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oldstuff Jun 13, 2018 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219198)
The last time I thought I could stump the forum was when I asked about the downtown building with an ocean liner on its roof. Of course, you people are unstumpable, and the building was identified in the very first response!

Well, here's another one to try to stump the forum with! All these posts about amusement parks reminded me of it.

This place was a miniature golf course within a quarter mile of my parents' house. It was located on the south side of Riverside Drive in Toluca Lake. It was between Cartwright Avenue to the east, and Riverton Avenue to the west. The approximate location can be seen here on Google Maps.

https://i.imgur.com/YbJRTWC.jpg

The following is all from memory, and may not be fully accurate: The golf course was there in the 1970s, and might be much older than that (I'd guess since the ’60s, maybe even the ’50s). I got my driver's permit in 1982, and I remember driving past the course at least once, so it was still standing around ’82-’84. It was out of business by that time, and the buildings that replaced it probably showed up in the mid/late ’80s. My older brother remembers the course, too, but he doesn't remember its name or any other details. He actually went there with a date, but I never got to go there.

I've tried to locate the place over the years by using Google, but any search for “miniature golf riverside drive” (or similar) simply redirects you to the nearby Lakeside Golf Club on the shores of Toluca Lake, roughly ten blocks away. Frustrating!

I've actually dreamed about this place over the years: in my dream it will be night time, I'll pull the car over, and wander through the course. Abandoned amusement parks and places like that appeal to me for some odd reason, which is probably why I have these dreams.

Does anybody else here remember this miniature golf course?

I have a vague recollection of it being there, although I never actually went there. I do have another recollection of there being a miniature golf place in Glendale, which backed up to the Verdugo Wash. I think it was between Central and Pacific on Arden. Long gone now, replaced by boring buildings, it was probably there into the early 1970's.

As to abandoned amusement parks, in the 80's I took my kids to see the ruins of Marineland. All the buildings, tanks for fish and animals, and the tower were still there, rusting away in the ocean air. It was fascinating as I could remember going there as a child and loving it.

oldstuff Jun 13, 2018 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8218350)
After Noir Noir posted that great ad for orchids from Tropical Flowerland I was ready to let the subject go. (to everyone's relief no doubt ;))
But since it's me :), I decided to go on one more 'orchid' google search.


This view shows the shock-proof outer wall (Hal said the glass could be easily repliced)
At the bottom, you can see Hal's car parked on rails that cantilever out past a retainng wall.


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Aren't you glad you weren't the neighbor who lived down the hill below that cantilevered car thing!! In earthquake country. Your house is fine and then boom! a car lands on top of it.

Some friends of my parents had a house with a variation on that theme. They built their house with a channel coming off of the pool and opening up in the dining room. You could swim along this river thing, duck under the glass wall of the house and into the dining room. You then could duck under the other glass wall and swim back to the main pool. They finished the house in the early to mid 1960's and I was one of the first to swim in the pool after they moved in. I thought it was great at the time. They did not have a bomb shelter. That house is still there in the Burbank Hills although who knows what has been done to it in the intervening years.

Andys Jun 13, 2018 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8219397)
I do have another recollection of there being a miniature golf place in Glendale, which backed up to the Verdugo Wash. I think it was between Central and Pacific on Arden. Long gone now, replaced by boring buildings, it was probably there into the early 1970's.

I played that miniature golf course a couple of times with my GF. Small, and sort of tucked away off the beaten path. Though not an amusement park, the Verdugo Pool near the Verdugo Road and Canada Blvd. split (adjacent to the Civic Auditorium), commonly known as "The Keyhole" (for its shape), was built in 1938. Closed in 1987. Been there many times.
Andys

Noir_Noir Jun 13, 2018 5:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219198)
The last time I thought I could stump the forum was when I asked about the downtown building with an ocean liner on its roof. Of course, you people are unstumpable, and the building was identified in the very first response!

Well, here's another one to try to stump the forum with! All these posts about amusement parks reminded me of it.

This place was a miniature golf course within a quarter mile of my parents' house. It was located on the south side of Riverside Drive in Toluca Lake. It was between Cartwright Avenue to the east, and Riverton Avenue to the west. The approximate location can be seen here on Google Maps.

https://i.imgur.com/YbJRTWC.jpg

The following is all from memory, and may not be fully accurate: The golf course was there in the 1970s, and might be much older than that (I'd guess since the ’60s, maybe even the ’50s). I got my driver's permit in 1982, and I remember driving past the course at least once, so it was still standing around ’82-’84. It was out of business by that time, and the buildings that replaced it probably showed up in the mid/late ’80s. My older brother remembers the course, too, but he doesn't remember its name or any other details. He actually went there with a date, but I never got to go there.

I've tried to locate the place over the years by using Google, but any search for “miniature golf riverside drive” (or similar) simply redirects you to the nearby Lakeside Golf Club on the shores of Toluca Lake, roughly ten blocks away. Frustrating!

I've actually dreamed about this place over the years: in my dream it will be night time, I'll pull the car over, and wander through the course. Abandoned amusement parks and places like that appeal to me for some odd reason, which is probably why I have these dreams.

Does anybody else here remember this miniature golf course?


Bartmus' Miniature Golf at 10660 Riverside Drive.


The site housed Doc Crew's Sports Center from 1947 until the Bartmus family took over in 1957. They had another miniature golf course at 2703 Magnolia Blvd, Burbank.


Here's an aerial from 1971.

https://i.imgur.com/Kfl2dEY.jpg
UCSB - Flight TG_2755, Frame 25-26


https://i.imgur.com/z1ufzDn.jpg
Cloudfront


Pictures from the early 1980's. It was demolished in 1985.

https://i.imgur.com/IJoBzNJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c5hFgtJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cKWfUds.jpg


These are from a Facebook group post where people share their memories of the place.

Facebook - Valley Relics Group

John Maddox Roberts Jun 13, 2018 6:01 PM

In the '50s stations KFWB and KRLA used to run an ad for Nu-Pike "on the beach at Long Beach." It mentioned "Kiddieland" and a "free zoo." SoCal was rich in amusement parks before the Mouse absorbed everything.

