[QUOTE=Hollywood Graham;8703321]So where are the '12 in the open rattan chairs and the 20 in the closed compartment' in relation to each other. Looks like a fairly closed environment ('tis a single rail car after all.) Dealer puffing to describe different environments on a single car? Or am I missing something?

Excellent post with some great information on the Formosa Cafe, Martin Pal.

When I first read this, I thought you said the safe was for people who wanted to drop off SNACKS for Siegel. I was like, snacks?...what find of snacks? :duh


Happy Belated Birthday, MARTIN PAL !.....and many happy returns.


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GLASS NEGATIVE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/WRXCII.jpg
eBay

Thanks so much for the clippings and photographs of 'The Poppy', Noir Noir and Martin Turnbull. (and odinthor & FredH for converting the negative 2 positive)


I can't get over this fact about the exterior lights.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/8m1va2.jpg
excerpt

Can you imagine seeing this railcar returning at dusk with all the lights on. ... It must have looked like a dream.

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This image of a 1968 Cadillac Fleetwood is from the movie, [The Mechanic 1972].

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/uxFFuZ.jpg

I checked IMDB and the location isn't on the list of locations. (even though IMDB is where I found the screen-grab)

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McLaughlin's delivery vehicle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LXWWlC.jpg
eBay (I can't locate the pic again)

The business was located at 4716 Normandie Ave.

So what was this guy delivering? :shrug:

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Groceries and meat.


https://i.imgur.com/K6bDV16.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

Mechanic Location Maybe
 

Looks like 5th Street Skidrow area..

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The Florence Hotel at 310 E 5th Street. It's still there.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...5thStreet1.jpg
GSV

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In re: S.C. Dodge, some of his Projects, and his Building the Florence Hotel at 310 E. Fifth St. (I leave out a multitude of Dodge's lawsuits and political doings).

All clippings from LA Times, dates as indicated...

https://i.postimg.cc/mrvHMJHX/Dodge-A12-4-90.jpg
12/4/1890

310 E. 5th was the Dodge family home:

https://i.postimg.cc/26nBxGdz/Dodge-B10-14-91.jpg
10/14/1891

Here, from the 1909 Bird's Eye View of L.A., is the Dodge home, roughly at center between the College of Dentistry and The Earle:

https://i.postimg.cc/kgkQF2rv/Dodge-House.jpg
Birdseye View, 1909

https://i.postimg.cc/HnfRCpc0/Dodge-C11-8-91.jpg
11/8/1891

https://i.postimg.cc/fy0qC62V/Dodge-D7-21-92.jpg
7/21/1892

https://i.postimg.cc/rzXnPQ3Q/Dodge-F12-21-95.jpg
12/21/1895

And here is our building, replacing the family home:

https://i.postimg.cc/gk3mk5zc/Dodge-G10-15-11.jpg
10/15/1911

And so soon commenced a series of unfortunate happenings at the place (death, suicide, petty crime), of which here is the first:

https://i.postimg.cc/xCkSrpp2/Dodge-H12-5-13.jpg
12/5/1913

EDIT ADD:

While evidently still owning the Fifth St. property, S. C. Dodge (the "S" is for "Shailor") had moved to 686 S. Burlington by about 1905, where the family remained at least into the 1940s.

:previous: Nice job on the research of S.C. Dodge, odinthor.



There wasn't a location included on this negative of a Union Oil gas station.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/15rkRH.jpg


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/IWfujx.jpgeBay



If I'm not mistaken, the street lights are 'Wilshire Specials'.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/oXTB2V.jpg

Does anyone know where on Wilshire this particular gas station was located? It's quite dark on the other side of the station. Could that be MacArthur Park?

(my apologies if we've seen this image on NLA. I don't remember seeing it)

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Here's a rather enigmatic photograph, taken in 1912, of a small group of ladies gathered around, what I believe is, a rose bush.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/aRrcCC.jpg
eBay

Is that a rose bush, odinthor?

