Hollenbeck/Coulter's -1886
 

I always liked this one from even earlier LAP & FW when the Bryson-Bonebrake site was still a vacant lot:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2o...L=w601-h450-no
usc dl


We were such a tiny town.

Going by the lay of the land, etc, that structure appears to be off the south end of the mill. It may have had a decorative use when the mill became a residence, as well as being useful to water the garden or for use in the house. I wish I could find a diagram of the whole water-management arrangement as built. How the water was gathered to feed into the mill, the path of the flume/race to the lake and then on to the dam and the new mill which was at/near the mission. Also Wilson Creek/ditch and the lagoon up by the Saunders' house. I'm having a bit of trouble visualizing it.
oldmill.org doesn't mention the structure. I assume it's gone.



ETA

It all makes more sense on the topographic map:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qQ...V=w789-h539-no
google maps

I think those trousers fit just fine. ;)

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/1408/n47eoY.gif

Can you make out what's still on the old mill's south terrace (at left) e_r? It looks like something is there:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zP...8=w972-h604-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dk...z=w973-h546-no
google maps

I emailed the foundation. Maybe they know.

Thanks for the information FW.


I would like to take a quick look at the building next door (810 S. Flower)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/4HE3zH.jpg
LINK provided by FW / 814 S. Flower being demolished

See the garage-like entrance :previous:

This was for the Pierce Brothers & Co. Ambulance Service. (have we discussed this before?)



In this 1907 ad, a Pierce Bros. coach is shown picking up a patient, or the recently deceased, at an unnamed residence.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/1oTd14.jpg
California Medical and Surgical Reporter



A blurb in the same magazine about Pierce Bros.' new coaches

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/zpRiWM.jpg
California Medical and Surgical Reporter, 1907



from 1922.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/6l7B7Z.jpg
the western osteopath, 1922
____


I'll end with this larger image of the 'mytery' house.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9SK15n.jpg
detail

Does anyone recognize the house...GW....FW..perhaps?

The Second Life of the First Presbyterian Church
 

Here's what I had to say previously about the First Presbyterian Church on the SE corner of Second and Broadway,
at the left edge of the above photo:


The bold text in the quote above needs a caveat. Our story picks up with dismantling the church in March 1895:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...f.jpg~original

March 15, 1895, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC



http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...m.jpg~original

March 17, 1895, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


Now let's skip ahead to May 1895:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

May 28, 1895, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


So this building (here c. 1883 looking SE) . . .

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original

CHS-7385 @ USCDL


. . . became the four-story building marked FRANKLIN, just south of where Court Flight will be built on North Broadway,
as seen in this 1899 photo looking SW from the County Courthouse?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...w.jpg~original

Shorpy


Let's take a closer look. Here's the church on the 1894 Sanborn; Broadway is at the top and Second Street is
on the right. The western end of the Hollenbeck Hotel is behind the church. Please note the part of the church
marked "Sunday School":

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL


This is a close-up from the c. 1883 photo above. In the box is the window for the Sunday School, and what I
guess is a decorative vent by the checkmark. You may also wish to note the two dormer-type roof vents:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original


Here is a close-up from the 1899 photo above, with what appear to be the same parts from the church marked.
The appearance and placement of the two dormer-type vents are similar but not exact:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg~original


Below is the 1896 LACD, the first with The Franklin on North Broadway. The 1898 LACD tells us that
E. A. and M. E. Burns were Eliza A. and Mary E. and that they were the proprietors of The Franklin
along with Anne Burns (widow of P. B.), who may have been their mother:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original

fold3.com


Here's a clip from "Removing Landmarks" from the August 14, 1907, Los Angeles Times:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL


The demolition permit for 141-143 N. Broadway -- and The Franklin -- is dated October 21, 1924:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...l.jpg~original

LADBS

Great follow-up on the Pierce Bros., e_r! I touched on 810-12 S. Flower in this post, which is mostly about the
1st English Lutheran Church on the SE corner of 8th and Flower. Your mystery photo shows the south end of the
Flower Street side of that church.

