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GaylordWilshire Sep 5, 2018 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8304278)
I originally posted a modified version of this image in post #27557 to celebrate 8 million views. It clearly shows one of the columns in the foyer of the RKO Theatre in 1931. There are also references to Vaudeville acts.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...audeville1.jpg
Huntington Digital Library



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8303985)
Thank you so much Noir Noir. :)

I happened upon this photograph while trying to establish a connection between Phil LaToska and the vaudeville scene in downtown Los Angeles.

https://s22.postimg.cc/xdg8n7s2p/rkotheatre1.jpg
Vili Flik

As you can see, the theater is advertised as "The Only Theatre in Los Angeles KO(?) Vaudeville."

#1 Does anyone know what theater this is? (the best clue is probably the Corinthian column on the left)

#2 Is the little girl, third from the left, a very young Judy Garland? I ask because the sign says 'GARLAND'
...and she kind of looks like a miniature Judy.

photo found HERE


Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8304216)
KO was the Keith Orpheum, a vaudeville circuit. The Los Angeles theater was the Orpheum which had formerly been the Grand Opera House. It was leased by the Keith Orpheum Circuit in 1894 . The circuit later became Radio Keith Orpheum, or RKO in about 1928. Spacing of the lettering in the part of the vaudeville sign would indicate that the letter "R" for radio preceded the K and O, so the date would have been some time after 1928.



I saw that picture, Hoss, but didn't see a match in the columns...but...there are ads that indicate that both pics are of the same theater. The first, advertising "The Flood," is from the Times of March 14, 1931. An ad from the Times of August 30, 1930, mentions "Ladies Must Play" and Mickey McGuire, whose act seems to be advertised behind the two girls in the middle of that pic.... The third ad, from September 3, 1930, might suggest why the "Ladies" ad seems to have been shoved over.... (The theater seems to have started out as the Orpheum Hillstreet, then became the RKO Theatre, then became the RKO Hillstreet....)


https://s22.postimg.cc/y8bz0t701/rkofloodad.bmp.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/x0ouherwx/rko1.pnghttps://s22.postimg.cc/i60932xpt/rko3.bmp.jpg

Martin Pal Sep 5, 2018 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8303476)
Happy Anniversary to the City of Los Angeles, officially founded September 4, 1781...
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I remember L.A. having a Bicentennial Celebration on September 4, 1981, for the city and mother nature responded with an earthquake that day, prompting the L.A. Times headline (the next day?): "L.A.'s Birthday Quake". (Or something like that.)

I think I have some commemorative coins that were sold for the occasion.
____________________________________________________

EDIT:

If you search "Los Angeles Bicentennial Coins" you'll see photos of them from auction sites.
Leave out "coins" in the search and you'll find other things I didn't know about. Apparently there was
a very limited "Los Angeles Bicentennial portfolio of prints" (around 500) that were done by prominent
artists. I don't know if one could buy them individually.

Two examples:
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/4774/6914478_7.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/i...b6515891ab.jpg

If you want to see these depictions of Los Angeles, the only place I could find photos of all 17 of them was on the iCollector auction site, where one of these portfolios was sold for $5,000 (plus a $1,125 buyer's premium). 15 of them were signed by the artists, however. The artists were: David Hockney, Ed Ruscha, Wayne Thiebaud, Saul Bass, Helen Lundberg, Charles White, Milton Glaser, Deborah Sussman, Raymond Saunders, Marvin Rubin, Takenobu Igaraski, William Crutchfield, Carlos Diniz, Betye Saar, Ken Parkhurst, Carlos Almaraz and John Follis.

http://www.icollector.com/Various-Ar...ts-17_i6914478
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KCET has a 2014 posted piece about the L.A. Bicentennial.

https://www.kcet.org/kcet-50th-anniv...s-bicentennial

Some of it:

The anniversary concluded a year-long celebration of the city and its heritage.

The Los Angeles 200 Committee consisted of 44 community leaders, civic figures, and businesspeople who planned the Bicentennial festivities. On the anniversary date, they dedicated a Bicentennial Plaque and time capsule at the former location of the Angels Flight Railway, near 3rd Street and Grand Avenue.

