SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)
-   Found City Photos (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23)
-   -   noirish Los Angeles (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170279)

Lwize Jan 21, 2021 9:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9166824)
For those interested:

L.A. County Library Virtual Program | Thursday, January 28, 5 pm
Take a Tour Through Late Victorian Era Los Angeles
Join us on this photographic tour of LA, as seen through images from the collection of the
Homestead Museum, led by its director, Paul Spitzzeri. For adults. Free. Register here.

The library wants to use either Adobe Flash and Windows Media Player, both of which are defunct.
Has anyone tried an LA County Library Webex event with a player from the 21st Century? :???:

RudyJK Jan 22, 2021 2:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9166537)
.

mystery location. (this one is going to be a difficult to solve). .*reaches for whip*. .;)


A young man, "Buss", poses for a photograph in 1929 Los Angeles.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/1YnjP1.jpg
eBay



The reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/V5Ug7i.jpg








Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4Zlc42.jpg

And as you can see there are signs along the embankment on the opposite side of the street. (as well as a 'No Parking' to the right of his left shoulder)

Is this an entrance to a bridge or, perhaps a ramp of some sort?



:superwhip
Go at it sleuths!
.

A MOST handsome young man! But what a lot of trash at his feet.

I guess we think that things were clean and nice so many years ago. But the scourge of man made pollution rears up in these old photos to prove us wrong.

odinthor Jan 22, 2021 3:31 AM

Should it yield any ideas for location for the natty young gent currently under consideration, here are the "Buss" and "Buss+" listings from the 1929 CD:

https://i.postimg.cc/Hst991qs/Buss1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XJwCNw37/Buss2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/2yrB1V8d/Buss3.jpg

In re: Trash. I well remember noticing at the time that Ladybird Johnson's campaign to make America beautiful made a big difference, at least where I was. Before it, everyone would casually throw trash, paper, cigarettes, and so on out their car windows as they rolled along, and would do it without a thought. After she sensitized us, in my experience more people had a greater tendency to be less thoughtless about such things.

Noir_Noir Jan 22, 2021 9:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9166537)

A young man, "Buss", poses for a photograph in 1929 Los Angeles.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/1YnjP1.jpg
eBay


Garbo on the billboard? :shrug:


https://i.imgur.com/kt1xS2Z.jpg
gettyimages.co.uk
imgc.artprintimages.com

ethereal_reality Jan 22, 2021 5:31 PM

.
Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyJK (Post 9167215)
A MOST handsome young man! But what a lot of trash at his feet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9167250)
Should it yield any ideas for location for the natty young gent currently under consideration, here are the "Buss" and "Buss+" listings from the 1929 CD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9167365)
Garbo on the billboard? :shrug:

Thanks for your help guys.

There are other vintage snapshots the eBay seller has listed that might be from the same lot. If anyone wants to check them out go Here. (it's fun!)

I noticed the trash too, RudyJK. At first I thought it might be a clue that is telling us the street corner is a busy one.
BUT then I thought it might be a lesser corner that just isn't swept as often. (I got nothing)


Thanks for the "Buss" listings, odinthor. I'm going to go through the addresses that hold the most promise.


Good idea checking out the movies released in 1929, Noir Noir. The advertisements make me think the street is a main thoroughfare.
I mean. . why would the studios place ads where few people would see them.

Now I'm back to thinking it's a busy street corner. (whiplash!)

.

Arch2000 Jan 22, 2021 5:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9162805)
:previous:

I haven't found mention of one being installed at the PE Bldg./Huntington Bldg.; but by 1916 there was one at L.A.'s Santa Fe Hospital:

https://i.postimg.cc/gk3tkLrB/Kirker-Bender.jpg
Hospital Management, v. I, p. 1, 1916.

I'm very familiar with this complex, more recently known as the Linda Vista Hospital. After it closed in the 1990s, it was used for rentals/film shoots until being converted into senior housing a few years ago. In the interim, I was involved with a man who wanted to develop it into market-rate lofts.

It's an interesting complex of several buildings, and some unique spaces inside (and yes, some were creepy). But there was no cylindrical fire escape slide that I ever saw. Unless it was installed inside the old smokestack from the on-site incinerator!

odinthor Jan 22, 2021 8:31 PM

In re: "Buss."

According to scanty information ultimately deriving from the 1940 census, Elmer J. Bussell of (in 1929) 1030 W. 49th and of (in 1940) 6342 6th St. was born around 1901. Is our gent in the picture arguably about 28 years old?

If anyone asked me, "Does that young man in the pic have an air of working in a motion picture laboratory?" (as the CD listing indicates for Elmer), I would be constrained to reply, "Why, yes. Yes he does."

ethereal_reality Jan 22, 2021 9:15 PM

.
2" Transparency Slide Roy Rogers TV Audio Taping HOLLYWOOD

ABC. .Studio 26. .Los Angeles. .1962

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DiJvmT.jpg
eBay

Is this really how television shows were recorded back in 1962?...I thought the sound technician would be in a sound-proof room. . not on a folding table against the wall !

I can't go without commenting on the young man's festive shirt. Not only does it match the wall and signs, it sparkles!

.

AviationGuy Jan 23, 2021 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyJK (Post 9167215)
A MOST handsome young man! But what a lot of trash at his feet.

I guess we think that things were clean and nice so many years ago. But the scourge of man made pollution rears up in these old photos to prove us wrong.

