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Bristolian Jul 21, 2020 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987604)

hmmm. . .Huntington Palisades? ......:shrug:
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So the Huntingtons were able to hold onto the Beach, the Park and the Library but the Palisades got away?

ethereal_reality Jul 21, 2020 4:22 PM

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Excellent follow-up post on Ciro's, Martin Pal.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin_Pal

The small building in the background is obviously what stood on the empty lot as seen the eBay slide. ...Here



If I were to wager a guess that this was building a little real estate office.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpg
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Does anyone know for sure what was in this little white building?



M P, I loved the wallpaper discovery! I wasn't aware that Ciro's had a basement.

Here's a bit of folk lore.

Why was/is one area of the club named 'The Belly Room'?

"The Comedy Store has multiple showrooms, including the main stage and a space known as the Belly Room. Though nothing online explains the name for the upstairs area, general manager Jody Barton said it may have something to do with the back-alley abortions performed on pregnant prostitutes during the building’s time as a club."


The basement.

"A popular stand-up comedy club on Sunset Boulevard, the establishment is haunted by a grim history. Before becoming The Comedy Store in the 1970s, the building was a Mafia-controlled nightclub called Ciro’s. The basement, which has since been renovated, was supposedly used to torture and kill those who posed a threat to the secrecy of the Mafia."

Both quotes from the Daily Bruin



Rediscovered wallpaper.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/TpGW5p.jpg

M P, your link to the other wallpaper photos doesn't work.
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HossC Jul 21, 2020 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)

If I were to wager a guess that this was building a little real estate office.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpg
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Does anyone know for sure what was in this little white building?

I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL

ethereal_reality Jul 21, 2020 8:36 PM

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:previous: Thanks Hoss!


I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/SnGtbw.jpg
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You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.


I tried to find information on MKM Motion Pictures Productions Inc. but came up empty.

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odinthor Jul 21, 2020 9:34 PM

:previous:

And meantime while we look into the M K M house's story, I became interested in li'l 8417 Sunset, sitting forlornly with its additional "1/2" on its single line between the other, multi-line, addresses on Hoss's list. But Research didn't bring me much:


https://i.postimg.cc/fR5cXXbc/8417-S...LAT-26-5-2.jpg
LA Times, May 2, 1926


https://i.postimg.cc/FKRjxRf2/8417-Sunet-LAT-60-4-8.jpg
LA Times, April 6, 1960

So 8417 went from being a "palatial home" to being where cocktail waitresses lodged (no disrespect to cocktail waitresses intended).

HossC Jul 21, 2020 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8988053)

I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/SnGtbw.jpg
detail

You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.

Due to the positioning of the letters in the lower left corner of the sign, I think the shadows may be painted on to give the illusion of depth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8988053)

I tried to find information Productions Inc. but came up empty.

This is all I found on MKM Motion Pictures. It's a full page advert from The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954. Although based in Arizona, there's a Hollywood address at 8556 Hillside Avenue - just up the hill from 8411 Sunset. The 1956 CD has the HO 9-5110 number listed to Dave Greene in apt 5 at 6052 Romaine Street.

I looked up the careers of John Bromfield and Chinook the Wonder Dog, both of whom were big in the '50s. I also found a couple of passing mentions of Lea Knox Marlow, but nothing on the proposed TV show, 'Peter Angel'.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
archive.org

Snix Jul 21, 2020 10:53 PM

Here is more info on MKM Motion Pictures 8411 Sunset Blvd. and Lea Knox Marlow.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1c6391b1_b.jpg

Film Bulletin
May 18, 1953

This is Lea Knox Marlow as seen in the 1956 edition of the Film Daily Yearbook of Motion Pictures
Courtesy Bison Archives

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...893ffe19_k.jpg

and some background on one of her proposed TV show "Peter Angel" starring Chinook, the wonder dog.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3905a255_k.jpg
The Radio Annual, 1954


MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc.
Laveen, Arizona
In Preparation on New Television Series
"PETER ANGEL"
The Gripping Adventures of a Wandering Man of God and his dog
Direction, Story and Screen Play
by
LEA KNOX MARLOW

Produced by
DON KEITH

Starring
JOHN BROMFIELD
and
Chinook
(Academy Award Winner Wonder Dog)

All Television Supervision by
CARL HUGHES CONS

All rights and privileges of use of title and story "Peter Angel"
Exclusive property of

MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc

Address all communications to:

L K. MARLOW
Hollywood Representative
8556 Hillside Ave., Hollywood, Calif.
Phone: HOllywood 9-5110

Full text of "The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954"

https://archive.org/stream/radioannu...0radi_djvu.txt



Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8987922)
I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL


nadeau Jul 21, 2020 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8987621)
So the Huntingtons were able to hold onto the Beach, the Park and the Library but the Palisades got away?

That palisade has eroded substantially over the years. If you compare current Google Maps to the aerial, it’s quite a time suck to analyze the differences. Maybe the Huntington part just fell off the edge.

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 1:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8986696)
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Take a look at this amazing amateur slide of Circo's c.1950s

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/b2U7jU.jpg
eBay
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8986780)
We've seen this 1949 photo before:

https://waterandpower.org/C%20Histor...Strip_1949.jpgCalisphere
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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)
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https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...fa&oe=5F39A603
Facebook


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Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8987922)
I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL
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I was trying to figure out possible dates for the slide E_R posted and then the color one that shows Ciro's being painted.

First, in the 1949 view of Sunset Blvd. above, am I correct that the "M K M" (to be) house is there (white or light color) on the hill behind/under those trees?

Also, in the Ciro's photo that shows the "real estate" (8423) house, I was assuming for the longest time that Ciro's, shown being painted, was being painted beige/pink, but then it dawned on me it actually might be being painted brown. Now I'm not sure at all which.

Most all of Ciro's exterior photos I've been looking at online are not dated, nor do most all of them show the "real estate" (8423) house. HossC's photo of the area from July 19, 1957, shows Ciro's, obviously, but I can't really tell what color it is in that photo. (By the way, Ciro's closed in Dec. of 1957.)