I bet the large hat on the floor of the porch is the photographer's. (see how sleuthy I am. ;))



And the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1bUFje.jpg

Hmmm...I wonder which one is Anna.

Perhaps the rose bush was a gift.


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Yes, e_r--it's definitely a rose bush; but the proportionately rather small leaves and the way it's branching are both a little unlike mainstream roses. They had a lot of interest in so-called shrub roses then--which were often varieties bred from wild rose species, so they'd have a different "look"; it's possibly one of them.

Holloween is coming soon. Noirishers need to be ready.
This haunting faux Elvira was certainly ready in the 1950s.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c188fdb2...1kyo1_1280.jpg
an old file, deep inside my computer

:cheers::happypunk:

Elvira?
 

If the photo is 1950's then she is doing an imitation of Vampira.

Let me guess what the story is behind this:

https://i.postimg.cc/NjTfmXNk/Capture.png


:cheers: :drunk:

This photo recently showed up on eBay

I don't believe we have seen the Glen Holly Dairy on NLA.

"Glen Holly Dairy and their Parade Float, Cantu Pena Photo, Los Angeles 1936"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/doU9Ow.jpg
eBay


I found it listed in the 1939 city directory. (4109 Folsom)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/tyVC77.jpg
LAPL

The first two times I looked I didn't think the old dairy building was there...

because I was relying on the addition with the horizontal windows down the street.
This one.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/wwp7zX.jpg
As far as I can tell it's gone)



But the dairy building is still there!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PLcsdt.jpg
GSV

If you look closely, you can see the old Glen Holly Dairy sign painted over in white. (red arrow above)




Here's the old dairy bldg. from a different angle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/9VVO6Z.jpg
GSV

I think it's rather interesting looking. [built 1925]


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UPDATE:

I just realized there is writing (and a photographer's stamp) on the back of the Glen Holly photo.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/e6dq2y.jpg


The 4124 address (written above) is a house a bit farther down the block and across the street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/KPe1cM.jpg


If I had gone by the 4124 address on the back of the photo I probably wouldn't have found the old dairy building.

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The daughter of a Finnish immigrant, Nurmi was raised in Oregon and relocated to Los Angeles in 1940 with hopes of being an actress. After several minor film roles, she found success in the Vampira character, television's first horror host. Nurmi hosted her own series, The Vampira Show, from 1954–55 on KABC-TV...Los Angeles.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ma5_QtSKmI...Bnurmi%2B2.jpg
my old file

Is Tom Bergin's Old Horseshoe Tavern (840 S. Fairfax) new to NLA?

https://i.postimg.cc/RZwrbcJs/Bergin1-29-67.jpg
LA Times 1/29/1967, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

https://i.postimg.cc/9XkvmxGg/Bergin12-22-61.jpg
LA Times 12/22/1961, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

https://i.postimg.cc/VNGcjzCm/Bergin-PC001.jpg
odinthor collection

https://i.postimg.cc/htMFBKMT/Bergin-GSV.jpg
gsv

Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this...

1926 Sculpture Returns to L.A. Central Library After Turning Up in Arizona 50 Years After Mysteriously Disappearing

https://i.imgur.com/RvvK60K.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gncL4Sh.jpg

https://ktla.com/2019/10/05/long-los...0-years-later/

https://altaonline.com/whatever-happ...ary-cold-case/

Currently on eBay

"Gypsy Trail Motel ROUTE 66~3445 E Colorado St PASADENA~Vintage Los Angeles 1940s"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/RXf1mC.jpg
eBay

The Gypsy Trail Motel has been seen twice before on NLA...BUT

The first post is BLURRED because of photobucket's #%&! new policy. :hell: .... (As far as I can tell, it was a different image than the postcard above)

And in the second instance, the LINK is broken. :brickwall:

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If I have the correct location, the area now seems to be a closed up Orchard Supply Hardware.

https://i.postimg.cc/Jndk6RKR/motel.png
Google Street View


The big question is...can those possibly be the same palm trees over 70 years later?