Interesting observation. I've seen many photos and films from many decades ago, and it appears that cities were much dirtier then. My Dad told me that up until about the 50s, U.S. highways were routinely used as dumping grounds (not just the kind of litter we see today). Having had a career in air quality, I know that air pollution was far worse until the EPA and states starting cracking down on emissions. Water quality was also far worse in the past.

RudyJK Jan 23, 2021 2:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9168007)
.
2" Transparency Slide Roy Rogers TV Audio Taping HOLLYWOOD

ABC. .Studio 26. .Los Angeles. .1962

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DiJvmT.jpg
eBay

Is this really how television shows were recorded back in 1962?...I thought the sound technician would be in a sound-proof room. . not on a folding table against the wall !

I can't go without commenting on the young man's festive shirt. Not only does it match the wall and signs, it sparkles! I wonder if the whole crew wore these shirts for the Christmas special...(maybe Dale made them) :)

.

Cafe Bustelo Estuvo Aqui! :tongue4:

riichkay Jan 23, 2021 8:05 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Ida Wyman, primarily known for her "street" photography, took this undated photo, I would guess about 1950....location also not identified, but to me it looked like D.T.L.A.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Is that the City Hall depicted on her cap?....the three shield-type signs reflected in the glass appear to be in the form of the old Union Pacific signage. 

CaliNative Jan 23, 2021 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9168448)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Ida Wyman, primarily known for her "street" photography, took this undated photo, I would guess about 1950....location also not identified, but to me it looked like D.T.L.A.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Is that the City Hall depicted on her cap?....the three shield-type signs reflected in the glass appear to be in the form of the old Union Pacific signage. 

^^^

From the coin dispenser on her waist and her uniform, I take it she is a parking meter maid, lot attendant, streetcar/bus change & ticket attendant or something like that. The emblem on her cap might be that of the Pacific Electric system (not absolutely sure) and that might be city hall. The aviator glasses give a no nonsense "don't mess with me" vibe. The pic might be a bit earlier than 1950, perhaps mid to late '40s, even WW2 era.

odinthor Jan 23, 2021 5:48 PM

Bringing together the subject of trash on L.A. streets and my supposition that "Buss" is Elmer Jack Bussell (sometimes he used "Elmer J. Bussell," sometimes he used "E. Jack Bussell," sometimes he used "E.J. Bussell"), the following from 1946 indeed seems to be written by our lad:

https://i.postimg.cc/QCBkwz9z/Bussell-LAT-46-8-12.jpg
LA Times, August 12, 1946.


The "adjacent to Beverly Hills" choice of the Bussells seems borne out by Mrs. Bussell having bought a residence at 1363 N. Doheny in 1942:

https://i.postimg.cc/mD97SHvx/Bussell-1363-NDoheny.jpg
gsv


Both Bussell and his wife appear to still be alive by September 29, 1963, when they're mentioned--neither as "late"--as the parents of "the bride-elect" in an upcoming marriage; the bride was indeed "the grand-daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Albert N. Chamness, pioneer residents of Whittier" (LA Times, 9/29/1963).

Edit Add:

Just a research note: Should anyone want to read the L.A. Times' 3-part series on the street litter and trash in L.A. as it was in 1946, the articles, photos, and reactions will be found in the paper's issues of (late) July and August, 1946.

GaylordWilshire Jan 23, 2021 5:54 PM

I don't believe we've ever come across this building at the nwc of Mission Road and Lincoln Park Ave (then known as Prichard Street), built in late 1912 by real estate investor Joseph Mesmer:


https://i.postimg.cc/1zckXFFf/aviary1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fLPBRW8V/aviarypicrear-bmp.jpg
(This image was sent to me for identification by a veterinarian at the Wroclaw Zoo in Wroclaw, Poland.)


I found this item in the LAT of November 24, 1912:

https://i.postimg.cc/x1ss4PLG/aviary-LATpic-bmp.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/DzHx2yj8/aviary-LATtext.png


The aviary business appears to have remained in the building until 1916, then was moved by manager Frank Weinberg to what appears to be his home nearby at 120 N. Gates St.

The building was demolished in 1932 and a branch of the Calif DMV is on the site today.
.
.
.
.

ethereal_reality Jan 23, 2021 8:23 PM

:previous:

Wow! That's an awesome place, GW. Hard to believe we haven't come across it until now.



At one point in time the plans also included a bowling alley and billiard room.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/M1yrDL.jpg
Los Angeles Herald, Aug. 24, 1912


.

riichkay Jan 23, 2021 8:40 PM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

I just Google searched the image, which I should have done in the first place, and an art gallery labels the picture "The Transette, San Antonio, Texas, 1948".

Earl Boebert Jan 23, 2021 10:28 PM

From Twitter, 10 Oct 2019:

#ThisdayinSAhistory 1949: "The last of San Antonio’s Transettes disappeared from San Antonio streets today. At one time during the war there were more than 30 of the green-suited transettes handing out change and giving information to bus riders."

ethereal_reality Jan 24, 2021 1:03 AM

.

Alluring matadora parking attendants at the Golden Violin on the Sunset Strip. (1963)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/oYA5Nr.jpg
eBay




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/Rfzwym.jpg
eBay

I've never heard of the Golden Violin.... Does anyone know where on the strip it was located?





for search purposes:...eve marlow...jane dunn
.

HossC Jan 24, 2021 8:18 AM

:previous:

The Golden Violin restaurant was at 8917 Sunset Boulevard. From jhgraham.com:
Little Hungary, also known as Little Gypsy, was open here by November 1937, featuring Hungarian food and the music of gypsy violins.

