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CityBoyDoug Dec 3, 2019 3:12 PM

https://66.media.tumblr.com/55ffaf39...anuo1_1280.jpg
Nina L.


Herbert's.....Los Angeles...1945

GaylordWilshire Dec 3, 2019 7:04 PM

There have naturally been dozens of posts about the Garden of Allah (née the Garden of Alla). But before there was the West Hollywood incarnation--there seems to have been a couple of others. On Sept 4, 1921, the Times ran a item about an elaborate "novel café" by that name to be built on Western Avenue between Marathon and Melrose, pic & article below.... I didn't dig into whether it ever got built. But my big question has to do with the Garden of Allah Hotel that occupied the Hook-Holliday house at 1386 W Adams at the sec corner of Vermont from 1921 or so until 1926--the year Alla Nazimova began putting together her G of Alla, which had its opening in Jan 1927. The Adams Street G of A became the Adams Hotel for a few years before the house was demolished by Cecil B. De Mille--he bought the corner as an investment and built a very good-looking store building on the site that lasted until 1985 (see below).

Dinner for 100 of your closest friends at Romanoffs or Perinos and a lifetime pass to Mocambo if anyone can find an image of the house that traction magnate William S. Hook and his wife Mary built at 1386 W Adams 1900-02. Locke & Munsell (predecessor of Hudson & Munsell) may have been the architects. It wasn't a small or inconspicuous house--but I've looked high and low for something, anything, photo, drawing, but no luck.

HossC? Flyingwedge?


The Hook-Hollidayhouse/Garden of Allah Hotel is on the lower right corner near center image from 1928):
https://i.postimg.cc/bwZQdvKg/WAD138...ialsmaller.jpg
UCSB aerials

The De Mille store building sec Adams & Vermont January 1932:
https://i.postimg.cc/3xtwvCHQ/WAD138...ams-Vt-bmp.jpg
USCDL


Times, Sept 4, 1921 re the possible Western Ave G of A:
https://i.postimg.cc/sD4Tr15N/Garden...1921-1-bmp.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/NM8HH2Gh/Garden...mplarticle.jpg

odinthor Dec 3, 2019 9:00 PM

:previous:

Is this what you're looking for (the Hook house on W. Adams)?

https://i.postimg.cc/T2gMMqGB/Hook8-23-25.jpg
LA Times 8/23/1925, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2019 9:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8765046)

It looks like the blind squirrel might have found an acorn!

You sure did, Bristolian!

You earn a :worship: emoji.

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GaylordWilshire Dec 3, 2019 10:44 PM

Well, no, but thank you odinthor. That is Wm. S. Hook Jr.'s house. He bought 2155 West Adams and moved it a block east to become 2055 West Adams at St. Andrews--remodeling the building extensively. His parents lived at 1386 West Adams, which is my quarry.


My stories on 2155 and 2055, in the process of being updated:

2155:
https://adamsboulevardlosangeles.blo...ease-also.html

2055--the one in your picture:
https://adamsboulevardlosangeles.blo...ease-also.html


Quote:

Originally Posted by ;8765739
:previous:

Is this what you're looking for (the Hook house on W. Adams)?

https://i.postimg.cc/T2gMMqGB/Hook8-23-25.jpg
LA Times 8/23/1925, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library


CaliNative Dec 3, 2019 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8764448)
https://66.media.tumblr.com/15cf45a4...rjpo1_1280.jpg
whittington

Wilshire Boulevard and Fairfax Avenue
Los Angeles, c. 1939

^^^

Looks like the Edward Hopper painting "Nighthawks", but set in an L.A. drive-in instead of a lonely diner in some unidentified eastern U.S. city.

odinthor Dec 4, 2019 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6964549)
A quick Google found no previous mentions of the Pacific Hospital. It first appears in the 1900/01 CD at 1319 South Grand Avenue, and stays in the listings until 1929 (although the address changes to 1329 S Grand between 1911 and 1915). Did the coming of the much larger California Medical Building/California Hospital on the Hope Street side of the same block spell the end for the Pacific Hospital? I don't know what happened in the 1930s, but 1329 S Grand is listed under 'Automobile Parking' in the 1942 CD. The postmark dates this postcard at 1911.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...cHospital1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...cHospital2.jpg
eBay

Here's an article about the hospital's opening from the December 22, 1899 edition of the Los Angeles Herald. I love the line about how it's "so nearly perfect in all its appointments and so attractive in finish and finishings, it almost robs surgical operations of their terror and makes illness attractive."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
California Digital Newspaper Collection

*******

Have we had another angle on the building in the background of the above postcard?

https://i.postimg.cc/mgV2QJwG/1319-S...Her-3-1-15.jpg
LA Herald 3/1/1915

https://i.postimg.cc/WzMstH3C/1319-S...Her-3-1-15.jpg
LA Herald 3/1/1915

ethereal_reality Dec 4, 2019 2:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8763490)
Another Tucker 48 sighting captured on camera in Los Angeles.

