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Wig-Wag Nov 29, 2013 3:22 PM

Doodlebugs
 
[QUOTE=unihikid;6357209]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 6357131)

Wig-wag were these considered Doodlebugs? My grandfather gave me a book on Doodlebugs,and in it they have a small section for Los Angeles,with the Sante Fe Pasadena Line(which is now the goldline).Also in one of his "Train" magazines it says that most California stations had a grouping of palm trees at every entrance to the station...after looking at a few older stations i noticed thats true(taking the metrolink from la to san bernardino most old stations have them):shrug: but i dont know how true the statement is.

Chucaluck, because of their unique shape McKeen cars are generally referred to by their name among railroad enthusiasts but can be generically classified as "Doodlebugs". Here is a Wikiki piece on the latter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doodlebug_%28rail_car%29

As to the palm trees, that is probably accurate as they were/are an attractive landscaping element.

Cheers,
Jack

Martin Pal Nov 29, 2013 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6356960)
Interesting compilation of films using Angel's Flight as a backdrop.

http://www.electricearl.com/af/

Was not aware of a Perry Mason episode (1966), in color, with AF in the background.

I happened upon this episode on ME-TV last summer while flipping channels. I stopped because i didn't know they had done a season of this in color. Then I discovered them getting on Angel's Flight and riding up to a parking lot at the top.

Martin Pal Nov 29, 2013 7:12 PM

:previous::previous:

On further searching, I discovered that this was the ONLY episode of the series that was filmed in color.

Info from this link:
http://www.perrymasontvseries/Show262

The episode is titled: The Case of THE TWICE-TOLD TWIST
In addition to Angel's Flight, there is a chase through Olvera Street.

Someone asked why it was the only episode filmed in color. There was a response:

On the introduction to "Twice Told Twist" on the 50th Anniversary of Perry Mason DVD, Arthur Marx related that Mr. Paley, the head of CBS, wanted to see a Perry Mason episode in color in case the show was renewed for a 10th season. It wasn't.

revheavyg Nov 29, 2013 10:30 PM

The Colorado Blvd location was recreated in the new Buena Vista Street at Disney's California Adventure its not an exact replica but i think that Disney's Imagineering Team did a wonderful job!
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...ps60458cc5.jpg
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...psd2cebd93.jpg
(photos from photobucket)

Lwize Nov 30, 2013 4:02 AM

Los Angeles Sears building: Owner discusses makeover plan

Quote:

BOYLE HEIGHTS, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A historic building in Boyle Heights is about to get an extreme makeover. The massive distribution center at the Sears building at 2650 East Olympic Boulevard could be coming back to life with a new look.

Real estate developer Izek Shomof, known for rehabbing properties in the historic core of downtown Los Angeles, is making plans for his newest acquisition.

"When I saw it on the outside, I said the size of this building can be its own community by itself," said Shomof. "It sits over 22 acres of land, and the building is 1.8 million square feet, and that by itself is a community by itself; a town by itself."

"Back in the heyday, it used to be the hub of the community -- everything was happening here -- and it went away for some time, and that's what we are trying to restore," added Shomof.

When the entire building was used as the Sears catalogue distribution center, it was known for its roller-skating employees, neon sign and sweeping vistas of downtown L.A.

John Chavez worked there as a teenager.

"I used to pull out the orders that would come in and throw them down the chute," said Chavez. "Sometimes we used the chute for slides too; it was kind of fun."

Now, Shomof is setting an ambitious goal: a multi-use complex of stores, lofts, restaurants and creative space, accommodating about 1,500 people -- all to open three years from now.

"There are a lot of apartments and complexes out here, so if it gave more jobs to people around here, that would be cool," said Ryan Macias of Boyle Heights.

"If they're going to use it for the community so the kids can experience new things, it would be great, but it's a landmark; it's East Los Angeles," said Chavez.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=9344037

CityBoyDoug Nov 30, 2013 12:55 PM

Red's Reef Bar and Grill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6357601)
:previous::previous:

On further searching, I discovered that this was the ONLY episode of the series that was filmed in color.

Info from this link:
http://www.perrymasontvseries/Show262

The episode is titled: The Case of THE TWICE-TOLD TWIST
In addition to Angel's Flight, there is a chase through Olvera Street.