Though it changed names in 1960, the restaurant retained the same theme as The Golden Violin, owned by Rose Dietch. Dietch went a different direction in 1964, changing the name to The Galaxy, which it remained into 1969.
The article has a couple of photos of Little Hungary/Little Gypsy but none of the Golden Violin or The Galaxy.

CityBoyDoug Jan 24, 2021 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 9168921)
From Twitter, 10 Oct 2019:

#ThisdayinSAhistory 1949: "The last of San Antonio’s Transettes disappeared from San Antonio streets today. At one time during the war there were more than 30 of the green-suited transettes handing out change and giving information to bus riders."

https://mysapl.files.wordpress.com/2.../transette.jpg
Transit S. A., TX

That cap emblem is the ''Transit Tower" referenced in the ad. The Tower was a city landmark before WW II and after.

GaylordWilshire Jan 24, 2021 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9169010)
.

Alluring matadora parking attendants at the Golden Violin on the Sunset Strip. (1963)

https://i.postimg.cc/W3XKMkhN/goldenviolinorig.jpg



https://i.postimg.cc/59sQDNZZ/goldenviolin-bmp.jpgLAPL

Keep it in your pants, boys. Get 'em hard and get 'em drinking--seems the Playboy Bunny trend spread into the Valley....


The LAPL's description:

"Shapely models bolster business at Valley Cafe"

"Photograph article dated May 29, 1963 partially reads, 'The biggest luncheon attraction since the advent of blue plate specials is ringing cash registers in Valley restaurants. Unlisted on any menu, the three-letter attraction is credited by one Northridge restaurant operator with doubling his business. 'We started lingerie fashion shows about a year ago after seeing the success they had at the Golden Violin on the Sunset Strip,' says Herb Gross, owner of Jo Jo's restaurant in Northridge. 'Our first shows, with clothes, increased business about 20 per cent--then we took the clothes off and business doubled,' says Gross."

odinthor Jan 24, 2021 7:41 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/QxDrQmhJ/Golden-V-LAT-60-2-15.jpg
LA Times, February 15, 1960.

Martin Pal Jan 25, 2021 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9169156)
:previous:

The Golden Violin restaurant was at 8917 Sunset Boulevard. From jhgraham.com:
Little Hungary, also known as Little Gypsy, was open here by November 1937, featuring Hungarian food and the music of gypsy violins.

Though it changed names in 1960, the restaurant retained the same theme as The Golden Violin, owned by Rose Dietch. Dietch went a different direction in 1964, changing the name to The Galaxy, which it remained into 1969.
The article has a couple of photos of Little Hungary/Little Gypsy but none of the Golden Violin or The Galaxy.


I found a photo of the Golden Violin...

http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.com/i...set%20Blvd.jpg


Dated 1962. From left to right:

Hamburger Hamlet | Cavalier | The Opera House | Golden Violin Restaurant (it also says that on the striped awning on the right) | ? | Los Angeles Conservatory of Music (that sign is on the building that became the Whisky-A-Gogo)

CaliNative Jan 25, 2021 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9168007)
.
2" Transparency Slide Roy Rogers TV Audio Taping HOLLYWOOD

ABC. .Studio 26. .Los Angeles. .1962

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DiJvmT.jpg
eBay

Is this really how television shows were recorded back in 1962?...I thought the sound technician would be in a sound-proof room. . not on a folding table against the wall !

I can't go without commenting on the young man's festive shirt. Not only does it match the wall and signs, it sparkles! I wonder if the whole crew wore these shirts for the Christmas special...(maybe Dale made them) :)

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9169642)
I found a photo of the Golden Violin...

http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.com/i...set%20Blvd.jpg


Dated 1962. From left to right:

Hamburger Hamlet | Cavalier | The Opera House | Golden Violin Restaurant (it also says that on the striped awning on the right) | ? | Los Angeles Conservatory of Music (that sign is on the building that became the Whisky-A-Gogo)

You mention the Whisky a Go Go. In the mid 1960s I remember there were "riots" at that place. I was only about 14 at the time, living in the Valley but I remember hearing about the riots on the local news. What were the riots about? Were the Doors rock group performing there at the time? Anybody see the Doors perform? The 1960s were the heyday of the "Sunset Strip", when it was still unincorporated county land. Also, is that the original Hamburger Hamlet? Too bad the chain went away. Very popular before the 1990s.

JimCraig Jan 25, 2021 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9169759)
Also, is that the original Hamburger Hamlet? Too bad the chain went away. Very popular before the 1990s.

No trip to Hollywood was complete without a stop at the Hamburger Hamlet on Hollywood Boulevard opposite Grauman's Chinese Theater. Great burgers and the people-watching couldn't be beat!

westcork Jan 25, 2021 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9168007)
.
2" Transparency Slide Roy Rogers TV Audio Taping HOLLYWOOD

ABC. .Studio 26. .Los Angeles. .1962

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DiJvmT.jpg
eBay

Is this really how television shows were recorded back in 1962?...I thought the sound technician would be in a sound-proof room. . not on a folding table against the wall !

I can't go without commenting on the young man's festive shirt. Not only does it match the wall and signs, it sparkles!

.

