;) http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29242

:cheers:

Until you actually sample the goods? Doesn't look like much thought went into climate control. On the other hand, it may have been a mild season. :shhh:

I also posted a bit about the Sunset Orange a few months ago: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=47493

mystery house on hilltop
 

Perhaps we've seen this before....but I don't recall seeing it before.
What caught my eye is the large, and impressive, house on the hill.

The description on the cabinet card is rather vague...
"Lincoln Heights near L.A. High School."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5yvawv.jpg
OAC

If we have seen this before...refresh my memory. Who belongs to that house on the hill? [who built it?]



It's really quite unique; especially the mansard-like roof in the back.

Here's a closer-look.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/DgyUt4.jpg

for search purposes: Lincoln Heights near L.A. High School. C.C. Pierce

Ah, good call. Kind of like musical chairs but with bathrooms!

Here's another photograph from the same group of cabinet cards.

We have probably seen this one before (a loooooong time ago), but I have a couple questions I'd like to ask. (of course ;))

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Rwy5ok.jpg
See it BIG here > > UC Berkeley/OAC L.A.'s first street-car

#1
Why is the horse in the cart. (or is it a donkey?)
& I just noticed the mane(s)...are there two horses? If so, are they BOTH in the cart..or just one?
It's really weird. It looks like two horse heads on one horse body)

(Is the horse/donkey getting new shoes?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/Jpvxu8.jpg
detail / I don't think the donkey/horse has to be in a cart to get new shoes.

I'm not entirely sure what it says on the cart.


#2
Do you think we're good enough sleuths now to figure out the location? (the best clue, as far as I can see, is the doctor's name)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/BNeriT.jpg

I tried to find the location but was unsuccessful. Admittedly, it was a quick search.


I realize my #1 question turned into 5 sub-questions..
but whatcha gonna do...

I think I may know where the house was...here's a 1927 aerial view of the area west of Lincoln High.
https://i.postimg.cc/FzgkQSxc/Mystery2018110101.pngvia Frame Finder

There is a large house in the circle that has elements that match ER's photo, however looking at the 1921 Baist map of the area shows no house:
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3VZ7Sb/Mystery2018110103.png1921 Baist

Now ER's photo is older than 1921 and there's a house, the aerial is 1927 and it shows a house with similar features. Here's the current view from Google Maps:
https://i.postimg.cc/zvjvQrJF/Mystery2018110102.pngGoogle Maps

I believe the photo was taken at Broadway and Gates looking at the house on the hill to the northeast. But the Baist Survey only shows small houses...my brain hurts.

(After seeing Flyingwedge's post...)

"Missed it by that much..."

If I'm interpreting the information on that photo at oldhomesoflosangeles correctly, the house was built by the Baron and Baroness Rogniat, and it burned in 1894.

William Woolwine then built a home on the property, before the original Lincoln HS campus subsequently was built on the site, now the NE corner of North Broadway
and Lincoln Park Avenue.

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I just found another view of the Rogniat home (at right), c. 1890. The information with this photo says the Rogniat home burned May 18, 1891*:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psme5goybq.jpg

ebay


* The fire was actually on the 17th.

A. E. CRONENWETT

LEADING JEWELLER

MONROVIA USA



A possible Doctor Percival location.

https://i.imgur.com/ZiGPxv8.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


Although the date for the listing is later, it's in the right vicinity for the first horse drawn street railway.

"On July 1, 1874, the modest, horse-drawn cars of the Spring and Sixth Street Railroad became the first streetcars to roll down Los Angeles streets. Founded by lawyer Robert M. Widney, the Spring & Sixth operated a regular schedule, running cars hourly on weekdays between 6:30 a.m. and 10 p.m. For a ten-cent fare, passengers could ride the one-and-a-half-mile route from the intersection of Temple and Spring south to Sixth, and then west to Figueroa."

kcet.org

:shrug:

Twilight over Los Angeles.

Shot in 8K (4320P).

My video card can barely handle 4K (2160P) and can only display 1080P.

Good luck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb1NvPIhssk

https://i.postimg.cc/PJ6g6gCg/laplfirefull-bmp.jpgLAPL


A must-read--a brilliant writer on the 1986 fire:


https://i.postimg.cc/Gm9ySG5V/librarybook4nla.jpg

News for Flickr users:

https://gizmodo.com/flickr-is-going-...you-1830177165

Earl

The man in the light(er) colored hat instantly brought to mind Will Rogers to me.

https://americacomesalive.com/i/will...40-210x300.jpg

NLA has become so big that who can remember all of the things posted on here!? (This is a good problem.)
Someone should go through the forum and make an index of all the places and photos. :haha:

I know that's :koko: but I thought I'd say it anyway!

