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3940dxer Dec 14, 2011 3:17 PM

[QUOTE=3940dxer;5478855]
Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4665453)
And some Then and Nows:

1930s: 6000 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood. I'm surprised to learn this used to be a market.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/638...tblvd1930s.jpg
USC archive

2010: 6000 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood. This is now part of the Sunset Gower Studios, I think.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5649/p1090617.jpg
Photo by Me

Nope, 6000 Sunset was not part of Sunset Gower Studios - but this building has a very unique and interesting history!

Between the 1960's and the 1980's, this was the "Western" part of United/Western Studios (United was down the street, at 6050.) The studios were built by Bill Putnam and were the home to many, many famous recordings. I know all about this building, because I worked there from 1977 to 1981.

What was recorded at Western? Many (if not most) of the hits by the Beach Boys, The Mamas And Papas, Jan & Dean, Johnny Rivers, Frank and Nancy Sinatra, Dean Martin, Rick Nelson, Ray Charles, and many many more. Along with Capital, A&M, and Radio Recorders, this was one of the most famous of the "old Hollywood" sound studios. Hundreds and hundreds of hits were recorded there.

I personally was in the control room of Studio 1 (behind the center produce section!) when Mr. Sinatra recorded "New York, New York". In that building I also worked on sessions with Santana, Jonathan Winters, Abba, Ringo Starr, Dolly Parton, Joe Cocker, The Beach Boys, Herbie Hancock, Barbra Streisand, and dozens more. Needless to say it was a very exciting time in my life!

We had always heard that the building had once been a grocery store and at least two of the echo chambers resembled meat lockers or refrigerated rooms. Now I know that it was true!

I have much info about United/Western on my own web site, at http://studioelectronics.biz/URCNewsletter-13.html

In the 1980's United/Western was sold and became Ocean Way Recording. The 6050 Building is Still Ocean Way but 6000 changed hands again, and then fell into disrepair about 10 years ago. The facility came close to being demolished but was sold at auction to EastWest Studios, and has undergone an incredible multi million dollar renovation - design by Philippe Starck. Despite the plain facade, this new facility is one of the finest and most visually stunning studios in the world.

I did quite a double take, seeing the old photo from the 1930's! sopas_ej, thank you so much for posting it.

Now, it was also said that 6000 Sunset was a movie or stage theater in the 40's or 50's. Does anyone have a photo, or info about that incarnation of this famous building?

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset_Ernie.Ford.jpg
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ernie...y8cSFAg&zoom=1

3940dxer Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM

Bill Putnam, sound engineer extraordinaire and founder of United/Western (and my one time boss) engineers a session at 6000 Sunset. Mr. Putnam recorded Frank and Nancy Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., and many others in this room.

Can anyone identify the liquor bottle in the background?

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/610_MT.2.jpg
http://www.uaudio.com/about/our-story

3940dxer Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM

All from my personal collection:


Dean Martin listens to playback of a Christmas album at 6000 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Dean.jpg


Bing Crosby in session at 6050 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Bing.jpg


Frank Sinatra at 6000 Sunset

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Sinatra.jpg



Liza Minelli at 6000 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Liza.jpg



Sammy Davis Jr. clowning around at 6000 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Sammy.jpg



Johnny Mathis at 6000 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Mathis.jpg

GaylordWilshire Dec 14, 2011 7:54 PM

Which leads us to Peggy Lee...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5516235)
Sammy Davis Jr. clowning around at 6000 Sunset

http://dkse.net/david/6000.Sunset/6000.Sammy.jpg



Stella Castellucci was a native of L.A. and a harpist of renown--

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpgHarp in L.A.