Below: I believe this particular photo (only noted as possibly 1955) seems to show the M K M house (to be) with the trees and painted white, and no "real estate" (8423) building yet. CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR LARGE SIZE.

https://i2.wp.com/www.martinturnbull...size=640%2C426Pinterest

This previously seen photo below on NLA does show the "real estate" (8423) building, though it's behind the car. Ciro's color is not the same brown as above...

https://i2.wp.com/www.martinturnbull...trip-1950s.png

... and the sides of the "real estate" (8423) building look to be painted gray, not white as in the picture below:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpgdetail

Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8987745)
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M P, I loved the wallpaper discovery! I wasn't aware that Ciro's had a basement.

Rediscovered wallpaper.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/TpGW5p.jpg

M P, your link to the other wallpaper photos doesn't work.
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E_R the link still works for me. :shrug:

LINK:
Quote:

Besides these two photos, six more shots of the wallpaper HERE
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If not, try this one HERE and scroll down a little.

If that doesn't work, try searching Ciro's Memorabilia Facebook.

Cam330 Jul 22, 2020 4:16 AM

The guy in the 53-55 Vette outside Ciro's sure looks a lot like Bobby Vinton.

riichkay Jul 22, 2020 6:28 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
UCLA archives

A view down Olive St. from just past the Fremont Hotel, 1928.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

There's some major construction underway in the middle of the street.

HossC Jul 22, 2020 9:05 AM

:previous:

We're actually looking down 4th Street with Olive crossing the frame just beyond the Fremont Hotel. Great photo.

HossC Jul 22, 2020 9:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8988330)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JTYtry.jpgdetail

Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.

I can't find any other pictures showing that sign. It was opposite N Olive Drive, so my best guess is that it marked the intersection of Sunset Boulevard and N Olive Drive.

ethereal_reality Jul 22, 2020 6:33 PM

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I have a question. (maybe we've already covered it)

Did Ciro's utilize the old Club Seville building or did they build a completely new building?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yL0iVx.jpg
LIFE

:shrug:

info:

"The first nightspot to occupy this site was Club Seville, opened New Year’s Eve 1935 by 12-31-35 Marcel Lamaze and Al “de Freitas” (Alfred B. Freitas). Both had long associations with Sunset Strip clubs: Freitas had run a previous Club Seville at 8428 Sunset that was raided during Prohibition; LaMaze, lately arrived from Miami by way of New York, would have ties to 9039 Sunset as well as the Clover Club at 8477 Sunset. The highlight of Club Seville was its Crystal Marine Room, featuring a crystal dance floor with subsurface fish, fountains and colored lights."
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The Crystal Marine Room sounds like a real trip. A dance floor with live fish underneath! Am I reading that right?



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Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 6:50 PM

:previous:

E_R, while reading various things about Ciro's the past few days, this is something I read on the Playground to the Stars website: HERE.


Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]

In 1935, the building at 8433 Sunset Blvd. that would later house the Sunset Strip’s Ciro’s was completed. The first tenant was Al De Freitas’ Club Seville, where the gimmick was a dance floor made from sheets of glass over a giant aquarium. But dancing on fish proved not to be popular, and the club closed within a year.

In 1940, six years after he successfully launched Cafe Trocadero down the street in Sunset Plaza, Hollywood Reporter publisher Billy Wilkerson acquired the former Club Seville building, redesigned the interior in his trademark Hollywood style and opened a new Ciro’s in the space on January 31.

Wilkerson created Ciro’s as a “celebrities only” club, but by the summer of 1942 he had lost interest in it. In November, he leased it to Herman Hover, who reconfigured the layout and opened it up to the public as well as the stars. In June, the building was nearly destroyed by fire. It was closed for four months, after which Hover purchased the building from Wilkerson.


See this post about the fire:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35844

HossC Jul 22, 2020 7:19 PM

:previous:

There are three building permits for 8433 Sunset from 1940, all listing the owner as W R Wilkerson:

August 19th - "Enlarging present cafe to make more storage and kitchen space."
September 4th - "Add third floor to existing bldg, install new fire escape."
September 10th - "Enlarging present cafe to make kitchen & storage space - supplementary valuation No increase in size. Add partition."

BTW. The 1940 CD lists 8433 Sunset under 'Restaurants and Lunch Rooms' as "Knew & La Maze".

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 7:50 PM

In 2016, there were some posts concerning a tenant of Ciro's neighbor, the Hacienda Park Apartments aka Coronet Apartments aka Piazza del Sol.

The Hacienda Noir cast of characters.

Cast:
Paul Ivar Wharton
Mrs. W. A. Wharton
William McCauley Howard
N. C. McDermott
Henry E. Bolte
Virginia Bolte

There were newspaper photos of Paul, Henry and Virginia.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35843
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35932
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35933
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35945

I discovered a recent (2019) and more detailed article about this story on WeHoVille, which includes a couple different photos and also one of "William McCauley Howard" (Billy) whom we hadn't seen.

LINK: The Strange Men Murder

This is part of a series of articles, all linked below:

Hacienda Park and the Origins of the Sunset Strip
Part 1. Riviera in the Foothills
Part 2. An All American Tragedy
Part 3. The ‘Strange Men’ Murder
Part 4. Out of the Ashes
Part 5. Coronet Apartments: Villa of Vice?

HossC Jul 22, 2020 8:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8989095)

Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]

Here's a piece about the opening of the original Ciro's on Hollywood Boulevard from Hollywood Filmograph (Jan-Oct 1934):

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...0/LACiros3.jpg
archive.org

Strangely, the only Club New Yorker I could find in Hollywood in the CDs was at 6728 Hollywood Boulevard in the 1936 CD (i.e. two years after the early Ciro's opened). That's the basement of the now-demolished section of the Hotel Christie which was covered in the early pages of NLA.

Martin Pal Jul 22, 2020 8:33 PM

:previous:

Thanks, HossC. The notation that the Hollywood Blvd. Ciro's was "informally part of a chain with the others in London, Paris and Berlin..."

There's this British Pathe reel from 1932 about the London one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5NKL7QqfA

3940dxer Jul 22, 2020 11:43 PM

Hello all. I believe that in the early days this thread someone posted an early photo or two of Nichols Ranch in West Hollywood but I can't find them now. Can anyone point me to that post, or if you know the photos I mean, re-post them? Thanks in advance.

ethereal_reality Jul 23, 2020 6:02 AM

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A bit of a mystery. (mislabeled?)