It's March 1952 and the car is in for a repaint job at an auto body shop somewhere in North Hollywood.

https://i.imgur.com/0LZAiKI.jpg
forums.aaca.org
____________________________________________________________________________________________

I am still puzzled about the location of this fantastic snapshot posted by Noir Noir.


Here's another snapshot taken that same day in March of 1952.

...........................................................................................Note the man pretending to be a hood ornament. (I didn't notice him at first)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/8mBEF3.jpg
. . .from the LINK Noir Noir provided us.

"My dad, Alwin Twitchell, is the 'hood ornament' in the this photograph. The story was that 'Madman Muntz' had the car painted
and the car was about to be returned to his used car lot. Price was like $1995 or so. photos are dated march 1952.
No idea what number car it is... or its color."


from mrspeedyyt


Here's all I've got, folks.

Could the Safeway in this photograph [below] be the same Safeway in the Tucker pics?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SEPA8p.jpg
old post / ethereal_reality

North Hollywood Station....Safeway on Lankershim.....Looking East (?)

I guess it would depend on ....a couple things. umm... like...when Red Car service stopped. and..umm ...I forgot the second thing.




The photos make me wonder how many Safeway stores were/are located in North Hollywood. Could this have been the only Safeway location within North Hollywood. :shrug:

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ethereal_reality Dec 4, 2019 8:21 AM

A mystery.

rppc Los Angeles house. ...Postmark 1939.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/yk8Udc.jpg
ebay

I thought someone here on NLA might recognize this Los Angeles home because of its highly unusual full circle porch opening.


I really don't like it....It reminds me of a giant gloryhole. :uhh:...(Did I just say that out loud?)

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ethereal_reality Dec 4, 2019 8:40 AM

This snapshot might not compared with Aunt Dorothy's Tucker but it's interesting, nonetheless.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/NM6Wp7.jpg
old file / found on eBay.


"Alicia and beautiful Ethereal (aw shucks :coolugh: . . .Its first Trip." (somewhere in Los Angeles)

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CaliNative Dec 4, 2019 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8766090)
I am still puzzled about the location of this fantastic snapshot posted by Noir Noir.


Here's another snapshot taken that same day in March of 1952.

...........................................................................................Note the man pretending to be a hood ornament. (I didn't notice him at first)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/8mBEF3.jpg
. . .from the LINK Noir Noir provided us.

"My dad, Alwin Twitchell, is the 'hood ornament' in the this photograph. The story was that 'Madman Muntz' had the car painted
and the car was about to be returned to his used car lot. Price was like $1995 or so. photos are dated march 1952.
No idea what number car it is... or its color."


from mrspeedyyt


Here's all I've got, folks.

Could the Safeway in this photograph [below] be the same Safeway in the Tucker pics?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SEPA8p.jpg
old post / ethereal_reality

North Hollywood Station....Safeway on Lankershim.....Looking East (?)

I guess it would depend on ....a couple things. umm... like...when Red Car service stopped. and..umm ...I forgot the second thing.




The photos make me wonder how many Safeway stores were/are located in North Hollywood. Could this have been the only Safeway location within North Hollywood. :shrug:

.

^^^
Yes, looking east. You can see the Verdugo Mountains above Burbank through the haze/smog. This pic location might have been along Chandler St. (the crossing diagonal street might be Lankershim), where one of the the rail lines was. Now used for the Orange line busway. The redline subway now ends near here, in the NoHo "arts district".

Safeways were pretty common in the Valley & elsewhere in SoCal through the 1960s. I remember several locations in the Valley when I was growing up. Sometime in the 1970s, the brand went away in SoCal. I believe some were converted to Vons. Luckys stores were also starting to appear in the 1970s (later coverted to Albertson's). Ralphs stores (now owned by Kroger) were also common. Does anybody know if L.A. ever had Piggly Wiggly stores? Common in the southeast. Piggly Wiggly was the first supermarket chain I believe. Proto-Costco type stores were also present in the 1960s--things like Fedmart. Akron stores were also around in the 1960s. Sold a lot of cheap imported stuff. Woolworth and Grant dime stores were still around, but getting a bit dated. Thrifty drugstores and Thriftymart general stores were everywhere too. Sears was still the #1 department store back then. Now look at it. How times change. VW beetles started to be commonly seen around 1960. By the late 1960s, the beetle was probably the most common car in So Cal., or at least in the top 5. In the 1970s, Japanese compacts replaced beetles as the popular imports, and fewer beetles were seen after 1980.

transitfan Dec 4, 2019 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8766341)
In the 1970s, Japanese compacts replaced beetles as the popular imports, and fewer beetles were seen after 1980.