What's weird is that 810-12 was built in 1902, but it's not visible in the 1907 ad/photo. . . .

Do you mean this spot t2?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/W4Ig9X.jpg

hmmm....it's too difficult to tell. (it appears to be the right distance from the house)

Those are millstones. If you use Google Street View to drag the little yellow guy over to the mill area, there are a number of photos to be viewed of the inside, as well as views of the grounds. You can literally street-view right up the driveway and into the building. The placement is not great on the photo dots so it's hard to tell what's where if you just drop the guy onto each photo individually, but you can go through them together just like a regular street view. The big fountain from the old photo is not there. But that area you circled is well represented so you can see the millstones, and even read the plaque that is next to them. Street view shows three outdoor areas and several inside rooms, even the bathroom!

Yes! Thank you for pointing that out. It has now been restored. (Though only on the original post. Quoted posts still have the original image link, which I can't edit.)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3904

Incidentally, if anyone else finds old posts of mine (or JScott's) with dead photo links, let me know and I'll fix them. I confess, my recent repair job was limited to those posts which I had bookmarked. It would simply have been too formidable a task to go through all those hundreds of individual pages to find every post I ever made here. (The most oft-referenced ones are all fixed now, though, I believe.)

-Scott

Oh, very nice! Is that the original two-storey version of the Hollenbeck Hotel?

*jaw hits the floor with a loud CLANG*

That's one of the most astonishing stories on this entire thread! :worship:

:previous: AMAZING!! I remember years back we even discussed the vent-like 'ornament' on the side of the building.

None of us realized it used to be the front of a church! You've gone above and beyond FW. :)



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/P9k0Gy.jpg

note the stair situation on the building :previous: to the left of the Franklin.

what's being accomplished besides stairs....why completely cover the lower half of the building with a blank wall like that? (storage :shrug:?)

The story of the church and the Franklin and this image reminded me of this item in the LAT of October 9, 1927... the one-story building to the north of the Franklin,
145 N. Broadway, was once the home of the City Package Delivery Company. A BP for its demolition was issued one month before that of the Franklin....
The Title building had been announced in March; it was apparently meant to be a temporary headquarters for a height-limit building to be built at the nwc of Braodway
and First. I didn't dig all that far, but it seems that bigger building was never built (?)...I see no "new" BP for the smaller Security Title Building, although the
Times seems to think it did get built. Then there is the curious BP issued on April 28, 1941, for the demo of a garage at 145...although the BP describes it as
being at the nwc of B'way & First... confusing. A demo BP fitting the description of a 2-story building at 135-145 N Broadway was issued on October 11, 1967.

Can FW or anyone fill in the gaps here?


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qr...p=w448-h647-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Le...c=w251-h615-no



LAT March 18, 1927:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WE...S=w236-h647-no

I alas can't (yet) provide information on the Security Title Company Bldg. etc.; but in scrounging around for info on it, I ran across Wikipedia’s interesting article on its owner, Lewis William Klinker:

Reduced from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_William_Klinker:

“Klinker, a native of Mahaska County, Iowa, and graduate of Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, was an ordained minister in the Christian Church. […]

“The Rev. L.W. Klinker was an active orator on the Chautauqua Circuit of lectures around the United States. In 1913 he was promoted by the Jones Chautagua [sic] System of Perry, Iowa for their Pioneer Circuit as the Silver Tongued Orator, a prominent speaker from the Pacific Coast. […]

“Upon arrival in California, Klinker joined a family business in the mining industry. In 1908 L.W. Klinker and his brother E.C. Klinker were owners of the Rawhide King Hill Mine in the now-defunct and legendary and historic ghost town of Rawhide, Nevada. […]

“[…] Klinker was the author of a novel, a fictional story centered around hydraulic gold mining, titled Winning A Fortune. […]

“Klinker became a Los Angeles businessman in real estate development. He was president of his company, Security Title Company, and owner of the Klinker Building in downtown Los Angeles at First and Broadway Streets. The Klinker Building, originally known as the Tajo Building […].

