Q)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/clfatu.jpg

You can check it out for yourself HERE (or the link under the first photo)

ProphetM Dec 3, 2018 7:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8397300)
...and speaking of diminuative buildings

Can anyone tell me what this is?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/C88PT0.jpg

It's located on the northwest corner of Opp St. and Eubanks Ave. in Wilmington.

(the stone structure is surrounded by an extraordinarily tall fence. (taller than what's usually found on private property anyway)





The view from Eubanks Ave.

from this side it looks like it could be an incinerator......or an oversized backyard BB-Q)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/clfatu.jpg

You can check it out for yourself HERE (or the link under the first photo)

Provided that you zoom to the appropriate level, Google Maps has it marked as a powder magazine. This revelation led me to the nearby Drum Barracks Civil War Museum and Drum Barracks Park. (Named after someone named Drum, not a barracks for drummers.) The area was a 60 acre military post named Camp Drum. It was the Union Army's headquarters for southern California and Arizona during the Civil War. The museum is owned by the state and leased to the City of Los Angeles to run it. I did find mention of the powder magazine on the museum's web site on the Model Room page, but it was not stated who owns that property, or if the museum controls it.

http://www.drumbarracks.org

AlvaroLegido Dec 3, 2018 6:46 PM

Ambassador at the Beach
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8396811)

The double building on the left (there were posts on it) is in the style of the Ambassador Hotel. Not only impressive but beautiful... with a touch of the Japanese fashion of the 1910s. CityBoyDoug and odinthor - our 2 long beachers - do you have memories ?

odinthor Dec 3, 2018 7:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 8397691)
The double building on the left (there were posts on it) is in the style of the Ambassador Hotel. Not only impressive but beautiful... with a touch of the Japanese fashion of the 1910s. CityBoyDoug and odinthor - our 2 long beachers - do you have memories ?

Sadly, AL, the Virginia Hotel was long gone by the time my eyes came into the world. Closed in 1932, razed in 1933. Originally, as I understand, it was to have a circular ballroom at the top; but a construction accident put an end to that plan.

ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2018 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 8397321)
Provided that you zoom to the appropriate level, Google Maps has it marked as a powder magazine. This revelation led me to the nearby Drum Barracks Civil War Museum and Drum Barracks Park. (Named after someone named Drum, not a barracks for drummers.) The area was a 60 acre military post named Camp Drum. It was the Union Army's headquarters for southern California and Arizona during the Civil War. The museum is owned by the state and leased to the City of Los Angeles to run it. I did find mention of the powder magazine on the museum's web site on the Model Room page, but it was not stated who owns that property, or if the museum controls it.

Wow! Thank you ProphetM



Here's an image of the powder magazine...in what looks like..the early stage of deterioration. {1900s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Ui0xgZ.jpg
ipmg


hmmmm.....note the single 'window'. In later pics there are two larger windows.

as it appears today,
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/nfGe3m.jpg

It makes me wonder if someone tried to convert it into a living quarters.





also.....too

The B & W pic. can't be showing this side. The door is in the wrong place.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/if9hU3.jpg

See how sleuthy I am.


;)


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