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ethereal_reality Jan 17, 2018 4:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumbo0 (Post 8049147)
I have some more before / after aerial photos, but resized a bit to fit better in this forum. Also, I have on my website some juxtapose's which is a nice script to slide over the photo to compare then with now. Since I can't post such codes here I give the link to my page where you can see them. Updates on the way! :)

Excellent job jumbo0! Thanks for posting your aerial comparisons on nla.

Krell58 Jan 17, 2018 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8048384)
Thanks for the information Krell58. I had no idea.

(and you're right, I didn't see the upper branches of that whitewashed tree)

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It used to cause a lot of grumbling in neighborhoods, one guy would paint his trees, wives would see it and how nice it looked, then tell their husbands to paint their trees. Mad husbands up and down the block. It took awhile to paint especially if rough tree bark was involved.

Lojack Jan 17, 2018 8:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 8048435)
Bob's Air Mail Service . . . once more, with gusto?

1935 - Bob Spencer's Mobile Gas Station, Cochran and Wilshire (Seems a shame that those quaint/understated street lamps have disappeared from the street. :( Could that be "Bob" fiddling with the aircraft's nose?) )
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f25022493c.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f25022493c.jpg

I was looking up street light info this weekend and found the lamps were called Wilshire Specials, and were only used along Wilshire Blvd.

The waterandpowermuseum site has a few more pictures of them on the start of the following page-http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ts_Page_2.html

I then was curious and street viewed a bit of Wilshire, but the only section that I could find that still has them is the short stretch of Wilshire that runs through MacArthur Park.

https://goo.gl/maps/txwejEbDtW52
GSV

jumbo0 Jan 17, 2018 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 8049292)
Yowza, Jumbo! Your '44 image gives us a really superior aerial shot of...wait for it...Monkey Island! Thanks so much. Post the image. I'd never presume to short stop you. (I would really appreciate your permission to load a copy into my Flickr photo-stream, though.)

Boy those are both really nice images.

Well, happy I could be of any help :cheers:
The forum doesn't resize images automatically I assume? Otherwise the forum will explode with such big image! :P

Of course you can use them on your Flickr! Note that all those aerials com from here so don't forget to credit them! :)

Tourmaline Jan 17, 2018 12:31 PM

:yes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lojack (Post 8049564)
I was looking up street light info this weekend and found the lamps were called Wilshire Specials, and were only used along Wilshire Blvd.

The waterandpowermuseum site has a few more pictures of them on the start of the following page-http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ts_Page_2.html

I then was curious and street viewed a bit of Wilshire, but the only section that I could find that still has them is the short stretch of Wilshire that runs through MacArthur Park.

https://goo.gl/maps/txwejEbDtW52
GSV


Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4564211)
:previous:

Yeah, all that sweet green icing flowing down. ;)

Apparently when Wilshire Blvd. was extended into downtown, a lot of buildings had to be demolished. The part of Wilshire east of MacArthur Park was always considered the less distinctive part, being that Wilshire was meant to be a grand boulevard but it originally only went west from MacArthur Park. Interestingly, it was intended NEVER to have a streetcar line going down it, it was meant to be a boulevard for autos. In the 1920s and 1930s, special double-decker open-top buses ran down Wilshire as public transportation, which is why some department stores were designed with 2nd-floor display windows like this one:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042959.jpg
lapl.org

It's kind of hard to see but this pic shows one of the special double-decker buses that used to run down Wilshire:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068433.jpg
lapl.org

Here's another shot of Wilshire and a double-decker bus, courtesy of the USC digital archive. Picture is from 1938:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2...ledeckbusi.jpg

Wilshire and Bronson, 1931, from the USC digital archive:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/365...ronson1931.jpg

Those "Wilshire Special" street lamps date from the late 1920s, I think, and originally went west from MacArthur Park to Fairfax. They stopped at Fairfax because originally, west of Fairfax was unincorporated County territory, so the City of LA had no jurisdiction there; I'm not sure when that parcel was annexed into the City. Those Wilshire Specials only exist now through Mac Arthur Park and a few miles east of there, and many of them are in bad shape, some really rusted. I assume they're made of cast iron like many old lamposts back then. It's hard to see but the corners of the lanterns are adorned with nude females.