Tourmaline Jun 13, 2018 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219180)

I never went to, nor heard of, this Playland you mention, unihikid. But I did go to another place somewhat nearby that hasn't been mentioned yet - [B]Beverly Park, aka Kiddieland/B]:

Located where the Beverly Center is now, Kiddieland was open between 1945 and 1974.

My family has photos of my big brother and I riding the cars at Kiddieland. Anybody else remember this place?


:hi: Beverly Park has been mentioned several times on NLA.

For example
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8016
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22262


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7547


https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...79&oe=5BB8658Ahttps://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...79&oe=5BB8658A


https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...20&oe=5BB358D2https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...20&oe=5BB358D2


https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...78&oe=5BA7A38Ehttps://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...78&oe=5BA7A38E

https://www.facebook.com/groups/41435512560/

http://laist.com/2015/02/24/beverly_...ey.php#photo-1

Scott Charles Jun 13, 2018 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8219653)
Bartmus' Miniature Golf at 10660 Riverside Drive.


The site housed Doc Crew's Sports Center from 1947 until the Bartmus family took over in 1957. They had another miniature golf course at 2703 Magnolia Blvd, Burbank.


Here's an aerial from 1971.

https://i.imgur.com/Kfl2dEY.jpg
UCSB - Flight TG_2755, Frame 25-26


https://i.imgur.com/z1ufzDn.jpg
Cloudfront


Pictures from the early 1980's. It was demolished in 1985.

https://i.imgur.com/IJoBzNJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c5hFgtJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cKWfUds.jpg


These are from a Facebook group post where people share their memories of the place.

Facebook - Valley Relics Group

You're amazing, Noir_Noir - first you solved my ship-on-the-roof mystery, now you've solved this one! You're really good at this stuff! :worship:

This image is exactly how I remember it - seeing this photo is like going back in time:

https://i.imgur.com/IJoBzNJ.jpg

Thanks so much for helping me with this mystery of mine - I (literally) don't know how you do it!

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2018 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8219391)
Commemorates the victory of Hermann the Cheruscan, AKA Arminius, over the Romans at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. There's a giant statue of the guy in New Ulm, Minnesota, known to locals as "Hermann the German." There was a fraternal order called the "Sons of Hermann."
Cheers, Earl

Earl da man! Thanks. :)

This article says the Sons of Hermann met above the Turner Hall saloon on S. Main St.

MARCH 5, 1901
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/bKWNCU.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/i9UPxX.jpg
CDNC

It's a bit humorous at the end...with the keystone-like cop chasing the poor waiter.


1893
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Cz77vy.jpg
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ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2018 11:09 PM

Turnverein (Turner) Hall [c.1888]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/NME8Dc.jpg
LAPL

A large group posing in front of the new Turnverein building in 1888, located at 321 So. Main Street.
This was a club of German Americans.



Class assembled inside Turnverein Hall, located at 321 So. Main Street. [c.1888]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/c9dHPs.jpg
LAPL

The interior looks huge in this photo.

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BillinGlendaleCA Jun 13, 2018 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219180)
Places I've never heard of:

Jungleland
Calico Ghost Town
Monkey Island
Ostrich Farm
Gay's Lion Farm
Playland near Pan Pacific Park



Jungleland was in Thousand Oaks, it closed in 1969. The Thousand Oaks Civic Arts Plaza and The Lakes at Thousand Oaks is now at it's former site.

ethereal_reality Jun 14, 2018 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles
My family has photos of my big brother and I riding the cars at Kiddieland.

I'd really like to see you and your brother driving that car Scott. :)

Here are a couple of ebay snapshots taken at Kiddieland in 1970.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/J8igrc.jpg
EBAY

I have to confess...the Mom is the most interesting thing in the pic.




Is this the car you and your brother drove Scott Charles?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/susvS3.jpg
EBAY




Not to be sexist or anything...here's a closer look at Mom.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/NXp3Bg.jpg
detail

She definitely looks familiar to me. I'm thinking television guest star.

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ethereal_reality Jun 14, 2018 3:23 AM

MISLABELED photograph currently on Ebay.

"Vintage 1940's L.A. photo / Graham BIG BAND Banner at Ivy's Tavern by KNX Radio."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/r9ckRH.jpg
EBAY

The seller could only see part of the sign in the mid-distance. It's Al Levy's Tavern not Ivy's Tavern.

And the banner is actually hanging ouside of the IT CAFE!
_________________________________________________________________

I couldn't find any information on Johnny Black or Al Graham's Orchestra.

Handsome Stranger Jun 14, 2018 5:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8220442)
I couldn't find any information on Johnny Black or Al Graham's Orchestra.

Graham fronted one of the lesser dance bands of the 1930s and 1940s. Here's a brief review from Billboard Magazine, January 23, 1943.

https://s22.postimg.cc/ml266135t/AG-1.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/cazr6sl01/AG-2.jpg
[source: Google Books]

I haven't found any evidence that Al Graham's Orchestra ever made any records, which helps explain why they are virtually unknown now.

There was a pianist in the 1920s and 1930s named Johnny Black who was well known as a stage performer. He also wrote a song called "Paper Doll" several years before the Mills Brothers turned it into a huge hit record. However, Black was murdered in 1936, a year before Clara Bow's It Cafe opened. So the Johnny Black that appeared with Al Graham must be a different one.

odinthor Jun 14, 2018 5:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8220210)
Earl da man! Thanks. :)

This article says the Sons of Hermann met above the Turner Hall saloon on S. Main St.

MARCH 5, 1901
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/bKWNCU.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/i9UPxX.jpg
CDNC

It's a bit humorous at the end...with the keystone-like cop chasing the poor waiter.


1893
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Cz77vy.jpg
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Interesting, e_r--thanks. Patrolman Abbott is almost certainly Frank Abbott, of a most notable and notorious family.

