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odinthor Jun 14, 2020 5:08 PM

I don't believe that NLA has visited the Canton Cafe, which was at 527 S. Main for about a year, mostly or completely in 1911. It was accused of certain liquor law violations (selling booze without accompanying food, as well as to minors).

https://i.postimg.cc/rFhyQcJ9/527-SMain001.jpg
odinthor collection

I wonder what accounts for the odd shape of the interior space, evidently narrowing (or shifting?) towards the rear...?


Earlier, in 1901, 527 S. Main had hosted a business of another sort:

https://i.postimg.cc/446QK25G/527-SM...r-10-27-01.jpg
LA Herald, 10/27/1901


And another predecessor was:

https://i.postimg.cc/9QrmkSgH/527-SMain-LAT-2-23-02.jpg
LA Times, 2/23/1902


But these earlier concerns were in a structure which had been replaced by the time the Canton Cafe started business:

https://i.postimg.cc/5ygzsG7F/527-SMain-Her-1-1-04.jpg
LA Herald, 1/1/1904

AlvaroLegido Jun 14, 2020 5:31 PM

Canton sonic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8951378)
I don't believe that NLA has visited the Canton Cafe, which was at 527 S. Main for about a year, mostly or completely in 1911. It was accused of certain liquor law violations (selling booze without accompanying food, as well as to minors).
https://i.postimg.cc/rFhyQcJ9/527-SMain001.jpg
odinthor collection

The Canton Cafe had to be very noisy when the pianist (on the left) played. The hallway shape of the cafe and the tiles on the floor would make it very resonant and reverberate. Not very attractive to have a quiet lunch.

Scott Charles Jun 14, 2020 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8951298)
I remember Johnny Carson once saying he was in a film that was so bad, it was the only one ever transferred from safe film to highly flammable nitrocellulose.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Earl Boebert Jun 14, 2020 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8951192)
Interesting stuff, nealberke!

The tortoiseshell pickguards on Fender guitars used to be made of nitrocellulose back in the 60s.

[snip]

Fountain pens were made of it up to the early 1940's.

Cheers,

Earl

Lwize Jun 14, 2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8951378)
And another predecessor was:

https://i.postimg.cc/9QrmkSgH/527-SMain-LAT-2-23-02.jpg
LA Times, 2/23/1902

I had to look this up, since I'm not familiar with turn-of-the-other-century common ailments.

It seems they are referring to hernias, which were a taboo subject, and trusses were only a mechanical band-aid for the problem. People wanted a CURE!

nealberke Jun 15, 2020 3:54 AM

I hadn't heard the pick story in years. It makes sense now that we know what picks were made from.

Here's how Kodak and other makers of X-Ray and motion picture film stock made their products. This YouTube video filmed at Kodak Park, Rochester, New York was made in the 1920's and it is an eye opener. Bales of cotton are washed and then mixed with nitric acid and spun out, dried and washed again. With acid removed the treated cotton is mixed with methanol and made into "dope" that is put on wheels to make film base. Kodak's plant used 12 million gallons of water a day pumped in from Lake Ontario, 6 miles from the plant then discharged wastewater containing acid and other wastes into the Genesee River. Workers were "protected" from nitric a acid fumes by a primitive suction system that collected the vapors and sent them to 366 foot high stacks. Protective gear was seemingly lacking. Where are the face sheilds for those working with acidified cotton? Why are some workers not protected from cotton dust? How did they keep the plant free of nitrocellulose dusts that could cause fires? Here's the link to the YOUTUBE.COM video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_dbAXUJaNA

Mstimc Jun 15, 2020 8:10 AM

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Mstimc Jun 15, 2020 8:13 AM

[QUOTE=odinthor;8951378]I don't believe that NLA has visited the Canton Cafe, which was at 527 S. Main for about a year, mostly or completely in 1911. It was accused of certain liquor law violations (selling booze without accompanying food, as well as to minors).

https://i.postimg.cc/rFhyQcJ9/527-SMain001.jpg
odinthor collection

I wonder what accounts for the odd shape of the interior space, evidently narrowing (or shifting?) towards the rear...?
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I love some of the furniture pieces in this photo. The Chinese-style benches on the right are gorgeous and show the Asian-inspired roots of the Craftsman style in the flow the arms. And the Art Nouveau plant stands have great lines.

bboyelsereno Jun 15, 2020 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8950866)
I'm thinking it's the corner of Lowell(and Concord) and Alhambra, it's now the El Sereno Arroyo Playground. Here's the aerial via FrameFinder from May 1960:
https://i.postimg.cc/PxjN1Tkd/Annota...-13-133841.jpg

Yep. Our house is located on the hill in the background.

ethereal_reality Jun 15, 2020 8:51 PM

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Here is another Edward Weston photograph that I thought you might like to see.