Disappearance of "Wilshire Specials" has long been lamented here, in addition to other uniquely styled lighting that once adorned LA streets. I suppose I should have been more specific as I was focusing on the simple street lighting on the side street. https://www.google.com/maps/place/S+....3471728?hl=en

jumbo0 Jan 17, 2018 4:13 PM

Since I had some spare time today I made some more then/now aerials. The last ones for now, no more spamming the next few days :haha:
The Juxtapose versions are here

http://www.weerfotos.be/LA/Blends/19...ills_blend.jpg
1936: Baldwin Hills

http://www.weerfotos.be/LA/Blends/19...Town_blend.jpg
1941: West side of Korea Town

http://www.weerfotos.be/LA/Blends/19...thLA_blend.jpg
1927: South Los Angeles

http://www.weerfotos.be/LA/Blends/1935_Venice_blend.jpg
1935: Venice


Greetings from cold Belgium! :)

tovangar2 Jan 17, 2018 9:19 PM

:previous: Thank you!!


Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4564211)
It's hard to see but the corners of the lanterns are adorned with nude females.

I'm sure I've seen a much clearer close-up of a "Wilshire Special" somewhere on the thread, but cannot find it.

This image is from the north side the 1300 block of Wilshire, between Valencia and Witmer (there are a total of 8 "Wilshire Specials" on the block). Little caryatids grace the four corners of the lantern:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xk...6=w323-h665-no
gsv

The ever popular "Urban Light", at LACMA on Wilshire, inexplicably does not include "Wilshire Specials".

There doesn't appear to be a "Wilshire Special" at the City of Los Angeles Street Light Museum either.


ETA:

Here's one of the set of four "Wilshire Specials" outside 900 Wilshire Blvd. The shot indicates the scale and allows at peek inside:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ir...h=w483-h535-no
bloximages (detail)

900 Wilshire and its beautifully-maintained "Specials":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ym...O=w890-h474-no
gsv 2017

The 4 went missing during demo and construction, but were returned:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ys...A=w841-h450-no
gsv 2012

There's a pair on the east side of the block too and more crossing the Harbor.

GaylordWilshire Jan 17, 2018 10:16 PM

:previous:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AG...q=w235-h647-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uk...G=w431-h647-no

ethereal_reality Jan 18, 2018 2:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 8046549)
The tree trunk is painted with white clay or slow lime. The tree extends above the painted area if you look closely.
Trees could be painted with the clay or lime for decoration or to protect the bark from sun scald or cracks.

Is it the same criteria for poles? ;)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pQMXbL.jpg
Sherman Way 1920, Owensmouth

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tovangar2 Jan 18, 2018 3:04 AM

White-painted trunks and poles
 
:previous:


There's various answers at this page...and this one...and this one

ethereal_reality Jan 18, 2018 3:14 AM

intriguing - eclectic building
 
Ad found in the El Rodeo, 1909 (USC yearbook)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/rhBzqX.jpg
usc digital archive

Segnogram Press must have just moved to this location.

The 1909 city directory still has the press at 110 E. 4th St

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/5U7UW1.jpglapl

The 1719 Kane address shows up in the 1913 directory.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/dwB2WU.jpglapl

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ethereal_reality Jan 18, 2018 4:32 AM

Jean Porter died this past weekend (Saturday, Jan 14)

Here's Jean with her husband Edward Dmytryk.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/jxbMC4.jpg
getty



You might remember Jean from the very early days of the thread (page 257) -in one of my favorite photographs on nla.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5466741)

Jean Porter as Darlene in 'Cry Danger' [1951]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i...s800/CD-04.jpg
[source: TCM]

see fab fifties' entire post HERE (includes a 2nd photo of the Clover Trailer Park)

Jean Porter's obituary in the Hollywood Reporter

R.I.P. lovely Jean

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sadykadie2 Jan 18, 2018 5:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8045596)
:previous: This is great GW!

thank you, thank you, thank you.

(I'm still looking for a photograph of the Washington Building & Loan, but I havn't had any luck yet)

This rocks! I'm not worthy!:worship:

Lojack Jan 18, 2018 6:35 AM

The above aerial photo of the Coliseum reminded me about a question I have for a photo that was posted here many pages ago.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17071

This photo is the only one I've seen that has an area of development to the east of the Coliseum on the Agricultural Park/Exposition Park grounds. Earlier photos of the construction show that as flat land, and later as in the aerial a few posts above, it was styled with the current loop with greenery. If the dates are accurate, that means this was only up for a few years, between 1922-1927. Any ideas on what it may have been? Looks substantial for a short term building cluster.

Krell58 Jan 18, 2018 7:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8050707)
Krell58, here's an example of poles painted purely for aesthetics, right?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pQMXbL.jpg
Sherman Way 1920, Owensmouth

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Yes, I, believe so.

Flyingwedge Jan 18, 2018 7:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8050744)
Ad found in the El Rodeo, 1909 (USC yearbook)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/rhBzqX.jpg
usc digital archive

Segnogram Press must have just moved to this location.

