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CityBoyDoug Jan 3, 2019 8:06 PM

This photo shows the relative location of the famed Hollywood Canteen. On the night of October 3, 1942, Bette Davis and John Garfield opened the Hollywood Canteen at 1451 Cahuenga (on the corner of Sunset Blvd) at a former nightclub called The Barn.

https://static.messynessychic.com/wp...odcanteen1.jpg
messynessy

Martin Pal Jan 3, 2019 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8424592)
My guess would be that Barbara Britton and the sailors were between the CBS Radio Playhouse and Selma Avenue, but I can't work out where the small brick chimney-like structure in the top-right corner of the photo would've been.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...varAerial1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu
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Thanks, HossC. That structure looks like it was something sticking up from a roof, but, also, the photograph looks like the upper right of it might be a whited out glare in the picture. Too much light.

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CBD, in the 1941 aerial above, the Canteen would be located (a year later) at the very bottom of the aerial photo on the west side of Cahuenga Blvd.

It also looks like a B-2 stealth bomber landed on the corner of the east side of Cahuenga Blvd. at Selma Ave. (I was trying to locate what restaurant that might be.)

Bristolian Jan 3, 2019 9:22 PM

:previous:

I'm thinking that structure might be a gas station with canopies protruding from the main building although 1941 might be a little early for that style of architecture.

Update: I'm new to using the city directories but 1956, the closest year I could find, shows Jack Brechtel Union Oil Dealers/Service Stations at that corner of Cahuenga & Selma

odinthor Jan 4, 2019 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8424895)
Was Ducommun Street named after the Ducommun family or just Charles Louis Ducommun?

I'd hazard a guess that the street was opened through real estate owned by Mr. Ducommun by the civic-minded cooperation of Ducommun, and so was dubbed with his name in appreciation (such was the way in which Requena St. acquired its name). Ducommun had real estate assets valued at $6,000 in 1860 and $20,000 in 1870 (according to the censuses of those years).

GaylordWilshire Jan 4, 2019 1:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8424592)
Here's an aerial view from December 21, 1941 (we could probably see the Santas on Hollywood Boulevard if it was higher resolution!). The three-story white building is just to the right of the top of the "Ivar Avenue" label. I believe that the building is still there, although most of the windows have been filled. To the left of "V" in the "Vine Street" label is the CBS Radio Playhouse (now the Ricardo Montalban Theatre). My guess would be that Barbara Britton and the sailors were between the CBS Radio Playhouse and Selma Avenue, but I can't work out where the small brick chimney-like structure in the top-right corner of the photo would've been.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...varAerial1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8425156)
:previous

I'm thinking that structure might be a gas station with canopies protruding from the main building although 1941 might be a little early for that style of architecture.

Update: I'm new to using the city directories but 1956, the closest year I could find, shows Jack Brechtel Union Oil Dealers/Service Stations at that corner of Cahuenga & Selma

It looks like a gas station was on the corner by early 1926--one moved from a lot due north across Selma (the pumps and tanks, it seems) to a lot on which a 4-room house had been built in late 1920. That structure appears to have been demo'ed in 1931...a new canopy was built at that time...then, according to BPs, a "tire service building" and a "battery service building" were built in 1933. Then in 1940, Union Oil built a new station, the old canopy being moved to Manchester and Wilton Place. Looks like there were a few more updates to the station over the years.

Interestingly, the name Harold Lloyd appears on some BPs associated with this property--seems he might have owned it, leasing it Union Oil.

Tikiman Jan 4, 2019 1:47 AM

Film Location
 
In the 1952 film "Monkey Business" Cary Grant buys a new red MGTD sports car and takes Marilyn Monroe on a nice ride. I was curious as to where the scene was shot. It didn't take too long because part of the business sign and the address number was visible in the shots. The location was, and still is, Santa Monica Ford at 1230 Santa Monica Blvd.

Video Link

Tikiman Jan 4, 2019 1:48 AM

Film Location
 
In the 1952 film "Monkey Business" Cary Grant buys a new red MGTD sports car and takes Marilyn Monroe on a nice ride. I was curious as to where the scene was shot. It didn't take too long because part of the business sign and the address number was visible in the shots. The location was, and still is, Santa Monica Ford at 1230 Santa Monica Blvd.