Found another photo from the Huntington Library

https://i.postimg.cc/44F9gvtw/gypsy.png
Huntington Library

They say it was taken sometime between the 1920's and 1940's

I think it is earlier than your postcard E.R. The sign is smaller. (And the trees are shorter)

And now that I look again, the office building is much smaller too

Hi, Odinthor, the following are the only two posts that I know of mentioning this place on NLA. Mine was posted last March and I quoted one from E_R.

(By the way, E_R, I appreciated your birthday wishes!)



I recently mentioned, in regards to the Formosa Cafe, the 1933 Group that has brought back some historic L.A. establishments. I know that the L.A. Conservancy has been advocating to that group to take an interest in this location. The group said they wouldn't rule it out, but they've zeroed in on a couple other projects they'll be working on in the near future.

I forgot to ask, have we seen this before? If we have, sorry for the repeat.

Vampira
 

I used to sneak behind a couch and watch her as I was supposed to be in bed. I wish there were videos saved but none were, if there are any they are in private collections.

There are clips of her to be found of her on Youtube, including her orgasmic scream, which we were supposed to be too young to recognize.

The screaming one I believe is a promo. There was another program on about the same time it was called Voluptuia, she was Vampira's alter ego and played love stories if I remember right. I watched one time only..

A version of the Vampira character, this time played by actress Lisa Marie, appeared in the 1994 Tim Burton film Ed Wood.

Here is an extremely rare image. . . but if I'm not mistaken, the dates in the seller's description are all wrong.

Seller's description:

1938's ROBIN HOOD MOVIE SET REPURPOSED FOR THE THIEF OF BAGDAD c1940 STILL PHOTO."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/tMlheg.jpg
eBay

There was a 1938 production of Robin Hood (the famous one with Errol Flynn), as well as, a 1940 production of The Thief of Baghdad (begun in Britian / finished in CA).

But I think the photograph is of the Nottingham Castle set from the 1922 silent production of Robin Hood (starring Douglas Fairbanks)
reconstructed for the 1924 production of The Thief of Baghdad (also starring Douglas Fairbanks). -a silent production as well.



Here's a closer look at the extravagant design and workmanship.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/YjFi7J.jpg
DETAIL

So what do you think, minions...are my dates correct?...or are the seller's dates correct? :shrug:




P.S. The design looks more Chinese than Persian. (I love that hanging lantern)

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The whole 1922 version of 'Robin Hood' is on YouTube:

• Video Link

Scanning through, I think this scene of Nottingham Town is a match for e_r's postcard (ignoring the obvious changes for 'The Thief of Baghdad').

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...RobinHood1.jpg
Douglas Fairbanks Pictures/United Artists

As an aside, Lake Sherwood, just north of Los Angeles in Ventura County, got its name after being used as the filming location for Sherwood Forest in this movie. A lot of the episodes in the middle seasons of 'The Dukes of Hazzard' were filmed on the roads around Lake Sherwood and on the land that became The Sherwood Country Club.

Given the alarming impermanence of photos posted here, I don't think repeating images on occasion is necessarily a bad thing. And Vampira is appropriate for the season.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jrwdb8g/vampira56.jpg

(Hollywood Cemetery, perhaps?)

The Thief of Bagdad (1924)

Arriving at the Isle of Wak (wherever that is)

https://i.postimg.cc/52Gfy5L3/thief2.png
Douglas Fairbanks Pictures, United Artists


Put a gold star on your chart E.R. You nailed this one.

NBC’s Radio City Studios, Sunset and Vine, Hollywood, circa late 1950s
 

I don't recall seeing a shot of the NBC Radio City Studios at Sunset and Vine, Hollywood, circa late 1950s in such VIBRANT color!