The 1909 city directory still has the press at 110 E. 4th St

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/5U7UW1.jpglapl

The 1719 Kane address shows up in the 1913 directory.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/dwB2WU.jpglapl

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Segnogram? As in A. Victor Segno? Cool old building, too!


Here's the layout of the Segnogram Press on the 1906 Sanborn (Kane is now Clinton and
Lakeshore is now Glendale Blvd). Your USC yearbook photo, e_r, shows the building on
the west (north is on the right):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...q.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL


Here's an undated but early photo of Mr. Segno's corner building:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original

Echo Park Historical Society


Way back in March 2016 you posted a photo of the corner building, and Beaudry ID'd it, as well as
adding other photos and info very much worth examining.


This is that corner building in 1977 (Kent is the next street north of Clinton):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...y.jpg~original

00075492 @ LAPL


The Segnogram Press seems to have moved around a bit. By 1913/14 they were at 920-22 Santee:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...r.jpg~original

The Inland Printer, Vol 53, Apr-Sep 1914 @ Hathitrust


We see just a slice of 920-22 Santee (1913-1987) at the right edge of this c. 1925 photo of
Engine Co. No. 9 at 916 Santee (1899-1962):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.gif~original

lafire.com

ethereal_reality Jan 18, 2018 8:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8050926)
Segnogram? As in A. Victor Segno? Cool old building, too!

Yes. I was shocked!

After I finished my post I started finding all these weird connections to Segno.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/OxVnay.jpg
chasing down emma

"A. Victor Segno does indeed appears "from nowhere" in Los Angeles in April of 1899, conducting lectures
on his species of "scientific palmistry" and hypnotism, as of the Segno School of Palmistry, at 445 1/2 S. Spring Street,
where he also does readings. He is referred to, at the time, as Prof. Albert Segno, more often than not." ehbritton



Segno appeared, with his stereopiton slides, at the Masonic Hall 431 S. Hill.

1899?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/RV9hWc.jpg
chasing down emma



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/KCBuUF.jpghttps://imageshack.com/a/img924/1636/wKgpMg.gif



..but this was Segno's cash cow.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/rVdPu4.jpg
ehbritton

..with money flowing in from the Segno Success Club, Segno funded his elaborate home and Institute of Mentalism
office on the 700 block of Belmont Avenue. -as FW showed us in the previous post.

3rd paragraph down
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/G5vXZ2.jpg
ehbritton



Alas, Segno's Success Club ended up here...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dty2FX.jpg

extra special thanks to ehbritton

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ethereal_reality Jan 18, 2018 8:35 AM

Here's another character connected to the Segnogram Press.

William Walker Atkinson

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/S9QWNR.jpg
ehbritton

Mr. Atkinson was one of the directors in the 1905 creation of the Segnogram Publishing Company

(I believe the middle initial N is a misprint :shrug:)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/Dzs4bh.jpg

..which published Segno's first periodical, The Segnogram.

top billing for W.W.A.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/O3G5uA.jpg
ehbritton


Mr. Atkinson's was also editor of 'The Mystic' magazine.

(note the Segnogram address 715 Kane St address)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/UwBTdW.jpg
international assoc. of spiritual & occult periodicals




We've come full circle. :)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/rhBzqX.jpg
usc

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Tourmaline Jan 18, 2018 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lojack (Post 8050896)
The above aerial photo of the Coliseum reminded me about a question I have for a photo that was posted here many pages ago.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17071

This photo is the only one I've seen that has an area of development to the east of the Coliseum on the Agricultural Park/Exposition Park grounds. Earlier photos of the construction show that as flat land, and later as in the aerial a few posts above, it was styled with the current loop with greenery. If the dates are accurate, that means this was only up for a few years, between 1922-1927. Any ideas on what it may have been? Looks substantial for a short term building cluster.


And . . . a stone's throw away at Exposition Park is the Nat'l History Museum (sans rose garden), circa 1915.


http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...d0eb35460c.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...d0eb35460c.jpg




http://www.nhm.org/site/sites/defaul...g_slide_06.jpghttp://www.nhm.org/site/sites/defaul...g_slide_06.jpg

Tourmaline Jan 18, 2018 1:38 PM




This image was probably taken before or near the same time as the :previous: Note "Grand Opening" banner. (Was there a separate organically grown section? Raw milk ;) )

Wilshirmart circa, 1935
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...bddb7ce34b.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...bddb7ce34b.jpg

Tourmaline Jan 18, 2018 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7450111)
Santa Monica Pier's Looff Hippodrome Turns 100 This Year
A big celebration is planned for the venerable carousel house.
It opened on June 12, 1916.


https://silentlocations.files.wordpr...rousel-pan.jpg

From the linked article: Celebrations will include 5 cent rides on the historic carousel, tours of the second-floor apartments
that once offered residents some of the most unique views in all of Los Angeles and "potato chip sundaes," a tribute to what
would have been one of the most popular snacks served at the pier at the time of its opening.