Video Link

Tikiman Jan 4, 2019 1:49 AM

Film Location
 
In the 1952 film "Monkey Business" Cary Grant buys a new red MGTD sports car and takes Marilyn Monroe on a nice ride. I was curious as to where the scene was shot. It didn't take too long because part of the business sign and the address number was visible in the shots. The location was, and still is, Santa Monica Ford at 1230 Santa Monica Blvd.
On a side note, the car was sold at auction from the FOX studio lot and purchased by Debbie Reynolds. She said that her daughter, Carry Fisher, learned to drive it but after a minor fender scrape, Debbie put an end to it. LOL
Sorry for the duplicate posts. I wasn't sure how to correct the video feed issue and reposted instead of saved. Learning curve. Sorry


Video Link

ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2019 6:30 AM

I loved comparison pics when I was a kid. My favorite was the Lusitania standing upright next to the Woolworth Building in NYC.


Here is one that I have never seen before....& it is mighty cool looking.

BOULDER DAM VS LOS ANGELES CITY HALL

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/dmD94A.jpg
picclick





Here's a closer look to get your imagination stirring.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/fGkvh9.jpg
I had to chop the top off to get it to fit.


Boulder Dam was renamed Hoover Dam in 1947.


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ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2019 6:41 AM

A bit more from the Royal Order of Jesters, Court #84.

1957 Roster
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/jrCp1A.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/WwiMx7.jpg
worthpoint Jonathan Club

A look inside HERE

I believe the smiling imp is a Billiken.


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HossC Jan 4, 2019 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikiman (Post 8425431)

Sorry for the duplicate posts. I wasn't sure how to correct the video feed issue and reposted instead of saved. Learning curve. Sorry

If you use the "Preview Post" button, you can see how your post will look without actually posting it. If it's not right, you don't need to press the "Submit Reply" button.

If you're having trouble, just ask.

As a reminder, you can edit your own posts indefinitely if you need to fix something.

GaylordWilshire Jan 4, 2019 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikiman (Post 8425431)
In the 1952 film "Monkey Business" Cary Grant buys a new red MGTD sports car and takes Marilyn Monroe on a nice ride. I was curious as to where the scene was shot. It didn't take too long because part of the business sign and the address number was visible in the shots. The location was, and still is, Santa Monica Ford at 1230 Santa Monica Blvd.
Video Link


Given that to insure consistent branding manufacturers have become strict about the design of the dealerships that sell their cars--an exception to this is the famous Casa de Cadillac--I wasn't surprised to find that a more modern building had supplanted the original Santa Monica Ford showroom structure. An old building on the lot, which may or may not have been the original showroom of Riley Ford, which SM Ford took over in 1948, still stands, however...even its weathervane is still on top.


https://i.postimg.cc/BbPGDsTQ/monkeybusinessoldbldg.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/gJCGgnk6/smfordsvcnow-bmp.jpg
GSV


MM looking a little stout in this clip, with unflattering dress detail not helping.. ...anyway there are some interesting location shots in that Monkey Business car sequence...maybe someone here is familiar with the neighborhoods....

HossC Jan 4, 2019 5:37 PM

While we're in the area, I found this 1930 image of a Richfield station at 1601 Vine Street (that's the NW corner of Selma and Vine). There was still a gas station there in 1941, but the layout looks different on the aerial I posted yesterday. The building behind is on the south side of Selma.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...601VineSt1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The window under the large "AUTO" sign belongs to realtor Clifford F Reid at 6308 Selma Avenue (1931 CD). The windows to the right bear the name of engineers' suppliers DuBose & French Inc at 6310 Selma Avenue, and I can also see the word "[P]RINTS", which probably belonged to the Arrow Blue Print Co at the same address. The sign at the far left is for Pratt & Lambert Varnishes, which were distributed by the Mathews Paint Co at 1559 N Vine.

Snix Jan 4, 2019 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8424261)
Thanks Snix! I didn't think we were going to solve this one.


Aqua Caliente was a huge complex!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TVKq7Z.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/x0akPb.jpg
antiquegambling

As you can see...............................................................................................................................................................the campanile is #8 :previous:







That big honkin' vase is still there.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/ZKO0Iz.jpg
laprensa


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Agua Caliente WAS MASSIVE, sprawling over more than 650 acres. The original campanile was demolished. The one that stands there today (in the photo that ethereal_reality posted) is a half-scale replica that houses a horse racing hall of fame. You can glimpse the original in this trailer for the Busby Berkeley musical about the place called "In Caliente." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFVFujVTfDM I was married at Agua Caliente, and our wedding cake was shaped like the campanile.