LAFD Firehouse Inspection, 1956

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/62WAME.jpg
eBay

SUBJECT: A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58 taking a break before inspection.
FILM FORMAT: 35mm.
FILM TYPE: Kodachrome.
MOUNT: 2" x 2", Cardboard, Red Border, written notations.
DATE: Written date - FEBRUARY 1956. Mount is consistent with those used at that time.
WRITTEN NOTATIONS ON MOUNT: See scan. (below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/elb0CI.jpg


"A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58"

But Station 58 wasn't located on Fairfax Avenue. Station 58 was/is located at 1556 S. Robertson Boulevard....Nowhere near Fairfax :shrug:



Possible clue:

There is a swim school down the street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/hB6TbY.jpg
detail





eBay Link

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BillinGlendaleCA Jul 23, 2020 7:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8989681)
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A bit of a mystery. (mislabeled?)

LAFD Firehouse Inspection, 1956

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/62WAME.jpg
eBay

SUBJECT: A 1956 view of Fairfax Avenue and firefighters from the Los Angeles, California Fire Department - Station No. 58 taking a break before inspection.
FILM FORMAT: 35mm.
FILM TYPE: Kodachrome.
MOUNT: 2" x 2", Cardboard, Red Border, written notations.
DATE: Written date - FEBRUARY 1956. Mount is consistent with those used at that time.
WRITTEN NOTATIONS ON MOUNT: See scan. (below)

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It's mislabeled.
Here's your swim school.
https://i.postimg.cc/5NL9yq0X/Annota...-23-002403.jpg

sopas ej Jul 23, 2020 1:28 PM

^^^
Ah yes, the fire station at Robertson and Pickford: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0505...7i16384!8i8192

GaylordWilshire Jul 23, 2020 1:43 PM

:previous:

https://i.postimg.cc/yxxLkXsZ/robert...tation-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/sgjH3twH/dance1-bmp.jpg
LAT 3-9-53


https://i.postimg.cc/mkZ1PNJ4/dancebapt1-bmp.jpg
LAT 7-10-60


By 1961, Joachim Dance was Crest International...

https://i.postimg.cc/PxSrRGVG/dance4crest-bmp.jpg
LAT 2-26-61

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2020 2:57 PM



Has anyone heard of Spectrum 2000? As you can see it was located in a heavily remodeled Ciro's building.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/VdO02o.jpg
links coming


I thought it was an entertainment or media company until I happened upon the ad shown below.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/jHW0R8.jpg
no date



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ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2020 3:10 PM

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& about the same time yesterday I happened upon this Kodak snapshot. .


It's BOSS - 1967..................................................................................................................................Here

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/t6FSLd.jpg
It's possible we have seen this before on nla...........................................

........:previous: Ghislaine Maxwell




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HossC Jul 24, 2020 3:39 PM

:previous:

I found that Spectrum 2000 picture the other day at abcdvdvideo.myshopify.com, but didn't get around to posting it. They date it at 1967. Strangely, it never appears in the CDs (and neither does It's Boss). Here are the listings for 8433 Sunset Boulevard from 1967 to 1973. Note that Ciro's is included even when The Comedy Store first appears in 1973:

1967
Ciros
The Store

1968
Sennes F Enterprises
Ciros
Living Room The
Store The

1969
Sennes F Enterprises
Ciros
Frasen Corp
Living Room The
Store The

1973
Sennes Frank Jr
Ciro's
Comedy Store The

Below is a video dated as both 1967 and 1968. You can see the Spectrum 2000 sign in color at about 42 seconds in. Just before the band at the end, the sign for the recently discussed Haunted House on Hollywood Boulevard can be seen.

Video Link

Martin Pal Jul 24, 2020 5:26 PM

:previous:

This past week I've been trying to figure out the names of the places located at 8433 Sunset Blvd. location after Ciro's closed in 1957 until The Comedy Store from 1972 - present. There's a lot of mis-information online, much of it from random memory.

I found that photo you posted E_R online, too. I'm beginning to think that whomever or whatever the owners of it were, that it was often rented out for periods of time under different names, because nothing seems to have lasted there for very long, 18 months at most from my findings so far, and on at least one occasion it was being shared by two different places...I think. Heh!

I'll post what I have found so far, soon. Thanks for the CD info HossC. That lends credence to my notion that different entities were using it for club space with different names.

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2020 6:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire


This photograph was taken during the same week in July, 1960.

"Louis Riggio, left, accepts some Jehovah's Witnesses literature from Jim Waddington. Girls, left to right, are Deborah Zielinksi, Marcia Waddington and Carol Jack. The religious group is holding an assembly here."......

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/IfxzU4.jpg
calisphere





It took me quite awhile to find the name "Jehovah's Witness" on the posters.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/YWo7q9.jpg
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HossC Jul 24, 2020 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8990938)

This past week I've been trying to figure out the names of the places located at 8433 Sunset Blvd. location after Ciro's closed in 1957 until The Comedy Store from 1972 - present. There's a lot of mis-information online, much of it from random memory.

I found that photo you posted E_R online, too. I'm beginning to think that whomever or whatever the owners of it were, that it was often rented out for periods of time under different names, because nothing seems to have lasted there for very long, 18 months at most from my findings so far, and on at least one occasion it was being shared by two different places...I think. Heh!

I'll post what I have found so far, soon. Thanks for the CD info HossC. That lends credence to my notion that different entities were using it for club space with different names.

This excerpt from an article about Art Laboe in the May 4, 1974 edition of Billboard seems to confirm the ephemeral nature of the tenants of 8433 Sunset in the late-60s.
NB. I've OCR'd the text as the layout wasn't screen-friendly.
Back to the 1960s, Laboe left radio in 1961 because the station he was on at the time (with Alan Freed) went to an all-black format and he felt the record label demanded his full attention.

"Being a disk jockey was my first love," he says, "but the company had grown to a point where it required full attention.

"At one time Larry Finley and I had done an interview show in the lobby of Ciro's, a popular club on the strip. We talked to movie stars like Clark Gable, Tyrone Power, Gary Cooper and so on.

"Anyway, the club had run through a succession of failures and by 1967 was being used primarily for private parties. I went to a New Year's Eve party there that year and decided that I wanted to do something with the club. But I was busy with the label at the time and a group called Dyke & the Blazers, so I temporarily shelved the idea."