“Klinker was married to Lydia Jane (Raver) […]. They had five children, three of whom survived him: artist Orpha Klinker, screenwriter Zeno Klinker, who was senior writer for ventriloquist and entertainer Edgar Bergen on The Charlie McCarthy Show, and 1927 champion gymnast in tumbling, Elza C. Klinker. A second wife, Nellie, survived Lewis. The couple traveled around the world, during which time Klinker wrote a treatise on the Pyramid of Giza, titled God's Witness in Egypt, self-published in 1935.”

Daughter Orpha Klinker’s name will ring a bell with many. She provided many illustrations for a book many of us have read, Boyle Workman’s The City That Grew, as well as Ed Ainsworth's Enchanted Pueblo.

A most interesting fellow: Minister, lecturer, mine-owner, novelist, real estate developer, writer of “a treatise on the Pyramid of Giza,” children variously artist, writer, and gymnast.

Somehow this all seems just so Angeleno!

_______

(And many thanks to e_r for his appreciation of men's fashion.) :cool:

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....118fZuMLpL.jpg

Yes it is. I saved this short note from the July 14, 1887, Los Angeles Times: "The workmen are preparing to begin the
enlargement of the Hollenbeck Block."


That's such a great picture . . . thanks so much for restoring it to NLA!

I think it was a retaining wall, because the house was built up on the side of the hill a bit.

In t2's first photo below, pre-Franklin, left of bottom center is the same house you've pointed out.

In the second photo, taken earlier, I believe the side of that same house is just left of center. In any case,
you can see some of the hillside before it was cut away.

:previous: Thanks FW. I had forgotten about those earlier photos.


a closer look.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/T5z4Bi.jpg

It appears that particular lot was excavated 2/3rds of the way down.....so what stopped them from excavating down to street level? :shrug:



(did the excavators hit a big ol' layer of solid rock? ;)

Since this photo came from Altimeter Films, I went to that website and inquired on their contact form if they knew where this photograph was taken.

A gentlemen sent me a reply:

"It was taken in the parking lot of Schwab's drugstore on Sunset Blvd!"

I don't recall being aware that Schwab's had a parking lot, though it might have been in the back off Crescent Heights, perhaps used by Googie's as well. At any rate, I don't recall any photographs taken from behind.

I'm pretty sure we haven't seen this church on nla.

Alvarado Church of Christ

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/svZ1QO.jpg
building the social gospel



and today (do you think this was built as a church...or was it retrofitted?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/og3Olz.jpg
gsv

FW's post of 6:25 quotes t2's post of yore in which the name George Miliken is queried. If it hasn't already been noted years ago, I can at least mention that, in the 1872 directory, one S. Milligan is listed as residing close by, at the corner of 1st and Fort. For what it might be worth. :shrug:

This blurry photo I think shows a parking lot behind Schwab's.

http://davelandweb.com/chateaumarmon...40s50s2_d1.jpg
http://davelandweb.com/chateaumarmon...40s50s2_d1.jpg

:previous:

Yes, thanks, CBD, and it verifies there's red paint color back there, as well!

While trying to figure out FW's conundrum (above), I happened upon a restaurant that I've never heard of before.

It was called 'The Limit', and was located on the corner of Broadway and Franklin.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Hrzb3D.jpg
internet archive wayback machine
I wasn't able to find the restaurant listed in any of the city directories. (although, I found Anton Suk living athttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/gZrnz8.jpgin 1916.


Here's a blurb about the res. and the cover of the mag.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/SrZpFS.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/Ej2DU9.jpg

Have a good day! I'm off to visit my mom


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Who'd have known that this was a Christian church unless the sign with "Christian" on it also appeared on the building? (Is it actually in quotes?) Anyway, here are a few items on it...


LAT Dec 8, 1928

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...4=w497-h410-no


LAT March 20, 1965

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EB...6=w366-h641-no

Hmm. Is it just me, or does the right third of that photo look suspiciously like a photo studio backdrop?