A number of events were staged from September 1980 to September 1981, with mayor Tom Bradley present at many of them, as a city long accused of not having a history explicitly celebrated it.

The celebrations were also a rehearsal of sorts for the upcoming Olympic games, which would take place less than three years after the Bicentennial.

The city's 200th anniversary even had its own slogan, "L.A.'s the pLAce," and its own logo, a stylized angel figure with a multicolored rainbow design over its head, symbolizing the City of the Angels and its cultural diversity. The logo and slogan was seen all over the city and in commemorative merchandise.

The Los Angeles Dodgers wore the bicentennial logo on the sleeves of their uniforms for the duration of the 1981 Major League Baseball season. Incidentally, the team went on to win its fifth World Series championship in October, defeating the New York Yankees in six games.

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I don't recall knowing about that time capsule. I'm a bit confused, the article says it was located near 3rd and Grand Ave., but a 2017 article in L.A. Mag says there was a 1976 Bicentennial capsule that was "reburied" at Angels Flight, 351 Hill St, Los Angeles, CA. So are these two separate time capsules or the 1976 one was moved to the new Angel's Flight location, which was not there in 1981, am I correct. That info says it's to be opened on the "city's" tricentennial. :shrug:

By the way, that L.A. Mag article is titled:

The Locations of 15 Time Capsules Hidden Throughout L.A.
Guarantee you’ve walked right over a few of these
by Emily Ayers - March 3, 2017

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/...s-los-angeles/

It's worth a read and quite fascinating, including this intriguing one: Underground Garage Pershing Square.
It says it was put there in 1950 and not much is known about it other than whatever is inside it weighs about 225 pounds.

Anyone go missing around 1950?

And the piece has this astute observation:

Here’s the funny thing about time capsules. People forget about them. They go through the trouble of making them, and there’s a ceremony, and a plaque, and then time happens. Because we love time capsules and the earnest and sometimes unintentionally funny way that they capture an era, we are bringing these 16 to light so that they may never be forgotten.

[FYI: The above paragraph says "16" time capsules and the article title says 15 locations. That's because one location has two of them.]


Quote:

The city's 200th anniversary had its own logo, a stylized angel figure with a multicolored rainbow design over its head, symbolizing the City of the Angels and its cultural diversity.
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https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/...centennial.jpgKCET


Quote:

The Los Angeles Dodgers wore the bicentennial logo on the sleeves of their uniforms for the duration of the 1981 Major League Baseball season.
____________________________________________________

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4074/4...abeef9e0_m.jpgJerry Reuss/Flickr

A photo of Tommy Lasorda with the patch on his sleeve.
(Talking to Fernando Valenzuela.)

http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/6/2.../640x0/cut.jpgCBS

Handsome Stranger Sep 5, 2018 5:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8304331)
I saw that picture, Hoss, but didn't see a match in the columns...but...there is this ad from the Times of August 30, 1930, mentioning "Ladies Must Play"...

Yes. The ovular poster in the background behind the girls is advertising Ladies Must Play (1930), starring Dorothy Sebastian (whose name can just barely be read in the photo).

BDiH Sep 6, 2018 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8304331)
I saw that picture, Hoss, but didn't see a match in the columns...but...there are ads that indicate that both pics are of the same theater. The first, advertising "The Flood," is from the Times of March 14, 1931. An ad from the Times of August 30, 1930, mentions "Ladies Must Play" and Mickey McGuire, whose act seems to be advertised behind the two girls in the middle of that pic.... The third ad, from September 3, 1930, might suggest why the "Ladies" ad seems to have been shoved over.... (The theater seems to have started out as the Orpheum Hillstreet, then became the RKO Theatre, then became the RKO Hillstreet....)


https://s22.postimg.cc/y8bz0t701/rkofloodad.bmp.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/x0ouherwx/rko1.pnghttps://s22.postimg.cc/i60932xpt/rko3.bmp.jpg

And, of course, Mickey McGuire eventually became Mickey Rooney.