Someone asked why it was the only episode filmed in color. There was a response:

On the introduction to "Twice Told Twist" on the 50th Anniversary of Perry Mason DVD, Arthur Marx related that Mr. Paley, the head of CBS, wanted to see a Perry Mason episode in color in case the show was renewed for a 10th season. It wasn't.

Occasionally seen in Perry Mason.
Does anyone know if this was a real bar or just a fictional location? Popular locations for moving the story along, exteriors are occasionally seen. Shown here: Red's Reef Bar and Grill.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps5fc650be.jpg
Perry Mason TV productions

HossC Nov 30, 2013 1:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6285028)
Aug '36 - Wilshire looking west from Vermont.Looks like the moorish Texaco on the north side of Wilshire near New Hampshire.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104334.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104334.jpg

Chuckaluck's picture above provides a nice segue between Carpenter's Sandwiches (far right) and the view down Wilshire that I've been looking at.

I know the tiled Texaco service station at New Hampshire and Wilshire has been on NLA several times before, but I think this close-up is new. The service station stood nearly opposite the I. Magnin store - for a wider shot of both, and a lot more history of this block, see GW's blogspot post on 3240 Wilshire Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ireTexaco1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Here's a better view of the service station. Again, I know that similar pictures have been posted before, but I don't remember seeing this one with the Green T Cafe on the left. There's three zoomable pictures in the set (link below image).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ireTexaco2.jpg
USC Digital Library

Of course, this is the old Calpet station, but I did doubt that for a while because e-r's earlier picture makes it look like the wings sweep back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4956033)

I now realize that it's just an optical illusion/camera trickery, as can be seen in the picture below. The Calpet station was adorned with far less signage than the later Texaco.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...etWilshire.jpg
California State Library

Returning to my first picture, the Wiltern Theatre is visible in the distance. Nowadays, the view is blocked by trees and tall buildings.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z.../LAWiltern.jpg
Detail of first picture above

On the left, just past the Immanuel Presbyterian Church, I spotted a building that looked like a theater. When I zoomed in, I could read the text "Hammond Organ". Sadly, neither of the buildings either side of the sign are still standing (at least not in a recognizable form).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAHammond1.jpg
Detail of first picture above

Here's a listing from the 1939 CD with details of the Hammond Instrument Co. at 3328 Wilshire.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAHammond2.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

The later buildings also housed a keyboard retailer - the Sherman Clay Pianos/Organs sign is still there, although the business has gone. Sherman Clay went out of business early in 2013, after 142 years of trading, but I believe this site closed earlier because la.curbed described the building as "empty" in this article about redevelopment from 2010.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...manClayGSV.jpg
GSV

USC has a couple of other photos similar to the first, quite possibly from the same shoot. They are taken from slightly different angles, and include a bit of Switzer's on the left and the Gaylord in the background. The first has a better view of the Wiltern Theatre:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/22062

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/93249

More on the I. Magnin store:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16372

GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2013 3:25 PM

:previous:

Thanks for citing my Wilshire blog--the link to the story on 3240 is broken for some reason...here's one that works: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...boulevard.html


And here's a good shot of one of Julia Child's childhood homes--a 1915 'then' and a 'now' of 625 S Magnolia in Pasadena. The architect was Reginald Johnson; the pic is from The American Builder of Aug 25, 1915 (J Child was 3 years old that month):

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3792/bn5j.jpgGoogle Books

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1088/fi6i.jpgChens & Chai


625 S Magnolia was in the approximately equivalent lot one street east of that of her grandparents, the senior John McWilliamses, at 627 S Euclid, also still there:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/264/gei2.jpg


Julia's father, John McWilliams Jr, was a real estate investor--the family moved a number of times. In 1917, they were listed in the CD at 306 Congress Place:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520AM.bmp.jpg



During the '20s and '30s, Julia's family lived at 1207 S Pasadena Ave. It may be the light-gray-roofed house, apparently the original with much of its property subdivided, at the top of the photo below at end of a long driveway; another source has it that 1207 was renumbered 1199, which is the dark-gray-roofed house at the bottom of the pic:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520AM.bmp.jpg

Chuckaluck Nov 30, 2013 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6356819)
The 1929 CD definitely says the Gladstone number refers to the Tanner Motor Livery's 5639 Sunset Boulevard address:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...orLiveryCD.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