IIRC, Volkswagen stopped production on the original Beetle in either 1979 or 1980. Of course, the new and improved Beetle returned in the mid-90s.

transitfan Dec 4, 2019 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8766090)
I am still puzzled about the location of this fantastic snapshot posted by Noir Noir.


Here's another snapshot taken that same day in March of 1952.

...........................................................................................Note the man pretending to be a hood ornament. (I didn't notice him at first)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/8mBEF3.jpg
. . .from the LINK Noir Noir provided us.

"My dad, Alwin Twitchell, is the 'hood ornament' in the this photograph. The story was that 'Madman Muntz' had the car painted
and the car was about to be returned to his used car lot. Price was like $1995 or so. photos are dated march 1952.
No idea what number car it is... or its color."


from mrspeedyyt


Here's all I've got, folks.

Could the Safeway in this photograph [below] be the same Safeway in the Tucker pics?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SEPA8p.jpg
old post / ethereal_reality

North Hollywood Station....Safeway on Lankershim.....Looking East (?)

I guess it would depend on ....a couple things. umm... like...when Red Car service stopped. and..umm ...I forgot the second thing.




The photos make me wonder how many Safeway stores were/are located in North Hollywood. Could this have been the only Safeway location within North Hollywood. :shrug:

.

IIRC, Red Car service to the San Fernando Valley ended sometime in 1952.

CityBoyDoug Dec 4, 2019 5:45 PM

exciting day in old LA
 
https://66.media.tumblr.com/756ce7c1...3dao1_1280.jpg
aiiaiiyo


Santa Fe diesel passenger locomotive hangs over Aliso St. after running off the end of its track at Union Station. Jan. 25, 1948.

odinthor Dec 4, 2019 6:17 PM

A quick check doesn't seem to turn up this image of the Gentleman's Grill at the Hotel Alexandria, which I recently acquired (I acquired the image, not the hotel).


https://i.postimg.cc/9XZgyv9n/Alex-Gent-Grill001.jpg
recto; odinthor collection


https://i.postimg.cc/YSNj62pS/Alex-Gent-Grillb001.jpg
verso; odinthor collection


Text: Gentlemen! This is a swell Hotel & I don't mind the price; feels funny not to have to go into saloons for business. Hoping you are busy[.] I am yours[,] Max"

CaliNative Dec 4, 2019 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8766631)
https://66.media.tumblr.com/756ce7c1...3dao1_1280.jpg
aiiaiiyo


Santa Fe diesel passenger locomotive hangs over Aliso St. after running off the end of its track at Union Station. Jan. 25, 1948.

^^^
Do you think they fired the engineer? Must have been drinking or sleeping. Or maybe the brakes went out?

CaliNative Dec 4, 2019 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8766341)
^^^
Yes, looking east. You can see the Verdugo Mountains above Burbank through the haze/smog. This pic location might have been along Chandler St. (the crossing diagonal street might be Lankershim), where one of the the rail lines was. Now used for the Orange line busway. The redline subway now ends near here, in the NoHo "arts district".

Safeways were pretty common in the Valley & elsewhere in SoCal through the 1960s. I remember several locations in the Valley when I was growing up. Sometime in the 1970s, the brand went away in SoCal. I believe some were converted to Vons. Luckys stores were also starting to appear in the 1970s (later coverted to Albertson's). Ralphs stores (now owned by Kroger) were also common. Does anybody know if L.A. ever had Piggly Wiggly stores? Common in the southeast. Piggly Wiggly was the first supermarket chain I believe. Proto-Costco type stores were also present in the 1960s--things like Fedmart. Akron stores were also around in the 1960s. Sold a lot of cheap imported stuff. Woolworth and Grant dime stores were still around, but getting a bit dated. Thrifty drugstores and Thriftymart general stores were everywhere too. Sears was still the #1 department store back then. Now look at it. How times change. VW beetles started to be commonly seen around 1960. By the late 1960s, the beetle was probably the most common car in So Cal., or at least in the top 5. In the 1970s, Japanese compacts replaced beetles as the popular imports, and fewer beetles were seen after 1980.