A bit of bio: "Stella Castellucci, a native of Los Angeles, CA, is part of a musical family tradtion. Her father, Louis Castellucci, was a member of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra and [descended] from a family of Italian symphonic bandmasters.... Stella began in radio as staff musician for the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) in Hollywood, CA, at the age of 19. Afterwhich, she entered an eight year musical relationship with famed singer and actress, Miss Peggy Lee, where she played harp in jazz sextets and quintets that backed Miss Lee during tours throughout the US." (via Harp in L.A.)

ethereal_reality Dec 14, 2011 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5515949)
I am still amazed that Los Angeles has let so much architectural magnificence go to seed. It would be the equivalent of New Orleans (where I grew up) letting go of the Garden District and the entire length of St. Charles Avenue--but being bigger, L.A. has lost even more. Not that I don't understand the economics, demographics, and geographics behind the abandonment, but I'm still staggered. Windsor Hills, Hancock Park, Bel-Air and even Beverly Hills have their charms, but one can only imagine the mature magnificence of these old Los Angeles neighborhoods were they as intact as they were in their heydays.


A perfect example of what you're talking about Gaylord_Wilshire is the Fitzgerald House at 3115 W. Adams Street built in 1903.
This is a tuck pointers' wet dream.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/223...house3115w.jpg
google street view




http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9...househisto.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fi...s_Angeles).jpg




You know a house is in trouble when an owner can't afford to properly repair the windows. The beautiful arched window has been replaced by two small windows. What to do about the rest of the window? Just fill it in with cheap paneling.

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/8...housewindo.jpg
detail



below: Aerial view of the Fitzgerald House showing an apartment building next door to the west and an empty lot to the east
which is now a part of the Fitzgerald property.


http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7...raldaerial.jpg


below: The apartment building next door is late50s/early 60s kitsch.
It is extremely close to the Fitzgerald and obviously brings down the value of the house.

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3...aerialneig.jpg
google street view

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In the aerial above, the house with the diagonal sidewalk at 25th St. and Arlington Ave. was used as the Fishers' Home in 'Six Feet Under'.
You can glimpse the roof of the Fitzgerald House on the left.


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/367...aerialneig.jpg
google street view

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Ninja55 Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6...eceb4696_z.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6...eceb4696_z.jpg

Not sure if Gracie ever finished the Castle in the Sky, but here she is partying hard with who else.........Bert Rovere!

rbpjr Dec 14, 2011 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;5516640]A perfect example of what you're talking about Gaylord_Wilshire is the Fitzgerald House at 3115 W. Adams Street built in 1903.
This is a tuck pointers' wet dream...

I lived in apartment house just east of the empty lot on the corner of Arlington and West Adams...there was at that time, 1951, a wonderful old mansion where the empty lot is today...perhaps there is a picture of it in the archives. I remember wondering who lived there as the only folks I ever saw was a young man who would mow the lawn and tend the gardens.

so-cal-bear Dec 14, 2011 10:38 PM

House on Adams Blvd
 
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GaylordWilshire Dec 14, 2011 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5516640)
A perfect example of what you're talking about Gaylord_Wilshire is the Fitzgerald House at 3115 W. Adams Street built in 1903.

Not to mention (but I will) that the Fitzgerald house was design by Samuel and Joseph Cather Newsom (or just Joseph, depending on the source), who also did Bunker Hill's Bradbury house and the Sessions house in Angelino Heights, among many other buildings.

The property to the east of the house wasn't always part of its lot--on it once stood a house belonging to members of the Joughin family, who owned large acreage in the area. The Fitzgerald house sat on a part of the Joughin tract. The corner steps and stone wall belonged to the original corner house; you'll notice that it doesn't extend past the original east property line of the Fitzgerald house.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

GaylordWilshire Dec 15, 2011 12:24 AM

Fitzgerald and crime on Adams Street
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...aldMAINLAT.jpgLAT
James T. Fitzgerald of the Fitzgerald Music Company moved into 3115 West Adams (then numbered 2315) sometime after July 3, 1904, which is when the above appeared in the Times. Within a few years Fitzgerald moved to South Pasadena, only to return in 1911 to the northwest corner of Adams and Western when he bought the Neustadt house (2445 S Western Ave)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...23151final.jpgLAT November 11, 1907


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

More history of 3115: http://articles.latimes.com/2004/nov...cal/me-manor19

ethereal_reality Dec 15, 2011 4:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbpjr (Post 5516730)
I lived in apartment house just east of the empty lot on the corner of Arlington and West Adams...there was at that time, 1951, a wonderful old mansion where the empty lot is today...perhaps there is a picture of it in the archives. I remember wondering who lived there as the only folks I ever saw was a young man who would mow the lawn and tend the gardens.