Tourmaline's first post on Tanner Motor Livery shows a small picture of how 5639 Sunset looks today. Here's a larger version. It's lost some most of its charm, but is still recognizable as the building above. The current tenant is Jem Motor Corp who sell high-end vehicle brands. From their website: "Come take a step in time of old Hollywood in our 1920's Showroom."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...mMotorCorp.jpg
GSV

The 320 S Beaudry premises had a very similar design, as can be seen in this photo dating from 1927. The build date near the top of the center section says 1926. The "MUtual 3111" sign is clearly visible.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rMLBeaudry.jpg
USC Digital Library

USC has a second 1927 photo of the building on Beaudry taken at a different angle - see it here.




Nice follow-up. Same with your dissection of the Calpet spread-your-wings optical illusion.

Maybe the Tanner shot changed (my) perception of geography too.

The Tanner-on-Sunset seems odd with all of the parked cars in front of the building. This suggests there was a large paved parking area in front of the building, with the building set back from Sunset, or the cars were parked on Sunset (blocking) the street. Today, there is a Home Depot across from the building, leading one to wonder if the cars weren't parked across the street from Tanner - with the camera lens compressing the depth of field. Alternatively, could there have been an intersecting street at the location? As improbable as this seems, the nearby Hollywood Fwy necessarily gobbled up or rearranged quite a bit of nearby realty.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046284.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046284.jpg

Chuckaluck Nov 30, 2013 8:14 PM

6600 Avalon Blvd. - Hoffman Candy Company



Responsible for Cup-O-Gold candy.
http://www.oldtimecandy.com/assets/i...r-hoffmans.jpg http://www.oldtimecandy.com/assets/i...r-hoffmans.jpg





http://www.papertrove.com/dw31413x202.jpghttp://www.papertrove.com/dw31413x202.jpg

1929
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047108.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047108.jpg


1930
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047051.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047051.jpg

Chuckaluck Nov 30, 2013 8:30 PM

H[ans].Jevne Co. - Wholesale Grocer



1903 - 208 S Spring St.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014309.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014309.jpg[/IMG]



1906
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065253.jpg http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065253.jpg


1913 - Sixth Street. looking east from Broadway
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067424.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067424.jpg


Undated (South Central and E 7th (?)) (Thought the intrepid Lookout Mt. Explorers (3940dex and Lorendoc) posted this, but unable to locate.)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047105.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047105.jpg



But where did Hans Jeven reside in 1890?

849 S. Burlington Ave.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061571.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061571.jpg

Chuckaluck Nov 30, 2013 8:57 PM

Watch that waistline! Did LA lead the nation in tooth decay?


Watkins Chocolate - 768 Merchant Street (7th and Central)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047100.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047100.jpg


W.C. Watkins - interior. Sterility assured.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046895.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046895.jpg


Bishop's aka Bishop and Company (look at top and bottom)

7th and Alameda
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048121.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048121.jpg



Christopher's - 21st and Los Angeles Streets

1922
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046899.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046899.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046864.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046864.jpg


Veronica Lake, actress (and trainhopper)http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17913, and a big fan of Gum for Servicemen!

1942
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00106/00106292.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00106/00106292.jpg

HossC Nov 30, 2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358418)

The building still looks intact from the outside (aside from the missing "0" in the address).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...600Avalon1.jpg
Bing Streetside

It seems to be marketed towards garment manufacture nowadays. I came across the name "Azteca Jeans Inc" in association with the address, which might be what this picture shows.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...600Avalon2.jpg
www.loopnet.com

And here's how it looks when it's empty.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...600Avalon3.jpg
www.loopnet.com

Godzilla Nov 30, 2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358457)
Watch that waistline! Did LA lead the nation in tooth decay?