^^^
Did L.A. ever have any Piggly Wigglys?

ethereal_reality Dec 4, 2019 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8766666)
A quick check doesn't seem to turn up this image of the Gentleman's Grill at the Hotel Alexandria, which I recently acquired (I acquired the image, not the hotel).


https://i.postimg.cc/9XZgyv9n/Alex-Gent-Grill001.jpg
recto; odinthor collection

:previous: odinthor, I wonder if those elaborate floor sconces have somehow survived. I can imagine them ending up in an old Hollywood mansion. . .

or perhaps they're stacked up in a dark corner of the Alexander's basement.





As most of you know, we have visited the 'world famous' Alexandria Hotel numerous times in the early days of NLA.
In fact, I'm sure we have seen odinthor's postcard of the Gentleman's Grill. (it's great to see it again, odinthor)

By sheer coincidence, I happened upon a photograph of the Alexandria lobby that I don't believe we have seen. It shows the Alexander's remodeled lobby in 1941.

I can't tell you how much I love this photograph................................
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/NvDWo2.jpg
bizarrelosangeles

"This photograph was taken back when the Alexandria was a mid-priced hotel for businessman...after it had been stripped of its chandeliers, marble and other luxuries from the 1910s."
...from author

Two things that I find especially 'noirish' is the addition of the fluorescent(?) lights on the ceiling and the NEON signs advertising the various nightspots and watering holes within the hotel.

The Pompeian Room sign, which also advertises television, appears to point downstairs to a rough looking, utility door. (perhaps this entrance was added during the makeover of the lobby)

Hmmm.... "Television" in 1941? :shrug:

Sure enough, I dug up an old postcard of The Pompeian Room and it, too, advertises the 'Television'.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/3KCsXG.jpg.....................................................


Do you see it?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/YFPVmy.jpg
ebay / REPEAT for nla.

This is like the Where's Waldo? of televisions.

..It's hilariously small, especially for a cocktail lounge.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________








The neon sign at the far end of the lobby advertises another cocktali lounge located inside the hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vc5ikx.jpg
detail

The Masque Room, cocktails............................................................................................

...............................................https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/upc1ip.jpg


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ZsC5Ah.jpg
ebay / a repeat for nla.

The diagonial rail/banister makes me think the Masque Room might have been located downtairs as well. :shrug:


Does anyone know if the Alexander lobby was at street level or up a floor? I can't quite figure out how all different venues fit together.
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Bristolian Dec 5, 2019 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8766666)
A quick check doesn't seem to turn up this image of the Gentleman's Grill at the Hotel Alexandria, which I recently acquired (I acquired the image, not the hotel).


https://i.postimg.cc/9XZgyv9n/Alex-Gent-Grill001.jpg
recto; odinthor collection

I'm not familiar with the Gentleman's Grill but I have seen several venues around L.A. calling themselves "gentleman's clubs".
Is that the same kind of thing?

rick m Dec 5, 2019 12:56 AM

Reseda had a Piggly Wiggly---
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8766992)
^^^
Did L.A. ever have any Piggly Wigglys?

New to California in 1961- my cousins introduced me to this store nearby their home at N/E corner on Vanowen at White Oak-----

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2019 1:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8767060)
I'm not familiar with the Gentleman's Grill but I have seen several venues around L.A. calling themselves "gentleman's clubs".
Is that the same kind of thing?

Ha. Ha. ....:lmao:

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ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2019 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 8767080)
New to California in 1961- my cousins introduced me to this store nearby their home at N/E corner on Vanowen at White Oak-----

rick m, I believe you're remembering the 'Piggly Wiggly Continental' store in Encino.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/8ZMtXu.jpg
patch.com

From what I read, it was fancier than a normal Piggly Wiggly. I imagine that's why Continental added to the name.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/mwGcNf.jpg
reddit

You can read what made the 'Piggly Wiggly Continental' store special, HERE..."The Cheese Cave"..."Buttercup Bakery" (you can see the Buttercup Bakery sign in the photo above)

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HenryHuntington Dec 5, 2019 4:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transitfan (Post 8766509)
IIRC, Red Car service to the San Fernando Valley ended sometime in 1952.

_________________

Rail passenger service through North Hollywood ended on December 28, 1952.

Also, the service station building to the right of the Tucker would be occupying the location of PE's North Hollywood depot, which still stands (and was recently restored).

ScottyB Dec 5, 2019 6:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8763490)
Another Tucker 48 sighting captured on camera in Los Angeles.


It's March 1952 and the car is in for a repaint job at an auto body shop somewhere in North Hollywood.


https://i.imgur.com/0LZAiKI.jpg
forums.aaca.org



Also this blurry rear view shot taken at the same time. Sign to the right : _______ ______ Electric Co. First word possibly "Olympic". :shrug:


https://i.imgur.com/WBAsrjZ.jpg
forums.aaca.org

Can't believe this is No. Hollywood. Streets too steep, large mountains too close. Maybe Sierra Madre or Altadena. Was there a Safeway in Sierra Madre?

