:previous:

Can't find the link now but there was a reference in an article to skilled shoe workers from Lynn, Massachusetts being brought in to staff the factory. Maybe the cabins originally housed those workers. :shrug:

Mini-Me Gaylord
 

While I was snooping around Torrance I happened upon a distinctive apartment building named the GAYLORD.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8OrXEY.jpg
GSV


GW, did you know there was a Mini-Me Gaylord in Torrance?







It's visible in Hoss' 1941 aerial.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JZ88GE.jpg

The Torrance GAYLORD was built in 1927.






& Today
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/wWPzy7.jpg
google_earth





That is an interesting possibility, Noir Noir.


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Credit
 

E_R and SheriffPaul:

I located the Lookout Mountain Inn and posted a 3 part history of it back on page 811 six years ago. 3940dxer and I did some exploring around there as well, but those were my posts.

Thanks Lorendoc.

Noirishers, you can see part one of Lorendoc's AMAZING post HERE.

It's truly one of the best in the whole thread!

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Lorendoc, what did you think of the photograph I posted? ...Have we seen this photograph before?

Lookout Mountain Inn, Los Angeles California. (written on the reverse)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/bMwNAd.jpg
eBay

I mentioned earlier how flat the land was..but I failed to mention the body of water!

I wonder if this photograph was simply mislabeled. :shrug:

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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Wh0B6v.jpg
Thanks for the information, GW. I appreciate it.

1916 Building Permit to extend the rear bedroom by 8' and add on a sleeping porch. (I wasn't able to locate the original 1904 building permit)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/mcPUKX.jpg
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Howdy Partners
 

Sorry posters. I didn't see the Lookout Mountain Inn post by Lorendoc. I was just responding to ethereal_reality. Nothing to see here, let's keep moving. https://coolrain44.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=270&h=314

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Lee Bigler's Community Brake and Speedometer Service at 1218 Santa Monica Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/EJPfn2.jpg
santmonicalibrary

You're going to think I'm nuts, but that large window facing the street reminds me of the famous window at Hitler's Berghof. ....(I like WWII history)


This one.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/fZKfPH.jpg
argunners




Guess what, folks! Lee Bigler's building, and the window, have survived with very little changes. ...(except the TILE is missing from the roof)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ycCMaE.jpg
GSV

After all these years I expected the window to be blocked up..like so many other windows in vintage bldgs in L.A.

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I am hoping someone can find a better scan of this intriguing bit of ephemera I re-discovered in one of my old files the other day.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...921/T2S6At.jpg



I've enlarged it the best to my ability but the overall text is too blurry to read.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/mPuNGN.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cJZTIx.jpg
OLD FILE / UNKNOWN MOTION PICTURE MAGAZINE





This must be the restaurant where the fight took place. Does anyone recognize it?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/tghalO.jpg
DETAIL

I tried squinting.





And who's this dude?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/X83spP.jpg
DETAIL

He must be the guy that got clobbered. I believe it says, C. C. Julian.



Also too.....

The MMM (in my file description) is the infamous Mary Miles Minter (the lover of murdered film director, William Desmond Taylor)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LSBt87.jpg
TIMELINE





One more mystery: I wanted to find the date of the photograph so I checked IMPD but I don't see 'Cleopatra' as one of her credits. :shrug:
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Yes, C.C. Julian of the "Julian Pete" oil stock scandal which must have been written about here earlier. I highly recommend his biography:

https://i.imgur.com/KRCyGjH.jpg
for sale at amazon.com

The fight with Chaplin took place at the Club Petroushka, 7016 Hollywood Boulevard. It made the front pages of all the local newspapers on 23 Jan 1924.

It looks like the building survived.

https://i.imgur.com/Vd25Z1d.jpg
GSV

As to the "Lookout Mountain Inn" photo, I have no idea other than it is nowhere near where I live.

https://i.imgur.com/bbBFSlF.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/EKb5nbO.jpg

Clipped from -

www.archive.org - Screenland - Apr-Sep 1924


Here's a text only version your article e_r.

archive.org - Taylorology - Issue 37 January 1996


Some more on the incident.

discoveringchaplin.com - Battle Of Petroushka

Oh..that C. C. Julian. ...:duh

Thanks Lorendoc and Noir Noir.