I am familiar with Ampex from the IT industry. I did not realize they had such a legacy.
https://www.ampex.com/ampex-history/

odinthor Jan 25, 2021 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9169759)
You mention the Whisky a Go Go. In the mid 1960s I remember there were "riots" at that place. I was only about 14 at the time, living in the Valley but I remember hearing about the riots on the local news. What were the riots about? Were the Doors rock group performing there at the time? Anybody see the Doors perform? The 1960s were the heyday of the "Sunset Strip", when it was still unincorporated county land. [...]

CaliNative, here's a try at answering your question. This article is very heavily edited by yours truly :cool: in order to focus on the matter at hand:

https://i.postimg.cc/wBYr77Bv/Whiske...AT-91-4-27.jpg
LA Times, April 27, 1991.

Those Who Squirm! Jan 25, 2021 9:54 PM

1507 N. Vine, in the 1960 street directory.

They must have moved there from 4852 W. Jefferson Boulevard, where they were listed in 1956.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9163513)
.

This isn't as exciting as Live Nude Girls but it's a mystery location nonetheless.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/sMNBpN.jpg
eBay

The restaurant next door on the right is. . .um . . .Gaiety(?)


.


ethereal_reality Jan 26, 2021 6:53 AM

.

Here are a small group of well-dressed visitors enjoying Pershing Square in 1955. (originally found on EBAY)




#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Kg313C.jpg









#2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7wKRPN.jpg











#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/EEQuya.jpg











#4

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pe9Gpc.jpg

The Biltmore Hotel is directly behind the trio.









#5

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7mN3qZ.jpg












#6

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/m2vGcK.jpg

That's quite a LARGE area to be designated "Keep Off The Grass".

If you look closely you can see the people coralled on the pathway.









#7

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/oNTfJ2.jpg

Perhaps this is the street where the 'well-dressed people' parked and then walked to Pershing Square.

I'm pretty sure it's the street directly behind the Biltmore Hotel. (I can't remember the street's name)

If that's correct, the building on the left is the Mayflower Hotel. (and, of course, that's the Los Angeles Library in the distance)




.

CaliNative Jan 26, 2021 8:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9170403)
CaliNative, here's a try at answering your question. This article is very heavily edited by yours truly :cool: in order to focus on the matter at hand:

https://i.postimg.cc/wBYr77Bv/Whiske...AT-91-4-27.jpg
LA Times, April 27, 1991.

Thanks. Wish I had spent more time on the Sunset Strip when I was a teen! Instead I went the nerd study route. But missed a LOT of cultural history..and fun amidst the teenyboppers. Like someone in the 1920s missing out on flappers, speaks, Babe Ruth and the Charleston. Advice to youth... "Gather Yee Rosebuds Why Yee May"...life is short. Carpe Diem.

CaliNative Jan 26, 2021 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9170905)
.

Here are a small group of well-dressed visitors enjoying Pershing Square in 1955. (originally found on EBAY)




#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Kg313C.jpg









#2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7wKRPN.jpg











#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/EEQuya.jpg











#4

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pe9Gpc.jpg

The Biltmore Hotel is directly behind the trio.









#5

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7mN3qZ.jpg












#6

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/m2vGcK.jpg

That's quite a LARGE area to be designated "Keep Off The Grass".

If you look closely you can see the people coralled on the pathway.









#7

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/oNTfJ2.jpg

Perhaps this is the street where the 'well-dressed people' parked and then walked to Pershing Square.

I'm pretty sure it's the street directly behind the Biltmore Hotel. (I can't remember the street's name)

If that's correct, the building on the left is the Mayflower Hotel. (and, of course, that's the Los Angeles Library in the distance)

.

^^^
Look at how nice Pershing Square used to be. A place people wanted to go. Why can't it be like that again?

ethereal_reality Jan 26, 2021 4:06 PM

.
I appreciate all the follow-ups to the Golden Violin.

In that same vein here's another place we haven't seen on NLA.

The Epicurean Coffee House, 6842 W. Sunset Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Yt8bzO.jpg
adsausage

This ad was in the Los Angeles Free Press, April 1968.


"The 1921 8-bedroom residential building was home to an assortment of businesses over the years; Eugene Riese (a baritone voice teacher) opened his vocal studio,
and Samuel McKee offered Piano by Ear at $3.50 a lesson. Soon after, the wonderfully named coffee house Epicurean opened."......adsausage




Not to be confused with Bab's Epicurean Restaurant on South Spring Street, downtown.
.

BDiH Jan 26, 2021 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9171085)
.
I appreciate all the follow-ups to the Golden Violin.

In that same vein here's another place we haven't seen on NLA.

The Epicurean Coffee House, 6842 W. Sunset Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Yt8bzO.jpg
adsausage

This ad was in the Los Angeles Free Press, April 1968.


"The 1921 8-bedroom residential building was home to an assortment of businesses over the years; Eugene Riese (a baritone voice teacher) opened his vocal studio,
and Samuel McKee offered Piano by Ear at $3.50 a lesson. Soon after, the wonderfully named coffee house Epicurean opened."......adsausage

Not to be confused with Bab's Epicurean Restaurant on South Spring Street, downtown.
.

The Epicurean was a great coffee house. There was a long table in the main room where we played chess and drank coffee, which was available for 50 cents at a window in another room. Maybe second only to the Fifth Estate and Fred C. Dobbs. Gone are the days!

odinthor Jan 26, 2021 5:44 PM

:previous:

6842 W. Sunset today:

https://i.postimg.cc/3JjVbNsm/6842-WSunset.jpg
gsv

The tiled building rising behind is an apartment house (?) at 1460 N. Mansfield:

https://i.postimg.cc/rpsHmJKN/1460-Mansfield.jpg
gsv

Martin Pal Jan 26, 2021 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9169642)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9169156)
The Golden Violin restaurant was at 8917 Sunset Boulevard. From jhgraham.com:
Little Hungary, also known as Little Gypsy, was open here by November 1937, featuring Hungarian food and the music of gypsy violins.