GaylordWilshire Jan 4, 2019 8:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8425998)
While we're in the area, I found this 1930 image of a Richfield station at 1601 Vine Street (that's the NW corner of Selma and Vine). There was still a gas station there in 1941, but the layout looks different on the aerial I posted yesterday. The building behind is on the south side of Selma.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...601VineSt1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The window under the large "AUTO" sign belongs to realtor Clifford F Reid at 6308 Selma Avenue (1931 CD). The windows to the right bear the name of engineers' suppliers DuBose & French Inc at 6310 Selma Avenue, and I can also see the word "[P]RINTS", which probably belonged to the Arrow Blue Print Co at the same address. The sign at the far left is for Pratt & Lambert Varnishes, which were distributed by the Mathews Paint Co at 1559 N Vine.


Here's another view of the corner--now the signage appears to include "Savoy" on the station's front, over the diamond pattern of openings--at 1601 in the 39CD is Savoy Auto Parks...in the 42CD, Standard Oil listed a station there.... The rent-a-car business is at 1605 in the building next to CBS (the little near building in Hoss's view).

https://i.postimg.cc/gJQFLrG1/selmavinex-bmp.jpg
Partial of a USCDL image...dated 1936 by it.

GaylordWilshire Jan 4, 2019 10:01 PM

:previous:


A gruesome if not exactly noirish accident happened at 1601 Vine Street not long after the Richfield station opened:

https://i.postimg.cc/rp6kQQ3z/1601vineaccident-bmp.jpg
LAT March 20, 1932

Snix Jan 4, 2019 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8426179)
Here's another view of the corner--now the signage appears to include "Savoy" on the station's front, over the diamond pattern of openings--at 1601 in the 39CD is Savoy Auto Parks...in the 42CD, Standard Oil listed a station there.... The rent-a-car business is at 1605 in the building next to CBS (the little near building in Hoss's view).

https://i.postimg.cc/gJQFLrG1/selmavinex-bmp.jpg
Partial of a USCDL image...dated 1936 by it.

This Richfield station would later become The Curb drive-in and Molly's Charbroiler. There are several posts here with broken links. Here's one.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10531

HossC Jan 4, 2019 11:26 PM

:previous:

As the sign says, Molly’s Burgers closed in 2011. There's some history here.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ysBurgers1.jpg
L.A. Taco

And back in 1981...

"Cowboys lead steers along Vine St. near Selma in Hollywood to call attention to the 12th Annual Forum Championship Rodeo to be held later in the day on May 21, 1981. Some Hollywood businesses: Celebrity Theater (1529-1559 N. Vine St.), Allstate Rent-A-car and Molly's are seen in the background and on the right side of the image."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ysBurgers2.jpg
LAPL

Handsome Stranger Jan 5, 2019 4:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8426374)
And back in 1981...

"Cowboys lead steers along Vine St. near Selma in Hollywood to call attention to the 12th Annual Forum Championship Rodeo to be held later in the day on May 21, 1981. Some Hollywood businesses: Celebrity Theater (1529-1559 N. Vine St.), Allstate Rent-A-car and Molly's are seen in the background and on the right side of the image."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ysBurgers2.jpg
LAPL

That is a fabulous photo!

For a couple of years I lived in an apartment that just happened to be on a street that served as a staging area for the Hollywood Christmas Parade. On the day of the parade, horses and riders started setting up camp very early in the morning on my block. It was enormously entertaining when one of the horses would whinny, because all of the dogs in the neighborhood would totally freak out, every last one of them barking and wailing like the end of the world was at hand. They sensed that the sound was coming from an alien creature they had never encountered before...OMG OMG OMG DANGER!!!! I wish I had recorded it.

GaylordWilshire Jan 5, 2019 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8426288)
:previous:


A gruesome if not exactly noirish accident happened at 1601 Vine Street not long after the Richfield station opened:

https://i.postimg.cc/rp6kQQ3z/1601vineaccident-bmp.jpg
LAT March 20, 1932


This got me thinking about Edwin Goodell--apparently he was a couple of months shy of 23 (not 26 years old, as the article states)-- a sad Depression-era note in what seems to have started out well with his family driving across the country in a Model T in 1924 to start a new life in LA...