The celebration will begin at 11 a.m., when (as the press release promises) "the doors will be swung open with the same
vigor as when Charles Looff first did the honors back in 1916." Take that, ferris wheel.

Note: The Ferris Wheel comment refers to the fact it will be down for a month for a lighting upgrade.

Two articles:

http://la.curbed.com/santa-monica-pier

https://www.kcet.org/carousel-and-the-era-of-seaside-amusement


1930's view: LAPL

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-EI...ooff%20old.jpg



Santa Monica Pier, 1935
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...2eddd70bd7.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...2eddd70bd7.jpg




And . . . up the road a piece was Thelma Todd's place. (JOYAS?)



1935
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f83a9e1fa9.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f83a9e1fa9.jpg



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aMXCHJSHqx...s1600/Todd.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aMXCHJSHqx...s1600/Todd.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6753205)
While working on the above post I came across a photograph that I hadn't seen before. It shows a lovely Thelma Todd standing in the doorway
of her ill-fated restaurant.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/743/bLRQ9Q.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/dIhuv2.jpg
ebay



One last look at the 'death' garage when it was under construction in 1927. (that's Roland West's mansion above it)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/5TpiZK.jpg
old file/ucla if i remember correctly
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Tourmaline Jan 18, 2018 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4993115)
One of the most extraordinary sets ever built in Hollywood.
D.W. Griffith's vision of Babylon for his epic Intolerance 1916.


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5...leranceset.jpg
D.W. Griffith





Below: The crumbling Babylon set from D.W. Griffith's Intolerance at Hollywood Blvd. and Sunset Blvd in 1918.
More specifically, this photo is the southwest corner of Prospect Ave. & Talmadge St.


http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5...stcornerof.jpg
unknown

Above: The set stood derelict for nearly four years until it was finally destroyed by order of the Los Angeles Fire Department in 1919.





Below: 94 years later, this photo shows that two of the houses still survive at the southwest corner of Prospect Ave. & Talmadge St.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8...stcorner2a.jpg
Craigzone



Intolerance set, circa 1916
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...7b388e91fb.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...7b388e91fb.jpg

oldstuff Jan 18, 2018 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 8050910)
Yes, I, believe so.

Maybe they were more reflective at night and it was a safety issue

oldstuff Jan 18, 2018 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8050942)
Yes. I was shocked!

After I finished my post I started finding all these weird connections to Segno.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/OxVnay.jpg
chasing down emma

"A. Victor Segno does indeed appears "from nowhere" in Los Angeles in April of 1899, conducting lectures
on his species of "scientific palmistry" and hypnotism, as of the Segno School of Palmistry, at 445 1/2 S. Spring Street,
where he also does readings. He is referred to, at the time, as Prof. Albert Segno, more often than not." ehbritton



Segno appeared, with his stereopiton slides, at the Masonic Hall 431 S. Hill.

1899?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/RV9hWc.jpg
chasing down emma



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/KCBuUF.jpghttps://imageshack.com/a/img924/1636/wKgpMg.gif



..but this was Segno's cash cow.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/rVdPu4.jpg
ehbritton

..with money flowing in from the Segno Success Club, Segno funded his elaborate home and Institute of Mentalism
office on the 700 block of Belmont Avenue. -as FW showed us in the previous post.

3rd paragraph down
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/G5vXZ2.jpg
ehbritton



Alas, Segno's Success Club ended up here...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dty2FX.jpg

extra special thanks to ehbritton

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Victor Segno and his wife A. Belle appear in the 1910 Census, living at 701 Belmont. This property is currently part of several lots that were turned into condos along the western ridge overlooking Echo Park Lake. It is just next to the staircase that goes up from Glendale Blvd to the top of the bluff. The 1910 census lists his occupation as an author of "scientific works". His wife was listed as a "private Secretary" He was first married to an Evelyn In Canada and they divorced around 1990. He then apparently moved here from Canada, and he took up with wife number 2, A. Belle, (her name was Annie Dell) . He was Canadian and Belle was listed as being from Maine. according to the only census where he can be located. He was born in Canada in 1871. They were apparently divorced by 1920 as she appears in the census for that year, listed as divorced, and going by her first name Annie. She is listed as the manager of a mail order house. He cannot be located after that, but probably just changed his name again and moved on.

jg6544 Jan 18, 2018 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 8051083)

They burned the derelict set to make the "burning of Atlanta" scenes in "Gone with the Wind".