CityBoyDoug Dec 5, 2019 3:01 PM

https://66.media.tumblr.com/63cb4d79...ddwo1_1280.jpg
Paramount

This is ''Feet First" 1930. Much of this was filmed in Los Angeles.

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2019 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 8767238)

Also, the service station building to the right of the Tucker would be occupying the location of PE's North Hollywood depot, which still stands (and was recently restored).

Hi HH. I agree with you. I thought perhaps the N. Hollywood Station had been moved to its present location.



Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8767302)
Can't believe this is No. Hollywood. Streets too steep, large mountains too close. Maybe Sierra Madre or Altadena. Was there a Safeway in Sierra Madre?

I've been wondering the same thing. I'm exhausted looking for it in N. Hollywood.

Martin Pal Dec 5, 2019 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 8767080)
Reseda had a Piggly Wiggly---

New to California in 1961- my cousins introduced me to this store nearby their home at N/E corner on Vanowen at White Oak-----

Been here since the end of the seventies and I've never seen one nor heard any advertisements for one. The first I recall ever even hearing the name of those stores was in the 1989 Driving Miss Daisy film. :shrug:

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2019 5:02 PM

You want another mystery?...

This one is a doozy.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/BPnJzr.jpg
eBay SOLD

Well that about says it all.


Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/eBX0hR.jpg

I'd like to add one thing....If you look closely at the the top left-hand corner you can see a tower with an almost-onion dome and two tall chimneys.


Good Luck!...:whip2

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odinthor Dec 5, 2019 6:07 PM

Quoting a posting from a while back:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 5788246)
I just joined this forum to, first, say thank you to the contributors to the Noirish Los Angeles thread. I'm only about 1/6 of the way through (so many pictures, so little time!) and many questions about old "Lost" Angeles have been answered.

This thread even solved a great mystery that I never could figure out -- just exactly why the old Hall of Records was positioned on an odd angle to the rest of the Civic Center (old street alignment -- I never knew!).

One of my favorite old LA restaurants is of course Philippe's. I knew the restaurant had moved to it's present location on Ord Street due to the freeway expansion in the 40's/50's.
According to Wikipedia, there were a number of locations before the move to Ord:

300 N. Alameda (Philippe's 1908)
156 N. Spring (New Poodle Dog French restaurant 1911)
617 N. Alameda (1913)
246 Aliso St. (1918)
364 Aliso St. (1925)

The article also referred to this area as the "Frenchtown Neighborhood", which was razed for City Hall and freeway expansion.
Since I've only gone about 1/6 of the way through this thread, did any of you uncover pictures containing the early Philippe's locations and/or Frenchtown?
If not, can any pictures be unearthed? I've always wondered about the first Philippe's.

TIA. :)

Hmmm. How 'bout a pic of the New Poodle Dog French Restaurant?


https://i.postimg.cc/BQysdkSs/Poodle-Dog-PCrecto001.jpg
recto; odinthor collection


https://i.postimg.cc/YSRPwL6g/Poodle-Dog-PCverso001.jpg
verso; odinthor collection


There's a penciled "X" on the figure second from left, who going by his clothing would seem to be the manager.


Text (with some guesses): Where the cross is, that [sic] him. April 17th. This is where Papa and I had dinner after the luins [??? maybe trying to make an abbreviation for "business," and writing an "l" instead of a "b"?]. The man's place that has the lots next to Papa. M.


Address: Mary Frank. Mrs. Maurice Behan/306 - 2nd Ave./San Francisco/Cal.


The establishment seems to have opened for business about the last week of 1910 (as I'll indicate further in some clippings I'll post in due course...).

odinthor Dec 5, 2019 7:18 PM

On Poodle-Dog Restaurants, and/or their locations:

136 N. Spring was the well-known grocer Jevne's original location:

https://i.postimg.cc/qB249jtC/PoodleLAT5-12-07.jpg
LA Times 5/12/1907, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

A little about the building:

https://i.postimg.cc/FzN8tbqj/PoodleHer11-16-04.jpg
LA Herald 11/16/1904

There seems to have been a Poodle Dog eatery on E. 1st St., the cook of which had a canine adventure:

https://i.postimg.cc/m2Jxk9FG/PoodleLAT8-28-10.jpg
LA Times 8/28/1910, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

The New Poodle Dog Restaurant opened just in time for New Year's 1911 . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/wM4VWhdx/PoodleHer12-31-10.jpg
LA Herald 12/31/1910

But the rival Poodle Dog eatery continued on E. 1st. St., as this severely edited item indicates:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvwRVHs/PoodleLAT12-30-13.jpg
LA Times 12/20/1913, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