:previous:

The building certainly ends abruptly, as does the sidewalk. I think you may be onto something, odinthor.

Here's the photo again to save scrolling back.

http://imageshack.com/i/pm9SK15nj

That photo appears to have been retouched, with the area to the right of the house replaced with painted-in foliage. Just a thought.

Earl

While looking for something else, I came across the photo below with the intriguing title "Bernice Day, acid bride". I think that the story is new to NLA.

From the description:

"Darby Day Jr. and Bernice Lundstrom were from Chicago. He was the son of the wealthy head of the Life Insurance Underwriter's Association and she was a 21 year-old divorcee looking for another husband. They met in 1924, married and moved to Beverly Hills, California to escape the cold Chicago winters. Her family and his mother also moved to Beverly Hills. Lundstrom grew demanding and erratic in the marriage, insisting on a separate home for herself and threatening suicide. In February, 1925, Lundstrom threw nitric acid into Day's face at his home. The acid permanently damaged his face and he lost vision in one eye. Lundstrom was later arrested and stood trial. Defense experts claimed she had the mind of a ten-year-old, but when the jury saw the gruesome photos of Day's injuries, she was convicted and sentenced to 1 to 14 years. Her appeal was denied and she was sent to San Quentin Prison in Northern California in August, 1926. Day divorced her in December, 1926. Shocking those who knew him, Day made a plea to the Gorvernor to pardon Lundstrom, but he was denied. She served 14 months and was out by the end of 1927. Day died in Santa Monica, California on February 4, 1928 during surgery to remove an abdominal abcess."

The summary for this image:

Pictured are Bernice Day and deputy sheriff Jack King. The two are outdoors, King is wearing a suit and hat, and Day is wearing a dress and holding a purse. Photograph dated August 13, 1926.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AcidBride1.jpg
LAPL

Photograph caption dated July 12, 1926 reads "'And he's going to drop that foolish suit for divorce,' said the former Beverly Hills 'acid bride' in Chicago. Neither of us wants it to go through.' Above is Mrs. Day, at left, as she appeared with her sister, Caroline Lundstrom, in Los Angeles court." The women are standing in front of a counter and a man is partially hidden behind them.

NB. Bernice's sister is named Carolyn and Carlyn in other accounts.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AcidBride2.jpg
LAPL

First photograph caption dated December 10, 1926 reads "Wealthy Darby A. Day jr., who is granted a divorce in Chicago from Bernice Lundstrom Day of Los Angeles, will seek to obtain the release of his ex-wife from San Quentin prison, where she is serving a 14-year-term for hurling acid in his face, but says they won't remarry." Day is seated with his hands folded in his lap. He has undergone reconstructive surgery, but scars from the acid can still be seen.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AcidBride3.jpg
LAPL

Here's some further reading for anyone who wants to know more. Both have a rather nasty photo of Darby Day Jr just after the attack:

derangedlacrimes.com

unknownmisandry.blogspot.com

:previous:



Great Noirish tale. I guess this 721 N Alpine Dr in Beverly Hills can't be the one in front of which the acid attack took place...I've looked for any sort of image of the original with no luck. (Two blocks over to the east, another notorious crime took place at the Menedez house, 722 N Elm.)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MS...k=w924-h584-noGSV

Bernice appears to be trimmed in monkey fur (a topic previously discussed on NLA).



1915
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HpZaSVn9o...ollectible.pnghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HpZaSVn9o...ollectible.png



1927
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_qHYj7_kEJ...ollectible.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_qHYj7_kEJ...ollectible.jpg



More Gloria Swanson clad in monkey fur
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...cef294a6e6.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...cef294a6e6.jpg



https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7z2Y7X60l...tro%2Bback.jpghttp://shewasabird.blogspot.com/2016/05/

A query from the Old Mill Foundation
 

I wandered off for a couple of days and returned to find such treasures! Thank you in particular FW for the post on Franklin lodgings and the church. Astounding. I've looked at photos of both for more time than I can count and never saw what was right in front of me. A lesson learned. Thanks also for answering odinthor (about the Hollenbeck) and e_r (about the Fort St cut).