Andys Jan 18, 2018 7:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg6544 (Post 8051682)
They burned the derelict set to make the "burning of Atlanta" scenes in "Gone with the Wind".

I was just reading about the making of the film, "King Kong" (1933) when I saw this post. Don't claim to be an expert, but I read the following: The set burned in "Gone With the Wind" was the island great wall in "King Kong" (1933), which was modified from the original set of "King of Kings" (1927). Apparently, some other well known sets were set ablaze as well. Perhaps one of those could have been the "Intolerance" (1916) set?

" The great wall in the island scenes was a hand-me-down from DeMille's The King of Kings (1927) and dressed up with massive gates, a gong, and primitive carvings." Scource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kong_(1933_film)
Andys

GaylordWilshire Jan 18, 2018 7:29 PM

:previous:


While there are various movie sets cited as those burned for GWTW, I'm pretty sure that the one for Intolerance was destroyed way before 1938-9...and was miles from MGM.

Martin Pal Jan 18, 2018 7:44 PM

:previous:

That post says: "The [Intolerance] set stood derelict for nearly four years until it was finally destroyed in 1919 by order of the Los Angeles Fire Department."

GWTW was first published in 1936, I believe.

tovangar2 Jan 18, 2018 7:45 PM

Gone With The Wind - Burning of Atlanta set
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ha...=w1169-h584-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xy...E=w794-h477-no
retroweb

People have devoted their whole careers to GWTW. They've done the reseach.

Today, the Pathe Studio Ranch, Culver City is called "The Hayden Tract":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hN...=w1003-h467-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EK...Y=w915-h396-no
google maps

Tourmaline Jan 18, 2018 9:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7589624)
Definitely not the Ambassador Hotel if the 1910 date is correct. I did a quick search and found this article which appeared in the 19 February, 1910 edition of the Los Angeles Herald. NB. I've rearranged the layout to make it more screen-friendly.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Here's a postcard showing some seating set up on the right.

Hotel Virginia, Long Beach, California Postcard. ca. 1915-1930.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.gettyimages.com

This photograph shows the detail of the building a little better.

Hotel Virginia in Long Beach, California, 1905.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
www.vintag.es




Hotel Virginia, Long Beach circa 1915
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f71efa9312.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...f71efa9312.jpg



http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...71f7f566e0.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...71f7f566e0.jpg



More Long Beach, "The Pike." circa 1915
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...c0dce8f5f1.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...c0dce8f5f1.jpg



Twenty years hence, Ocean Blvd., Long Beach (1935)
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...4430a951bf.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...4430a951bf.jpg



The heat is on. Long Beach (1935)
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...a519a00472.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...a519a00472.jpg

odinthor Jan 18, 2018 10:14 PM

Let's see inside the Virginia, too!

(All images from the rather dubious http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal18.html, in turn from the even more dubious odinthor collection.)

https://s26.postimg.org/ofqclcpmx/Hot_VSal.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/boc6eunkp/Hot_VStai.jpg

Let's take a walk outside:

https://s26.postimg.org/p594xyq95/Hot_VWalk.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/6poo0kjuh/Hot_VRose.jpg

CityBoyDoug Jan 18, 2018 10:33 PM

Long Beach 1935

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4719/...732516_o_d.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4719/...732516_o_d.jpg

Beaudry Jan 18, 2018 10:54 PM

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Beaudry Jan 18, 2018 11:18 PM

So we all know the story of the Hershey house—how Almira took her pad at Fourth & Grand and in 1907 hauled it a couple blocks west down Fourth to Hope, had Neher & Skilling enlarge it, and it became the Castle Apts, looming over Flower Street and parts beyond.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4602/...1eb4cbd6_b.jpglapl & Christina Rice

I'd always sort of wondered, since the Castle Towers is much larger, and we don't have an image of 350 S Grand on the Fourth St side, exactly what Neher & Skilling did. I just came upon a newspaper image that elucidates somewhat—I'm not sure what paper it's from as the image doesn't turn up in the Herald or the Times in newspapers.com. Take a look:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4668/...b4138775_b.jpg

They cut it in two parts (about 3/4 of the western part of the Fourth St side, 1/4 of the eastern part of the Fourth St side), hauled it down Fourth and propped it up on the cliff, and built around it from the ground up, filling in the middle, until it looked like this:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4660/...14d60df5_b.jpg

Note the black lines in the image above showing the demarcation between the old building and the new, becoming the building we all know and love (did y'all see this post by John Bengston?).

Leaving the question, though, who designed 350 S Grand? I think it was Oliver Perry Dennis, of Dennis & Farwell fame.