I've searched everywhere for a photograph of the mansion that once stood at the northwest corner Adams and Arlington but have always come up empty. :(

Today Gaylord_Wilshire mentioned that the tract was owned by the Joughin family.
Hopefully this clue will lead us to a photograph of the elusive manor. -fingers crossed-

citywatch Dec 15, 2011 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5517200)
I've searched everywhere for a photograph of the mansion that once stood at the northwest corner Adams and Arlington but have always come up empty. :(

ethereal, I don't know about the NW corner of adams & arlington, but there once was a well known mansion that stood on the SW corner of that intersection....

http://www.westadamsheritage.org/ima...ds_mansion.jpg
westadamsheritage.org

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ewpark/cm1.jpg
westadamsheritage.org

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ewpark/cm2.jpg
westadamsheritage.org

^ if that's the house you were thinking of, then, yes, for some reason there are almost no really good pics of it, & nothing of it in the usc digital library. that's surprising cuz it was one of the most impressive looking mansions in the adams section of LA. Its north & south sides had white columned porticos, sort of like a White House of LA. The LA unified school dist tore it down over 30 yrs ago in a notorious case of incompetency & negligence.

GaylordWilshire Dec 15, 2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5013977)
The Childs house, which once stood at 3100 West Adams:
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061802.jpgLAPL
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061844.jpgLAPL
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061845.jpgLAPL
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061846.jpgLAPL


As with many demolished houses in West Adams, there is a little bit left:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_zXN_GwdMYMo/TQ...20521%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View
The Childs wall along Adams--it once had a corner entrance with steps (second Childs photo above),
almost identical to that which survives across Adams at the site of yet another demolished house on
the boulevard:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zXN_GwdMYMo/TL...82819%20AM.jpgGoogle Strteet View
The corner lot in this shot is apparently now part of the property of the Fitzgerald house, seen at left.
The whole corner has been on the market for $1.9 million for several years. I haven't yet found out what
house once stood on the corner--whatever it was would have been better than an empty lot, of course,
but an empty lot would be preferable to what atrocity I fear may come.


Joughins were listed at 3101 W Adams Street in 1909, 1915 and 1923 but then not in the 1926 CD or after; other
family members built or moved to a house or were for some reason listed at 2320 West 25th Street, which backed
up to 3101 W. Adams (never have been sure why Adams is numbered differently from the street one block north).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...00/joughin.jpgGoogle Street View
2320 West 25th Street; the Auguste Marquis/Fisher & Sons funeral parlor (2302) is at left.

Top four photos in quote were via LAPL

Derek Dec 15, 2011 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4406558)
Here's another one, Ralph's Westwood.


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2...hswestwood.jpg
julie wilson


I know this is a really old post, but that grocery store is beautiful! Why can't they still be like this today?!

GaylordWilshire Dec 15, 2011 8:38 PM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026100.jpgLAPL
Harvard Hall (left) and Rugby Hall at the original Harvard School campus, Western at Venice, Los Angeles

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026099.jpgLAPL

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026101.jpgLAPL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k...usenlarged.jpgHarvard-Westlake School


Per the Harvard-Westlake site, some history:

"Harvard School, a military school with 42 boys, was established in 1900 by Grenville C. Emery in a barley field at what is now the corner of Western Avenue and Venice Boulevard in Los Angeles. Mr. Emery received permission from Charles W. Eliot, Harvard University President, to use the Harvard name.

"In 1911, Harvard School became a non-profit corporation when Mr. Emery transferred ownership to the Episcopal Church. By the mid 1920’s Harvard had outgrown its original campus. A plan to reestablish the school on a site near Westwood was abandoned because of the worsening Depression. With a $25,000 loan for down payment by aviation pioneer Donald W. Douglas, founder of Douglas Aircraft Company, the school moved to the defunct Hollywood Country Club on Coldwater Canyon in 1937 and became an independent, self-governing school.