On the other hand, I guess some duplication isn't necessarily a bad thing depending on where the photos are sourced:

I'm sorry your brain hurts. sad

but that was some mighty fine sleuthing you did on that first cabinet card. (even if you were wrong off by a tiny bit.

As always, I appreciate your help.
Amazing find FW! If the house burned down in 1891...that means the cabinet card must be from the late 1880s. ( they don't call me a sleuth for nuttin' ;))




The windmill is huge!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/S2qcOy.jpg
DETAIL

Unless it's a lot closer to the camera. (but it looks fairly close to the house)




This is a bridge, right? Is it just going over a road...or is there a stream as well?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/fuxu3d.jpg
DETAIL

I am surprised by how wide it is...especially for the late 1880s.

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Does anyone know where silent film star Louise Brooks lived?

I came across several photographs of her- that were taken at her home, and in her backyard, in 1925.


I'll start with this one. (they get more interesting as I go along) note the wrought iron lamp

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8fzhVL.jpg
fromthebygone







Louise having tea with her younger sister, June.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/xWvw8D.jpg
fromthebygone




I find the next two photos especially intriguing becase of the ornamental 'garden', that was constructed around a small group of trees in her backyard.
I don't believe I have ever seen anything quite like it.

It's almost like a little stage.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cRhX1F.jpg
fromthebygone

If you ask me (and you didn't), the poor trees seem a bit confined. I wonder if something like this is detrimental to the trees? (Yoo Hoo, odinthor)







This one is my favorite. A regal spot for a photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/bZodtL.jpg

fromthebygone

If we're able to figure out where she lived [at least in 1925], I thought it'd be fun to to snoop around the property [via google_earth] and see if this strange garden feature is still intact.

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Louise Brooks, as LuLu, in her most famous film, Pandora's Box. [1929]

https://imageshack.com/a/img921/5240/bjlMk7.gif
giphy

https://imageshack.com/a/img924/5302/UMSTL0.gif
giphy

Gotta' love LuLu.



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Thanks for your help Noir Noir.

R. M. Widney [attorney] is listed, with scant details, in the 1875 Southern California Directory.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/sFxKH0.jpg
lapl



By 1887-88 he has become a judge, the president of the University Bank of Los Angeles, and a real estate dealer living at 310 S. Olive Street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/H12Sfz.jpg
lapl




There are quite a few more Widneys listed in the 1894 L.A. Directory.

R. M. is still the president of the bank, but has moved to 416 S. Olive St.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/Hm1rSF.jpg

I didn't find any indication that he owned a street car 'railroad'. I'll keep looking.


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Louise Brooks, Helen Twelvetrees, Laurel Canyon
 

A google search led me to the "Louise Brooks Society" blog which says Louise Brooks lived in Helen Twelvetrees old Laurel Canyon home. It didn't provide an address anywhere, though. But there are many photos of Louise around the property with current photos of the inside and outside. It also identifies the photos as from 1927, not 1925. The trees may or may not be the same ones, but the "stone throne" is no more.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4871/...fee17b0a_c.jpg
Louise Brooks Stone Throne by Kimberly, on Flickr

There are tons more photos on the blog. It's broken down in 4 parts. Unfortunately all of the text is small and embedded in images.

Part 1: http://louisebrookssociety.blogspot....n-home-of.html

Part 2: http://louisebrookssociety.blogspot....ome-of_12.html

Part 3: http://louisebrookssociety.blogspot....ome-of_13.html

Part 4: http://louisebrookssociety.blogspot....ome-of_14.html

More googling led me to an undated page for a property in Laurel Canyon named "Twelvetrees", also without an address. It appears to be the same place judging by the staircase photo within. It has been painted but appears to be the same one. This property page says they restored the home, and the photos appear to be quite a few years old.

http://www.jamanproperties.com/twelvetrees.html

So, I have found the house, but not the address! I know the sleuths here will find it.

Just to back up what Lomara wrote...the photos must be from 1927 or later. Louise Brooks' whereabouts in 1925/1926 are discussed in her book Lulu in Hollywood. She was in New York City then, and it wasn't until 1927 that she moved to Hollywood.

Is this it?

https://i.imgur.com/Bfu0GeE.jpg

GOOGLE MAPS LINK

No. I found that earlier too but it's tiny. No pool. Look at the property link I posted earlier for the description of the property. It's HUGE.

http://www.jamanproperties.com/twelvetrees.html

I just found this page regarding the documentary film about Louise Brooks. More photos of the house exterior here.

http://www.documentaryofalostgirl.co...of-a-lost-girl

And then I found Movieland directory that says at one time Louise lived at 366 Laurel Canyon. If you read the Louise Brooks Society blog entries, it mentions the street was renumbered. If we dig up older maps maybe the renumbered address can be found.

http://movielanddirectory.com/star.cfm?star=26953

Found it - it's 8110 Gould Avenue:

https://i.imgur.com/r0ybA7b.jpg

Link to house on Google Maps

https://i.imgur.com/ahpe2MO.png

https://i.imgur.com/lLuOjms.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/s0ZFSmS.jpg

The Brooks house is just a few doors down from the house I posted in my previous post...

https://i.imgur.com/uqxBXEV.jpg

The real estate link in my other post (LINK) claims that the house with the green border is the Twelvetrees house... they must be mistaken. Either that, or Helen Twelvetrees owned houses on both sides of the same street.