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...late-1950s.jpg

Was ot possible yo have a waist that tiny? Maybe an all-blood diet helped.

Hollywood National Bank
 

Here is one captioned "Early view of a Hollywood street" from the Security Pacific National Bank Collection at LAPL:

https://i.imgur.com/bfTbJK4.jpg
lapl.org

The fun mixture of horse and horseless carriages makes one think of 1910 or so. Looking in the CDs, I found an address of 6400 Hollywood Boulevard for the Hollywood National Bank (which ultimately became part of the Security National Bank, probably accounting for why this photo was taken).

The Sanborn maps locate this bank at the SW corner of Hollywood and Cahuenga:

https://i.imgur.com/JnpNRGL.jpg
lapl.org

The vacant lots south of the bank match the empty spaces on the map.

Here is the modern view:

https://i.imgur.com/wECUq2L.jpg
GSV

...which shows a four story Art Deco structure which seems to have replaced the bank. However, looking at the building permits, I found this 1931 remodeling permit adding two stories and elevators to the existing two story building at the corner.

https://i.imgur.com/6dkH9VN.jpg
LADBS

Looking closer, the massing of the windows on the Cahuenga side 2 - 1 - 2 seem to match the current configuration. Is it the same building?

Plus a very tight corset.

The Palamino
 

I grew up in the San Fernando Valley, near the Palamino Club. Watching Ken Burn's recent documentary on Country Music, I really missed the boat. The Palamino Club attracted all the big country singers, and was probably the number one venue in SoCal. Never visited the place. Also, when I was young I never visited the Sunset Strip clubs where big groups like the Doors etc. performed. Just missed the boat I guess. I guess living close to these places you feel you will visit "one day". That day never arrives. Carpe diem.

As CaliNative noted, it's a corset.

https://i.imgur.com/11oRaB2.jpg

Here's a modern-day corset wearer:
https://i.imgur.com/XUpxNNg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vIYdoAe.jpg

As you might imagine, doing something this extreme is not healthy.

An interesting article on the idea that women fainting during Victorian times was actually due to them wearing such tight corsets: Corsets and the Victorian Fainting Culture

Interesting scene in "Gone With the Wind" with Scarlett being bound into a tight corset, complaining all the while. Fit women with natural slim waists contrasting with bigger behinds ("curves") are appealing, but corsets carry the trend too far. Natural curves good, un-natural bad in my opinion. Natural is best. Same thing with makeup...use sparingly ladies. Too much on the face and you start to look like the Joker. Check out old pics of 1940s movie star like Joan Crawford. Way too much makeup.

They've still got corsets today, except now they call 'em Spanx! :haha:

https://www.hourglassangel.com/blog/...does-spanx-do/

So, kid, you've heard about the Winter Garden, and want to know something, eh?

https://i.postimg.cc/2ScH57vz/Winter-Garden001.jpg
odinthor collection

In 1921-1922, the owners evidently had offices at 111 W. 3rd; but the venue itself was at 518- (in due course) 522 S. Spring (including an associated cigar store and barber's). Here's that stretch of Spring:

https://i.postimg.cc/J05xCNMC/SpSE5.jpg
odinthor collection

A beginning (1920):

https://i.postimg.cc/CLJ7vscj/Winter-A12-3-20.jpg
This, and the following, all from LA Times, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library, date as indicated; this one, 12/3/1920


https://i.postimg.cc/9FXtqqcz/Winter-B11-16-21.jpg
11/16/1921


https://i.postimg.cc/Pr6bbrqy/Winter-C7-25-22.jpg
7/25/1922


https://i.postimg.cc/CK8jVGsr/Winter-D8-12-22.jpg
8/12/1922


Thanking e_r for his assistance!

To be continued . . .