"The end of the ’60s saw dramatic changes in Harvard School. Boarding was discontinued and military training was dropped. In 1969, Christopher Berrisford became Harvard School’s first lay headmaster since Mr. Emery, and its enrollment surpassed 800 by 1987 when Thomas C. Hudnut became Headmaster.

..."In October 1989, the Boards of Trustees of the two schools agreed to merge the schools with Mr. Hudnut named as Harvard-Westlake’s first Headmaster. Full coeducation began in September 1991, with an enrollment approaching 1600, grades 7 - 9 at Westlake's North Faring Road location and grades 10 - 12 at Harvard's Coldwater Canyon campus. In the fall of 2008, an expanded and renovated Middle School campus opened at the North Faring Road location."

Some might say that Grenville Emery's asking Charles Eliot for permission to use the Harvard name as an example of the need of a developing Los Angeles to legitimize itself with East Coast references. I'll never forget a line of Mrs. Smythe (formerly Smith) in that cinema classic Bright Eyes: "I'm very anxious to show [my sister] that we can do things exactly as well out here as they do in the east."

There seems to be no trace of the Harvard campus on Western Avenue.

ethereal_reality Dec 15, 2011 9:59 PM

Aerial view of Page Military Academy at 1201 S. Cochran Avenue. The road running left to right is San Vicente Boulevard.



http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4...cademy1201.jpg
LAPL





below: Aerial dated 1915.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8...1from1915t.jpg
LAPL






below: In this view the administration building is seen facing Cochran Avenue. The street at left is San Vicente Boulevard.
Notice the cadets lined up in the training field.


http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/436...cademyaeri.jpg
LAPL

The Page Military Academy was at this location from 1915 to 1958.



below: In this aerial you can still make out the triangular outline of the military academy.


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/430...cademynowv.jpg
google street view



Today the site is the Villa Vicente Apartment Complex.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4...llavicente.jpg
google street view

ethereal_reality Dec 15, 2011 10:04 PM

This is how I first came across Page Military Academy:

I was searching old photographs for kites and came across this amazing photo.
It seems an annual project at the academy was for the cadets to build an enormous kite.


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8...aryacademy.jpg
LAPL







http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8...aryacademy.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Dec 15, 2011 10:12 PM

......another year and an even LARGER kite...this time to be flown at what looks like Mines Field or perhaps another airport in the vicinity.


below: Assembling the parts.



http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8...stakeapart.jpg
LAPL





....almost there.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8...stakeapart.jpg
LAPL





Viola!


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/911...antickitel.jpg
LAPL





It flies!!

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9...gem1g2lapl.jpg
LAPL

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GaylordWilshire Dec 15, 2011 10:41 PM

:previous:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

Well, if it isn't Felix the Cat...

http://www.originalbombers.com/ob/wp...ol-640x480.jpgOriginal Bombers


For years I told people I knew the man who came up with Fritz the Cat, an acquaintance named Fred Halliday, not knowing that he couldn't have since he was born after Fritz was "born." Turned out he wrote a ribald update of the Fritz character called "The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat" in the '70s.

ethereal_reality Dec 15, 2011 11:00 PM

I remember that 'Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat'. I was just a little boy and couldn't understand how a cartoon could be x-rated.
I believe the ad showed 'Fritz'(a nasty doppelganger of Felix) smoking a big ol' stoagy.....at least I think it was a stoagy. lol

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 10:50 PM

I've gone back through earlier posts of residences and I believe we might have missed this one.


The J.W. Robinson Mansion on Bellevue Ave. at Teed Street

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6...anoronteed.jpg
http://www.stoltzfamily.us/?p=451

I haven't heard of Teed Street before so I got out my trusty 1940s Los Angeles street map and looked and looked and looked.

FINALLY I found it.
Just for fun see how long it takes you to find Teed. :)


http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2...oking4teed.jpg
detail of map

Teed is tiny, only a block or two long.....but now I can't find Bellevue Avenue. :(
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Then I found this very old photograph of the Teed residence on a hill near the Plaza area.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5762/teedresidence.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65653




Then late last night EUREKA! I found these two amazing photographs showing the J.W. Robinson residence on a hilltop in 1900 and 1885.
The view is looking north from Fort Moore Hill. The diagonal road at the bottom is Sunset Boulevard.