Tourmaline Sep 6, 2018 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8304331)
An ad from the Times of August 30, 1930, mentions "Ladies Must Play" and Mickey McGuire, whose act seems to be advertised behind the two girls in the middle of that pic.... The third ad, from September 3, 1930, might suggest why the "Ladies" ad seems to have been shoved over.... (The theater seems to have started out as the Orpheum Hillstreet, then became the RKO Theatre, then became the RKO Hillstreet....)


https://s22.postimg.cc/x0ouherwx/rko1.png

"In person, on the stage."
Mickey McGuire, a/k/a Joe Yule Jr., a/k/a Mickey Rooney. http://ourgang.wikia.com/wiki/Mickey....jpg=undefined

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/bca...d&odnBg=ffffffhttps://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/bca...d&odnBg=ffffff
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130324045443https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130324045443

Mickey and Colleen Moore
http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...leen-moore.jpghttp://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...leen-moore.jpg

'30 Census reportedly lists his family (Yule) at 762 Marathon Street. Mickey and (then) wife Barbara, were listed in '45 Van Nuys CD at 4410 Densmore Avenue.

:previous: 762 Marathon Street was/is located near the LACC campus at Vermont. Marathon may be more familiar as a location for Paramount Famous Players Lasky (5451 Marathon Street)

1930
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...512&DMY=512&DM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...=0&DMY=1024&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...12&DMY=1024&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...coll65/id/4374



http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=5120&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...32&DMY=5120&DM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=5632&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...32&DMY=5632&DM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=6144&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...32&DMY=6144&DM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...20&DMY=6656&DMhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...32&DMY=6656&DM

ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 1:31 AM

:previous: After 50 years...pretty much nothing has changed in this view. AMAZING!

F.Y.I. The house hanging off the hill (is there a formal name for these houses on stilts?)
was used in the 1995 Robert DeNiro/Al Pacino film, 'HEAT' [dir. Michael Mann]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/9tmfPZ.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/1hv5Oj.jpgHEAT

Thanks Hoss!

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ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 1:36 AM

:previous:

from another angle. (would you live there?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/Qopc7f.jpg
socaldaily

1219 Dodds Circle [Boyle Heights/City Terrace], East Los Angeles

CityBoyDoug Sep 6, 2018 3:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8303989)
April 7, 1947, Los Angeles Times:



I think this is a 1946 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible. Mr. Sarthou must have been driving too fast. The 1950 Sanborn Map
shows a warehouse at 115-117 N. Grand, so the numbers 117 may have been a casualty of the crash:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original

Those old Cadillacs were heavy cars. It hit the building in the proverbial sweet-spot and down she came. The Time Machine of this crash enabled Alvaro to see what he was missing of that street. Good for him.

This noirish car in good condition goes for about $99K in 2018.

https://images.luxify.com/resize?hei...314-156997.jpg
https://www.supercars.net

Lorendoc Sep 6, 2018 4:02 AM

The Auto Wheel
 
Having a few empty minutes at lunch, I decided to take a stab at finding the Auto Wheel.

I started with Noir_Noir's find of the parcel description from the Oxnard newspaper from a couple of pages ago. It connected Emma Diltz with land transactions from the late thirties, which contained two parcel locations: Lots 2 and 4 in Block 46, Thousand Oaks Tract.

I remembered the county property bureaucracy from when I was looking for the Lookout Mountain Inn, and hoped that Ventura County would have the same system. It does. After three phone calls, I reached someone in the map department at the recorder's office. They said that the county had been resurveyed and remapped many times since 1937 and would call me back if they found anything. I didn't expect a response, but 30 minutes later my cell's caller ID showed "Ventura County" was calling. The person couldn't find lot 4, but said they found that lot 2 corresponded to what is now 1350 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd. They thought that Lot 4 would be nearby. This is a bit to the east of the area mentioned by Tourmaline, BillinGlendaleCAand Scott Charles a few days ago.


https://i.imgur.com/XTpNdo0.jpg
Google

I was able to find two UCSB aerials (from 1947 and 1952) of the general area. Each contains a light-colored building that might be a motel (or chicken house?)