With his parents, Sarah ("Sadie") and Louis:
https://i.postimg.cc/ncdH2ddK/goodellwpars-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/wvCdZPCZ/goodelltripdiary-bmp.jpg

Both from ancestry

CityBoyDoug Jan 5, 2019 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8426721)
This got me thinking about Edwin Goodell--apparently he was a couple of months shy of 23 (not 26 years old, as the article states)-- a sad Depression-era note in what seems to have started out well with his family driving across the country in a Model T in 1924 to start a new life in LA...



https://i.postimg.cc/wvCdZPCZ/goodelltripdiary-bmp.jpg

Both from ancestry

Their travel expenses were approx. $2,100.00 in 2018 dollars. Also consider that a road trip in the 1920s was very different than it is in 2019. Poor roads, few if any motels,...the list is long.

Martin Pal Jan 5, 2019 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 8426341)
This Richfield station would later become The Curb drive-in and Molly's Charbroiler.]
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The Curb next to the (then) Huntington Hartford Theatre:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6964494)
Here's a 1964 photograph of the theatre advertising The Best Man, by Gore Vidal. Also showing The Curb Charbroiler restaurant stand.

http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1395203204Bill Gabel
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Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8426374)
And back in 1981...

"Cowboys lead steers along Vine St. near Selma in Hollywood to call attention to the 12th Annual Forum Championship Rodeo to be held later in the day on May 21, 1981. Some Hollywood businesses: Celebrity Theater (1529-1559 N. Vine St.), Allstate Rent-A-car and Molly's are seen in the background and on the right side of the image."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ysBurgers2.jpg
LAPL
___________________________________________________________________

In the 1980's the TAV Celebrity Theater used to tape Merv Griffin's daily talk show and also the game shows he produced, Jeopardy! and The Wheel of Fortune.

A couple years earlier, the opening scenes of The Jerk (1979) were filmed in front of the Huntington Hartford Theatre. Here's a then & now video of that location.

Video Link

HossC Jan 5, 2019 8:30 PM

I came across this building the other day and felt sure we must've seen it before, but my searches didn't find anything. The showroom in 1001 S Hope Street belongs to the Thor Pacific Co. On the left, the "USED CARS" sign belongs to Earle C Anthony's Packard dealership. In the background is the "HYDRIL" sign on the Petroleum Building.

New shot of building, 10th Street [Olympic Boulevard] and Hope Street, 1001 South Hope Street, Los Angeles, CA, 1931

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1001SHope1.jpg

Here's a close-up of the window signage and displays.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1001SHope2.jpg

USC Digital Library

The image above is one of two in a set. I also found another set with two similar images from a little earlier, before the window displays were finished.

I wasn't expecting the building to still be there, but it looks like it survived until 1992. The demo permit mentions riot damage and arson. A note at the bottom says 'Bldg is not on the riot damage list, but "order to comply + inspector's report" verifying riot damage has been verified 7/8/92'.

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2019 9:00 PM

originally posted by Martin Pal
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/gmCCUJ.jpg





You can catch a glimpse of 'THE CURB, Charbroiler in the photograph below. [1940?]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/DNH7Eo.jpg
jaced.com

It looks like there's some renovation going on at the Huntington Theater.









R.I.P. Edwin Goodell. :(

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2019 9:29 PM

And here's a noirish view of the Richfield Station. (which we've probably seen before)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gIbeF9.jpg
facebook / so cal architecture

ED PYLE. Who dat?

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2019 10:22 PM

Mom's Place?
 
This 2010 ARTICLE implies that Molly's Hamburgers is (was) located in a remnant of the Richfield Station.

"Molly's has history on its side. Originally opened in 1929 as part of a Richfield gas station, the stand was initially called Mom's Place.
In the 1950s, its name was changed to the Curb Charbroiler. The Molly's name dates from the 1960s."
fromLos Angeles Times


As much as I'd like that to be true...I doubt that it is.
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8426374)
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ysBurgers1.jpg
L.A. Taco

"Molly’s may have only been a shack, but it was a shack that the locals loved." L.A.TACO


The coup de grace is HossC's aerial.

December 21, 1941
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/iTYhDh.jpg

There doesn't appear to a building in that spot.