From my notes:

Abbott, Frank; ca. 1879-1880, born; father, furniture-maker William Abbott; mother, Maria Merced Garcia (she of the Merced Theater); 1894, perhaps the boy who was fined for jumping onto a moving train; and, in 1897, said to be his mother’s “pet”; 1898, presumably the Frank Abbott who was a park policeman in Elysian Park who had his shoulder dislocated in a struggle with a suspicious person in the park; 1902, now patrolling as a policeman, had his shoulder dislocated by a horse at 7th and San Julian; 1904, while chasing mischievous boys on 23rd St., tripped and again injured his much-tried shoulder; 1904, after having studied at Berkeley as a theological student, returned to L.A. and married Miss Lucy Collins—on Catalina Island—in the face of the bride’s parents’ aggressive dismay (story in L.A. Times, 8/6/1904); 1908, in self-defense, killed his nephew W.E. Johnson (insufficient evidence to charge, said the indulgent court); “Mrs. Lulu C. Abbott was denied a decree of divorce in Judge Avery’s court after a hot contest yesterday. She claimed that her husband, Frank Abbott, called her names; that he remained out at nights and threatened her with a butcher knife. A former nurse and a former maid in the Abbott home in Santa Monica were witnesses for the wife. Mr. Abbott denied all the charges. The court ordered him to continue paying his wife $50 a month for the support of herself and their four children. He is a member of an old family, which, at one time, owned large tracts on both sides of Alameda street and now has heavy holdings on North Main street” (L.A. Times 8/30/1917); February 23, 1918, part of police honor guard at the laying-in-state in City Hall of former mayor W.H. Workman (L.A. Times 2/24/1918); “Paris. September 5. (AP)—[…] Mrs. Frank Abbott obtained a divorce from Frank Abbott, who is listed as an American but with only a Paris address given. Mr. Abbott originally applied for a divorce on the ground of indifference, but his wife made a counter-claim on the same ground and won the decree” (L.A. Times 9/6/1927); June 22, 1937, “Injured: […] Frank Abbott, 58, 327 Bonita avenue, Pasadena. […] Orin M. Woodruff, 36, of Buena Park, is in the County Jail on charges of suspicion of hit-and-run driving as the result of an accident early yesterday at Lakewood and Carson boulevards near Long Beach. Woodruff’s car, according to Norwalk station deputy sheriffs, collided with one driven by Frank Abbott, 58, of 327 Bonita avenue, Pasadena, who had as a passenger Edward P. Marrow, 28, of 2570 First avenue, San Diego. […] Both Abbott and Marrow were injured slightly and treated at the Community Hospital, Long Beach” (L.A. Times 6/23/1937); September 4, 1940, at the Plaza, introduced with other representatives of old Angeleno families by Leo Carrillo at a ceremony marking the city’s 159th anniversary (L.A. Times 9/5/1940).

The Abbotts en masse were . . . quite a dynamic bunch . . . ;)

Flyingwedge Jun 14, 2018 6:11 AM

Turn Verein Halls
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8220229)
Turnverein (Turner) Hall [c.1888]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/NME8Dc.jpg
LAPL

A large group posing in front of the new Turnverein building in 1888, located at 321 So. Main Street.
This was a club of German Americans.


The cornerstone for the Turn Verein Hall on South Main was laid on October 22, 1893, and the building opened in
early 1894, so the LAPL has misdated that photo. Ve vill make them pay for this!


1894 LA City Directory:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psomfmjzjn.jpg

LAPL


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8220210)


In 1888 Turn Verein Hall was on the west side of South Spring between Second and Third Streets, as noted above
(its address prior to the 1890 city renumbering was 137 S. Spring). Here is an 1895 photo of that building, marked
"Music Hall" at left next to the taller Los Angeles Theater (aka Neal Building):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfvdniweu.jpg

00015031 @ LAPL

CityBoyDoug Jun 14, 2018 6:48 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps49550d96.jpg
Photobucket album

I've posted this before but here I am at Kiddieland. That's my brother in back.
I guess I thought this was all very serious business. The place had a rather rough edge about it.
After this we would go to some restaurant which were packed
to the ceiling after WW II. People had more money to spend on eating out than they do now. It was a very prosperous time.

Scott Charles Jun 14, 2018 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8220295)
I'd really like to see you and your brother driving that car Scott. :)

Is this the car you and your brother drove Scott Charles?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/susvS3.jpg
EBAY

The family photo albums are currently in storage - meaning that they're inside a box somewhere, in a stack of a great many boxes.

BUT if I get the chance to dig through things, I definitely will post pics!

CaliNative Jun 14, 2018 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8219391)
Commemorates the victory of Hermann the Cheruscan, AKA Arminius, over the Romans at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. There's a giant statue of the guy in New Ulm, Minnesota, known to locals as "Hermann the German." There was a fraternal order called the "Sons of Hermann."

Cheers,

Earl

Teutoburg Forest battle was one of the greatest upsets in military history. Augustus lost 3 of his Legions and the loss drove him into a deep depression. The historian Suetonius said Augustus would shout out "Varus, give me back my legions!". Varus was the losing Roman commander. It ended the Roman attempt to move much beyond the Rhine. Interestingly, even in Augustus times, the Imperial guard was made up largely of Germans. For those who remember the "I Claudius" BBC series from the 1970s on public broadcasting, there was an entire episode largely devoted to this disaster and the effect it had on Augustus. "I Claudius" can still be seen on youtube. Still entertaining.

oldstuff Jun 14, 2018 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8220263)
Jungleland was in Thousand Oaks, it closed in 1969. The Thousand Oaks Civic Arts Plaza and The Lakes at Thousand Oaks is now at it's former site.

Jungleland had "Clarence the cross-eyed lion" who, at one point had a TV show and also a movie. He really was cross-eyed. Jungleland was the first place I ever rode on an elephant. I have a picture somewhere at home. I would have gone there in about 1962.

Louis Goebel of "Goebel's Lion Farm" owned the property from about 1925 and trained animals for movie work. Leo, the MGM Lion lived there.