In June, 1972, however, Laboe opened Art Laboe's Club. It was launched as an oldies club, open 8:30 p.m. to 2 a.m. weekends, featuring as many as eight acts a night and including a $3.50 admission price with no requirement to buy food or drink once inside.

A house band provided music for continuous dancing, and artists included Ron Holden (now M.C.), Don Julian and the Larks, the Medallions, Coasters, Penguins, Shirley & Lee, Bob B. Sox, Jesse Hill, and Tony Allen.

"I used my name," Laboe says, "because I felt I had a strong local following and I thought a club with my name would do better than a club that simply stressed oldies. Besides, most of the artists do contemporary songs as well as their big hits."

In October, 1972, an upstairs section of the club opened and ever since, Laboe has been broadcasting from 11 p.m. to 1 a.m. weekends over KRTH-FM, an oldies station. He takes dedications just as he did in the old days.

"We don't get the typical Hollywood crowd," he says. "We have a lot of Mexican-Americans, who have been so important to rock in L.A., a lot of kids from the Valley and a generally older crowd, running from about 28 to the mid-30s. If I had to depend on the Hollywood crowd, I'd be out of business."

What is the need for such a club? "People of that era," Laboe says bluntly, "really don't have anywhere else to go. They don't like current hard rock but they don't like Vegas-type material either. We give them the music they want and what we hope is a relaxed atmosphere. Basically, we have found a need and we are try-ing to fill it."

The club holds some 400 people. Liquor and food are served; there is a stage and dance area as well as bars upstairs and down.

The club is used for more than oldies, however. Johnny Rivers has stopped in to play, as have top musi-cians such as Jim Gordon. Dean Parks and Tom Scott as well as comedian Redd Foxx.

Joni Mitchell, Harry Nilsson, Jim Capaldi, Rivers, George Harrison, Richard Perry, Karen Valentine, Patti Boyd and Mickey Dolenz have showed up as customers more than once.

"Nobody bothers them here," Laboe says. "Most of our customers don't know who they are and if they do they let them alone."

In addition, there is a weekly Songwriter's Showcase at the club to spotlight new talent (Thursdays), a good amount of record company parties from firms such as Elektra/Asylum and MGM, parties for movies such as "American Graffitti" and "Let the Goodtimes Roll" and radio station parties.

Laboe has also started a new record label, Now Records, to deal with the contemporary product. One result of this is Ron Holden's soul hit, "Can You Talk." It is Holden's first chart disk since 1960.

Original Sound still issues one LP a year, and starting this year the covers will all be double fold. Old covers will be redone and some cuts will be updated on the older product. The ma-terial is still aggressively merchandised through rackjobbers such as J.L. Marsh and Handleman and chains such as Sears and K-Mart. There is still N and radio advertising.

"K-Mart does an ideal job for us," Laboe says. "They don't place the product in the record department; they put it in the aisles in main sections of the store. We've found that it's not the kids, but the housewives with kids who buy our product. The 24 to 49 age bracket is the one that works best for us."

As for getting the product. Laboe says he still has a lot of masters and that others are no more difficult to purchase than they were 15 years ago. They are simply a bit more ex-pensive because their value is recognized more.

What about the old days? "I think everyone believes they were better and in a way. maybe they were," says Laboe. "I tend to think of carefree summers and more of fun atmosphere. Maybe this is just because this was a very happy time in my life. There were more clubs, people got out more and things just seemed healthier. I still have a lot of people from El Monte come in, and they feel they're seeing an old friend.

"But," he emphasizes, "you can't live in the past. This is why I keep the club going with oldies and contemporary things, market old and contemporary products and have just built a brand new studio. We're thinking of an indefinite run for the club, with all kinds of things going on."

For the moment, Art Laboe seems like someone with the best of both worlds.
A sign for Art Leboe's club appears very briefly at the start of this video called "1970s Sunset Blvd Drive, Hollywood, Old Los Angeles in HD from 35mm".

Video Link


I had planned to post a screengrab, but Photobucket is once again refusing to let me upload anything (it had been working again for nearly a week!).

ETA. After about 20 minutes of trying, I finally got the image to upload!

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ArtLaboes1.jpg
YouTube

Noir_Noir Jul 25, 2020 1:03 AM

:previous:


Some more of Ciro's/8433 Sunset Blvd in the mid-1960's.


In 1965 as Frank Sennes' Ciro's Le Disc.


https://i.imgur.com/SWIjkdL.jpg
oldshowbiz.tumblr.com


The excitement generated by the Byrds residency there that year accelerated the boom in clubs along the Strip.


https://i.imgur.com/bouEshF.jpg
earlyhendrix.com


Unable to acquire a liquor licence the next move in 1966 was to become the 15+ hangout It's Boss.


https://i.imgur.com/VQacyAp.jpg
gettyimages


In April and May of 1967 Ciro's hosted a few shows under the banner of The Kaleidoscope.

This venture was later located in the Earl Carroll Theatre for about six months in 1968.



https://i.imgur.com/EJczdRe.jpg
hubpages.com



Spectrum 2000 had it's official opening on August 17th 1967.


https://i.imgur.com/9rJwod2.jpg
gettyimages


Spectrum 2000 interior on opening night.

https://i.imgur.com/N8To3Vq.jpg
gettyimages



Poster for New Year's Eve's Mad Mod Party at Spectrum 2000 on December 31st 1967.


https://i.imgur.com/bDHVQ3C.jpg
rocktourdatabase.com

Martin Pal Jul 25, 2020 1:39 AM

Well, Noir_Noir, you've beat me with a couple photos below...I've been working on this post all week! I didn't know it was going to get so involved!


Prologue:

Before I begin this post about what was at the Ciro's location after it closed, I want to correct a couple things. The wikipedia page on Ciro's says this: It was transformed into a rock and roll club in 1965 called Ciro's Le Disc and renamed The Kaleidoscope in 1967. In 1968, it became a Sunset Strip rock and roll club which was called "It's Boss". It became The Comedy Store in 1972.

1.) It was definitely Le Disc before 1965.
2.) The Kaleidoscope was a club at Frank Sennes' Moulin Rouge location. See a photo of it: HERE, from Hollywood Historic Photos. I don't know for sure if it opened in 1967, but they have the photo dated 1968.
3.) "It's Boss" was open as early as September 1965.