First off, Mira Hershey gets a permit to build a two-story dwelling at the NE corner in May of '96, that's 350. Don't know the architect. But, Mira buys the lot across the street in October of '98 and by early '99 she's got OP Dennis-designed buildings going up at 355 and a "ten-room frame and stone residence" on the same lot at 356 S Bunker Hill. These three:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4745/...b9027dcf_b.jpg

(Do we have a good image of 356?) Anyway, look at the similarities between 355 (which we know as Dennis) and 350.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4678/...fc7e502b_b.jpg
lapl

They're the only two Chateauesque buildings on the Hill, commissioned by the same woman, two-1/2 years apart. (You have to imagine 355 as having more ornamentation, of course; in the 1930s pic it looks like it's had a reroofing which removed some of the ornamentation. Compare: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4709/...1ff8768f_b.jpg)usc

Also interesting, Mira builds 350 in '96 and in '97 Cornelia Hill has Dennis & Farwell build this house in Redlands (later known as Kimberly Crest):

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4699/...a5ce3345_b.jpgpacifichorticulture

Now it's said that Cornelia wanted the house to look like the architecture she'd seen in the Loire Valley. My theory is Cornelia saw what Mira had built and asked her "Who are your architects? I want something like that!"

odinthor Jan 18, 2018 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8052242)
[...]
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4699/...a5ce3345_b.jpgpacifichorticulture

Now it's said that Cornelia wanted the house to look like the architecture she'd seen in the Loire Valley. My theory is Cornelia saw what Mira had built and asked her "Who are your architects? I want something like that!"

Amboise Chateau, Loire Valley:

https://s26.postimg.org/mvpm0xjjt/am...-river-min.jpg
from https://www.experienceloire.com/amboise.htm

Los Angeles Past Jan 19, 2018 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8048475)
I follow a Facebook page called SoCal Historic Architecture [...] There is one rather shameless contributor who has clearly been culling NLA posts all the way back to the begining of NLA, including text, and posting it verbatim to the FB page...he gets plenty of likes, but it's all recycled--no original content. (The sort of desperate need of people for the empty "likes" on FB has been much written about, hasn't it?)


Interesting. I've been assuming all along that this person you're calling out is actually one of us who is simply re-posting his own NLA content to that FB page using his real name.

GaylordWilshire Jan 19, 2018 1:17 AM

:previous:


Well, I know he's not Gaylord Wilshire, whose NLA posts have been recycled on more than once, as have those of others. It doesn't bother me when on occasion I see an NLAer reposting his own contributions made here. In the end, though--in the interest of keeping LA history alive...as I wrote in the original quote...I suppose the more our NLA finds find new eyes, the better.

Los Angeles Past Jan 19, 2018 1:25 AM

Not me, either. But yeah, if that someone is re-posting material that they themselves did not author, they should take care to properly cite the original source. You know how I feel about 'give credit where credit's due'. ;)

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2018 2:05 AM

We have visited the Laguna Beach Victor Hugo several times in the past; here's a slide to add to the collection.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LCybsB.jpg
ebay

"Laguna Beach California Rare 1950s Victor Hugo Inn Los Angeles - original slide"



The seller also has this...

"Hollywood California - Los Angeles - 1967 Kodachrome slide"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/php224.jpg
ebay

It's tacky and kinda' cool at the same time.

I like how the trees/shrubs are meandering onto the stage..but those green arches just aren't doing it for me.

CityBoyDoug Jan 19, 2018 2:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8052481)
We have visited the Laguna Beach Victor Hugo several times in the past; here's a slide to add to the collection.


"Laguna Beach California Rare 1950s Victor Hugo Inn Los Angeles - original slide"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LCybsB.jpg
ebay




Sharp looking Mercury at the left in ER's previous photo.Charming slice of life photo from long ago. Thanks ER.

In the 1950s it was a kid friendly restaurant in an idyllic setting.
Restaurant is still there in 2018 but now known as Las Brisas. The flower gardens are gone. The Laguna Beach Art Gallery is next door.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/79...daf6c5629f.jpg

odinthor Jan 19, 2018 5:11 AM

Exclusive for NLA!

For those who can't get enough of the Hotel Virginia, here are Hotel Virginia pix from the secret files of the odinthor collection, not published on my site.

https://s26.postimg.org/awip79g6h/Hot_VLob1001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/5l3smk1tl/Hot_VLob2001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/vtexbz3xl/Hot_VBall001.jpg


For the following two, I tamed down the too-garish colors of the primitivist-tending originals . . .


https://s26.postimg.org/8ryc68jpl/Hot_VGar1001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/wvp3ulf21/Hot_VGar2001.jpg
all images from the odinthor collection.

sadykadie2 Jan 19, 2018 5:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8052648)
Exclusive for NLA!