"C.C. Julian...a rogue of his day. Killed himself by drinking poison in Shanghai in '33. Penniless, alcoholic and on the run from the US Justive Department
for fraud."

GARY BAGE at discoveringchaplin
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/1rnx0c.jpg
calisphere

" LAST PHOTO; C C Julian in Shanghai China, 9-14-35." ...(but wiki says he died in March of 1934) :shrug:

Someone is obviously wrong unless they rickshawed his dead body around Shanghai for a year.





Besides OIL, it appears that he also owned a Los Angeles radio station. (KMTR)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4vP90O.jpg
tommydangcil

I'm surprised by this.

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Mystery location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/CV5XWK.jpg
"Buddha Temple" gcah.org


Hmmm...so where was S. Savanna Street? :shrug:




Here's some help.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/P768vP.jpg
LAPL




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/vdoop2.jpg
LAPL

ummm....I still can't figure it out.... :no:

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Mystery machine.

....Back when the economy of Los Angeles was chiefly agrarian.

rppc: Five Ladies, Two dogs, Steel Wheel 'Tractor', Los Angeles California 1909.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/zgwnI5.jpg
eBay

Growing up in the Midwest..I have seen old steam engine tractors. (at the Hoopeston Sweetcorn Festival)

BUT..and it's a big but..I've never seen one with pullies and gears (or whatever those do-dads are called) like the one shown in this engimatic photograph.



Here's the reverse. note the Los Angeles postmark. (1909)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ePG4ch.jpg
eBay

Was the area around 917 W. 34th Place still rural in 1909?

......................................................................:farmer:

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It was in Boyle Heights. The 1921 Sanborn puts it at 209 S. Savannah:

https://i.imgur.com/1O04aVL.jpg
lapl.org

The LADBS has a build date for the address as 1910.

Today S. Savannah has been vacated between 2nd and 4th streets and is the site of the Evergreen Recreational Center.


https://i.imgur.com/otlJkit.jpg
GSV

Here's a bit more about that temple(in Note 3) from "Issei Buddhism in the Americas":

https://books.google.com/books?id=xF...s%20ca&f=false

Is the Hollywood storage (Bekins) building still there? If so, still being used for storage? Quite an imposing structure. The twin radio antennas probably took it well over 300', tall for the time.

Yup, it's still there on Highland.

https://i.postimg.cc/TYzC2n62/Annota...-26-032022.jpgvia GSV

It's still used for storage, now as an Iron Mountain location.

re:..The Buddhist Temple on S. Savanna.

Thanks for the information Lorendoc and BillinGlendale.

fyi:..The early directories spell Savanna without the H...the later directories spell it Savannah, with the H.


Did you all notice the man sitting in the grass in from of the temple?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/AGLmTB.jpg
DETAIL...You can see the complete photograph HERE.

It's obvious the Japanese are trying to create a 'tree arch' by using tether cords. (if you look closely you can spot them). So how, exactly, is this suppose to work?

Do they plan to gradually manipulate (bonsai) the trees together?

Do we have a bonsai expert on the thread?
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E.R. - The ladies are sitting in what looks like an orange grove. Maybe the machine was used to drive between the trees and lift people up to pick oranges? Seems like quite an overkill when a ladder can do the job.

BTW - Could people actually read each others handwriting a hundred years ago? I could stare at some of these postcards for hours and not make it all out.

:surrender:

:previous: Thanks FredH.

Maybe the contraption is an orange juice machine. ;)






Thrifty truck ACCIDENT, Los Angeles Calif. [c.1952]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/j5HAjJ.jpg
eBay






https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/OTQ77m.jpg
eBay




This next slide isn't nearly as clear as the first two.. but it might shed some light on the accident.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/FweoK0.jpg
eBay

To me it looks like a simple case of the Thrifty truck being taller than the lowest branch.

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Harvey! His name was Harvey!
 