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GaylordWilshire Jan 5, 2019 10:27 PM

:previous:

Well, ER, I think it's just not showing up well in the aerial--here's Hoss's image from his recent post50165

Molly's was in the building to the right, right? Or...was it a later structure in front of that one, closer to the Vine sidewalk?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...601VineSt1.jpg

Tourmaline Jan 5, 2019 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427100)
And here's a noirish view of the Richfield Station. (which we've probably seen before)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gIbeF9.jpg
facebook / so cal architecture

:previous:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=40362

HossC Jan 5, 2019 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427100)

That would be Edward J Pyle (married to Corinne H) who lived at 1347 N Orange Drive. He's only listed at the gas station in the 1936 CD, and by 1937 he's a manager at Savoy Corp (possibly the auto park people who had a site next to the gas station).

Interestingly, I found that there was an Edward P Pyle jr working across the street at an auto park at 1600 Vine in the early-30s. He lived at 9002 Rangely. I wonder if they were related/knew each other.

ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2019 1:17 AM

:previous: Thanks for the information on Ed Pyle Hoss. I really appreciate it.

You see Tourmaline, even if we have seen a photograph before on NLA...by posting it again we might possibly learn something new.



And was this really necessary?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/eFrohN.jpg

You not only changed my aside into BOLD letters....you also ENLARGED the letters to"3". Who does that to someone else's post?




Also, via the link you provided ...the Richfield photograph was the 18th of 20 photographs in BigRayRock's post. -The Richfield photo could have easily been missed.


The NLA thread is almost 10 years old / of course we're going to have reposts.

If you don't mind, let's retire this "Hey you reposted something" guy :hi:
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ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2019 2:06 AM

Lucky Guys
 
"Ann Blyth getting an assist into her mermaid’s tail by Bud Westmore and probably a gentleman from the wardrobe department."


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2UO778.jpg
vickielester

Vickie Lester pointed out a detail that I hadn't noticed before.

It looks very much like she’s only up to her knees in fancy fins, and they shot her lounging on rocks with the costume draped in front of her.
I’ll have to watch “Mr. Peabody and the Mermaid” again to figure it out."


I wonder if this is correct? I would think, especially when filming, the mermaids would be wearing their costumes (not simply draped over them)

ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2019 2:27 AM

Needless to say...her legs are inside the tail when she's in motion. :)

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/3302/3cMqgq.gif
giphy



OOPS
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...924/gbZh66.jpg
filmblanc

I must be thinking of a different movie. I don't believe I have seen this one.
I might have been thinking of an Esther Williams movie. (I'm pretty sure she played a mermaid in one of her films)

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ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2019 3:06 AM

mystery house. (well, sort of)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/e9hRf3.jpg
EBAY




Luckily, there is an address on the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ARP2gy.jpg

436 Oak Ave. Hollywood - Los Angeles Cal


The problem is.....when I use the address as written, google-maps takes me to a Glen Oak Street.

If I use Los Angeles as the city, instead of Hollywood, I'm directed to a White Oak Street.

I also checked Oak St. in Pasadena without any luck.

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BillinGlendaleCA Jan 6, 2019 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427335)
mystery house. (well, sort of)


436 Oak Ave. Hollywood - Los Angeles Cal


The problem is.....when I use the address as written, google-maps takes me to a Glen Oak Street.

If I use Los Angeles as the city, instead of Hollywood, I'm directed to a White Oak Street.

I also checked Oak St. in Pasadena without any luck.

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There is an Oak Ave. in El Segundo, doubt that's it. There's also an Oak St. east of Toberman just west of the 10/110 interchange.

CityBoyDoug Jan 6, 2019 2:27 PM

https://youtu.be/2hYqYcvMKRw

This 2 min. video is "A Ride Through LA- 1932.

Rather shaky but .....

Lwize Jan 6, 2019 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8427165)
That would be Edward J Pyle (married to Corinne H) who lived at 1347 N Orange Drive. He's only listed at the gas station in the 1936 CD, and by 1937 he's a manager at Savoy Corp (possibly the auto park people who had a site next to the gas station).

You forgot to mention Ed Pyle provided super service!

HossC Jan 6, 2019 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8427515)
https://youtu.be/2hYqYcvMKRw

This 2 min. video is "A Ride Through LA- 1932.

Rather shaky but .....

Scott Charles posted that video (linked to the original at archive.org) back in October in post #49328. He split it into scenes, and we worked out the filming locations over the next few pages.