I think e_r, as to your second query about why the lot wasn't graded to street level to begin with is, that, in the late 1870s, when the building in question was probably built, people just made use of the land in the state the city had left it after the cut. I don't think much of any grading was done by the house builders (except for that access slot, it looks like it's being held open by timbers). Grading the slope level with the street would have necessitated an expensive retaining wall, or the resulting cliff would have fallen on the house. Later development along Fort/Broadway, boxing in the subject house, left it looking very peculiar.

When the Law Building went in, it kept the lower slope, west of the retaining wall that was built, in place until the final, much more radical solution was applied.

Compare the ca late 1870s/early 1880s image below with the ca 1891 image above:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cZ...Y=w574-h480-no
usc dl (detail)

Today:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xV...5=w577-h316-no
gsv


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Anyway, like I said, I wrote to the Old Mill Foundation to ask about that spring/fountain/mystery structure on the grounds of the Kewen residence. I sent them your enlargement and the stereoscopic view:


Here's their reply:

"The image is very interesting and we're trying to identify that it really is the Old Mill in the background. Where did you find the picture?

Cathy Brown
Executive Director, The Old Mill"
oldmill@sbcglobal.net


Help.

Do you want to reply or tell me what to say? I seem to have gotten in over my head again.



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Thank you too PM for the tour instructions. Do you know what the item is on the right?:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/be...5=w602-h278-no
google maps

t2, sorry I didn't have the link up in my earlier post.

You can find the stereo-view with the mystery 'fountain' thingy HERE

The stereo-view with the Kewen family can be found HERE

both are from the california state library csl catalog

the links worked yesterday. not sure why it now says you need a library card #number

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/1oTd14.jpg

see the large photograph HERE

To be honest, I don't necessarily see a "painted in" area.



so let's review:

810 S. Flower was built in 1902. The ad appeared in a 1907 periodical.

the date (circled below)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/zmjFI3.jpg
california medical and surgical reporter

I looked through the periodical and was unable to find a date on the actual document (it's missing the cover). so I don't know where they came up with 1907)

but even if the 1907 date is incorrect, it doesn't explain the area where the Pierce Bros. building should be. (unless, of course, the periodically is pre-1902... right?)


I didn't solve a damn thing! :brickwall:
_________________




update:

whoa, I just looked at the large photograph again and noticed the entire curb is also missing on the right side.

I change my vote to "painted in".


:runaway:

Thx. Done.

Old Mill
 

looking SW.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4670/...f7934e4d_b.jpg

I thought I'd check one more time.....

I found a date on the actual document.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/97h6KI.jpg

1907 is the correct date.

:jumps into bed and pulls cover over head:

Crescent Heights Shopping Center
 

Was there a business in the Crescent Heights Shopping Center, facing the parking lot, which had signage to match the Scotty Bowers photo? I forget the dates now, when was the building remodeled? Didn't one enter the parking through a rather grand central entrance arch from Sunset?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_E...F=w724-h443-no
hollywoodphotographs

That's a lovely one. Thank you.

The Huntington DL has some good pix of the mill too (by CC Pierce and GW Hazard, among others), including this other one of the mill pond:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pP...k=w796-h456-no
hdl cc pierce

There's also another family group taken on the balcony.

I'm afraid not. I assumed it was some internal part to the mill, like the millstones. But as I don't know anything about the internal workings of grinding mills, I wouldn't actually know a mill part if it fell over and crushed my foot.

Morris Adobe, c. 1859-1903
 

That's the Morris Adobe (aka Gonzales Adobe and General Fremont's HQ) at the NW corner of Main and Carr Streets.
Gonzales might have built the place, but it was NOT Fremont's HQ, though it was widely advertised as such. At far left
in the photo above is a Seventh-Day Adventist Church, which is missing from the 1888 Sanborn Map but present on the
1894 Sanborn. Also, the two-story house behind the adobe's left/south side is not on the 1894 Sanborn, so my guess
is that photo was taken c. 1900.