A post on Tumblr by Nina Berry says at one time Ciro's was a place called Crazy Horse, before It's Boss. The only Crazy Horse reference I can find along these lines is that Neil Young played with a band called Crazy Horse at the Roxy in 1973.

https://nina-berry.tumblr.com/post/4...-the-1940s-los
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Ciro's: 1940-1957

After Ciro's closed, I was trying to figure out all the names it had until The Comedy Store opened.

There was an auction in 1958.

https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...-7-29-1958.jpgJHGraham

The dates/years of what came next vary by a year or two any place you look, and many places who post about these years say "at some point" or "after such and such" or are "conflicting" so I hesitate to put any specific dates, but I believe what follows is the correct order. But as I learned just yesterday, there could even be more.

Frank Sennes, who also operated the Moulin Rouge on Sunset Blvd., owned Ciro's for awhile. There's some writing that he called it The New Ciro's (I find no evidence of that in photos or ads.) He may have just used his name and the Ciro's name as in this photo. I can verify no information as yet as to what was going on at the location from 1960-64.

It's easier to verify the timeline of the Hotel, which, as HossC noted in a previous post, opened in...1963.

1963-1966: Gene Autry's Hotel Continental.

The photo below is dated 1964. I used this one to show the marquee of Ciro's which is at left below center.
There are no acts listed on the white square, but above it, it says Frank Sennes Ciro's. (On the front
marquee of the hotel facing Sunset Blvd., where it says Hotel Continental, the white strip you see off to
the left a little says "Gene Autry's"... I saw it up close in a photo facing the other direction. Click HERE to see it.)

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...87&oe=5F3E9048

Then at some point the place was called, Le Disc, but Frank Sennes name and Ciro's name remained so you're apt to find acts and ads referring to the place as Le Disc, Ciro's Le Disc or all three: Frank Sennes' Ciro's Le Disc.

Some ads and writers have spelled it Le Disque in reviews...and online posts spell it that way sometimes, I've noticed.

Early references say that The Byrds got their start at Le Disc, most say in 1964, but this L.A. Times article, HERE says it was 1965.

This photo shows the colorful marquee...and to the right the Hotel Continental sign.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1c17addd...321o1_1280.pngOldShowBiz

The above is most likely dated 1964 as George & Teddy and the Condors released this Live album in 1964:

https://img.discogs.com/5do9GnW34n4J...-8647.jpeg.jpgDiscogs

Dick Dale & the Deltones also released a Live from Ciro's Album in 1965.

This particular ad in the Friday, March 12, 1965, edition of the Valley Times has all three names listed:
Frank Sennes Ciro's Le Disc:

https://img.newspapers.com/img/thumb...77_972_909.jpgNewspapers.com

(Jimi Hendrix may have played here with Little Richard. Jimi stated in the June 15, 1969, interview with Nancy Carter that he played Ciro's with Little Richard.) EarlyHendrix
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In the June 18, 1965 edition of the Los Angeles Free Press, there's a small ad that only says: AFRO-BLUES QUINTET, The Living Room, 8433 Sunset Strip. LINK

[The Living Room is noted in HossC's post of the names listed in the 1968 and 1969 CD's. Perhaps it's one of the performing "rooms" at this address.)
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By the end of 1965 the place was called "It's Boss," as verified by this review of Sonny & Cher playing there:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/f99a38a3...j321o1_500.pnghttps://64.media.tumblr.com/af35b507...j321o3_500.png https://64.media.tumblr.com/160f9218...j321o1_500.png
OldShowbiz/Tumblr


Here are some shots of the place with it's new moniker, IT'S BOSS:

(According to the lineup ad above on the right, The Regents were a house band that played every night. Also note the address has an extra "4" in it.)

https://64.media.tumblr.com/d1a34694...321o2_1280.pngOldShowbiz/Tumblr

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1f55686f...o4_r1_1280.pngOldShowbiz/Tumblr

https://garagehangover.com/images7/I...fulRegents.jpgGarageHangover


https://64.media.tumblr.com/a55e662d...j321o2_500.png

IF YOU CLICK ON EITHER OF THESE PHOTOS YOU'LL GET A LARGER SIZE.
MAYBE SOMEONE CAN DECIPHER SOME OF THE MARQUEE.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/49ee5a64...j321o1_500.png

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(cont'd.)

Martin Pal Jul 25, 2020 1:40 AM

(cont'd from above)

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Hotel name change 1966-1976: Continental Hyatt House.

I had found a mention of Spectrum 2000, but E_R's photo post of it above has given me a great clue! That photo has a banner on it that says "Opening August 6th" (I believe it's a 6).

What I had found out about "Spectrum" was from this poster:

https://rocktourdatabase.com/sites/r...-31laspect.jpgRockTourDatabase

It's for a New Year's Eve party that the link says was held December 31, 1966. So that leads me to believe Spectrum 2000 opened in August of 1966.
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It was probably, but not definitely, Art LaBoe's after that.

This photo is not dated, but has the Hyatt name and also the Ciro's location is now Art LaBoe's. Notice it uses the same large circle design on the front, and smaller ones on the side, as the "Spectrum" design.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.citiz...t-20034-pm.png
Citizine

This photo is undated from the Ciro's Facebook page:
CLICK ON IT FOR A SUPERSIZED LOOK.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4b&oe=5F406C42Facebook

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A bit of history before the next notation here: In 1968 the gay dance club The Patch in Wilmington, 610 W. Pacific Coast Highway, covered elsewhere on NLA, was raided by police and there were subsequent riots and demonstrations.

https://www.linktv.org/sites/kl/file...015005_002.jpgKoymaskyBlog


That link above states that the owner of this establishment, Lee Glaze, subsequently opened Hollywood's first gay dance bar, "Patch 2" at the former Ciro's location in 1968.

This is a 1969 advertisement in The Voice magazine:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0Calisphere

A 1970 ad from The Voice that supposedly is connected with Patch II, but not enough info given for verification. IT'S -- interesting that maybe it's related to, or a riff on "It's Boss"?