Tourmaline Jan 6, 2019 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427259)
:previous:
You see Tourmaline, even if we have seen a photograph before on NLA...by posting it again we might possibly learn something new.

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Tried to send you a PM, but evidently your inbox is full.

GaylordWilshire Jan 6, 2019 5:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427335)
mystery house. (well, sort of)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/e9hRf3.jpg
EBAY


Luckily, there is an address on the back.

436 Oak Ave. Hollywood - Los Angeles Cal


The problem is.....when I use the address as written, google-maps takes me to a Glen Oak Street.

If I use Los Angeles as the city, instead of Hollywood, I'm directed to a White Oak Street.

I also checked Oak St. in Pasadena without any luck.


Interesting...here's a bit of a Sanborn map key indicating an Oak Avenue in Hollywood...which became part of Hobart Blvd after annexation. A builder named George L. Lovejoy was at "436 S Crown Av" in the 1911 city directory; the section of Crown south of Propsect Av/Hollywood Blvd appears to have briefly carried the name Oak Aveneue—in the 1912 CD, Lovejoy is listed at "436 Oak Av." (Perhaps he had it photographed for sales purposes...although he was still at 1302 as late as 1923.) The clincher would seem to be that Lovejoy is in the 1913 LACD--with address and street-name changes still being adjusted--at 1302 N Hobart Blvd. In late 1924 this house was moved east on its lot--turned 90° counterclockwise--and made into a 2-fam dwelling, addressed 5287/89 Fountain--see the Sanborns of 1919 and 1950 below...the house has been replaced, but do you suppose it might have been the mystery house?


https://i.postimg.cc/R0KKfgBw/hollywood1-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/PqPGXVBz/hobart-1919-bmp.jpg
1919

https://i.postimg.cc/057TywH3/hobart-1950-bmp.jpg
1950

CityBoyDoug Jan 6, 2019 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 8427553)
You forgot to mention Ed Pyle provided super service!

Lwize: That's good news but how do you know this? Is it the sign painted on the side of the building?
If you're joking, that is fine as we all need a good joke.

Noirishers will note that many of Lwize's comments are filled with the ironic, witticisms and jests.

ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2019 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8427592)
Interesting...here's a bit of a Sanborn map key indicating an Oak Avenue in Hollywood...which became part of Hobart Blvd after annexation. A builder named George L. Lovejoy was at "436 Oak Av" in the 1912 LACD. (Perhaps he had it photographed for sales purposes...although he was still at 1302 as late as 1923.) The clincher would seem to be that Lovejoy is in the 1913 LACD--with address and street-name changes still being adjusted--at 1302 N Hobart Blvd. In late 1924 this house was moved east on its lot--turned 90° counterclockwise--and made into a 2-fam dwelling, addressed 5287/89 Fountain--see the Sanborns of 1919 and 1950 below...the house has been replaced, but do you suppose it might have been the mystery house?


https://i.postimg.cc/R0KKfgBw/hollywood1-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/PqPGXVBz/hobart-1919-bmp.jpg
1919

https://i.postimg.cc/057TywH3/hobart-1950-bmp.jpg
1950

:previous: HOLY TODELO !

You just earned
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..........................GAYLORDWILSHIRE...............................


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GaylordWilshire Jan 6, 2019 9:27 PM

:previous:

Holy Todelo indeed. Thanks, ER. We've seen Joan hugging the post before--always a pleasant reminder of one of the all-time fabulously ridiculous JC movies ever-- Strait Jacket. With Diane Baker, absurd fake props, and totally unsubtle product placement...

https://i.postimg.cc/d0DPn4ry/straitjacket-bmp.jpg

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 12:59 AM

Re the Oak Street/Hobart Blvd house:

PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR MIND BLOWN, ER + SOME NOIR


When looking into the house at the nec of Oak/Hobart and Fountain, I took a look at the GSV of the its later address on Fountain (5287/89) and dismissed the building now there as a replacement, even though I didn't see a demo BP when I looked into those. But then I looked a little closer...


Notice the little west-side bay near the front--it corresponds to the bay indicated on the 1919 an 1950 Sanborns. So it seems your mystery house stands!

https://i.postimg.cc/2Sd4jLjc/fountain-bmp.jpg

Among the changes to the house made over the years was its being was stuccoed over in 1984...