Though it changed names in 1960, the restaurant retained the same theme as The Golden Violin, owned by Rose Dietch. Dietch went a different direction in 1964, changing the name to The Galaxy, which it remained into 1969.
The article has a couple of photos of Little Hungary/Little Gypsy but none of the Golden Violin or The Galaxy.
_______________________________________________________________________________________


I found a photo of the Golden Violin...

http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.com/i...set%20Blvd.jpg


Dated 1962. From left to right:

Hamburger Hamlet | Cavalier | The Opera House | Golden Violin Restaurant | ? | Los Angeles Conservatory of Music
_______________________________________________________________________________________


Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9169759)
Also, is that the original Hamburger Hamlet? Too bad the chain went away. Very popular before the 1990's.
_________________________________________________________________


CaliNative, According to the info accompanying the c.1955 photo below, that is the original Hamburger Hamlet.


https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...17&oe=60332639Old L.A. Restaurants

A commenter on the above photo says: The man who started "Hamburger Hamlet" [in the 1950's] was an actor named Harry Lewis. He played a gangster in the film "Key Largo" [1948] with Bogart. The chain was very successful and Lewis sold it for 28 million in 1987. That might be Lewis to the far left.

An Old L.A. Restaurants blog post states: The first Hamburger Hamlet was at 8931 Sunset, not far from where the Whisky a Go Go nightclub would later flourish for a time. [For a time?]

https://oldlarestaurants.com/wp-cont...s/hamlet02.jpg

The way the story goes, the Lewises opened the first one with all their savings — about $3,000 or $3,500 depending on which account you read. That opening was just before Halloween of 1950 and when they were about to open the doors, they discovered they couldn’t cook. The gas hadn’t been turned on and they were so tapped out that they couldn’t afford to pay the deposit and couldn’t afford to not open on schedule. Marilyn got in touch with a gas man and struck an under-the-table bargain: If he’d come over and turn them on anyway, he could eat there for free as long as they were in business. He did both these things.

The original idea was to open an actors’ hangout but the place quickly caught on with folks of all different vocations and other outlets quickly followed.


Wall signs at the original location:
https://oldlarestaurants.com/wp-cont...s/hamlet03.jpg

A 1960 photo. Caption: Dwayne Hickman, also known as Dobie Gillis, and his main squeeze, Yvonne Lime, strolling past the original Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset Strip between Clark and Hilldale in 1960.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-USHlZASWH...-gallery-4.jpg
VLA Memories of Hamburger Hamlet


A 1966 photo by Ed Ruscha:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkYZ_1SU...pg&name=mediumVLA on Twitter

_______________________________________________________________________________________


Cavalier

Next door to Hamburger Hamlet was a place called Cavalier. (8927 Sunset Blvd. maybe?) It's in the top photo in this post very clearly, and noticeable in the bottom Ruscha photo.

All I've been able to figure out about this place is that it sold...something. (Looks like clothes.) One person on a blog wrote that it closed before it was open, although you can see it in the very first photo in this post above, dated 1962 and the very last one, the Ed Ruscha photo dated 1966, where you can see a "Going Out of Business" banner for the Cavalier. So, it was there up to 4 years at least.

Martin Pal Jan 26, 2021 6:37 PM

^^^

Guess I'll continue on down the block...

I was looking at the Dwayne Hickman photo above and see the place to the right of Cavalier is called The Handlebar in that 1960 photo.

Here's another 1960 photo with Dwayne Hickman and that name on the awning:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...1MjI@._V1_.jpgIMDB

In the 1962 photo at the top it's called The Opera House. On a website about the strip a commenter wrote: Does anyone remember a club
called "Fred Pratt's Opera House"? I think it might have existed in the [same] building right before it became Jesse James' Opera House...
...which then became London Fog. I think it may have been Fred Pratt's Opera House from 1961 - 1965. Anyone?


I haven't been able to find anything else about anyone named Fred Pratt.
Maybe in the 1962 photo where it just says "The Opera House", that place was run by Fred Pratt?

Here's an undated photo with the Jesse James Opera House banner:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...29&oe=60344216


Apparently after Jesse James acquired the Opera House, he opened a new club there called London Fog. I could have sworn that this location was posted on NLA at one time or another, or at least mentioned, but I tried searching and found no evidence that was the case.

http://www.doorshistory.com/londonfogfront.jpgDoorsHistory

From a 1965 issue of the publication 'Nite Life West' regarding how Jesse James came up with the name 'London Fog': "Asked how he came to call it 'London Fog', Jesse replied he was combing his hair to look like the Beatles, and with his hair down over his eyes, he remarked, 'Looking through my hair is like looking in a London fog'. Immediately the idea struck him as the name for his new club."