For those who can't get enough of the Hotel Virginia, here are Hotel Virginia pix from the secret files of the odinthor collection, not published on my site.

https://s26.postimg.org/awip79g6h/Hot_VLob1001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/5l3smk1tl/Hot_VLob2001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/vtexbz3xl/Hot_VBall001.jpg


For the following two, I tamed down the too-garish colors of the primitivist-tending originals . . .


https://s26.postimg.org/8ryc68jpl/Hot_VGar1001.jpg


https://s26.postimg.org/wvp3ulf21/Hot_VGar2001.jpg
all images from the odinthor collection.

Wowsa! Book me a room:yes:

MichaelRyerson Jan 19, 2018 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8048475)
Well said, PM-- one of the things I've always liked about NLA is that there ARE no "like" buttons etc. And that contributors actually dig. I follow a Facebook page called SoCal Historic Architecture, probably 50% or more of the contents of which is what might be to us here "basic" LA history--pictures of city hall, say, or Crossroads of the World etc. Nothing indepth or involving research, but they get plenty of "likes." There is one rather shameless contributor who has clearly been culling NLA posts all the way back to the begining of NLA, including text, and posting it verbatim to the FB page...he gets plenty of likes, but it's all recycled--no original content. (The sort of desperate need of people for the empty "likes" on FB has been much written about, hasn't it?) Anyway...I suppose the more our finds find eyes, the better.

Has anyone confronted this guy? One of the reasons I don't come around much anymore is because a couple of years ago one of the (then) regulars got in the habit of simply poaching things directly from my Flickr account, sometimes within thirty minutes of me putting the image up and posting it over here as something he had discovered. It got old and I decided I'd mosey along. Sounds suspiciously like the same guy. I don't have a Facebook account so can't really go look at this page.

Tourmaline Jan 19, 2018 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8052648)
Exclusive for NLA!

For those who can't get enough of the Hotel Virginia, here are Hotel Virginia pix from the secret files of the odinthor collection, not published on my site.

https://s26.postimg.org/awip79g6h/Hot_VLob1001.jpg

No room at this :previous: Inn?

In 1915, it might have been worth traveling south to Del Mar, to visit the newly constructed (1910) Stratford Inn (and an area known for Torrey Pines). The "Inn" later became the Hotel Del Mar in '26, and stuck around for another five decades. https://www.laubergedelmar.com/resor...-hotel-history


Quote:

The Southern California beach resort, L'Auberge Del Mar is located on the historic site of The Stratford Inn, built in 1910, which became the Hotel Del Mar in 1926. A hot spot for Hollywood celebrities and Southern California locals alike, the Hotel Del Mar was the perfect accompaniment to Bing Crosby & Pat O'Brien's Del Mar Fairgrounds and Racetrack. Celebrities such as Lucy and Desi Arnaz, and Jimmy Durante frequented the beach resort often.

During World War II, the beachside hotel became home to soldiers and their families. After the war, the hotel never regained the popularity it once held, fell into disrepair and in 1969, was torn down. In 1985, coinciding with Del Mar's centennial, local resident Jim Watkins purchased the property and rebuilt the hotel with an intention to draw people back to Del Mar. L'Auberge Del Mar opened its doors in 1989.https://www.laubergedelmar.com/resor...-hotel-history
https://www.laubergedelmar.com/asset...y-masthead.jpghttps://www.laubergedelmar.com/asset...y-masthead.jpg



Stratford Inn, circa 1915
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...27a825b802.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...27a825b802.jpg



Another alternative - without the beachfront? Head northeast to the Hollywood Hotel. Perhaps the good folk at the Virginia will call ahead.

1915, Hollywood Hotel
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...9d46dd8663.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...9d46dd8663.jpg



http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...0036fd04a5.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...4a5.jpghttp://

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=40475

GaylordWilshire Jan 19, 2018 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 8052775)
Has anyone confronted this guy? One of the reasons I don't come around much anymore is because a couple of years ago one of the (then) regulars got in the habit of simply poaching things directly from my Flickr account, sometimes within thirty minutes of me putting the image up and posting it over here as something he had discovered. It got old and I decided I'd mosey along. Sounds suspiciously like the same guy. I don't have a Facebook account so can't really go look at this page.