Look at this historical marker that’s been sitting at the southwest corner of Hollywood and Vine since 1953 – that’s 66 years, people! – to commemorate the beginnings of the city of Hollywood. Good idea. Great idea, in fact. Hip hip and hooray for Hollywood. But for gosh-darned sake, would it kill them to get the guy’s name right? It was Harvey Henderson Wilcox who founded Hollywood – not Horace! And his poor wife, Daeida, doesn’t even get mentioned. Apparently “and Mrs” is good enough. Do I really have to point out that Daeida was the one who came up with the name “Hollywood” in the first place?

Is there someone we can call to get this rectified???

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...d-and-Vine.jpg

And "Vine" is from the fact that the street went through the (former?) vineyard of artist Paul de Longpre, who had a nice home and a few garden acres in earliest Hollywood.

There is still a Buddhist Temple (Nichiren) on 4th by Saratoga, although I don't if it was the same establishment. If the older photo is of a Nichiren Temple then it likely is. It is very close to Savanah, but there are other Japanese Buddhist Temples and other Japanese churches in proximity as well.

http://califaztlan.org/LANoirPics/nichiren.png

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8698582]Mystery location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/CV5XWK.jpg
"Buddha Temple" gcah.org

odinthor is correct, of course.


As a reminder (and for newbies)..here is the de Longpre house in Hollywood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/PDYDA1.jpg
lacurbed

"The flower-covered grounds of the De Longpre estate were toured by as many as 8,000 people every month."


The article at Curbed Los Angeles is excellent. You can check it out HERE.

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[QUOTE=GatoVerde;8699687]There is still a Buddhist Temple (Nichiren) on 4th by Saratoga, although I don't if it was the same establishment. If the older photo is of a Nichiren Temple then it likely is. It is very close to Savanah, but there are other Japanese Buddhist Temples and other Japanese churches in proximity as well.

http://califaztlan.org/LANoirPics/nichiren.png

E_R's photo corresponds to the 209 S. Savannah address - look at the Sanborn's depiction of the building's footprint: it shows a 3 story rectangular structure with a 2 story porch in front.

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8699690]odinthor is correct, of course.


As a reminder (and for newbies)..here is the de Longpre house in Hollywood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/PDYDA1.jpg
lacurbed

Someone who follows my Facebook page has pointed out that Daeida Wilcox did, in fact, get her own damned plaque, which even managed to spell her unusual name correctly!

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...ida-Wilcox.jpg

:previous:


Between the time Paul de Longpré arrived in LA and his being lured to Hollywood by the Wilcoxes,
he rented a house that was on the site of the auto club. Read all about it here:
2601 S Figueroa Street

https://i.postimg.cc/fyGQRBJ5/WAD260...credit-bmp.jpg

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Here's a truly intriguing 'mystery' roof-top garden. (complete with fountain) ....$44.95


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/h3uOKq.jpg
eBay





Written on the reverse: "Lowe's Chinese Restaurant in L. A. (friend of Little Charlie)"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/XvhXs3.jpg

Did Lowe's really have a chinese restaurant with a roof garden..or is the Lowe's sign, visible at far right, actually across the street? :shrug:




Does anyone recognize the dome?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/D05KjN.jpg
DETAIL

It doesn't appear to match the dome on the Warner Bros. downtown theater (previously the Pantages). . .or the dome on the Trinity Auditorium.

Maybe we could ask that guy in the window. ;)

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I'm not the guy in the window, but I think that's the Hillstreet(RKO)Theater's dome that was at 8th and Hill.

I had a couple bonsai trees when I was a teenager but am no expert.

I trimmed and watered carefully. This went on for months. I trimmed and shaped, trimmed and shaped. I kept up the trimming. Then one morning I got a shock.



Sadly I had trimmed them to nothing....they were gone.

.....................sad... bonsai story, CBD.

................https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/1293/ZZlUZi.gif

.............................I can relate.

I gradually trimmed my sister's troll dolls until they were bald.

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I know everyone is diligently searching for the mystery roof garden ;) ..but I have another mystery for you.

Take a look at this snapshot currently on eBay.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/xEZpLa.jpg
eBay

I'm not 100% sure but I think the structure on the bluff is the Ennis House. (but I don't know where the photoographer is standing)

I want to see if the dirt (I don't know what else to call it) , on the left, has been leveled..& if the large house with the three dormers is still standing.