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9...sonreslook.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324080190892





below: I believe the road on the right is Castelar Street.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/916...sonreslook.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324075605708


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GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2011 11:00 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

The 1916 Parkinson-designed housing Famous Department Store at the southwest corner of
Broadway and 9th began life as Blackstone's Department Store and French Salon. It was
founded by a brother-in-law of J.W. Robinson of the Boston Dry Goods store, later Robinson's.
Apparently now a loft conversion.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics49/00059086.jpgLAPL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

EDIT e_r: The Robinson connection in this post is a happy coincidence....

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:10 PM

I'm curious G_W...were you aware of a Teed Street?

GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2011 11:28 PM

I'd never heard of Teed Street, and it took me a while to find it in your map. Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5259292)
First of all, my knowledge of the residences of Los Angeles is limited....so keep that in mind.

I found this photograph on ebay of a beautiful house in Los Angeles, circa 1910

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8...ckrindgere.jpg

Later I found out it was the Frederick Rindge residence at 2263 S. Harward.


Just thought I'd add this photograph to our collection.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/807...ceonharvar.jpg
found on ebay last year

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5519615)
I'd never heard of Teed Street, and it took me a while to find it in your map. Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?

I agree Ord Street seems to be the only possibility.

Here is a description of the J.W. Robinson residence at LAPL. It mentions Belle Vue Avenue as well.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/993...escription.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65928

I'm going to look for an older map of that area (much older than my 1940 map)

GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 12:01 AM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...obinson200.jpgLATFeb 7, 1892

Now, where is Rosas Street?

And I love that closeup of the Rindge house....

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5519651)
Now, where is Rosas Street?


The plot thickens. :)

so-cal-bear Dec 17, 2011 1:10 AM

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GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 1:36 AM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520PM.bmp.jpgProducers Library

Black and white is perfect for film noir, but color makes footage of old Los Angeles all the more accessible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDRv...el_video_title

rick m Dec 17, 2011 4:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5519634)
I agree Ord Street seems to be the only possibility.

Here is a description of the J.W. Robinson residence at LAPL. It mentions Belle Vue Avenue as well.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/993...escription.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65928

I'm going to look for an older map of that area (much older than my 1940 map)

Guys-- my 1905 reconstructed Sanborn map has this mansion at Teed St.- it'll be on the microfiche version- Teed had a position @ CityHall- can't exactly recall it here tho. The mansion got a major redo by the Edgemont family -who later donated it to become a girls academy

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by so-cal-bear (Post 5519724)
Wow! You found Teed St but not Bellevue? You have better eyes than I do. Well, I cheated a bit, Bellevue sounded familiar. And it should, I had business that took me there last week. That street Bellevue is weird! It turns left and right a lot. I took the liberty to highlight Bellevue and included a new Google map image of it highlited.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6...3816aae5_b.jpg

Thanks for highlighting Bellevue for us so-cal-bear.
I agree that Bellevue has many twists and turns but it never comes close to Teed Street. That's the conundrum.

fmmod Dec 17, 2011 9:54 AM

The ruins of this never-finished castle are - I believe - still standing in the Hollywood Hills on Pacific View Drive. I've been there but don't know the exact address. 7019 is right next door to the west of the stonework. The place has quite a history. Quite a few owners didn't finish it!


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5515594)
Found on ebay.

An unfinished 'Castle-in-the Sky' overlooking Cahuenga Pass.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/469...rhollywood.jpg




http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8...stlepass1r.jpg

Has anyone heard of this place before?

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GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 2:07 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F...sonford250.jpgLAPL

It seems that the Robinsons moved on from Teed Street in time for Julia S. Ford to remodel the house in even higher Victorian fashion. (In my brief pokings around for this post I haven't seen any information on the Edgemonts or girls' school mentioned by rickm, but maybe that came later. Perhaps Rick can give us some more info.)