Carr Street is now 14th Place, perhaps LA's only numbered place that's north of the identically numbered street. Twelfth
Street is north of Pico, which is the next street north of 14th Place; I guess when the city renamed Carr Street, no one
wanted 13th Street.


I think this undated photo (c. 1886?), with no phone line visible, was taken before the next photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...o.png~original

SCWHR-P-002.2-0400R @ Seaver Center


Maybe 1888?:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.png~original

P-010-0117 @ Seaver Center


On the 1888 Sanborn, the adobe is at lower right with the angled patio corner that matches the two photos above:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL


This one might be c. 1903, after some trees were cut:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...s.png~original

SCWHR-P-005-N0393 @ Seaver Center


The adobe is gone from the 1906 Sanborn, but we can see the apartments behind the adobe in the previous photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL


I believe the flats on the Carr Street side, described in the last sentence below, are what we see at 109-119 Carr on
the map above and in the photo immediately above the map. I have no explanation for why the building described
below to be built facing Main Street is not on the 1906 Sanborn:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original

January 15, 1903, Los Angeles Times: @ ProQuest via LAPL


The myth that the adobe at Main and Carr was General Fremont's HQ during the Mexican War was dubunked in the
obituary of Morritz Morris, who gave his name to the adobe:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original

July 11, 1903, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


(This is the only source I found that connects Gonzales to the adobe) "Photograph of exterior view of adobe
home of Esteban Gonzales, 1886. The structure was built in 1857 by Esteban Gonzales (or Rodriguez) who also
made the brick for the house. About 1871 the land was subdivided and known as the Morris Vineyard tract.":

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original

CHS-67 @ USCDL


The Morris Vineyard Tract, referenced above, can be seen on Stephenson's 1884 Los Angeles Map. Up by the
M in Morris is the corner of Pico and Charity (Grand). Pine Street will become Venice Blvd. The two streets
with dotted lines are Main (at right) and Washington (lower left). I don't know when Mr. J. Carr entered the
picture, but that's where Carr Street came from:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original

BigMapBlog


Perhaps Carr bought the property from Mr. Morris, who is last at his Main Street adobe in the 1873 LACD:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original

fold3.com


Originally, Morris' property stretched from Main to Charity/Grand and from Pico to Washington. The adobe is in the
lower right corner on this 1870 Morris Vineyard map:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original

314768 @ Huntington Digital Library


Here's the NW corner of Main and 14th Place (ex-Carr Street) in June 2017.

I'd seen photos of this adobe before, but I never knew it was the Morris Adobe, so thanks for asking about it ScottyB!

Good eye by those who noticed the doctored photo! Now that you've pointed that out, I realize that the Abbotsford Inn,
behind the 1st English Lutheran Church on the east, was built before the church and would have been seen to the right
of the church in the advertisement if it had not been replaced with trees.

I can understand, since Pierce Bros. was advertising an ambulance for the living, why it would be undesirable to have their
mortuary in the photo. It must have been cheaper to doctor the photo than take another with a more pleasing background.

A giant lug nut?



;)

To shed some light, or--more like it--some darkness on Estebans of the Gonzales, Gonzalez, and Rodriguez variety:

From my notes (L.A. stuff up to about 1870 or 1875):

Gonzales, E. February 5, 1859, published (Los Angeles Star): from the Delinquent Tax List of properties threatened with being sold at public auction: “agent—35 acres of land in cultivation on the west side of road to San Pedro, joins on the south with Shaw, and on the north, Washington street."

Gonzales, Estevan ca. 1827, born in Texas; 1860, present in L.A. as a farm laborer.

Gonzalez, Estefan ca. 1826, born in Texas; 1870, present in L.A. as a farm worker with savings of $300.

Rodriguez, Esteban 1853: father or custodian of an unnamed Rodriguez baptized at Mission San Gabriel.