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:previous:

I think that's 2467 Glendower Avenue on the right. I was built in 1922, so it predates the Ennis House by two years.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...ndowerAve1.jpg
GSV

https://goo.gl/maps/Y2iLdaWed4jBJY4g9

Go to link below and you can see the cliff at left is still there, although somewhat modified. The little yellow pegman will show you the street view.

https://goo.gl/maps/cNQbWBQPPvupQGpC8



google pegman , always ready to help noirishers
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...zfnw9kmpng.png

Ranch house mystery.


1911 RPPC: House Under Construction near Los Angeles. "Out In The Country."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ikCUhb.jpg
eBay

I don't believe I have ever seen a house quite like this one.





The reverse.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/uA8Vb4.jpg

The writer lived. at 916 Diamond St. Los Angeles.


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Rare Glass Negative currently on eBay

The POPPY, Pacific Electric Observation Railcar.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRXCII.jpg
eBay

This is a phenomenal image!

note: The name of the railcar, 'The Poppy' is written on the front as well as the side.


not: There's a gentleman sitting in the back of the car. (and a reflection of a R.R. Crossing sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/QgHnG8.jpg
DETAIL










note: A closer look at the Observation Parlor Car sign in front.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2CCuQH.jpg
detail

note: I like the barn in the background.

I forgot how to make a positive image. :gaah:





Asking $270.00 Smackeroos.

:previous:

e_r, here's the main image in positive:

https://i.postimg.cc/59PP6QMK/Poppy.jpg

:previous: Thanks odinthor!

I didn't realize it was going to be so dark.

A little lighter...My expertise includes blindly fooling around with whatever image program came with the computer

https://i.postimg.cc/Qd089q0K/Poppy.jpg

That looks good, buddy! Thanks FredH. :)



Here's a vintage cabinet card for the middle of your day.

"Auntie Harm's House"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/PWMz45.jpg
eBay




Upon closer inspection, the street number is 4411.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/vSzKtf.jpg
DETAIL





https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yRMV9j.jpg

4411 Melbourne Ave. Los Angeles Cal.

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...and another.


Except that this house is a mystery.


"RPPC: Around 1910 - Large House in Los Angeles CA"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4q9jYp.jpg
eBay

I thought perhaps this house is grand enough that someone might recognized it.

That must be Auntie Harm. (oops, wrong post) :duh

The reverse is blank.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/jnWnc7.jpg
eBay

My kingdom for a clue.

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So, a couple friends of mine took me to The Formosa Cafe this past week for my birthday!

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b5&oe=5DF51F2DFacebook

So glad to see it back, I loved it! The photo below is not us, but the three guys on the right side in the P.E. car booth photo below is where we sat!

https://www.wehoville.com/wp-content...80-768x576.jpg

Upon arriving I noticed that they have removed the black and white striped awnings that were above the windows of the Red Car. That often obscured the fact that this was a red car and now when you see it from the outside it's very obvious.

Before:
https://laistassets.scprdev.org/i/36...dd57-eight.jpgLAist

Now:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iTetWD62d...sa%2BCafe..jpgTranspressNZ

THe green hedge you see is where there is now a rooftop bar. That was added in the last remodel a few years ago...the one everyone hated in terms of the restaurant's insides, but the rooftop addition is a nice touch and doesn't detract from the original restaurant look at all.

The 1933 Group (named so as 1933 was the year prohibition ended) had several red car related parts, like some "brass handles and the destination box that was on the roof of every train — rebuilt from pictures."

The staff let me look into the back area of the red car where it used to be accessible from the street back in the day, as you can see, and Mickey Cohen ran a bookie operation from. There's the original old style phone there where you could pick it up and it would ring inside and people could also order takeout from the window there. Celebrities (and gangsters) could also pick up food there if they didn't want to be recognized.

I checked out the original Yee Mee Loo bar now located in what was a semi-enclosed "smoking patio" area and had a "Yee Mee Loo" cocktail! This area now serves drinks and diners as well. This area has decor dedicated to Hollywood's Asian actors and related films.

As for the bar, according to LAist, research revealed that the bar was actually a prop that had come from the set of The Good Earth. During that movie the production team went to China and brought over tons of antiques to use in the movie. One of them was this piece, which became a shrine where characters in the film went to pray. After filming wrapped, the shrine ended up at Yee Mee Loo where it became their bar. Now, it's at the Formosa.