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061643.jpg
Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

As for Teed, he seems to have been a ubiquitous city politician, serving in a number of capacities in the '80s and '90s including as city clerk and president of the city council. The name finally struck a bell--in my research for http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspot.com/ I remembered reference to a Teed house just at the end of what is now called variously St. James Park West or St. James Place, which, at any rate, runs directly toward a house at 2365 Scarff Street built by Freeman G. Teed in 1893. In addition to his civic duties, Teed was also apparently something of a real estate specualtor. The house we see behind the prolific vegetation there today--now L.A. Historic-Cultural Monument No. 457--is an enlargement of his original cottage by Mrs. Elizabeth Wallace:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520AM.bmp.jpgCDNC Los Angeles Herald, March 12, 1905

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520AM.bmp.jpgWikipedia

3940dxer Dec 17, 2011 4:46 PM

Gracie's Castle
 
The address was 7013 Pacific View Drive


L.A. Times Jan. 7, 1961
http://wwww.dkse.net/david/castle.gracie5.jpg

3940dxer Dec 17, 2011 5:33 PM

Looks like there was, at least, an indirect family connection...

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Clara.Clemens.jpg
L.A. Times Feb. 3, 1933

sopas ej Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM

Remnants of the old unfinished castle still exist:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4602/picture3md.png
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5520058)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061643.jpg
Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

You saved me some embarrassment G_W. This was going to be my next post but I thought it was an entirely different house.

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That google aerial view of the cahuenga castle is so cool. I would love to go traipse around on that property.

Also good job on finding that article on the castle 3940dxer.

GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 9:48 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L.../streetcar.jpgVintage Los Angeles
East First St and Ditman Ave, December 1957


So wan 54 years later... even the vehicles.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View
The Veiga-Robison Mortuary at left later moved to 5353 East Beverly Blvd,
where it remained until recently.

FredH Dec 17, 2011 11:30 PM

Re: The J.W. Robinson Residence
 
ethereal_reality:

Am I all screwed up :koko: (nothing out of the ordinary) or is this house...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg403...jpg&res=medium
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324080190892

...sitting up by the site of the Clover Trailer Park from Cry Danger?

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg4/s...jpg&res=medium
Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

ethereal_reality Dec 18, 2011 12:05 AM

Question posed by FredH.

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9131/teed2fredh.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9...isteedhill.jpg



:previous: Hmmmm....VERY interesting FredH..
I don't see which house you're talking about in the trailer court photo
BUT....you're right, this could be the same hill if we're looking east down Ord Street.
I believe that is the Post Office Terminal Annex just above the Clover Trailer Park sign.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9...lannexlapl.jpg
lapl

below: The view east down Ord Street notice the Post Office annex in the distance.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5...astdownord.jpg
google street view




below: Looking west on Ord Street from about Hill St.
I believe the J.W. Robinson mansion would have been at the top of the hill and to the left (over by that huge apartment building).


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/24/...estupordst.jpg
google street view


I just took it for granted that the hill used in Cry Danger was Bunker Hill.

If you are indeed correct...you deserve a medal FredH. :)



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FredH Dec 18, 2011 1:06 AM

:previous:

In Cry Danger they drove up Sunset (now Cesar Chavez) and turned right on N. Hill Place. The trailer park was maybe 500 feet up the road, on the right. It sat right above Ord Street in Chinatown.

What I meant in my last post was that the J.W. Robinson mansion looks like it may have been in about the same location as the Clover Trailer Park was 40 years or so later.

Clover Trailer Park was located in the highlighted area

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6290/trailernq.jpg
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Dec 18, 2011 1:23 AM

OK I see what you meant FredH.
I haven't seen 'Cry Danger' so I didn't realize you were able to track their movement to the trailer court.
You are indeed correct about the location of the Robinson Mansion.

Am I the only one that thought the Clover Trailer Park was on Bunker Hill? I admit I can be slow at times. :)

ethereal_reality Dec 18, 2011 2:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5519615)
Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?