Earl Boebert Jun 14, 2018 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8220600)
Teutoburg Forest battle was one of the greatest upsets in military history. Augustus lost 3 of his Legions and the loss drove him into a deep depression. The historian Suetonius said Augustus would shout out "Varus, give me back my legions!". Varus was the losing Roman commander. It ended the Roman attempt to move much beyond the Rhine. Interestingly, even in Augustus times, the Imperial guard was made up largely of Germans. For those who remember the "I Claudius" BBC series from the 1970s on public broadcasting, there was an entire episode largely devoted to this disaster and the effect it had on Augustus. "I Claudius" can still be seen on youtube. Still entertaining.

Here's a picture of Hermann the German, exhorting the good burghers of New Ulm to battle:

https://www.ci.new-ulm.mn.us/vertica...3E90D02%7D.JPG

Lots of interesting urban legends about how that thing survived two World Wars. New Ulm was, when we lived in Minnesota, a very German place.

Cheers,

Earl

odinthor Jun 14, 2018 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219180)
Wow, what a list of amusement parks you folks have come up with! Brings back a lot of memories!


I never went to, nor heard of, this Playland you mention, unihikid. But I did go to another place somewhat nearby that hasn't been mentioned yet - Beverly Park, aka Kiddieland:

Video Link


Located where the Beverly Center is now, Kiddieland was open between 1945 and 1974.

My family has photos of my big brother and I riding the cars at Kiddieland. Anybody else remember this place?

As to the places mentioned so far in this thread:


Places I've been to:

Beverly Park/Kiddieland - See above.
Disneyland - I went here many times. My favorite attraction was/is the Haunted Mansion. I liked architecture even as a kid!
Marineland of the Pacific - I remember going here more than once.
Japanese Deer Park - We have photos of my brother and I here feeding the deer.
Magic Mountain - I went here a number of times.
Trains at Griffith Park - I rode these trains a number of times.
Lion Country Safari - I remember this place vividly. I think I went twice.


Places I've heard of, but have never been to:

Knott's Berry Farm
Busch Gardens
Pacific Ocean Park
Alligator Farm



Places I've never heard of:

Jungleland
Calico Ghost Town
Monkey Island
Ostrich Farm
Gay's Lion Farm
Playland near Pan Pacific Park



Not to forget Grider's Birdland!

https://s26.postimg.cc/tfmh741rd/Grid_Frt.jpg
odinthor collection http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal13.html

HossC Jun 14, 2018 3:53 PM

:previous:

We've visited Grider's Birdland before - check out these posts:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24813
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24816
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24822
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=40472

odinthor Jun 14, 2018 4:59 PM

What? Having read about the cop Frank Abbott, you’re curious about the other Abbotts? Yes, I don’t blame you—they’re one of my top favorite L.A. families! Here, straight from my notes (believe it or not, I've edited some boring stuff out here, but have thoughtfully left other boring stuff in), is a nice typical odinthorian wall o' text to help Noirishers while away any spare hours. I also include a couple of mining Abbotts who I think are not part of the same family, but who add to the good--and very noirish--times; plus, as a special bonus today only, one member of the Death Valley Party. ("father William Abbott" in the following is shorthand for "parents: William Abbott and Maria Merced Garcia".):
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Abbott, Aaron ca. 1867, born; father, William Abbott; by 1891, perhaps married to one Lottie Miller, prostitute; 1891, in trouble with the law (perjury); 1895, in San Francisco, passing counterfeit bills; 1896, back in L.A. being a “morphine fiend”; 1897, disturbing the peace in Westlake Park; cf. Caron Abbott.

Abbott, Amos ca. 1868, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; 1888, getting in trouble with the law, like his brother William; ca. 1896, sent to state asylum as a dope fiend, eventually discharged as cured; 1902, Amos has lost his reason through use of dope, says his mother, and the court consequently sends him back to the asylum.

Abbott, Angelina granddaughter of Maria Merced Garcia; attempted suicide in 1895.

Abbott, Caron ca. 1864, born in California; 1870, present in L.A.; cf. Aaron Abbott.

Abbott, Charles G. a person of this name was a-burglarizing in the Newhall area in 1885 [Los Angeles Times August 22, 1885]; whether related or not to the rest of our interesting Abbotts, I do not know; cf. George Abbott.

Abbott, Frank. The cop. See earlier posting.

Abbott, George ca. 1872, born in L.A.; father, William Abbott; in trouble with the law (assisting a prisoner to escape) in 1889 and (burglary) in 1892; ca. 1892-1896, imprisoned at San Quentin; April, 1896, robbing a saloon; 1897, living with “an Indian woman” on Mission Road, and in a row with brother Frank; November 15, 1898, died in L.A.; cf. Charles G. Abbott.

Abbott, Georgie a woman, “pale, disheveled, frowsy” [Los Angeles Times, 6/25/1896], involved in a murder investigation near Naud’s Junction.

Abbott, James ca. 1835, born in Indiana; 1860, present in Azusa as an “M. Miner” with savings of $1,000.

Abbott, John May 28, 1864, published (Los Angeles Star): “The various speculations that have been floating about, the last two weeks with regard to rich mineral deposits on Lytle Creek, turn out to be a reality. Gold has been found in paying quantities, one claim owned by Abbott has produced as high as $6.25 per pan”; September 24, 1864, published (Los Angeles Star): “John Abbott, indicted for the murder of Robert Kier [sic] at Lytle Creek, was convicted of manslaughter, and sentenced to four years in the State Prison.”

Abbott, John A. or Juan Nepomuceno; alias Johnny; May 16, 1859, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1860, present in L.A.; 1870, present in L.A.; 1887, evidently the “opium-fiend” Abbott involved in the voting scandal (Los Angeles Times 4/20/1887); 1889, arraigned for rape; “notorious” by 1891.

Abbott, Kate Carmen usually known as Carmen; presumably the 1880 Census’s Katrina Abbott; ca. 1875, born; father, William Abbott; “Deaths […] Kate Carmen Abbott, sister of Mercedes Madden and Frank Abbott. Rosary tonight, 8 p.m., at Alvarez & Moore. Mass Thursday, 10 a.n., at Plaza Church. Interment, Calvary” (Los Angeles Times 3/10/1937); see also Salinas Abbott.