There's a Facebook page for London Fog and even they don't have any really good photos of the place. I found this one in another location:

London Fog, 8919 Sunset Blvd.
Despite it's notoriety, it opened in 1965 and closed in 1966.

http://www.doorshistory.com/londonfogsunset.jpgDoorsHistory

You'll notice the Doors banner in the photo. They were hired as the house band there for a time. One of the band members said, after their audition night where they invited dozens of friends to come, “The London Fog immediately went back to its usual clientele. A few businessmen, two sailors on shore leave in their angel whites, a couple of prostitutes, an occasional transvestite hustler, a small group of guys and girls from the valley looking for strip action – it sure wasn’t at the London Fog – and a random hippie or two. But never at the same time. Always scattered over the evening, so that any given moment there were approximately ten people in the joint.”

Known bands to have played there: The Doors, The Us, The Enemys and The Lost Souls.

This is Us ;) in front of the club:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e6&oe=60379452DoorsHistory

If you click on the above photo, there's a similar cut off version in color.

The Enemys became a house band at the Whisky, and even appeared on The Beverly Hillbillies!
Video Link


There's an even longer clip with them from the show, but...it's dubbed in Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwW...ature=youtu.be

So far, I haven't found out what was there after London Fog closed in 1966, but right now it's a barbershop!

Moving on down the block... (to be continued)

CityBoyDoug Jan 26, 2021 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9170919)
^^^
Look at how nice Pershing Square used to be. A place people wanted to go. Why can't it be like that again?

The Los Angeles City Council removed most of the trees, grass and benches from Pershing Square because they didn't want undesirables and homeless hanging around the Square all day and sleeping there at night. So now its an ugly concrete wasteland. The local office workers even avoid the place at their lunchtime. The beautiful oasis we see in the old photos is long gone.

Martin Pal Jan 26, 2021 9:28 PM

:previous:

CBD, those 1955 photos posted were even after the entire park was demolished and excavated in 1952 to build a three-level underground parking garage.
We all like the park as it was before 1952. (For 8 decades!)

https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/...%20Bank%29.jpgL.A. Conservancy


How refreshing on a hot day... (1960's postcard)
https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/...rd%201960s.jpgL.A. Conservancy

It seems over time it gets increasingly worse anytime they think they're upgrading it.

2010:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/los-...-194730693.jpgL.A. Conservancy

In February (2020) it was announced the new design would be going ahead, starting in the fall (2020) in 4 phases.

It does look like more trees and shade are in the offering in this rendering:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/WvnJ..._GARDENS.0.jpg

Pershing Square Redevelopment Will Begin By End of Year, Now That Funds Are Secured
https://www.archpaper.com/2020/02/pe...funds-secured/

The long-planned redevelopment of Downtown's Pershing Square is moving forward, but in incremental stages. The Department of Recreation and Parks announced that the $110 million project will be built over 10 years in at least four phases.

[TEN YEARS!? :psycho:]

Part of the reason for the phased approach is to not disrupt the operating parking garage underneath Pershing Square, and make sure the construction is safe, according to Michael Shull, general manager for the Department of Recreation and Parks.

The article was from almost a year ago. Anyone know if the construction began last fall? Online I hear crickets...

CityBoyDoug Jan 26, 2021 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9171508)
:previous:

CBD, those 1955 photos posted were even after the entire park was demolished and excavated in 1952 to build a three-level underground parking garage.
We all like the park as it was before 1952. (For 8 decades!)

https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/...%20Bank%29.jpgL.A. Conservancy


How refreshing on a hot day... (1960's postcard)
https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/...rd%201960s.jpgL.A. Conservancy

It seems over time it gets increasingly worse anytime they think they're upgrading it.

2010:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/los-...-194730693.jpgL.A. Conservancy

In February (2020) it was announced the new design would be going ahead, starting in the fall (2020) in 4 phases.

It does look like more trees and shade are in the offering in this rendering:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/WvnJ..._GARDENS.0.jpg

Pershing Square Redevelopment Will Begin By End of Year, Now That Funds Are Secured
https://www.archpaper.com/2020/02/pe...funds-secured/

The long-planned redevelopment of Downtown's Pershing Square is moving forward, but in incremental stages. The Department of Recreation and Parks announced that the $110 million project will be built over 10 years in at least four phases.

[TEN YEARS!? :psycho:]

Part of the reason for the phased approach is to not disrupt the operating parking garage underneath Pershing Square, and make sure the construction is safe, according to Michael Shull, general manager for the Department of Recreation and Parks.

The article was from almost a year ago. Anyone know if the construction began last fall? Online I hear crickets...

Horrible cement block seating.....wide open spaces, so cops can see the entire park. The minute I hear ''safe'', I get cynical.

ethereal_reality Jan 27, 2021 4:54 AM

.
Late night mystery location.

Los Angeles

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/nw6Z5B.jpg
eBay

Does anyone have an idea where this might be?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .That might be the corner of a park on the right - - - - - >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Now, look up. :previous: ;)


He looks like my uncle when he was young.




.

Lorendoc Jan 27, 2021 6:51 AM

507 S Flower
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9171843)
.
Late night mystery location.

Los Angeles

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/nw6Z5B.jpg
eBay

Does anyone have an idea where this might be?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .That might be a corner of a park on the right - - - - - >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Now, look up. :previous:


He looks like my uncle when he was young.




.

...was the locus for a number of car rental agencies in the 1956 CD.

CaliNative Jan 27, 2021 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9171418)
The Los Angeles City Council removed most of the trees, grass and benches from Pershing Square because they didn't want undesirables and homeless hanging around the Square all day and sleeping there at night. So now its an ugly concrete wasteland. The local office workers even avoid the place at their lunchtime. The beautiful oasis we see in the old photos is long gone.