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0

Apparently the Patch II club had various entertainments including Mr. Valentine and Groovy Guy contests. Here's a 1969 photo from one of these nights:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0

It's noted that the person on the far left is Jim Bailey.

See other interior photos from here: Calisphere

One is dated 1971, so if the 1968 starting date is correct, these were onging for at least three years

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This is a snapshot from 1973. The marquee on the location does not look as though it says Art LaBoe's and all sources I've read, including their website, say that The Comedy Store opened there in 1972.

https://live.staticflickr.com/6210/6...124c0edd_b.jpg
NickFaitos/Flicker

From The Comedy Store's website:

The Store was founded April 7, 1972, on the Sunset Strip in West Hollywood by comedian Sammy Shore, his wife Mitzi and comedy writer Rudy DeLuca.

The Comedy Store would become entirely Mitzi’s to own and operate as the result of her divorce settlement with Sammy in 1974.

The Original Room, as the name suggests, was originally The Comedy Store’s single stage as the portion of the building which now houses the Main Room was rented to other establishments until Mitzi purchased the entire building on Sunset in July of 1976 and created the multi-stage venue which The Comedy Store is today.


So from 1972-76 part of this building was rented out "to other establishments".

On L.A. Curbed's "Mapping Radio Legend Art Laboe's Los Angeles Through the Years," their paragraph about 8433 Sunset Blvd. says: "Early in Art's L.A. career, he did a stint interviewing celebrities at this Sunset Strip restaurant. Later, in the 1970's, Laboe bought Ciro's (then an ailing special events venue) and turned it into the Art Laboe Club. Old photos make it look like he shared the building with a smaller version of the Comedy Store; the building is entirely the Comedy Store now."

Source: https://la.curbed.com/maps/mapping-r...ough-the-years

I do not find any source that LaBoe had purchased the Ciro's location. This source had a link to the website that it said "old photos make it look like he shared it with the comedy store", and two other sites I looked at have the website as a link but it is not working as of now.

Defunct link: http://artlaboe.com/Art_60s_-_70s.html#12

To make matters more confusing: In 1974, Liza Minnelli married Jack Haley, Jr. there and the place was redone to look like Ciro's of yesteryear.

I could find no photo's of the exterior that night. There's a couple interior ones from Getty.

This LINK has a description of the wedding which says it cost $75,000 to transoform it into Ciro's again, incluidng a new neon sign to cover "Art LaBoe's Club" sign. This indicates the Comedy Store and Art LaBoe's club were sharing the place in 1974. The info above says Mitzi Shore had the building all to herself in 1976 when she bought the whole place.

There's a photo from iCollector of souvenirs from the occasion:

https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net...D5C9DF502BC910iCollector
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https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...XT=&DMROTATE=0

This is a 1979 photo ABOVE and a 1991 photo BELOW of The Comedy Store.

https://waterandpower.org/5%20Histor...Store_1991.jpg

It has retained much the same look as it did when it became Spectrum 2000 back in 1966.

Subsequent Hotel name changes...

1976-97: Hyatt on Sunset.
1997-2009: Hyatt West Hollywood.
2009: Andaz West Hollywood.

Well, I hope that wasn't all too confusing!

Martin Pal Jul 25, 2020 1:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8991348)
Unable to acquire a liquor licence the next move in 1966 was to become the 15+ hangout It's Boss.
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The review I posted of Sonny & Cher playing their "It's Boss" date shows it to be from Sept. 1965.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8991348)
In April and May of 1967 Ciro's hosted a few shows under the banner of The Kaleidoscope.

https://i.imgur.com/EJczdRe.jpg
hubpages.com
_________________________________________________________________


Now this info I never found!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8991348)
Spectrum 2000 had it's official opening on August 17th 1967.

https://i.imgur.com/9rJwod2.jpg
gettyimages


Poster for New Year's Eve's Mad Mod Party at Spectrum 2000 on December 31st 1967.

https://i.imgur.com/bDHVQ3C.jpg
rocktourdatabase.com
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So the info on the Rock Tour Database site says the New Year's Eve party was on December 31, 1966, so where did you get the info Spectrum officially opened on August 16, 1967?
(I subsequently looked at the Getty link, which says at the top that the opening was August 17, 1967, but in the information section it says July 17, 1967.)


I'm not saying you're wrong on any of this Noir_Noir, I've just spent a few days reading so many conflicting dates and such that I want to get my timeline post as accurate as possible...eventually. :cheers:

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2020 3:37 AM

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Here's another slide of LAFD Station #58.

This time showing the actual inspection lineup and a glimpse of the interior.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/FhAJFv.jpg
eBay

I still haven't figured out which of the firemen are the five firemen in the cigarette break photo (that I posted the day before yesterday)....I'm not good at that sort of thing.



Line - Up
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/XCImYW.jpg

Feb. 1956




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Bristolian Jul 25, 2020 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8991369)

By the end of 1965 the place was called "It's Boss," as verified by this review of Sonny & Cher playing there:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/160f9218...j321o1_500.png
OldShowbiz/Tumblr

FWIW, Ian Whitcomb was an English musician who later became a radio personality. At one time he appeared on KROQ here in L.A. Coincidentally, his Wikipedia page notes that one of his songs appeared in the film Encino Man which starred Pauly Shore, son of Comedy Store owner Mitzi Shore.

Noir_Noir Jul 25, 2020 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8991380)


So the info on the Rock Tour Database site says the New Year's Eve party was on December 31, 1966, so where did you get the info Spectrum officially opened on August 16, 1967?
(I subsequently looked at the Getty link, which says at the top that the opening was August 17, 1967, but in the information section it says July 17, 1967.)


I'm not saying you're wrong on any of this Noir_Noir, I've just spent a few days reading so many conflicting dates and such that I want to get my timeline post as accurate as possible...eventually. :cheers:



The banner in e_r's original Spectrum 2000 picture shows August 17th as the opening date. It also appears in the getty images picture.


https://i.imgur.com/9Up7AW5.jpg


I went with the banner on the club's wall - the getty images dating info is more often wrong than right. :)



The Mad Mod Party poster mentions KRLA dj Rhett Hamilton Walker. He joined the station in the Fall of 1967, ruling out a 1966 date for the poster.


https://i.imgur.com/bDHVQ3C.jpg




Have you happened upon this version of the Ciro's timeline?