More adventures with Mr. Dunn of the 1st St. Poodle Dog:

https://i.postimg.cc/Bv8B68DR/PoodleLAT2-24-15.jpg
LA Times 2/24/1915, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

But Justice pursued. ("A year ago" in the second story is not quite right.) The 1st St. business seems to have been considered a "lunch counter":

https://i.postimg.cc/15GqvGc9/Poodle-LAT8-18-15.jpg
LA Times 8/18/1915, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

https://i.postimg.cc/tRDZKqn6/PoodleLAT8-24-15.jpg
LA Times 8/24/1915, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

Meantime, all was not well at the N. Spring St. Poodle Dog:

https://i.postimg.cc/Bv123rf0/PoodleHer7-29-15.jpg
LA Herald, 7/29/1915

CaliNative Dec 5, 2019 9:10 PM

[QUOTE=odinthor;8767850]On Poodle-Dog Restaurants, and/or their locations:

136 N. Spring was the well-known grocer Jevne's original location:

https://i.postimg.cc/qB249jtC/PoodleLAT5-12-07.jpg
LA Times 5/12/1907, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

A little about the building:

https://i.postimg.cc/FzN8tbqj/PoodleHer11-16-04.jpg
LA Herald 11/16/1904

There seems to have been a Poodle Dog eatery on E. 1st St., the cook of which had a canine adventure:

https://i.postimg.cc/m2Jxk9FG/PoodleLAT8-28-10.jpg
LA Times 8/28/1910, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

The New Poodle Dog Restaurant opened just in time for New Year's 1911 . . .


^^^
Naming a restaurant "Poodle Dog" might have been part of the problem. The French don't eat dogs (some cultures do), but still... Even worse, if they named if after a horse. Some French & Belgians do eat equines.

Lwize Dec 5, 2019 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8767733)

Huh. I guess Wikipedia can be flawed at times. They still show Poodle Dog at 156 N. Spring, not 136.

:)

Only took seven years... ;)

FredH Dec 5, 2019 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8767302)
Can't believe this is No. Hollywood. Streets too steep, large mountains too close. Maybe Sierra Madre or Altadena. Was there a Safeway in Sierra Madre?

https://i.imgur.com/0LZAiKI.jpg



ScottyB:

The Tucker was supposedly brought in for a paint job (don't do it) from Madman Muntz's car lot. From reading up on Muntz (interesting guy), it seems that his car lot was located in Glendale. Does anywhere around Glendale fit the bill for this photo?

BillinGlendaleCA Dec 5, 2019 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=CaliNative;8768012]
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8767850)
^^^
Naming a restaurant "Poodle Dog" might have been part of the problem. The French don't eat dogs (some cultures do), but still... Even worse, if they named if after a horse. Some French & Belgians do eat equines.

I hope they didn't name it after the poodle dog bush either, that's a nasty one. The poodle dog bush is a plant that grows in the decade after an area has burned in a brush fire, contact with the skin is similar to poison oak or poison ivy. Something to know about and avoid when hiking in the local mountains.

CityBoyDoug Dec 5, 2019 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8766986)
^^^
Do you think they fired the engineer? Must have been drinking or sleeping. Or maybe the brakes went out?

If I recall correctly, the engineer left the engine running, as they do and forgot to put the brake on.

I don't know what was the policy as to firing for error. I would imagine they were lenient if no lives were lost.

CaliNative Dec 6, 2019 11:25 AM

Marineland & P.O.P.
 
Any old pics of Marineland & Pacific Ocean Park ("POP")? Went to those places a lot as a kid, especially POP. Going over the hill from the sweltering Valley where I lived to the cool, sometimes cold Santa Monica/Venice summer air was my initiation into the microclimates of the L.A. area. POP had a really old fashioned Coney Island feel. I liked POP better than Marineland. The porpoise & whale shows got tiresome after a while. The rides and arcade games at POP were more fun to a kid under 10. I also remember riding in a bubble tram ride over to an "island" they built a fair distance from the pier. Once after going to POP we made the fairly short walk over to "Muscle Beach" where the male & female athletes put on quite a show of strength & acrobatics. Another time we walked over to the Venice canals which back in the early 1960s were pretty run down but still kind of fun to walk.

ethereal_reality Dec 6, 2019 4:20 PM

In my mystery post from yesterday, I should have included an image that shows the strip along the bottom.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/AruLxC.jpg
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/skiSTe.jpg

Putnam Photo.,....223 N. Spring, Cor. Temple St.