Not wanting to create a big stink on the FB page, I think I've managed to make it clear that some are on to the poster's m.o. by pointing out the original NLA source. In all fairness, the FB page is all about surface (as is all of FB), which attracts people just passing time--no one on FB really wants research or thought of any depth, just pretty pictures--which, it must be said, is one way of appreciating a subject, a legitimate one, that has its place. When I look at the FB arch pages, though, I can really appreciate the value of NLA, which seems made up of actual brilliant amateur researchers, if not officially of professional caliber. Wonderfully quirky individuals too. Artists of a sort. One can't help but be protective. Ok, back to research trenches....

PS-- I may have missed it, but has NLA actually gotten beyond annual tributes to the BD? Has she joined the cliché status of city hall or the Hollywood sign?

MichaelRyerson Jan 19, 2018 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8052803)
Not wanting to create a big stink on the FB page, I think I've managed to make it clear that some are on to the poster's m.o. by pointing out the original NLA source. In all fairness, the FB page is all about surface (as is all of FB), which attracts people just passing time--no one on FB really wants research or thought of any depth, just pretty pictures--which, it must be said, is one way of appreciating a subject, a legitimate one, that has its place. When I look at the FB arch pages, though, I can really appreciate the value of NLA, which seems made up of actual brilliant amateur researchers, if not officially of professional caliber. Wonderfully quirky individuals too. Artists of a sort. One can't help but be protective. Ok, back to research trenches....

PS-- I may have missed it, but has NLA actually gotten beyond annual tributes to the BD? Has she joined the cliché status of city hall or the Hollywood sign?

Yeah, I was surprised (mildly) that she didn't show up this year. I pruned our rose bushes on her anniversary as a commemoration (at Larry Harnisch's suggestion). I don't do it every year. Sometimes I forget.

odinthor Jan 19, 2018 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8052803)
[...]
PS-- I may have missed it, but has NLA actually gotten beyond annual tributes to the BD? [...]

Tributes to Brent Dickerson are always welcome, but never encouraged.

Tourmaline Jan 19, 2018 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6678257)

Another view of the Huntington cottage, now with a library, which some sources suggest was constructed post 1920. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington_Library In this instance, "the" source, Huntington, provides date, circa 1918. :shrug: http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/107/rec/40


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...ama&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...ama&DMROTATE=0

In 1935, the "library/art museum" said to have been designed in 1920, appeared like this. Wonder what kind of crowds it drew then. :hmmm:
Fortunately, not much has changed except for the size of the collections and . . . the crowd.
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...9920f2a9b6.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...9920f2a9b6.jpg



http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...37609ad7e7.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...37609ad7e7.jpg

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2018 6:10 PM

Hi all.

I received a couple requests this past week. If anyone has some spare time this weekend

#1________________________________________________________________________

Hello Mr. reality,

Did I really just say that?

Forgive me for being comical.

I am new to the forum and I am looking for assistance with photographs of the Aliso Manufactured Gas Plant.

Are you aware of sources for photographs of Aliso manufacture gas plant in operation? Or really any photographs inside or out

in and around the Aliso MGP between 1864 and 1950.

Any help or contacts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


#2__________________________________________________________________________



Can you help me find old photos of 4236 Griffin Ave in Los Angeles

We’re trying to restore the site of an old signal gas station but we would like to restore it to its original Art Deco style

and your thread seem to be the authority when it comes to L.A. history any help would be greatly appreciated.

my name is Fred

_______________________________________________________________

thanks in advance fellow noirishers. :)

Tourmaline Jan 19, 2018 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4806412)
An aerial view of the Japanese Gardens in the Hollywood Hills. aka Bernheimer Estate.


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3...merjapanes.jpg
postcard



Below: Another great view of the Japanese Garden complex.
You can pick out the Rollin B. Lane residence (1909) center left, which would later become the 'Magic Castle'.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/377...merjapanes.jpg
postcard










Below: And I LOVE this strange snapshot.

The two girls are a block south of Grauman's. (you can see the theater's roof towering over the lamps & shade store)
If you look closely, you can see the Japanese Gardens (now Yamashiro) up on the Hill above the sassy redhead.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/8FWe5Y.jpg
slide, ebay




The owner of the Japanese Gardens in Hollywood, also had a residence and gardens in Pacific Palisades.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1...merresiden.jpg
postcard



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/jAd4m1.jpg
http://www.image-archeology.com/Bern...sidence_CA.htm




Here is the website for Yamashiro.

http://www.yamashirorestaurant.com/


Cue the orchestra. Structure in foreground is clearly magical :previous:.


1915
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...093020a419.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...093020a419.jpg




1915, Berhnheimer residence aka, Yamashiro's.
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...61f09625bc.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...61f09625bc.jpg




1934 - Bernheimer Residence
http://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...1fb19c3a31.jpghttp://exhibits.sos.ca.gov/files/ori...1fb19c3a31.jpg


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