We pay these guys and gals that run the city? Of course the developers pay them too :rolleyes:

Martin Pal Jan 27, 2021 5:47 PM

In the photo above the above post, what is that guy doing? (Hiding whatever's at the end of his lanyard?) And holding? (A camera?)

quickstop Jan 27, 2021 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9172269)
In the photo above the above post, what is that guy doing? (Hiding whatever's at the end of his lanyard?) And holding? (A camera?)

In those days, maybe a light meter, since the other hand is a camera

Martin Pal Jan 27, 2021 8:04 PM

^^^
Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9171292)
Moving on down the block... (to be continued)
_________________________________________________________________

After London Fog, to the east we come to 8917 Sunset Blvd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9169156)
The Golden Violin restaurant was at 8917 Sunset Boulevard. From jhgraham.com:
Little Hungary, also known as Little Gypsy, was open here by November 1937, featuring Hungarian food and the music of gypsy violins. :violin:

Though it changed names in 1960, the restaurant retained the same theme as The Golden Violin, owned by Rose Dietch. Dietch went a different direction in 1964, changing the name to The Galaxy, which it remained into 1969.
The article has a couple of photos of Little Hungary also known as Little Gypsy but none of the Golden Violin or The Galaxy.
_______________________________________________________________________________________


Starting with the Little Hungary aka Little Gypsy (opened in 1937) photos:

https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...psy-sunset.jpg https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...ttle-gypsy.jpg jhgraham

Not long ago, this past June, a man named David Carlson commented on the post and wrote: This restaurant also featured two grand pianos. I was one of the pianists there in about 1956. My favorite memory is the night Jean Simmons sat at my elbow at the piano bar and requested I play “Don’t Blame Me” which I gladly did.


Now there's this pretty remarkable video on Getty Media Images from the WPA Film Library. It's dated as 1935 and runs 2 mins. and 40 seconds. It's camera footage traveling west on Sunset Blvd., from just before Clark Street until just past Doheny. Camera is to the north side of Sunset. Early on, the camera will pass the Little Hungary/Little Gypsy restaurant.

https://media.gettyimages.com/videos...eo-id114084750


It starts at Hollywood Press print shop at 8859 Sunset Blvd.

Hollywood Press Print Shop | passes a barber shop and liquor store | Shell Oil billboard | Shell gas station replete with service attendants in white uniforms (this station is there well into the 1960's)

(camera passes Clark Street)

Bank of America (Whisky-a-Gogo) | Rex Eats (steaks and chili) | an unreadable "Agency" | another storefront | Little Hungary restaurant (banner on awning says Gypsy Music) [at 0:40] | several places under the banner of Hampton Shops (Antiques \ Gifts) This is where Hamburger Hamlet will be.

(camera pans by Hilldale Ave. -- as it does, there is a lovely looking house behind the Hampton Shops building, with a two color striped umbrella and nice greenery. Those places in back of this strip of buildings look to become parking lots etc. in the years to follow)

[The above portion is of the block of buildings I've been writing about, but the rest of the video is worth looking at.)

[at 1:00] Building (still there) with hard to read lettering. One can make out DARRIN and below left of that words which I first thought said Please Bitch. Heh! Can't really make out the words. | billboard promoting Durling column in the L.A. Examiner | vacant lots | (on a hill) a billboard that says "Merry Christmas food shopping begins at the Farmer's Market W. 3rd & Fairfax/set back from the billboard an unnamed building | another vacant lot | bungalow office [at 1:25] | steak house restaurant (can't read name) | The Westside Market | Mermaid Club (what do you suppose is all that on the left of the building when we pass by?) | unreadable house looking building (name is on the front, one word might be music) a lot of rocks on the property

(camera pans by Wetherly Dr.)

Cafe La Maze | Bellows and Company | Prince Rare Books | Doheny Smoke Shop | Flower Fair | Bit of Sweden restaurant | Nori ? | Karole's Salon of Beauty | KLA Publications

(camera pans by Doheny Drive [at 2:15])

Maxime's | Contempo | Landi-Kennell Corp. | Villa Nova

_________________________________________________________________

In 1960 the Little Hungary/Little Gypsy restaurant kept the same theme, but changed names to The Golden Violin.

This source says: In 1960 [the space] became “The Golden Violin”, later in 1960 officially changing the name to “Paginini’s Golden Violin”. The interior had ivory and gold walls and with the sound of violin music as the diners ate. According to a review of the restaurant in 1960, the ambiance was very tasteful and needed in West Hollywood, but the service wasn't very good. Between 1960-1964, the owner, Rose Deitch, closed the restaurant and reopened it as the Galaxy, dedicated to dancing and live entertainment.

I can't locate anything with the name Paginini's Golden Violin nor where the above found it's source.

There's a small photo that shows the restaurants "golden" sign. Hard to see, but it's near the telephone pole:

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...c8&oe=6035CA6E

It keeps surprising me these clubs were also restaurants.
vvvvvv..........
Here's a November 1964 ad for The Galaxy, the year it opened: https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f1&oe=60349513findglocal..........The Twist and Watusi anyone?

Photos featuring The Galaxy...these are from the London Fog Facebook Page:

This photo is from the back over of Arthur Blessitt's LP: "Soul Session at His Place", released in 1969.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6f&oe=60365A02

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...ec&oe=603825B6


The following photo was taken from the film Mondo Freudo, 1966. Footage from it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESz...ature=youtu.be

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...db&oe=60376C6F

Notice on the right above next door to The Galaxy it says Galaxy Overflow. The London Fog Facebook site administrator asked: "I have been getting questions about the interior, plus how the "overflow" worked. I'm stumped! Anyone?"