Rodriguez, Jose Esteban Trinidad December 26, 1855, born; December 27, 1855, baptized at Plaza church; father, Julian Rodriguez.

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Estevan Gonzales and Estefan Gonzalez are undoubtedly the same person, and likely are also E. Gonzales.

I have no further data on Esteban Rodriguez beyond the above fatherhood or custodianship. He of course can't be the same as Jose Esteban Trinidad Rodriguez, unless the latter was very forward indeed in his development, fathering or custodying children two years before his birth.

Sigh, best I can do. :uhh:

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I think that's a good possibility t2. I hadn't thought of that.
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The style of lettering in the Scotty Bowers photo also reminded me of the shops along the Crescent Heights curve. .
I thought Scotty's group might have been parked behind one of those shops. (the shops are visible in CBD's photo....although they're a bit hard to see)

The mystery G ;)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/9sZPF3.jpg
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I checked a video to compare signs.

starting at 1:39
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/zQwWN7.jpg


at 1:44
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/QagFYn.jpg

But this vid is probably a decade removed from the Bower's photo.

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If anyone feels like it, you can watch the short video here. (it's been on nla a few times before)

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Photobucket is at it again
 

In the last few days I've noticed that random photos in many of my posts are not displaying. Sometimes they're missing one
day but back the next, while others stay gone. I've just contacted Photobucket Support about this issue, and I hope they get it
straightened out soon.

Fantastic Flyingwedge! Thank you! :worship: I dig the inner courtyard of the original floor plan.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I0...l=w825-h632-noFine Art America/Bizarre Los Angeles
Before the muffdiving began...who's waiting up those stairs?



It seems that the 700 blocks of the Beverly Hills flats hosted all sorts of interesting noirish goings-on--the acid attack at the Day house on Alpine, the Menendez mayhem on Elm...and now I've come across, courtesy of our friends at Bizarre Los Angeles, the story of an actress I can't say I remember ever hearing of... and I find no prior NLA posts. To quote BLA's caption of the picture above:

"Movie star Lilyan Tashman inside her Beverly Hills home at 718 Linden Drive. Tashman and her star husband, Edmund Lowe, threw many wild parties here...and if Hollywood legend is correct, these parties occasionally became orgies for closeted film players. Although Tashman nor Lowe ever came out as being gay, numerous stars have outed them in later years. Tashman, in particular, was said to have been quite a womanizer. She died in 1934 from cancer and, sadly, the house no longer exists."



Well, her press seems to allude only obliquely to her proclivities (and, I assume, innocently):


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pm...=w1093-h647-no
The Boston Globe March 30, 1934


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wZ...a=w518-h606-no
The Jewish Advocate April 3, 1934 (next to an article titled "Halt the Nazi Invasion!")

Thanks for looking, GW.

I didn't find anything on the Beverly Hills house(s), although I did check out the S Manhattan Place addresses in the derangedlacrimes.com link which I posted. The first is from this sentence:

Bernice regained consciousness, and because she was no longer welcome at the Beverly Hills home she stayed with her mother and sisters in their apartment at 529 South Manhattan.

There doesn't seem to be a 529 South Manhattan when I looked on GSV. I also failed to find anybody listed at that address in the CDs or any building permits.

The other address is here:

Bernice and her sister Carlyn stopped in at the Baldridge Drug Store at Sixth and Western and asked a clerk, W.J. Bowman, for a chemical that would remove warts.
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Bernice gave her name as Mrs. K. Lane, 514 Manhattan Place, which Bowman dutifully entered into the poison register.

There's a new construction building permit for that address issued on the day after Christmas Day in 1912, and very little since. There aren't even many listings in the CDs. The building facing S Manhattan place is 512, but there appears to be an older wooden building behind, although it's hard to see from the road. Of course, Mrs K Lane probably never existed, and the address may have made up on the spot.

For the record, the Baldridge Drug Co is listed at 601 S Western Avenue in the 1923 CD. While USC has images which are very close to that location and date, I couldn't find a picture of the drug store.