And here's a closer look at the tower (and two tall chimeys) in the distance....As you can see the tower appears to have an open-air cupola.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/Vbz3l9.jpg
detail / top left corner

I'd wager a guess that the building is a school. (even though I don't see a BELL in the cupola)




And here is that large house on the hill on the opposite side of the photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/3AbWGf.jpg
detail / top right

Is the vertical line directly above (and behind) the house one of those tall electrical masts that were placed around the city?
..or is it simply an error in the print? :shrug:


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riichkay Dec 6, 2019 7:42 PM

More mid-century mayhem, as before these are from the L.A. Examiner archives....


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pslqmuasjb.jpg

Man trapped under a Pacific Electric freight car in Gardena 8-7-51....John C. Heldt Jr., victim.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psqslqilqw.jpg



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psglfdj85j.jpg



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...ps2k5nmwtl.jpg

Dr. (Chiropractor) Emilio Abitia (left), of 675 S. Vermont at the San Pedro Detective Bureau on 9/15/51....Abitia was questioned in the abortion death of Patricia Colbert, 22....the procedure allegedly conducted by Abitia in his offices at 1245 S. Avalon Blvd., Wilmington.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pstzt1czbr.jpg

Stabbing (motel at 2683 W. 9th St.), 11/27/53....fight between Mr. & Mrs. William Walker....


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psw5u9aeur.jpg

Mrs. Walker



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psysjzenxt.jpg

Felony bookmaking, April 12, 1951. Ann Gardella (alias Ann Stark)



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pszip8wlch.jpg

Carbon Monoxide suicide (in the alley behind 8161 W. 3rd Street), 02 October 1951. Body of E.B Dubain.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psildsl8x1.jpg

Venice Beach Death, 14 May 1954. Unidentified body pulled from surf.; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Gaze. Date: 1954-05-14. Reporter: Sandusky. Assignment: Venice Beach death. Investigators and others stand beside body of man (not yet identified) pulled from the surf behind the breakwater of the old Venice Pier by a passerby (Nathaniel Smith, visiting from Sacramento). Detective Stewart Jones said the man appeared to have been shot through the head. Suicide question -- or...."



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...ps0dyhwjra.jpg

Accident, July 17, 1951. Accident at Gateway and Barrington; Ruth Frabasillio.


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pstqsko4gp.jpg


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pshkfrzyh6.jpg
GSV



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psx62jou1g.jpg

Burglar shot at 15th and Los Angeles, May 30, 1951. Unidentified burglar being taken from building where cops shot him.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pswf4da4cp.jpg

Church yard murder, 11 May 1961....body of unidentified person found in parking lot at 48th and McKinley.


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...ps6jzbi9mi.jpg


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psodwuv3iv.jpg
GSV



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psoatwugsl.jpg

Walter Wanger, film producer, checking into jail following conviction 6/4/52.... atty Jerry Giesler to his left....

The following is extracted from the book On Sunset Boulevard (1998, p. 431) by Ed Sikov:

In 1951, producer Walter Wanger discovered that his wife, Joan Bennett, was having an affair with the agent Jennings Lang. Their encounters were brief and frequent. When Lang and Bennett weren't meeting clandestinely at vacation spots like New Orleans and the West Indies, they were back in L.A. enjoying weekday quickies at a Beverly Hills apartment otherwise occupied by one of Lang's underlings at the agency. When Wanger found proof of the affair, he did what any crazed cuckold would do: he shot Lang in the balls.

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 12:03 AM

Excellent post riichkay!

We covered the Wanger - Bennett - Jennings 'love triangle' in the early days of NLA.

"As for Walter Wanger shooting Jennings Lang in the balls and in the process pretty much killing Joan Bennett's career." ..GM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5114967)

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028171.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028171.jpg
Picture it: 1951. Joan--Jennings--Walter


Speaking of guns and groins--gs, you've reminded me of one of my favorite Hollywood stories: Walter Wanger shooting agent Jennings Lang in the nether regions after suspecting him of wooing Mrs. Wanger--a Lang client, and none other than Miss Joan Bennett. (I once worked with a great editor in NY who happened to be the youngest daughter of the Wangers. Naturally I never brought up the shooting--but she did have tales of a glamorous life in a Wallace Neff house in Holmby Hills, and of flying back and forth between LA and NY on TWA Super Constellations. No bragging--just True Tales of a Hollywood childhood. She was--and I assume still is--funny and down to earth, and she looked alot like Joan, too--very beautiful.) Details of the unmentioned-to-the-daughter incident here: http://www.opossumsal.com/Christmas/...t/Bennett.html


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...2520AM.bmp.jpghttp://books.google.com/books?id=H0o...page&q&f=false
Joan at home in Holmby Hills. (More pics at link above.)