The J.W. Robinson residence on Teed Street near Bellevue Avenue.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2892/teedst2.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3762/teedstoltzf2.jpg
http://www.stoltzfamily.us/?p=451



G_W, I finally found a map (1899) that shows Bellevue Avenue intersecting N. Broadway as mentioned in the Stoltz Family blog (see above)


http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8...ap1899deta.jpg
1899 map detail




below: If you follow the tracks Bellevue Avenue is Sunset Boulevard.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9...eetmap1899.jpg
1899 map/source unknown. found on an old CD

But now that we have placed Bellevue Avenue in the area of the J.W. Robinson Mansion we have lost Teed Street. :(
So where is Teed?? It looks as if it was replaced by Yale Street or that slightly curved section of Hill Street.


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ethereal_reality Dec 18, 2011 3:08 AM

One more interesting thing about Teed Street before I move on to another subject.

Teed Street is missing on Google Street Views....so I was quite surprised to see it on my new street map of L.A.


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/939...existscopy.jpg
The Thomas Guide

FredH Dec 18, 2011 5:28 AM

Teed Street
 
:previous:

Now, that is really strange. According to your map, Teed Street should be between N. Hill Place and Hill Street

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4148/teedq.jpg
Google Maps

It should go from Cesar Chavez to Ord Street between those buildings. Obviously, it is not there.

At any rate, It seems that the J.W. Robinson mansion was up in that area somewhere.

:shrug:

3940dxer Dec 18, 2011 5:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5286873)
There have been several 'atomic' glow photos posted earlier in the thread. Here are two photographs I don't remember seeing before.

below: The bright flash of a Nevada test reaches Los Angeles, circa 1955.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/385...5ftmoorehi.jpg
uscdl


I'm pretty sure this article was about that same test...

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Nuclear.test.2.jpg
L.A. Times May 8, 1955

rick m Dec 18, 2011 5:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5520058)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F...sonford250.jpgLAPL

It seems that the Robinsons moved on from Teed Street in time for Julia S. Ford to remodel the house in even higher Victorian fashion. (In my brief pokings around for this post I haven't seen any information on the Edgemonts or girls' school mentioned by rickm, but maybe that came later. Perhaps Rick can give us some more info.)

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061643.jpg
Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

As for Teed, he seems to have been a ubiquitous city politician, serving in a number of capacities in the '80s and '90s including as city clerk and president of the city council. The name finally struck a bell--in my research for http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspot.com/ I remembered reference to a Teed house just at the end of what is now called variously St. James Park West or St. James Place, which, at any rate, runs directly toward a house at 2365 Scarff Street built by Freeman G. Teed in 1893. In addition to his civic duties, Teed was also apparently something of a real estate specualtor. The house we see behind the prolific vegetation there today--now L.A. Historic-Cultural Monument No. 457--is an enlargement of his original cottage by Mrs. Elizabeth Wallace:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520AM.bmp.jpgCDNC Los Angeles Herald, March 12, 1905

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520AM.bmp.jpgWikipedia

The Scarff St. Teed house fully cleaned/painted this last month with all trees neatly trimmed and sod laid down-it is 3 lots above where I volunteer Saturdays @ OneArchives - The Ford version of the home was called the Edgemont at some stage (or when the academy existed?)- When they donated the property to the church the house was razed and a blocky-style girls academy replaced it- Can be found sketched on the WPA rendered maps of the late 30s Also should mention that at Sunset and No.Hill corner adjacent to the estate sat the creepy apartments of the radiation mutilated man in Kiss Me Deadly - in the 50s photos of amateur shutterbug album held @LAPL Rare Books this was referred to as "Mrs.Johnson's apts"

GaylordWilshire Dec 18, 2011 3:52 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAPL

malumot Dec 18, 2011 6:24 PM

1899 Map
 
That's a stunner, ER

Consider this: All the street names were hand-lettered by the cartographers.

HAND LETTERED!

Check out the street at the extreme upper-left, radiating from "SISTERS HOSPITAL" ----

"BEAURY" ??

And a couple blocks east and south of that:

"FUGUEROA".

----Maybe our cartographer had a few too many Green Rivers with Schlitz chasers the night before when he got to that part of the map. LOL

:cool:


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5520640)



G_W, I finally found a map (1899) that shows Bellevue Avenue intersecting N. Broadway as mentioned in the Stoltz Family blog (see above)


http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8...ap1899deta.jpg
1899 map detail




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