It shows half a log cabin on the backlot of 20th Century Fox in 1940.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/N1Zdox.jpg
sotheby's

It's rather strange how the cabin is sliced off at the top. It gives the impression the cabin is superimposed.






Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/OpcVkF.jpg
sotheby's

I believe the large building between the partitions is the back side of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.


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Albany NY Jun 15, 2020 10:03 PM

Painting?
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8952466)
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Here is another Edward Weston photograph that I thought you might like to see.

It shows half a log cabin on the backlot of 20th Century Fox in 1940.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/N1Zdox.jpg
sotheby's

It's rather strange how the cabin is sliced off at the top. It makes the cabin superimposed.






Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/OpcVkF.jpg
sotheby's

I believe the large building between the partitions is the back side of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.


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If I'm not mistaken, it looks as if the wall of the cabin is simply a painting on a flat surface, while the "porch" seems to be real. Notice how the shadows on the window and door are from a different direction than the shadows around the porch and railing. Just a guess.

odinthor Jun 15, 2020 10:24 PM

The architect Edward Neisser (sometimes erroneously spelled "Neissen" elsewhere) was mentioned in the clipping pertaining to the building the Canton Cafe was in.

On a whim, I thought it might be interesting to look at some of his work. And so, in no particular order:

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2116 Portland Street:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRjYTrdt/Neisse...ortland-St.jpg
GSV

https://i.postimg.cc/d1WvMwbJ/Neisse...and-St-txt.jpg
source credit in image

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2624 Van Buren:

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq20JK24/Neisse...-7-26-1903.jpg
GSV

Neisser is listed in the LA Herald of 7/26/1903 as the architect for this residence.

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"West side of Burlington avenue, between Ninth and Tenth":

https://i.postimg.cc/7hTRB4Ds/Neisse...ington-Her.jpg
LA Herald, 5/4/1901

https://i.postimg.cc/Bt9Vkznq/Neisse...-5-4-1901a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wTDqM8JQ/Neisse...-5-4-1901b.jpg
LA Herald, 5/4/1901

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348 South Boyle:

https://i.postimg.cc/HkHp7Z9D/Neisser-Her-9-27-03.jpg
GSV

https://i.postimg.cc/0NyPVz4V/Neisser-Her-9-27-1903.jpg
LA Herald, 9/27/1903

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131-133 South Los Angeles Street:

https://i.postimg.cc/R0p9yM54/Neisse...-7-27-1902.jpg
LA Times, 7/27/1902

badrunner Jun 16, 2020 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8952466)

Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/OpcVkF.jpg
sotheby's

I believe the large building between the partitions is the back side of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.


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And city hall on the left. That's an interesting pic. I never really thought of Century City being on a hill. That photo must have been taken somewhere in this vicinity: https://goo.gl/maps/mM9n2Hn2vKG4hgej9

ethereal_reality Jun 16, 2020 6:59 AM

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Hay & Van Vranken....and... Norton & Hay

"William H. Hay(1864-1946) developed and subdivided Encino, San Fernando Valley, and West Hollywood.

One of his partners was C.E. Norton, another D.A. Van Vranken."




"Two original photographs from the 1900s showing the businesses of William Hamilton Hay and various partners in land development."

Let's look at the amazing exterior photograph of 'Hay and Van Vranken' first.... As you can see the storefront is adorned with bunting, flags and a large photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/gApyIp.jpg
eBay

The eBay seller says the decorations are in honor of President Mckinley after his assassination in 1901....Holy Toledo! This must be a rare photograph!




The 2nd photograph shows the interior of 'Norton & Hay'.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/R78hwK.jpg
eBay

The odd angles and shadows in the upper right remind me of a German Expressionist film set.

The seller mentions the huge map of Los Angeles on the left wall. (she wishes she owned it) ....Me too!

And here is a closer look at the sign propped up on the floor.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/hEGW9e.jpg
DETAIL

The address is. . either. . 315 or 318 West Third Street.

As far as I know the address of 'Hay & Van Vranken' (top photo) is unknown.