Well done Scott! I found it too and was going to post the address only you beat me to it. Besides, your images are so much nicer than what I had.

Sorry if I beat you to the punch, Lomara! I'm just glad we were both able to find it! :)

While checking real estate sites, I'm seeing the property with the address 1881 Laurel Canyon as well as 8100 Gould. However, each real estate site I check has varying details on build date and number of bedrooms. I wonder what state the public records are in. One has last sold 1990, one shows last sold 2005.

I also wondered about the other site allegedly owned by Helen Twelvetrees. Redfin puts it at 8125 Gould with a build date of 1959. She passed in 1958, so maybe this is on the right location but was torn down and rebuilt?

As with Flickr monkeying around with their policies...


...in searching things on NLA I've recently discovered photos, like the one below, with new watermarks on them
that were not there when originally posted:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/newberry.jpg


A search shows photobucket is up to some new tricks:

Also, E_R, in the first part of a post you made, do you know why the picture is NOT what you are describing? Just noticing a lot of weird things today.

:previous: I have no idea Martin_Pal.

Imageshack shows the photograph of the stamps in my account but I am almost certain it isn't mine.

of course the photo of the stamps has nothing to do with homes for unwed mothers. It's truly bizarre.

re: Louise Brooks' home.

Impressive in tandem sleuthing Lomara and Scott Charles. I missed all the excitement.
Thanks so much for figuring out which house was Louise's.

I haven't checked the links you provided Lormara. Right now I'm maneuvering through several rabbit holes.

'mystery' window.

The seller describes the photograph as a "private, personal pin-up". (no doubt- because the lady is topless)



I thought it would be fairly easy to figure out where this woman was when she leaned out the window. Probably a hotel, right?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/QLhuvy.jpg
etsy

..or maybe not.

Let's take a look at the theater out the window:
Is it the Fox Wilshire?...or is it the Fox Westwood Village? Neither one perfectly match.


&- Initially, I thought the view out the window might be a backdrop. It looks like it's torn on the left (above and below the woman's head)
but on closer inspection...I see that it's the edge of the exterior wall in shadow. oops *cleans eyeglasses*

So where the heck is this woman?

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https://i.postimg.cc/zB3ByVzx/tearoom.jpg

I'm inclined to vote for Prop 7 as well.

BTW, I hate to be so nitpicky as this is an extremely common error, but it's properly called Daylight Saving Time. Singular. Think "It's time to save daylight."

The Mayfair Hotel in Pomona.https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1915/...ebc70fbc_m.jpg

The Fox Ritz Theater on Wilshire Blvd at night, circa 1940s.
 

The Fox Ritz Theater on Wilshire Blvd at night, circa 1940s. Pulled down in 1977 and replaced by the mother of all LA clichés: a parking lot.

But the E. Clem Wilson and the Dominguez-Wilshire buildings are still with us, so two out of three ain’t bad.


https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...1940s-copy.jpg

Thanks for figuring out the mystery window Tikiman. I was way off.
Hmmm...it's quite close to being the same room.

I won't ask where you got the modern photograph. but I'm so curious I could S C R E A M :gaah:

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...http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2...0/postcard.jpg not here anymore

I went to this place with some friends. The big deal was that it featured old-fashioned comfort food. The dessert was some very sticky concoction of bread and custard. One time was enough.

https://food.fnr.sndimg.com/content/...263237145.jpegfood network

I proudly use the plural: Savings, like a savings account at the bank. I stash an hour a day, and spend it all on Christmas Time. :)

I found a whole bunch of getty images without the getty marking over the photographs. (it's like I entered through a backdoor or something)
I was thrilled until I realized there wasn't any information on the photos either. (except for the year) I kid you not.


In this case...the year is 1955.

I can't figure out why these women are digging a large square hole. (actually it's rectangular...but you know what I mean...right Handsome Stranger?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/50rdth.jpg
gettyimages

Other than digging a mass grave for their husbands...I have no idea what their plans are. (mass graves are nothing to joke about) ...but still.


Here's a second pic taken from across the street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/tjhyv8.jpg
gettyimages

There is some writing...but I haven't been able to make out what it says.


EDIT : I just realized there aren't any shovels in the pics, so perhaps they're not doing the actual digging (just measuring)
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'mystery' victim

The year is 1955.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nteYef.jpg
gettyimages

Poor guy.





