Commuters embrace Brightline (Video)
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Atlanta 6,162,195 Charolette 2,632,249 Subtotal 8,794,444 Number of cities along the route that Amtrak stops at presently is 6 Gastonia, NC 75,536 Spartanburg, SC 37,876 Greenville, SC 67,453 Clemson, SC 16,058 Toccoa, GA 8,412 Gainesville, GA 40,000 Subtotal 245,335 London 13,709,000 Newcastle 1,599,000 Subtotal 15,308,000 Number of cities along the route large enough to warrant a train station as reported by you is 7. Per Wiki, 15,308,000 "The main line between London King's Cross and Edinburgh Waverley stations, via (1)Stevenage, (2)Peterborough, (3)Grantham, (4)Newark North Gate, (5)Retford, (6)Doncaster, (7)York, (8)Northallerton, (9)Darlington, (10)Durham, Newcastle, Morpeth, Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed and Dunbar." There's 10 stations between London and Newcastle, I haven't the slightest idea which 7 the train stations your trains stop at, so let's subtotal all 10. Stevenage 87,100. Peterborough 183,631 Grantham 44,580 Newark North Gate 27,700 Retford 22,013 Doncaster 158,141 York 208,079 Northallerton 16,832 Darlington 105,564 Durham 65,549 Subtotal 749,189 If you can't see the difference between 8,794,444 and 15,308,000; and the differences between 245,335 and 749,189; you need to learn to count. In both the terminating cities, and the intermediate cities, your train in England runs through cities and towns with two to three times more population. You have to look at all the different aspects of a rail line from all points of views when comparing the viability of different rail lines to one another. |
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I also said it would not be hard for Atlanta Charlotte to support half the level of service that Newcastle does. It also matter how many cars are in each train, In the UK it has been that intercity travel is served by relatively short trains compared to some on the European mainline, the difference being that trains between british cities are much more frequent. An hourly 6 car train could easily be filled, as long as it was not hobbled by those useless US passenger train practices ( I mean, a conductor every two cars?) it could prove quite profitable. |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_upon_Tyne Specifically: Population (mid-2017 est.)[2] • City 295,800 (ranked 40th district) • Urban (Tyneside) 879,996 (ranked 7th) • Metro (Tyneside–Wearside) 1,650,000 (ranked 6th) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_upon_Tyne I almost always use Metro or CSA statistics because it includes the population of all the city’s suburbs. Charolette metro per Wiki: Population (2016 Census estimate) • Urban 1,249,442 • Metro 2,474,314 • CSA 2,632,249 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char...ropolitan_area • City Population (2010 Census) • City 731,424 • Urban 1,249,442 • Metro 2,474,314 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char...North_Carolina It would be very, very unfair to compare city statistics to metro statistics. I’m trying to compare apples to apples, not apples with oranges. If you prefer the city statistics over metro statistics, let’s lower all the city statistics. Charolette is now 731,424 Atlanta is now 420,003 London is now 8,787,892 Newcastle is now 295,800 Therefore, the relative city pairs population is now London + Newcastle = 9,083 ,692 Atlanta + Charolette = 1,151,427 So what was a two to three times population advantage for the UK train is now an eight to nine times population advantage. I still think my earlier comparison using metro statistics was more fair. For those unfamiliar with America’s CSA statistic: CSAs represent multiple metropolitan or micropolitan areas that have an employment interchange of at least 15%. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb...atistical_area If at least 15% of workers living in a suburban city commute to work in the central city, or vice versa, it’s included in the central city’s CSA. |
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But of course that would require a major change in politics in America, more than anything else. The USA is a big place but the only place that would struggle to support many services are West of the Mississippi. Texas and California excepted. Apart from some of the denser spots I don't see the point in putting on services that span more than a state or two. |
You could potentially justify extending the NEC to Atlanta via Richmond -> Raleigh -> Charlotte but not all the way to Florida. There's simply too much nothingness along I-95
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Does high speed rail not work in China? The longest high speed line in the world there is longer than the distance from NYC to Miami.
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Brightline has potential for Tampa International Airport station. https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay...-talks-on.html |
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Was it impossible for you to include a short synopsis what was in it? Tampa’s airport is on the opposite side of Tampa’s downtown than Orlando. Do you really believe Brightline will want to extend their trains beyond downtown Tampa? |
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So yes, it can work, but in the U.S. context. Even something like Brightline won't exist in 5 years. It will either be govt. rail (something like Amtrak) or gone. |
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However, unlike in Orlando, Tampa does not present an either/or for station locations. Iin Tampa the easiest right-of-way, I-4, passes along the edge of downtown, so they can add a downtown stop fairly easily, and it will sit adjacent to the city's bus hub. |
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