Continuing with the Winter Garden . . .


https://i.postimg.cc/0yMSpYF5/Winter-E7-19-23.jpg
7/19/1923


https://i.postimg.cc/YCW44pLh/Winter-F8-21-23.jpg
8/21/1923


https://i.postimg.cc/hvYjjwSL/Winter-G9-18-23.jpg
9/18/1923


https://i.postimg.cc/25Y5VnfK/Winter-H9-19-23.jpg
9/19/1923


To be continued . . .

And to end . . .


https://i.postimg.cc/pdkPr7Cm/Winter-I1-21-23.jpg
11/21/1923


https://i.postimg.cc/4dSZb9rZ/Winter-J5-29-24.jpg
5/29/1924


https://i.postimg.cc/T15xkP6b/Winter-K5-30-24.jpg
5/29/1924


An end . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/kgmVt0Qs/Winter-L6-1-24.jpg
6/1/1924


:cheers:

:previous: Fantastic research odinthor!




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odinthor, here is a photograph of the Winter Garden location when it was still McKee's Cafe. [c.1915]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/OOMfFe.jpg
usc digital archive

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY ODINTHOR
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/4cyL1T.jpg


Besides the cigar store and barber (as mentioned by odinthor)
it looks like McKee also had a taxicab service!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/o2trPT.jpg

See the complete photograph HERE

I don't remember watching her TV show. My father strongly resisted buying a TV until about 1957 or so. He thought that TV was a bad influence and he only bought one so he could watch the Ed Sullivan show on Sunday.

Yes, there's about 19 links to Vampira on You Tube. There were also several other local LA spook TV shows that always featured old movies of the Frankenstein, Dracula genre. :cheers:

https://the-vampira-show.tumblr.com/

My favorite old TV show was an afternoon one that played British films from the 1930s & 1940s. These films were very sophisticated and were loaded with atmosphere. Its no wonder that Hollywood studios of the Golden Age were filled with British technicians. My neighbor's father was an actor from England. He thought of himself as a new Cary Grant. He didn't even come close.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b7ef8e7c...9i1ao1_500.jpg
LAPD

Once more...

RARE POSTCARD / Nottingham 'Castle' Robin Hood [1922] ... The Thief of Baghdad [1924]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/tMlheg.jpg


:previous: Thanks for your help, HossC and FredH!...I really appreciate it.

I've gone back and looked at numerous aerials that were taken above the Pickford-Fairbanks Studios around the time of Robin Hood [1922].
So far I haven't been about to pick out the Nottingham Town set.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/sj1ZSO.jpg
periodpaper

The castle is easy to find. ...Nottingham Town, not so much. :shrug:



Here's another.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/FNjk0p.jpg
medium

Extra Info:

"ROBIN HOOD was one of the most expensive films of the silent era, apparently costing something in the area of $930,000 dollars. In 1922! That’s almost $14 million in today’s dollars.
Nevertheless, the movie made around $2.5 million in North America, solidifying the Fairbanks swashbuckling success."



Update:

I just found this view at an auction house.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/BaLmRR.png
rmyauctions

REVERSE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6GeLkF.jpg
rmyauctions

I wonder if the Nottingham Town set was built off site (for lack of room.

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We have visited Rodger Young Village on NLA..

But I'm drawing a blank on this Rodger Young Auditorium.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/pSw6TJ.jpg
eBay (no longer listed)

Have we seen, or discussed, this auditorium?

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mystery DTLA building
 

This Huntington Library photograph is mislabeled as "Baltimore Hotel" on E. 5th Street. Anyone recognize this?

https://i.imgur.com/tNQsCYY.jpg
hdl.huntington.org

Wulp... I think I see the Nottingham set in the upper third of this aerial view. Anyone else want to weigh in? I could be wrong.

(Here's a slightly sneaky link to the same photo, sans watermark.)

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It's difficult to be sure due to the low resolution and different angle, but the building I've linked to the inset view appears to be a match.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...RobinHood2.jpg
Douglas Fairbanks Pictures/United Artists/Hollywood Photographs