Abbott, Merced ca. February, 1870, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; prob. the “Mercedes” Madden mentioned under Kate Carmen Abbott above; see also Maria Merced Garcia.

Abbott, S.S. member of the Death Valley Party.

Abbott, Salinas; ca. 1868, born; father, William Abbott; 1880, present in L.A.; ca. 1886, married H.K. Johnson; 1908, brother Frank Abbott perhaps killed her son W.E. Johnson in self-defense (see below); this is doubtless the “Selina” Abbott, “the wealthy Spanish woman known as the Queen of the Plaza,” who evidently eloped to Cuba with one Eduardo Hernandez, as reported in the Los Angeles Times of February 11, 1913, in which her sister Carmen, then living at 418 N. Main St., is mentioned and pictured; “Selina had been thrice married, but always she was known around the Plaza by her maiden name. She was 45 years old and of the striking Spanish type of beauty. Her clothing was always expensive and stylish, her manner gay and free. H.K. Johnson, a wealthy American contractor of Seattle, was Selina’s first husband. They were married about twenty-five years ago and lived in a $50,000 mansion in Seattle. Her only child, a son, was by this marriage. He met with a mysterious death about five years ago. The body was found on the sidewalk near the Abbott rooming-house at No. 418 North Main street, the skull crushed. An uncle of the young man was arrested and charged with the crime, but was acquitted. At almost the same time Selina witnessed the slaying of two men and the wounding of another in the office of the hotel owned by her and her sister. It is said that the tragedy was caused by jealousy over her. All four of the principals were her suitors. The man who did the shooting and who is now in the penitentiary had been employed as clerk in the hotel. Selina’s second husband was Edward Ives, an attorney. They were married about eight years ago. He died two years later. She was separated from her last husband, a Spaniard, and the brother of one of the two men who were slain in her presence” (Los Angeles Times 2/10/1913); do see also William Abbott of 1860, below.

Abbott, William ca. 1833, born in Indiana or New York; 1853, arrived in L.A. from New Albany, Indiana; “October, 1855, he started the furniture business in a little frame house about ten feet back from the street, which has grown into the stately building next to the Pico House, and the upper story of which is the handsome Merced Theatre” (Centennial History, p. 115); August 8, 1857, published (Los Angeles Star): “Mr. Abbott, we have long known as a member of the [theatrical] profession”; July 31, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “Married.—in the Catholic Church, on the 17th inst., Mr. William Abbott to Miss [Maria] Merced Garcia”; 1860, present in L.A. as a cabinet maker with savings of $2,000 and real estate valued at $1,000; November 24, 1860, published (Los Angeles Star): as “Abbott & Co.,” on Delinquent Tax list, location/property described as “San Gabriel Cañon; improvements on mining claims, &c.”; 1860s, firm prospered; late 1860s, he built a larger building, in the upper story of which was the Merced Theater (dedicated in 1870), named after his wife, whose money paid for the building (she required that it be taller than the Pico House); 1870, present in L.A. as a furniture dealer with savings of $1,000 and real estate valued at $9,000; 1872, furniture dealer 18 Main St.; ca. 1875, still alive (daughter born); 1882, “dead several years,” and under “Real Estate Transfers,” we see: “Merced Abbott, alias Merced Garcia de Abbott, John Abbott, Salinas Abbott, Wm Abbott, Aaron Abbott, Amos Abbott, Estate of William Abbott, Merced Abbott, daughter of above Merced, Frank Abbott, George Abbott, Catarina Abbott, and City of Los Angeles, by Sheriff, to J E Hollenbeck, Merced Theater property, $2,550. Same to same, lot w side Main street, and 2 lots e side Main street, $7,535.12” (Los Angeles Times 1/27/1882), but February 28 of the same year, Hollenbeck deeded back to Merced Abbott the two lots “between Main and Sanchez streets”; children: John A., Selina, William M., Aaron, Amos, Merced, George, Frank, Catalina, Kate Carmen.

Abbott, William ca. 1860, born in California; female; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; the no-doubt-weary 1870 census taker has written “William” on two successive lines, once for the present female, once for the younger male listed below; probably this is Salinas Abbott.

Abbott, William M. ca. 1862, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; 1882, in jail on arson charges; “The notorious William Abbott, ‘mac’ and opium-eater, was on trial yesterday on a charge of vagrancy, associating with known thieves, and living in and around houses of prostitution. Abbott is a native of Los Angeles, and is about 24 years old. His father was an American, and died several years ago, leaving his family considerable property, consisting of valuable city lots and a business block next to the Pico House, in which is the hall occupied by the Salvation Army…” Los Angeles Times 9/7/1888; 1889, attempting jury-fixing.

And we can’t forget:

Garcia, Maria Merced usually called Merced; ca. 1837, born in San Diego, perhaps baptized at Mission San Luis Rey (the baptismal records for which are lost); parents: Jose Antonio Esteban Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Uribes; 1844, present in L.A.; July 17, 1858, married cabinet-maker William Abbott; 1860, present in L.A.; 1870, present in L.A.; eponym of the Merced Theater which she and her husband built; her 23-year-old niece Maria Guadalupe Leucadia Garcia was living (and dying) with her in 1882; 1888, in court, with son Amos, for tearing down Salvation Army signs (dismissed on payment of $6 costs); 1891, in court on assault charges, along with son George; there was, in 1892, a “Merced Abbott Block” on N. Main St., perhaps the former Merced Theater; 1898, disturbing the peace; 1902, still alive and declaring to the court that son Amos has lost his reason through use of dope; home in latter days at 550 Mission Road, “one of those stately old Spanish-style houses, surrounded by a great garden and many trees” [L.A. Times, 8/6/1904] ; November 21, 1908, died in L.A.; 1911, estate of $76,303.32 being probated and distributed by executor Frank Abbott; probably the Maria Garcia of the 1850 Census’s household 34 who lived next door to a cabinet-maker (Henry Gurjans) who took in apprentices (such as Merced’s husband-to-be William Abbott?).