One person answered about the interior of the Galaxy, but didn't answer about how the "overflow" worked, so we're still stumped: "When you entered the Galaxy the stage was on the opposite wall. The bar was on the right and a small dance floor in the middle of the room. On the left wall were booths with a mirrored wall behind them. Believe tables and chairs were also around the dance floor. At the end of the bar there was an opening to a room that had tables and chairs. Rose Deitch sure booked some great acts there. I remember seeing Little Richard and Ike and Tine Turner."

Whether true or not, someone else posited that the "Overflow" might have been used more when the police were cracking down on underage patrons in the clubs and a certain signal of some sort would tell them to get into the Overlflow room. Remember the age back then was 21 to buy alcohol and enter bars. :shrug:

And there's the London Fog photo on my previous post HERE that shows a great color view of The Galaxy and the Galaxy Overflow next door. Is that a Mustang "truck" parked out front behind, I think, the Chevy Impala? Did Mustang make pick-up trucks? At the link, there's also a photo of a Galaxy sidewalk view behind the Opera House awning.

This particular website:
https://www.setlist.fm/venue/galaxy-...-73d39285.html
...has info that says The Galaxy "Later became the Thelma Theater". Open November 12, 1969 - 1970. Also known as The Thelma, Thelma, Thelma Club.

Moving on down the block... (to be continued)

Bristolian Jan 27, 2021 8:43 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9172437)
And there's the London Fog photo on my previous post HERE that shows a great color view of The Galaxy and the Galaxy Overflow next door. Is that a Mustang "truck" parked out front behind, I think, the Chevy Impala? Did Mustang make pick-up trucks? There's also a Galaxy sidewalk view behind the Opera House awning.

Ranchero Mustang?

That is a Mustang parked behind a couple of Thunderbirds. It does look like it has a pickup bed but I believe it's just a fastback Mustang and some sort of optical illusion. Ford never made a truck version of the Mustang.

HossC Jan 27, 2021 9:11 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9171292)

London Fog, 8919 Sunset Blvd.
Despite it's notoriety, it opened in 1965 and closed in 1966.

http://www.doorshistory.com/londonfogsunset.jpgDoorsHistory

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9172437)

Is that a Mustang "truck" parked out front behind, I think, the Chevy Impala? Did Mustang make pick-up trucks?

Ford themselves never made a truck version of the Mustang, but, in 1966, Beverly Hills Ford made 50 examples of a car they called the "Mustero". They were priced well above a standard Mustang, but they've held their value well.

Video Link


I don't know if Martin Pal's picture above shows one of these rare cars, or if it's just a regular Mustang caught at an odd angle.

Martin Pal Jan 27, 2021 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9172499)
...in 1966, Beverly Hills Ford made 50 examples of a car they called the "Mustero". They were priced well above a standard Mustang, but they've held their value well.

I don't know if Martin Pal's picture above shows one of these rare cars, or if it's just a regular Mustang caught at an odd angle.

Well, it's the right year [1966] and location [near Beverly Hills]! :fingerscrossed:

Godzilla Jan 28, 2021 1:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5824661)


Distantly related to J.J.Newberrys is its cousin, Britt's Department Store.

Newberrys had a store located on Third Street across from the Farmer's Market possibly in the '50s and '60s. 6314 W 3rd Street. According to the '73 Directory, next door at 6310 W. 3rd Street was Britts Department Store. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...rch_doc=brittsBritts was operated by parent company, JJ Newberry & Co. This building is recognizable today as "KMart." (JJNewberry once worked for Kresge, from which sprang KMArt.)

There is some slight difference of opinion regarding the history of this building since two people claiming familiarity with the building 30 years ago volunteered that the same building was operated as a private Hospital. As evidence, they claimed that the top floor "allegedly" retains the look of a large maternity ward, including related- equipment(?). Having never seen the place, I have no idea if any of this true.




Quote:

Attention Kmart Shoppers! Today we are continuing our series of posts on California locations with a two level Kmart store in the Los Angeles area.

This Kmart store is an 135,000 square foot, two floor store located on the busy West 3rd Street in Los Angeles. It was originally built as a Britt's Department Store in 1963, which was a subsidiary of the JJ Newberry company. After the JJ Newberry company decided to phase out and close their Britt's locations, Kmart stepped in and did an extensive remodel of the store and opened for business on October 5, 1978. One thing to note is that according to news articles when the building was a Britt's, it was a three level store but now in it's current form it's a two level store. When you view the side of the store in Google street view, you can see the windows that are located on third floor level. The third level is completely closed off since it became a Kmart. It is unknown what the third level is used for but it could be a storage and stock area now or just empty. I am unsure how this third level is accessed as there is no escalator that leads up to it. https://www.kmartworld.com/2017/
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p0L2sjByX...600/britts.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p0L2sjByX...600/britts.jpg






https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cxzrNO3B6...martbritts.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cxzrNO3B6...martbritts.jpg







https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qzTIbEZRT..._141222rev.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qzTIbEZRT..._141222rev.jpg




https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OXbkNrp_2...722_142058.jpghttps://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OXbkNrp_2...722_142058.jpg

Noir_Noir Jan 28, 2021 2:23 AM

Deleted Post.


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:43 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.