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028170.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028170.jpg
Lang recovering at Midway Hospital. (That's Mrs. Lang--not to be unkind, but one can sort of understand the
allurements of Miss Bennett.)


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028168.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028168.jpg
Mrs. Lang leaving the hospital after a visit, accompanied by Miss Jane Wyman.

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CityBoyDoug Dec 7, 2019 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8769021)
More mid-century mayhem, as before these are from the L.A. Examiner archives....



The following is extracted from the book On Sunset Boulevard (1998, p. 431) by Ed Sikov:

In 1951, producer Walter Wanger discovered that his wife, Joan Bennett, was having an affair with the agent Jennings Lang. Their encounters were brief and frequent. When Lang and Bennett weren't meeting clandestinely at vacation spots like New Orleans and the West Indies, they were back in L.A. enjoying weekday quickies at a Beverly Hills apartment otherwise occupied by one of Lang's underlings at the agency. When Wanger found proof of the affair, he did what any crazed cuckold would do: he shot Lang in the balls.

Yep, that's the way it rolled in LA of the 1950s. Thanks for posting the raw photos.

Tune of the era...>>>>

https://youtu.be/vtyVrvQRPc0

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 5:22 AM

.............................................................EUREKA!

That fine line that rises above the house on the hill is an early electric light mast!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/3AbWGf.jpg
detail from HERE





The house (and mast) are visible in a photograph taken at The Plaza in the 1890s. [link to the complete photo is below image]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TLqNVH.jpg
detail / USC

I know that we have discussed this mast on NLA. (but I wasn't able to locate the old posts)




The lighting mast is even illustrated on this 1889 map.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/5a3CXq.jpg
waterandpower...............................................................................................for search purposes: William Workman property and vineyard, Boyle Height


Of course this doesn't solve the location of my 'mystery' eBay photograph.

You can see the mystery photo (again) ...HERE




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ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 5:58 AM

Just so you don't think I'm beating just one dead horse, here's another mystery.


The date is 1954 and the place is Cathedral Films.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/gw9d57.jpg
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oops.I was wrong. There is an address. 140 Hollywood Way, Burbank

I've never heard of Cathedral Films before..... It sounds all religiousy. :diablo:


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ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 6:05 AM

Here's one more slide for tonight.

Original Slide, "Walt Disney Productions" Studio Building - Burbank CA - 1954

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/Tnh1eE.jpg
eBay

I don't recall seeing this particular Disney gate before. Do you think it's a side gate or a film crew entrance? :shrug:

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Martin Pal Dec 7, 2019 9:05 PM

:previous:

Don't have the answer to your question, but I found this other photo of the same building. It's not dated. The car could be a clue as to the date.

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1940...f264f074_b.jpgWilliam Bird/Flickr

HossC Dec 7, 2019 9:38 PM

:previous:

I think this is the Disney building. It's still standing on the western side of the Disney Studios block on S Buena Vista Street.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...yBuilding1.jpg
GSV

The entrance is now about 40 yards to the south, but you can see where it used to be in this 1944 aerial. I've arrowed the building.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...yBuilding2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 10:50 PM

:previous:

Thanks for locating the building Martin Pal and HossC. ...I'm a bit surprise it's still there.


Look at the size of Warner Bros. Studios, and then compare it to the size of Walt Disney Studios.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/CjdNie.jpg

It looks like it would take six (or more) Walt Disney Studios to fill up the same area as Warner Bros.

I had no idea there was such a difference. (in 1944)

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HossC Dec 7, 2019 11:03 PM

:previous:

According to Wikipedia, Disney only made five movies featuring elements of live action in the '40s, so they didn't need all the sound stages and outside lots.

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2019 11:13 PM

That's interesting, Hoss.

The humongous sound stages at Warner's take up 3/4th of their space.


Here's the Warner Bros.' sign in 1954.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SN2vV5.jpg
eBay

By the way, this slide was taken by the same person that took the photograph of the gate building.


"Combining Good Citizenship With Good Picture Making." ....Well that's a mouthful....No doubt to placate McCarthyism. :no:

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CityBoyDoug Dec 8, 2019 1:02 PM

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psglfdj85j.jpg
photobucket

Posted by riichkay

I wonder if this guy survived after this ordeal? They've jacked up the box and the wheel of the train...note the chain on the wheel truck [called a bogie in the UK]. They've also placed a wood plank under the wheel. Was he hitching a free ride?

They've got a doctor, two ambulance attendants and some cops on the scene. Sad situation.

mrfredmertz Dec 9, 2019 5:08 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Wanger/Bennett/Lang story, especially the part about the junior exec at the agency loaning Lang the key to his flat lead Billy Wilder to write "The Apartment?"


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