And finally, given the spirited nature of Merced Garcia and her children, we can’t fail to note that her mother was a Uribes. “So what?” Come come, now: Merced’s uncle was the interesting Ricardo Uribes, “the most perfect specimen of a desperado I ever beheld. Ricardo could stand more shooting and stabbing than the average bull or grizzly bear” (quoth Horace Bell).

Martin Pal Jun 14, 2018 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8219180)
Wow, what a list of amusement parks you folks have come up with! Brings back a lot of memories!

I never went to, nor heard of, this Playland you mention, unihikid.
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Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names. There's a book out about the place by Jay Jennings. Maybe that has all the official names; some of them people write online may be from their memories of what they knew it as, but all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5a7mHuVM1...PARK+Cover.jpgThe Book Patch

"This book documents the history of Beverly Park, featuring 175 never-before-published photographs."

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...07&oe=5BA7E05A

David Shoop, ride operator, 1972.

Martin Pal Jun 14, 2018 8:20 PM

I saw this blog page HERE that has some screen shots of a 1965 movie titled Sylvia (not to be confused with movies with the same title made in 1977, 1985, 2003 and 2013)
that was filmed at Beverly Park. Photos from that link. It starred:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JKE8_YVHmx.../b70-6837.jpeg

Name drop: I met George Maharis a few times where I was employed.


Entering Kiddieland.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NILMJLuv1h...7.33.17+PM.png


Reverse:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ob3XHIku6m...7.33.37+PM.png


Inside the park:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Dg0Qr_xQkx...7.36.33+PM.png

There are also some locations at a bookstore in Brentwood and arriving at LAX.
The first part of the film apparently takes place in Pittsburgh.

The film seems to be available on Amazon streaming, but not on DVD or Blu-ray.
(The blog link says it was streaming on NetFlix, but it is not as of this post.)

Handsome Stranger Jun 14, 2018 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8221365)
The film seems to be available on Amazon streaming, but not on DVD or Blu-ray. (The blog link says it was streaming on NetFlix, but it is not as of this post.)

Interesting! I looked around and discovered that SYLVIA will be airing on TCM on Saturday, August 25th.

ethereal_reality Jun 15, 2018 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8220558)

Ve vill make them pay for this!

lol. clever FW. ;)

CityBoyDoug Jun 15, 2018 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8221300)
Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names. There's a book out about the place by Jay Jennings. Maybe that has all the official names; some of them people write online may be from their memories of what they knew it as, but all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5a7mHuVM1...PARK+Cover.jpgThe Book Patch

"This book documents the history of Beverly Park, featuring 175 never-before-published photographs."

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I remember that circular water ride. To me it was fascinating....the little boats, the dirty water and all.

By looking at these old photos of Kiddieland, I can see why Walt Disney was so offended by the sleazy place. Out of his revulsion of this park came his dream for squeaky clean Disneyland.

ethereal_reality Jun 15, 2018 1:45 AM

Speaking of obsolete kiddy parks...

We can't forget Hoppyland.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8stDcD.jpg
vbenicebeachhead

" In 1950 William Boyd was sold a share in this Venice amusement park for $55,000. A few new rides were added.
There was a large stables with corrals and horse riding tracks for both advanced riders and children.
On May 26, 1951 Hoppyland opened with much fanfare. On opening day he invited many movie stars
and their kids, like Richard Widmark, Susan Hayward and Pat O’Brian.

A short film exists of opening day with Hoppy and other famous people."


Must. Find. Film.

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ethereal_reality Jun 15, 2018 3:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8220571)

You and your brother are so darn cute. :)

Handsome Stranger Jun 15, 2018 3:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8221692)
Speaking of obsolete kiddy parks...

We can't forget Hoppyland.

Must. Find. Film.

https://www.westland.net/venicehisto...d-521small.jpg

I found a site with a few stills from the film, plus other rare photos, a list of rides at Hoppyland, advertisements, and tickets. I'll share just a couple of photos.

https://www.westland.net/venicehisto...-hoppytram.jpg

The sign on the front of the tram reads "Anaheim, Azusa, Cucamonga." This is a reference to a long-running gag on Jack Benny's radio show.

Here's a link: Hoppyland. Well worth reading. I can't help but think Hoppyland also influenced Mr. Disney's thinking on what a family amusement park should be.

ethereal_reality Jun 15, 2018 4:43 AM

:previous: Thanks Handsome Stranger.




At one point in time this was the mascot at the Japenese Village and Deer Park. :SHAKES HEAD IN DISMAY: :no:

OCTOBER 1972
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/jobfX0.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/h4Vpne.jpg
matterhorn1959

HenryHuntington Jun 15, 2018 6:09 AM

Can't speak to the mascot issue, but the park itself was immortalized by Hudson & Landry in their Ajax Liquor Store routine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoPXzsOcaxs

Scott Charles Jun 15, 2018 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8221300)
Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names... all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.

Very interesting, Martin! I had no idea the park had so many names!

Having said that, though... the location of Beverly Park/Kiddieland/Playland is not the same location as described by unihikid - who not only says that the park was indoors (Kiddieland was outdoors), but he also places it here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 8218919)
Playland ... was on Third right between Farmers Market and Pan Pacific Park and next to Gilmore Bank... Its now the Grove.

https://i.imgur.com/jPNNSd4.jpgGoogle Maps

unihkid, you must be mistaken on your location for Playland (which seems highly unlikely due to your multiple memories of it), or you are thinking of yet another amusement park... interesting.

CityBoyDoug Jun 15, 2018 3:31 PM

[img]assets0.roadtrippers.com/uploads/blog_post_section/attachment/image/173825/blog_post_section/attachment-image-ec3bb514-0799-43cd-9d1d-950c3dac1feb.jpg[/img]

https://assets0.roadtrippers.com/upl...0c3dac1feb.jpg

Walt Disney would bring his daughters to Beverly Park, and it was during these trips that Disney began to conceive the idea of Disneyland.