1947:
https://i.imgur.com/F4ctubK.jpg
UCSB

1952:
https://i.imgur.com/OBUahWI.jpg
UCSB

Both show what is now N Rancho Road coming down from the top middle of the frame south to TO Blvd (then called Ventura Blvd). The Google map shows a gas station at the NE corner of Rancho and TO, I wonder if it is somehow a descendant of the Auto Wheel.

The deed index for Ventura County is online and there are about a dozen transactions between various Diltz's and banks, the state etc. between 1927 and 1944. I am sure these deeds contain enough information to locate the Auto Wheel beyond dispute; the person from the map office said it is indeed possible for title companies to find the modern parcel that exactly overlays those old lot descriptions. Just takes $ :D

CityBoyDoug Sep 6, 2018 4:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8304887)
:previous:

from another angle. (would you live there?)
1219 Dodds Circle [Boyle Heights/City Terrace], East Los Angeles

I don't think so.

ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 4:42 AM

Me neither

I would think of that scene in Earthquake [1974] where the stilt houses collapse and tumble down the hill with that poor man.



Glen Robinson and crew working on the models for the movie Earthquake. [c.1973]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/RLmYjY.jpg
nzpetesmatteshots

of course these are models of the stilt houses in Coldwater Canyon*....not the one at 1219 Dobbs Circle.

*or Beverly Glen

ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 5:04 AM

Okay, this fun. :)

"Robert and Dennis Skotak provide nuclear devastation for TERMINATOR 2 - JUDGEMENT DAY" (1991)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/CxLnMs.jpg
nzpetesmatteshots

I believe that's supposed to be the Statler Hilton over on the right. ;)

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HossC Sep 6, 2018 2:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8303989)

In this photo of the police investigating the accident, we see the St. Omer at 123 N. Grand on the north side of the warehouse:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrutubhvm.jpg

Islandora/UCLA/LA Daily News Negatives

I wasn't too familiar with this area, so I looked up some aerial views. This one from August 14, 1941 appears to show the same buildings as the picture above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ndHope1941.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

At the top of the picture, the large U-shaped building next to Engine House 16 doesn't show up on the 1921 Baist map, and I wasn't sure if we'd seen it before. This is the most you can see of it in the photos of the engine house.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tationNo16.jpg
www.lafire.com

The CDs gave me a name of the Civic Center Apartments at 143 N Hope Street. Of course, I may have missed them in my search of NLA because of the name. The photo below is dated circa 1955.

Looking southwest across the intersection of N. Hope Street (running from left to right) and Court Street (lower right) showing an Italian style brick apartment building at 140 [sic] N. Hope Street. This structure was later demolished.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HopeCourt1.jpg
LAPL

For completeness, here's the small house across the street, also from circa 1955. It appears to be unchanged from the 1941 aerial.

Looking southeast across the intersection of N. Hope Street (running from lower left to middle right) and Court Street (running from lower right to middle left), showing a small house at 146-146 1/2 N. Hope Street and several cars parked in a lot surrounding it. Some neighboring apartment buildings, at 622 Court Street (left) and at 134-136 N. Hope Street (right), are also visible. All of these structures have been demolished.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HopeCourt2.jpg
LAPL

NB. The building permits site is temporarily unavailable, so I can't check when the Civic Center Apartments were built/demolished.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 6, 2018 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8305032)
Having a few empty minutes at lunch, I decided to take a stab at finding the Auto Wheel.

I started with Noir_Noir's find of the parcel description from the Oxnard newspaper from a couple of pages ago. It connected Emma Diltz with land transactions from the late thirties, which contained two parcel locations: Lots 2 and 4 in Block 46, Thousand Oaks Tract.

I remembered the county property bureaucracy from when I was looking for the Lookout Mountain Inn, and hoped that Ventura County would have the same system. It does. After three phone calls, I reached someone in the map department at the recorder's office. They said that the county had been resurveyed and remapped many times since 1937 and would call me back if they found anything. I didn't expect a response, but 30 minutes later my cell's caller ID showed "Ventura County" was calling. The person couldn't find lot 4, but said they found that lot 2 corresponded to what is now 1350 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd. They thought that Lot 4 would be nearby. This is a bit to the east of the area mentioned by Tourmaline, BillinGlendaleCAand Scott Charles a few days ago.