Google Books - The Comedians: Drunks, Thieves, Scoundrels, and the History of American Comedy


It throws some new names into the mix -


[1957] - Ciro's badly damaged in a fire.

Property foreclosed, sold at auction to a bank, handed over to Frank Sennes.

[???] - Reopened as The New Ciro's. Short-lived.

[1961] - Le Crazy Horse Dance Contests and European type showgirls. Short lived.

[???] - The Bed-Room Singers and hypnotists. Short-lived.

[1967] - Ciro's Booking black acts exclusively.

[1970] - Ciro's Jr. Operated by comedian Duke Mitchell.


Not sure how accurate it is but likely some leads to follow up. :shrug: :)

HossC Jul 25, 2020 9:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8991370)

This is a snapshot from 1973. The marquee on the location does not look as though it says Art LaBoe's and all sources I've read, including their website, say that The Comedy Store opened there in 1972.

https://live.staticflickr.com/6210/6...124c0edd_b.jpg
NickFaitos/Flicker

Art Laboe's sign was yellow, as shown in the image below, so it could be his sign in the photo above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8991083)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8991370)

On L.A. Curbed's "Mapping Radio Legend Art Laboe's Los Angeles Through the Years," their paragraph about 8433 Sunset Blvd. says: "Early in Art's L.A. career, he did a stint interviewing celebrities at this Sunset Strip restaurant. Later, in the 1970's, Laboe bought Ciro's (then an ailing special events venue) and turned it into the Art Laboe Club. Old photos make it look like he shared the building with a smaller version of the Comedy Store; the building is entirely the Comedy Store now."

Source: https://la.curbed.com/maps/mapping-r...ough-the-years

I do not find any source that LaBoe had purchased the Ciro's location. This source had a link to the website that it said "old photos make it look like he shared it with the comedy store", and two other sites I looked at have the website as a link but it is not working as of now.

The 1974 article from Billboard that I posted above mentions Laboe's interviews there and a 1967 New Year's Eve party. Although it doesn't say that he owned the venue, he opened his club in June 1972, and opened an upstairs section in October 1972 which he was still using when the article was written in 1974. Here are a few paragraphs to save you scrolling up - the full excerpt is here.
"At one time Larry Finley and I had done an interview show in the lobby of Ciro's, a popular club on the strip. We talked to movie stars like Clark Gable, Tyrone Power, Gary Cooper and so on.

"Anyway, the club had run through a succession of failures and by 1967 was being used primarily for private parties. I went to a New Year's Eve party there that year and decided that I wanted to do something with the club. But I was busy with the label at the time and a group called Dyke & the Blazers, so I temporarily shelved the idea."

In June, 1972, however, Laboe opened Art Laboe's Club. It was launched as an oldies club, open 8:30 p.m. to 2 a.m. weekends, featuring as many as eight acts a night and including a $3.50 admission price with no requirement to buy food or drink once inside.

In October, 1972, an upstairs section of the club opened and ever since, Laboe has been broadcasting from 11 p.m. to 1 a.m. weekends over KRTH-FM, an oldies station. He takes dedications just as he did in the old days.

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2020 6:15 PM

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VIEWER ALERT....................




Tonight (7-25-20) Jacques Demy's Model Shop [1969] is showing on TCM at 11:45 E / 10:45 C / 9:45 M / 8:45 P.

There are fantastic views of Los Angeles throughout this film. (1969/69)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/nQ1sJS.jpg
TCM


Gary Lockweed . Lockwood spends an inordinate amount of time driving through the streets of L. A. in his foreign-made green convertable.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/wccFBz.jpg
tcm



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Martin Pal Jul 25, 2020 8:11 PM

:previous::previous:

Love that movie for various reasons, not necessarily the entire plotting of it. I read recently, don't know if I mentioned it here, that the director wanted to cast Harrison Ford in the role. But Paramount wanted a name and Gary Lockwood was a bigger name at the time.

_________________________

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8991528)
Art Laboe's sign was yellow, as shown in the image below, so it could be his sign in the photo above.
_________________________________________________________________


Hi, HossC, I know the snapshot photo is blurry, but it looked to me like black writing on top and bottom and red in the middle, so I thought it might not be. But it might be. :shrug:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8991505)
Have you happened upon this version of the Ciro's timeline?
It throws some new names into the mix -
_________________________________________________________________


Yay, that's what we need, more names!

I wish these notations were sourced. There are so many things not sourced. That New Year's party, for example, is listed as 1966 in at least 5 places, including the Iron Butterfly website of appearances and the Rock Tour Database, so mis-information gets spread around. Also, there were different rooms with different names, so it get's called different things. However, when I have time I'll keep making notes.

Today I'm going to watch MLB games!

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2020 9:26 PM

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Re: A mystery photograph that we were never able to solve.

From three years ago.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7812214)
'mystery' location

Robert Frank, Los Angeles 1956

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/Y6GrzS.jpg
http://the-crows-nest.tumblr.com/pos...e-is-one-thing

Does anyone know where this large arrow was located?...(I'm thinking perhaps Chinatown?



And if you look closely (below) the arrow appears to be neon.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/iJh5gE.jpg
detail

. . .and the man appears to be missing his head.
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Folks, I just found a contact sheet for Robert Frank's The Americans, 1955-1956. [see below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/lHUtbK.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/bh9Dl4.jpg
eBay

Along the top of the contract sheet there are several images of this same arrow. . .

. .but, unlike the mystery photo, we can see over the roof (& beyond) the warehouse-like building.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/wKYf7s.jpg
detail




Although it's blurry, here's a super-sized enlargement.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/LCBvO4.jpg
detail

Does anyone recognize the area in the distance?

I sure hope so.



LINK

Beaudry Jul 25, 2020 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8991889)
[
Although it's blurry, here's a super-sized enlargement.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/LCBvO4.jpg
detail

Does anyone recognize the area in the distance?

I sure hope so.



LINK

Wow! I'd seen that Frank photo a long time ago and never realized it was Bunker Hill. How cool, neon on the Hill! So yeah, this is looking down from Hope St above the Third St tunnel, that building with the arrow is a garage at the NW corner of Third and Hope. From the Nadel shots at the Getty:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0ba2c185_h.jpg

HossC Jul 25, 2020 10:28 PM

:previous:

You beat me to it by seconds, Beaudry!