Martin Pal Jun 15, 2018 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8221883)
Unihikid says that the park [Playland} was indoors [...], but he also places it here:

"Playland ... was on Third right between Farmers Market and Pan Pacific Park and next to Gilmore Bank... Its now the Grove."


https://i.imgur.com/jPNNSd4.jpgGoogle Maps
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I overlooked the "indoor" part!

So...let's see...I found out that Gilmore Bank opened in December of 1955 and was located at 6291 W. 3rd Street. It was there until 2000.
(The original building was, the bank relocated twice after that and then was taken over by another bank.)


This is the only photo I could find anywhere of the bank:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3628/3...42113d3658.jpgFlickr


In 1948, Gilmore Drive-In opened at 6201 W. 3rd St. It lasted until Halloween night, 1977. Here's an aerial previously posted on NLA:

http://waterandpower.org/2%20Histori...ore_Aerial.jpg


The following photo from CBS is looking south toward that area. It's dated 1960.

http://waterandpower.org/8%20Histori..._City_1960.jpg

The oblong building to the right of the Drive-In I'd guess is the bank.


A 1967 Ed Ruscha aerial of Gilmore Drive-In and part of the bank.

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/w...AL00259_10.jpgTate

I don't really see a location for an indoor Playland location in these photos, that Unihikid recalls.

So, I wonder if there was some indoor amusement area in the Gilmore Drive-In building that fronted 3rd St.? I know many Drive-Ins where I grew up had a play area for the kids.
The ones I knew were outdoors, though.


Also, perhaps, in this undated photo below, that might be a postcard; it has an area behind the Drive-In (on the left in the photo) that isn't in the CBS photo. Perhaps that is something to do with Unihikid's recollection.

http://drive-ins.com/imagesdi/ca/catgilm014.jpgDrive-Ins.com


I love this photo of Gilmore Drive-In with Gilmore Field lit up in the distance. First posted by Tourmaline a couple years ago:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nkleZp3xu...52810%2529.jpg

GaylordWilshire Jun 15, 2018 8:25 PM

Since we're in the vicinity, this would a good time to post the invitation of the Windsor Square–Hancock Park Historical Society's meeting at the Gilmore Adobe. The house is rarely open to the public, but the meeting is, so you can see the old building...and hear Adrian Scoitt Fine of the LA Conservancy speak about the effort to save its architectural counterpoint nearby, CBS Television City...which we've seen on NLA recently....


https://s15.postimg.cc/be3ir3hrf/wshpinvit_Gilmore.jpg

https://s15.postimg.cc/nfywl9tkr/Gilmore_Adobe.jpg

ethereal_reality Jun 16, 2018 1:50 AM

I happened upon this wire-photo earlier today on Ebay.

In 1964 the United States and Russia held a dual track meet in Los Angeles. (I didn't know this)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/30krvl.jpg
EBAY

This may seem minor, but I haven't noticed the two flame 'urns' (for lack of a better word) that appear on both sides of the central arch.
If you look closely, they appear to be set within a concave like niche. (see below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/yq2gwt.jpg
DETAIL

Have these flame-urns (more like plates) on inverse(?) tripods been there since the 1932 Olympics and I've just haven't noticed?
And what about the concave niches? :shrug:
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Back to the U.S.A. vs U.S.S.R. Dual Track Meet.

Here's the information on the back of the photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LdK4yc.jpg
EBAY



and a look at the cover of the program.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/psSkmP.jpg
onceuponatime

You can browse through the entire program HERE (it's interesting)

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ethereal_reality Jun 16, 2018 2:27 AM

Here's another Ebay find from earlier today.

Perhaps we've seen this steroview of the Universal backlot on nla but it's so amazing I'll post it anyway. [you're welcome ;)]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/3chMTd.jpg
EBAY

Wowza!





I particularly like the Byzantine structure rising behind the more basic Norman castle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/cUfbVQ.png
DETAIL

It's also interesting to see the parked cars..and the man walking alone.





And the lighthouse; gotta love the lighthouse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/x4tZwT.png
DETAIL

but did you notice that little country church nestled at the bottom of the hill? (there's a touch of the Orient in the mix too)


If I remember correctly, an early water tower on the lot was later converted into a castle, but it doesn't appear to be included in this view.
I'm pretty sure it was closer to the entrance gate. (which is out of view)

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pjenn Jun 16, 2018 2:33 AM

Hello Everybody,

I'm looking for photographs of Broadway between 2nd and 3rd in the late 30s. Specifically, I'm trying to locate any parking lots or garages on either side of the street.

Thanks in advance for any help.

CityBoyDoug Jun 16, 2018 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8221774)
You and your brother are so darn cute. :)

My brother and I were playing a part in an ongoing drama , that day was....''an afternoon at Kiddieland''

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HossC Jun 16, 2018 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjenn (Post 8222853)
Hello Everybody,

I'm looking for photographs of Broadway between 2nd and 3rd in the late 30s. Specifically, I'm trying to locate any parking lots or garages on either side of the street.

I haven't found any good ground level pictures yet, but here's an aerial from 1941. I know it's not late-30s, so I compared it with a much blurrier image from 1933. The parking lots along Broadway are the same on both images, i.e. where the old City Hall once stood (226-240 S Broadway). The 1933 view does show an extra building or two still standing on the Spring Street side of the lot - I think it's the old Lyceum Theatre and Hall.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Around 1940, Circle Auto Parks is listed at 234 S Broadway. I only checked the "Automobile Parking" section of the CDs.

pjenn Jun 16, 2018 3:45 PM

Thanks, Hossc

That's exactly what I needed. The big lot in the middle matches the description I have of a "parking lot between 2nd and 3rd streets on Broadway" in January, 1938.

unihikid Jun 17, 2018 4:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8222395)
I overlooked the "indoor" part!

So...let's see...I found out that Gilmore Bank opened in December of 1955 and was located at 6291 W. 3rd Street. It was there until 2000.
(The original building was, the bank relocated twice after that and then was taken over by another bank.)