LINK
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Mstimc Jun 16, 2020 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8952570)

Great to see the houses so well-preserved, even if the curtains in the South Boyle house are a bit incongruous...

Noir_Noir Jun 16, 2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8952914)

Let's look at the amazing exterior photograph of 'Hay and Van Vranken' first.... As you can see the storefront is adorned with bunting, flags and a large photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/gApyIp.jpg
eBay


The seller mentions the huge map of Los Angeles on the left wall. (she wishes she owned it) ....Me too!


As far as I know the address of 'Hay & Van Vranken' (top photo) is unknown.




https://i.imgur.com/yInmhYB.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald 27 April 1902

HossC Jun 16, 2020 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8952914)

And here is a closer look at the sign propped up on the floor.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/hEGW9e.jpg
DETAIL

The address is. . either. . 315 or 318 West Third Street.

The CDs of 1904 to 1906 list Norton & Hay at 318 W 3rd Street.

GaylordWilshire Jun 16, 2020 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8952570)
The architect Edward Neisser (sometimes erroneously spelled "Neissen" elsewhere) was mentioned in the clipping pertaining to the building the Canton Cafe was in.

"West side of Burlington avenue, between Ninth and Tenth":

https://i.postimg.cc/0y4HnMGy/meyer933smaller-bmp.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/Bt9Vkznq/Neisse...-5-4-1901a.jpg
LA Herald, 5/4/1901


Louis Meyer's brother Alexander--they were principals in Meyer Bros, wholesale milliners—had recently moved into 937 S Burlington next door...a new house he'd just bought from developer George W. Stimson. (Neisser also built a store building for the Meyers on Broadway between 5th & 6th sts. in 1903-- haven't dig for a picture of it.) Both 933 and 937 were demo'ed in 1968.

The owner cited on the 1968 demo permits is the Olympian Motor Hotel, around the corner at 1903 W Olympic, which was apparently seeking parking space and which I don't think we've seen before. (The Bonnie Brae Apartments at 930 S Bonnie Brae weren't built until 1972--the sites of the Meyer bro's houses seem to be part of that building's parking lot.)


https://i.postimg.cc/xjbj3MKc/olympianthen-bmp.jpgLAPL

https://i.postimg.cc/Rh1jbSSb/olympiannow-bmp.jpgLAPL

https://i.postimg.cc/5txqwfT2/olympbroch1-bmp.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/FsyTcCzG/olympbroch3-bmp.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YC7ysKZJ/olympbroch4-bmp.jpg
Pinterest

https://i.postimg.cc/SsbXWdJ7/olympianashtray-bmp.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality Jun 17, 2020 3:35 AM

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I have always had an interest in cheesy motel bars (no doubt from watching too many episodes of Mannix and Cannon growing up)
It seems that motel bars are, more often than not, havens for dirty deals and prostitution. (I watched too many episodes of The Rockford Files too)

The interior of the Olympia Motor Hotel's Zodiac Room in GW's brochure caught my eye.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/bOdOev.jpg
DETAIL

^ ^ note the wide-screen tv.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/M9WicJ.jpg
matchbook / ebay


I was surprised to find out the Zodiac Room had its own large neon sign. (see below)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/61jWyL.jpg
heather david/flickr

The stylized 'Grecian' lettering is έπακρο! ............................................(GREAT!)

Luckily, the sign was saved from a scrap heap by one Eric Lynxwiler and it can now be found at the Museum of Neon Art in nearby Glendale.


My question is:
Where was the Zodiac Room sign in situ? Was it above the entrance to the bar?
I don't recall seeing it in any vintage photographs of the place. (probably because I wasn't looking for it)



Thanks odinthor for leading us here in a round-a-bout way. (and of couse GW too)
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ScottyB Jun 17, 2020 6:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8953911)
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I have always had an interest in cheesy motel bars (no doubt from watching too many episodes of Mannix and Cannon growing up)
It seems that motel bars are, more often than not, havens for dirty deals and prostitution. (I watched too many episodes of The Rockford Files too)

The interior of the Olympia Motor Hotel's Zodiac Room in GW's brochure caught my eye.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/bOdOev.jpg
DETAIL

^ ^ note the wide-screen tv.





Thanks odinthor for leading us here in a round-a-bout way. (and of couse GW too)
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"Dignity" was certainly the first word that came to my mind.....great brochure, GW!


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