There seem to be quite a few images showing the area around the western end of the Third Street tunnel/Hope Street and the Alta Vista. I've marked my guess for the location of the building with the X on the 1955 image below. It's on the sloped road that runs parallel to Hope Street joining Third Street to Second Street. The Alta Vista is the white building on Bunker Hill Avenue in the lower left corner. I think that the windows of the large white building on Cinnabar Street match the building in the background of the mystery photo.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...treetView1.jpg
USC Digital Library

HossC Jul 25, 2020 10:57 PM

:previous:

This 1956 LAPL image shows the building from a different angle (but no arrow). It was originally posted on page 2 of NLA, but the hotlinked image is now missing.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...treetView2.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2020 11:33 PM

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Excellent sleuthing Beaudry and Hoss.

So do you think the neon arrow was pointing to the parking lot behind the building?

and not some opium haze-shrouded subterranean Chinese Restaurant. . . like my overactive mind had imagined.







edit:

This lot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/AE5MdG.jpg
originally posted by HossC



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Lwize Jul 26, 2020 2:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8991741)
Tonight (7-25-20) Jacques Demy's Model Shop [1969] is showing on TCM at 11:45 E / 10:45 C / 9:45 M / 8:45 P.

There are fantastic views of Los Angeles throughout this film. (1969/69)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/nQ1sJS.jpg
TCM

Funny to see this listed again. TCM aired The Model Shop 6/19/19 during their "Films of 1969" week.

I just watched Tarantino's Once Upon a Time ... In Hollywood last night, where Tarantino paid homage to The Model Shop with driving scenes (and a small British roadster) around Hollywood in 1969. :)

ethereal_reality Jul 26, 2020 8:17 PM

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I realize we have seen the Cinerama Dome innumerable times on NLA but here are two original tourist' slides taken in 1964.


This first slide caught my eye because the dome appears to be located in a fairly sparse area (& not in the middle of Hollywood!)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ugd2C7.jpg
eBay





In this next slide we're looking in the opposite direction towards the Sunset-Vine Tower (southeast corner of Sunset and Vine)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/WHwyeJ.jpg
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I remember going to the top of Sunset Tower for drinks back in the 1980s. I don't recall the name of the bar but I believe it was the 'in place' for a jazz.

also. . there was an express elevator that took you to the top. (hmm. . .or maybe it was just a normal elevator that became an express at night)

Does anyone know if there's still a nightclub at the top?




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HossC Jul 26, 2020 8:56 PM

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This first slide caught my eye because the dome appears to be located in a fairly sparse area (& not in the middle of Hollywood!)

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I've posted at least one of the photos from this 1963 series before, but I can't find it. It captures the Pacific Cinerama Theatre under construction, and shows most of the surrounding blocks as either parking lots or single-story buildings.

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Sorry, I've to hotlink the image, Photobucket etc. - you know the rest!

Martin Pal Jul 26, 2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8992459)
.I remember going to the top of Sunset Tower for drinks back in the 1980s. I don't recall the name of the bar but I believe it was the 'in place' for a jazz.

also. . there was an express elevator that took you to the top. (hmm. . .or maybe it was just a normal elevator that became an express at night)

Does anyone know if there's still a nightclub at the top?
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The place was called Simply Blues.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e0/21/ba/e...dff547a901.jpg


There was a fire in the building in 2001 and it was empty for several years and another fire occurred in 2005. It has since been turned into luxury apartments.

Here's a link to a blog page called HERE IN THE HILLS, by a lady who lives in the hills who wrote some posts about the building and took photos of it from her place in the hills. There's a lot of photos. There's probably more about it, too, if one wanted to search her blog.

http://sitteninthehills64.blogspot.com/2008/03/

What she wrote about Simply Blues: There was a rather nice restaurant on the top floor, back in the day, called Simply Blues....There you could hear pretty good music and have some fairly good food, too. I remember going there sometime in the late 60's early 70's after seeing the fabulous show "Jacques Brel Is Alive And Well" at the then Huntington Hartford Theatre, up the street on Vine...(Now called the Ricardo Montalban Theatre.....) Later, that same restaurant/bar/jazz place was known as 360, because of the fantastic views from all sides, encompassing 360 degrees.

I ate there once with some friends before going to see a show at the Pantages in the late 1980's.

This NLA post shows the menu cover of Simply Blues:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=5847

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8223877)
A nice L.A. Times article HERE, when the building was re-opening as luxury apartments, talks about the building's troubles, beginning in 2001 when "an electrical transformer exploded, plunging it into darkness and sending employees of 40 companies with offices there running down stairwells to safety. Because the electrical meltdown knocked out the building's fire alarm system, city inspectors and fire officials for months barred workers from entering to remove files, office equipment and personal property. But with the building's tenants locked out, vandals moved in, trashing some offices and stealing files and equipment. Neighbors were soon calling the place 'the world's biggest crack house.' Authorities ordered the tower fenced off about six months after the explosion."

Workers dismantling rooftop equipment with a cutting torch accidentally set the tower on fire in 2005.

http://www.jozjozjoz.com/archives/S+...-04-18p-sm.jpg

Because the elevators were still out of service, firefighters had to carry hundred-pound loads of hose and gear up stairwells to fight the flames. Later, they had to undergo decontamination because of asbestos exposure.
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"I just adore a penthouse view..."

To answer your question, E_R, the top floor is now two penthouse apartments. I read there are 63 Luxury Apartments now in the building. According to their website, there are only two available right now.
A two bedroom on the 17th Floor and one of the two Penthouse Apartments on the 20th Floor.

If you want to take a virtual tour or look at some photos:
https://sunsetvinetower.com

ethereal_reality Jul 27, 2020 3:26 AM

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That's it, M P!

The two different fonts on this matchbook are Simply. . . . .:yuck:

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There was a lot of bad taste in the 1980s.

For example: I wore a pair of pink and green pastel cotton shorts to Catalina once.
I also wore a Koala Blue sweatshirt from Olivia Newton-John's store on Melrose Ave.

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Korner of Australia Los Angeles = K O A L A (Blue) . . . . . . . . . . . . .(I thought it was clever)



Other than that I was pretty cool. ;)
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