Both show what is now N Rancho Road coming down from the top middle of the frame south to TO Blvd (then called Ventura Blvd). The Google map shows a gas station at the NE corner of Rancho and TO, I wonder if it is somehow a descendant of the Auto Wheel.

The deed index for Ventura County is online and there are about a dozen transactions between various Diltz's and banks, the state etc. between 1927 and 1944. I am sure these deeds contain enough information to locate the Auto Wheel beyond dispute; the person from the map office said it is indeed possible for title companies to find the modern parcel that exactly overlays those old lot descriptions. Just takes $ :D

I know that part of town extremely well, I grew up in the development north of there. The location of the Chevron station was an empty lot for a long time, I think until the mid 70's. There was a Shell station on the NW corner of TO Blvd and Rancho. Next to the empty lot at the corner was a very early Sizzler(I think it was their 2nd location). Here's a picture of the area from 1962:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1880/...242f8fc0_b.jpgEpsonScan-140908-418.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

You can see the Sizzler on the right(across it's parking lot to the east was a telephone messaging service) and the location of the current Chevron station behind the cars on the left. I don't remember what was on the other corners, but there was a furniture store(Reed's) across from the Sizzler on the corner of TO and Cunningham which had an uncontrolled access to the 101 until they built the 23 freeway in the late 60's. There was a motor cycle shop that was close to the corner on the west side of Rancho. The thing that lead me to the Ventu Park location was Scott Charles' aunt saying that the location was displaced by the 101. There were quite a few businesses that were displaced further west on TO Blvd by the construction of the 23 freeway(the Rock House and E&K Market).

HossC Sep 6, 2018 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8305069)

Okay, this fun. :)

"Robert and Dennis Skotak provide nuclear devastation for TERMINATOR 2 - JUDGEMENT DAY" (1991)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/CxLnMs.jpg
nzpetesmatteshots

I believe that's supposed to be the Statler Hilton over on the right. ;)

Despite all the work that went into this model, it gets about two seconds of screen time, and that's cropped and mirrored!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...dgmentDay1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...dgmentDay2.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...dgmentDay3.jpg
All Carolco Pictures

ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 4:07 PM

:previous: That's it? No Statler Hilton? Hoss





Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

What is in the back window of the car down the street? (circled in red above)



Is this the police car:shrug:.....because it looks like a BULLET HOLE.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/XIub3T.jpg
DETAIL

or should I chalk [pun intended] it up to my noirish imagination again?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/2lBwUH.jpg
detail



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ethereal_reality Sep 6, 2018 5:01 PM

I've had this photograph in one of my old files for a loong time.

It shows, what appears to be, an incline [with two rail cars] on the bluffs behind the two ladies.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/j0CIV8.jpg
EBAY

with this description.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/U1GsR9.jpg

Am I having a lapse in memory? I don't recall a rail incline at Pacific Palisades.

I know that the highway that slopes down to connect with PCH is often called the 'California Incline'
but the rail-type of incline doesn't ring a bell except for Angels Flight and Court Flight downtown.
(and I believe there once was an incline on Catalina as well)



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Flyingwedge Sep 6, 2018 5:36 PM

:previous:

That's Playa del Rey, not Pacific Palisades. Below the red dot is 200 Montreal Street, seen in the vintage photo on the hillside
above the woman on the left. I believe the two rail cars were named Alphonse and Gaston.

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psgz3kuzxw.jpg

GSV Nov 2017

odinthor Sep 6, 2018 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8305551)
[…] (and I believe there once was an incline on Catalina as well)



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e_r, Catalina put the fun in funicular!

https://s26.postimg.cc/9gdmqg3rd/Fun1.jpg
odinthor collection and http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal24.html

and

https://s26.postimg.cc/cn86a3bcp/Fun2.jpg
odinthor collection and http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal24.html

SHERIFFPAUL Sep 6, 2018 7:32 PM

Ambassador Hotel 1937
 
The Ambassador Hotel would be the site of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination. The hotel was demolished in 2005 and the site is now home to the Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools.

https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_i...rop&crop=faces

Courtesy Ranker.com


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