It looks like there might be another casualty in the backseat.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/BQ7KP8.jpg
DETAIL

Dirtiest car ever.






I just have to ask. What is growing, so poorly, in this patch along the street? (we might need odinthor for this one)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/xjsT1M.jpg
DETAIL

Any ideas?

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It looks like the writing in the second shot is just who's in the photo. Here's a negative and flipped version:

https://i.postimg.cc/Kz96gtk7/tjhyv8...s-negative.jpggettyimages

I think the theory of mass graves for their husbands is a solid one.

:previous: Thanks Bill. Now to check the lapl directories to see if any of them are listed.
If we find an address/and in turn, the house. we can look to see if anything is still visible in yard.

One more 'mystery' for tonight before I hit the hay.

I had to chuckle when I first saw this photograph. To me, it looks like the woman is picking her husband up at the airport
but they're obviously up in the hills somewhere.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/16oP9v.jpg
etsy

Any idea where this was taken? Could it be a composite? ...either way, I'm confused. :eeekk:


Here's the complete ad. I couldn't get it to enlarge very well so it's on the blurry side.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/cq90Fh.jpg
etsy

The seller mentions Brentwood. I'm sure why, unless it's the location of the Cadillac Dealership. (but I don't see the dealership mentioned anywhere on the ad)

You can check in out for yourself here > ETSY

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Here's the Getty's caption for the image: "Air Raid Tower squabble, 1955
Air Raid Tower squabble, 12 October 1955. Mrs Hazel Fry;Don Fry, 34;Mrs Shirley Silver;Mrs Mary Jean Bullard;Mrs Kay Nielson;Conrad Bullard, 5;Mrs Mabel Wall;Mrs Beverly Romesburg.;Caption slip reads: 'Photographer: Gray. Date: 1955-10-12. Reporter: T.T Assignment: Air Raid Tower Squabble. 3/4' L to R, Mrs Hazel Fry, Mrs Shirley Silver, Mrs Mary Jean Bullard, & Mrs Kay Nielson - look at 5' x 5' x 5' - hole in Fry front yard. 5: L to R: (Loma shot) Mrs Hazel Fry, Conrad Bullard, 5, Mrs Mabel Wall, Mrs Mary Jean Bullard & Mrs Beverly Romesburg - Look at hole. 6: Pix of Air Raid Siren Tower on grounds of former Birmingham General Hospital. Tower such as this is planned for lawn of Fry home by City Civil Defense. 15/16: Don Fry, 34, Administrative Assistant to Geo. Messengen, Flying Tiger Line Vice President, Maintenance'.. (Photo by Los Angeles Examiner/USC Libraries/Corbis via Getty Images)"

The Birmingham General Hospital was operated by the US Army during World War II and was closed in 1950. I was converted into classrooms and it now known as Birmingham Community Charter High School.

This is not the location of this pic, but the heliport in Griffith Park is often used for Buick commercials. It has a nice view of Downtown LA as a backdrop.

So I take this to mean the hole will become the foundation for an air raid siren tower, no?

Among other things, both J.P. and R. M. Widney were instrumental in the establishment of USC.

From R.M.'s Wiki page:
"Los Angeles was still a growing frontier town in the early 1870s, when a group of public-spirited citizens led by Judge Robert Maclay Widney first saw the need and imagined establishing a university in the city. It took nearly a decade for this vision to become a reality, but in 1879 Widney formed a board of trustees and on July 29, 1879, secured a donation of 308 lots of undeveloped land in South Los Angeles from three prominent members of the community — Ozro W. Childs, a Protestant Los Angeles horticulturist and merchant; former California governor John G. Downey, an Irish-Catholic pharmacist and businessman; and Isaias W. Hellman, a German-Jewish Los Angeles philanthropist and banker/founder of Farmers and Merchants Bank of Los Angeles. The gift provided land for a campus as well as a source of endowment, the seeds of financial support for the nascent institution."

From J.P.'s Wiki page:
"Widney married twice. His first wife was Ida DeGraw Tuthill Widney on May 17, 1869 in San Jose, California. They lived in the Bunker Hill, Los Angeles, California area, next to his brother Judge Robert M. Widney."

and: " He was concerned about water conservation, and warned what is now called smog, identifying it as a concern in 1938, well before it gained official recognition in Los Angeles.

J.P. served as USC's second president.

Plenty more interesting tidbits here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Widney

and here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Widney

R.M. Widney statue in front of Widney Alumni House, USC
https://i.imgur.com/NsCxXEZ.jpg?1https://deskgram.net/explore/tags/widneyalumnihouse

Yes, there was a Nike launch site close by. It was just north of where The Japanese Garden is now.

I can't comment further until we resolve whether this is a whole hole or half a hole.