And, of course, into every LA house creeps a little noir...

https://i.postimg.cc/FKDCRBFB/fountainnoir1-bmp.jpg
LAT Nov 24, 1943

I couldn't find anything more of Irene Seidcheck (other than that her brother-in-law died in 1964)

CityBoyDoug Jan 7, 2019 1:15 AM

Joan was a board member of Pepsi.....thanks to her last husband, Mr Alfred Steele.

(April 24, 1900 – April 19, 1959) was an American soft drink businessman. He graduated from Northwestern University in 1923, where he played football, and became an ad executive. He first worked for The Coca-Cola Company, as vice president of marketing.

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quora

HossC Jan 7, 2019 1:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8427890)

Re the Oak Street/Hobart Blvd house:

PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR MIND BLOWN, ER + SOME NOIR

When looking into the house at the nec of Oak/Hobart and Fountain, I took a look at the GSV of the its later address on Fountain (5287/89) and dismissed the building now there as a replacement, even though I didn't see a demo BP when I looked into those. But then I looked a little closer...

Notice the little west-side bay near the front--it corresponds to the bay indicated on the 1919 an 1950 Sanborns. So it seems your mystery house stands!

I did wonder about that myself when I saw the shape of the chimney facing the alley, but didn't have time to look into it further.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ountainAv1.jpg
GSV

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 1:42 AM

:previous:

HossC has nailed it own even further...or father, since distance does enter into it...the nail...nevermind

ethereal_reality Jan 7, 2019 1:43 AM

:previous: That thing is our mystery house?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/e9hRf3.jpg
Ebay

For once..I'm speechless.

ethereal_reality Jan 7, 2019 5:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8427890)
And, of course, into every LA house creeps a little noir...

https://i.postimg.cc/FKDCRBFB/fountainnoir1-bmp.jpg
LAT Nov 24, 1943

I couldn't find anything more of Irene Seidcheck.

Believe it or not GW, I located a photograph of Irene Seidcheck.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/uYfmtc.jpg
kansasdrakes

The man on the tricycle is her husband, Allan Seidcheck...a so-called 'bad boy'
Allan is the person who placed the missing ad (his name is on it)

To ease the suspense, Irene was FOUND.
(or more likely she simply decided to return to her husband)

It turns out...Irene's daughter, Colleen, is searching for information on her biological mother. at SWOTR

"At some point between age 9 and 14 (1935 to 1940), Irene and her parents, George & Liliane Kosloff, moved from the East Coast to Los Angeles.
They found their new homes at 1823 Garfield Place (1930), 2590 Beachwood Drive (1940) and 2604 Glen Green (1942) in Hollywood Hills.
Her father worked as a "Theatrical Agent" and she most likely attended Hollywood High School. It was here that Irene met and fell in love
with Allan Seidcheck, a "bad boy" from Chicago who had lived in California since he was about 12 years old. Irene became pregnant
with Allan's child when she was 16--practically a baby herself!"


[condensed]


Irene's Death

Irene died in Los Angeles on April 24, 1977. She was 51; I was 14. Her address at the time was 11620 Washington Blvd.
now known as Vista Del Sol Care Center. It's located just blocks from the home I grew up in. She was right there the entire time!
Her name on the Certificate of Death is Irene Kay.


To read the whole story (and see additional photographs) go to Colleen's blog Somewhere Over the Raindow

GW, I don't believe Irene's daughter is aware of the missing ad. Do you think it's something she'd like to know?


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Handsome Stranger Jan 7, 2019 5:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8427890)
And, of course, into every LA house creeps a little noir...

https://i.postimg.cc/FKDCRBFB/fountainnoir1-bmp.jpg
LAT Nov 24, 1943

I couldn't find anything more of Irene Seidcheck (other than that her brother-in-law died in 1964)

ER beat me to it...I found the same blog post and was just about to triumphantly reveal all! Grumble grumble...

I also found this notice of divorce that appeared in the L.A. Times on 28 September 1949, six years after her disappearance. Assuming it's the same Irene Seidcheck, she was either found or came back of her own accord.

https://i.postimg.cc/Bb3rSpCc/divorce.jpg

Watch out for them "bad boys" from Chicago!

ethereal_reality Jan 7, 2019 5:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8428046)

Grumble grumble.

:ohyeah









jus' kiddin' with ya.


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