Inside the restaurant, in the booth that Bugsy Siegel preferred, is a safe he had installed in the floor where his minions could drop off stacks of money for Siegel to pick up if he wasn't there. (Hmmm...for what?) The restoration has this floor safe lighted from the inside and a stack of real bills inside it.

https://laistassets.scprdev.org/i/95...9fb8-eight.jpgLAist

Although there was a long-standing rumor/legend that there was a tunnel connecting the movie studio to the Formosa across the street there was no evidence found of a tunnel ever existing.

The 1933 Group was doing so much research on the Formosa in the initial stages of the restoration, as part of the renovation they brought in Max Shapovalov to write a book about the history of the Formosa Cafe. He describes it as "an intensive historical investigation" and says he has been digging into the archives of libraries, city officials, Pacific Electric, the FBI and family members. The book is initially slated to appear sometime this year.

The 1933 group has previously restored the barrel-shaped Idle Hour bar in North Hollywood and Highland Bowl bar and bowling alley in Highland Park as well as the Harlowe bar in West Hollywood.

Next up: 1933 Group recently purchased the Tail o’ the Pup building and is looking for a location to put it, with luck somewhere in West Hollywood, or possibly Hollywood. So far, they have not found the right location.

Bobby Green's ultimate fantasy is to take on a much more ambitious project. He dreams of rebuilding the Brown Derby, the legendary restaurant that abruptly closed in the 1980's. It was famous for attracting Hollywood stars and for being shaped like a hat. “The original hat is now part of a strip mall on Wilshire in Koreatown,” says Green. “I’d love to someday get that hat and find a place to rebuild the Brown Derby.”

Some information on The Poppy.


https://i.imgur.com/k5QpT2B.jpg
archive.org - The Street Railway Review - June 1905


Upscaled version of the original picture.

https://imgur.com/V8YyQbX

The POPPY, Pacific Electric Observation Railcar
 

[QUOTE=Noir_Noir;8703112]Some information on The Poppy.


https://i.imgur.com/k5QpT2B.jpg
archive.org - The Street Railway Review - June 1905

I don't know if this is inside the now-famous Poppy but pretty swellegant:


https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...ec-20-1908.jpg
Passengers could arrange to travel in Victorian splendor, inside the parlor car of the Pacific Electric. Some of the "business" class cars featured leather club chairs. (Photo, Los Angeles Herald, December 20, 1908)

Poppy Glass Plate
 

[QUOTE=MartinTurnbull;8703307]Looking on F.B. P.E. street car site I found that same picture of Poppy was offered last year in Dec on Ebay. Thanks for finding additional pictures and I am wondering what happened to it...

:previous:


https://i.imgur.com/qJCN1JX.jpg


What you got for a dollar on the Orange Grove Route.


https://i.imgur.com/UiRx1f8.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald 17 June 1904

I was in Santa Monica a couple of weeks ago.

I took the Metro Expo line from there to Downtown LA and back. A very fine, pleasant ride through a good cross section of LA. It was the middle of the day and the riders included college students, folks going to work, and a couple of lawyers talking about a case. A mix of the races/ethnicities/classes that make up LA. The line went through West LA, Palms, Culver City, South Central, Exposition Park,USC.... Notable was a lot of construction going on along the line - residential and commercial, plus many storage buildings.

I grew up riding LA street cars and the red cars. The 7 car stopped at Slauson and Broadway, where my family lived, and we took it downtown.

I had lunch at The Original Pantry, where my father used to take me in the ‘50s and ‘60s.

The same day early in the morning I walked from The Santa Monica Pier to Venice and back along the beach front. Venice is still.....ummmm.....interesting.

I took a similar trip last year, though in the opposite direction(Glendale to Union Station, Red Line to Expo to Santa Monica, walk to Venice and return). A really nice trip.

I just finished an excellent book on early 20th centuty L.A. called "The Mirage Factory" by Gary Krist. It follows the rise and fall of William Mullholland, Sister Aimee, and DW Griffith and the effect each had on the development of L.A. Lots or noirish touches--I highly recommend it!