This is the only photo I could find anywhere of the bank:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3628/3...42113d3658.jpgFlickr


In 1948, Gilmore Drive-In opened at 6201 W. 3rd St. It lasted until Halloween night, 1977. Here's an aerial previously posted on NLA:

http://waterandpower.org/2%20Histori...ore_Aerial.jpg


The following photo from CBS is looking south toward that area. It's dated 1960.

http://waterandpower.org/8%20Histori..._City_1960.jpg

The oblong building to the right of the Drive-In I'd guess is the bank.


A 1967 Ed Ruscha aerial of Gilmore Drive-In and part of the bank.

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/w...AL00259_10.jpgTate

I don't really see a location for an indoor Playland location in these photos, that Unihikid recalls.

So, I wonder if there was some indoor amusement area in the Gilmore Drive-In building that fronted 3rd St.? I know many Drive-Ins where I grew up had a play area for the kids.
The ones I knew were outdoors, though.

The Playland i remember was in a similar style of the bank building, i know a nursery was behind it. Think chuck e cheese but on a brighter scale.

ethereal_reality Jun 17, 2018 5:09 AM

I thought you all might enjoy this slide of a young couple with the Prudential Building [built 1949] in the background. (Orbach's is there too)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SsiynX.jpg
old file / found on ebay

I believe they're posing near where the Page Museum would eventually be built.

Whaddaya think?



Here's today's view of the area.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ln3drb.jpg
google_earth

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ethereal_reality Jun 17, 2018 5:35 AM

Hmmm....what do you think went wrong here? :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/eq3oBO.jpg
orangecountyarchives/flickr

Bolsa Ave. at Brookhurst St., Westminster, circa 1962



The truck in the intersection might be the paint truck.

a closer look
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/t9uRGZ.jpg
detail

The driver is like...Oh shit!

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CaliNative Jun 17, 2018 5:38 AM

Trivia question: after the repeal of the 150 foot height limit in L.A. in the late 1950s, what was the 1st building constructed higher than 150'? My guess would be the Lee Tower (not sure if it is still called that) on the Wilshire "Miracle Mile" or perhaps the Tishman building on Fig. or Flower St. downtown. Only a guess.

Of course, before the limit, there were a few buildings besides City Hall that went higher than 150' (Federal Courthouse, old Hall of Records, County General Hospital, Richfield tower (the spire went up to almost 400'), Eastern Columbia, Texaco building etc. I guess they had to get special exemptions. Perhaps the 150' limit only applied to highest occupied floor, so a spire or crown could go higher like at Richfield? The first true skyscrapers after the repeal were the Occidental Insurance tower (452') and Sierra Tower (398') I believe. L,A. didn't get a 40 story building until the 1968 completion of the Union bank building (originally called Connecticutt General Insurance Building after the company that funded it, quickly renamed Union Bank after completion for main tenant). I remember that one going up. At the time 40 stories seemed Olympian for L.A. Does anyone have an old 1960s pic of the Occidental Building with that name on the top? It was called that until the late 1960s at least, and was later renamed the Transamerica building when Occidental was merged into Transamerica. It now has "USC" at the top. Does USC have classes in the building?

HossC Jun 17, 2018 12:20 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8223595)

Does anyone have an old 1960s pic of the Occidental Building with that name on the top? It was called that until the late 1960s at least, and was later renamed the Transamerica building when Occidental was merged into Transamerica. It now has "USC" at the top. Does USC have classes in the building?

Here's a 1964 view.

Occidental Life Building, new skyscraper under construction

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

And the completed building in 1968, complete with "Occidental Center" signage.

Aerial view over the Occidental Center in Downtown Los Angeles

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Martin Pal Jun 17, 2018 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8223588)
I thought you all might enjoy this slide of a young couple with the Prudential Building [built 1949] in the background. (Orbach's is there too)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SsiynX.jpg
old file / found on ebay
____________________________________________


And a UFO coming to abduct them...:uhh:


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Martin Pal Jun 17, 2018 7:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8223595)
Trivia question: after the repeal of the 150 foot height limit in L.A. in the late 1950s, what was the 1st building constructed higher than 150'? My guess would be the Lee Tower (not sure if it is still called that) on the Wilshire "Miracle Mile" or perhaps the Tishman building on Fig. or Flower St. downtown. Only a guess.

I've always heard/read that it was the Sunset Tower building at Sunset & Vine.

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http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050766.jpgLAPL/Calisphere

The caption for this says:

Architect's drawing of Sunset Vine Tower, located at 6290 Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood. The 1963 18-story International Style tower, designed by architect Douglas Honnold of the firm Honnold & Rex, was the first skyscraper built in Los Angeles after the city repealed its 14-story building height limit.

Under construction: April 19, 1962. NBC Radio City in background. And a nice street lamp!

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00110/00110195.jpgLAPL

A nice L.A. Times article HERE, when the building was re-opening as luxury apartments, talks about the building's troubles, beginning in 2001 when "an electrical transformer exploded, plunging it into darkness and sending employees of 40 companies with offices there running down stairwells to safety. Because the electrical meltdown knocked out the building's fire alarm system, city inspectors and fire officials for months barred workers from entering to remove files, office equipment and personal property. But with the building's tenants locked out, vandals moved in, trashing some offices and stealing files and equipment. Neighbors were soon calling the place 'the world's biggest crack house.' Authorities ordered the tower fenced off about six months after the explosion."

Workers dismantling rooftop equipment with a cutting torch accidentally set the tower on fire in 2005.

http://www.jozjozjoz.com/archives/S+...-04-18p-sm.jpg

Because the elevators were still out of service, firefighters had to carry hundred-pound loads of hose and gear up stairwells to fight the flames. Later, they had to undergo decontamination because of asbestos exposure.

Currently:

http://www.architravel.com/architrav...tects_main.jpgArchDaily

P.S.: This building was shaken apart in the 1974 film Earthquake.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tw5hXrbf1k...frame01227.jpgMatte Shot


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