Watkins Chocolate - 768 Merchant Street (7th and Central)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047100.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047100.jpg


W.C. Watkins - interior. Sterility assured.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046895.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046895.jpg



Hope Watkins had more than a bucket for rinsing off dirty hands, hairnets and nursery necessities.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics03/00001224.jpg


Snazzy sinks were available at Advanced Plumbing and Heating Co. 4646 Crenshaw Boulevard No date. Looked at CD, no see.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048556.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048556.jpg



1937 Kitchen display
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098160.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098160.jpg

HossC Dec 1, 2013 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6358537)
Snazzy sinks were available at Advanced Plumbing and Heating Co. 4646 Crenshaw Boulevard No date. Looked at CD, no see.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048556.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048556.jpg

LAPL has another picture of the Advance Plumbing and Heating Co., also listed as 4646 Crenshaw Boulevard, which is dated circa 1930. Note that it's "Advance" not "Advanced".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...vPlumbLAPL.jpg
lapl.org

The 1932 CD lists the company at 6022 S Broadway. By 1936 they've moved to Crenshaw, but the address 4623. Just two years later they've moved again, this time to Melrose Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...D.jpg~original
rescarta.lapl.org

Godzilla Dec 1, 2013 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6358580)
LAPL has another picture of the Advance Plumbing and Heating Co., also listed as 4646 Crenshaw Boulevard, which is dated circa 1930. Note that it's "Advance" not "Advanced".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...vPlumbLAPL.jpg
lapl.org

The 1932 CD lists the company at 6022 S Broadway. By 1936 they've moved to Crenshaw, but the address 4623. Just two years later they've moved again, this time to Melrose Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...D.jpg~original
rescarta.lapl.org



Your powers of observation prove I should not always believe what I read. The source, added the "ed."
Quote:

"Exterior view of Advanced Plumbing and Heating Co"
Upon re-inspection, the proof is in the photo. Did not see anything listed as "4646" either, so good call!







In the meantime, maybe someone recognizes a name or two from Hotel Cecil's 1929 guest registry. Notice under letterhead the advisement in uppercase letters. "GUESTS WITHOUT BAGGAGE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY IN ADVANCE." How long will it take before they accept Diner's Card? :rolleyes:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007204.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007204.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007306.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007306.jpg



Or someone is related to this woman who was satisfied with a view without a room. Source states photo was taken after 9 hours of sitting. (How long was the first screening of Greed?)

Circa 1935
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062253.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062253.jpg




1928
http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007198.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007198.jpg

HossC Dec 1, 2013 2:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358438)
H[ans].Jevne Co. - Wholesale Grocer

Undated (South Central and E 7th (?)) (Thought the intrepid Lookout Mt. Explorers (3940dex and Lorendoc) posted this, but unable to locate.)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047105.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047105.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358457)
Bishop's aka Bishop and Company (look at top and bottom)

7th and Alameda
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048121.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048121.jpg

Both of these buildings are still standing. H. Jevne Co. was in the one on the right, and Bishop and Company had the one in the middle.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7thAlameda.jpg
Bing Maps

Here are a couple of previous posts featuring the H. Jevne Co.:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4307

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12633

The trucks of H. Jevne Co. and Watkins Chocolates were among a large collection of commercial vehicles previously posted by westcork:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13091

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358457)

The building seems to have gone, but I found this advert in the 1923 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...istopherCD.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

Godzilla Dec 1, 2013 4:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6358438)
H[ans].Jevne Co. - Wholesale Grocer
But where did Hans Jeven reside in 1890?

849 S. Burlington Ave.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061571.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061571.jpg



A convalescent home now occupies the address. Maybe not as majestic, but there still is at least one Grand Dame on Burlingame.



826 Burlingame
http://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-con...burlington.jpghttp://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-con...burlington.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8471/8...d59b1ea8_h.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8471/8...d59b1ea8_h.jpg

Those Who Squirm! Dec 1, 2013 6:54 AM

Note the glazed brick facing on this building in the next two shots.

With regard to the next set of pics, the 1926 date does correspond with the 1926 build date of the Creque building, but I don't think it can possibly be the same building. This 1926 building has obvious differences compared to the Creque, which you can see if you look at the latter in Bing Maps. The Creque is finished with windows all the way around, while this building clearly isn't.

With the glazed brick facade in the 1926 shots, I think we're looking at three different buildings here, at least.
Quote:


1926 (?)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046270.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046270.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046260.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046260.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046259.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046259.jpg




http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046274.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046274.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LAD69PSCAA.jpg http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LAD69PSCAA.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...T7U4PV125X.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...T7U4PV125X.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5FEX6NNGUX.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5FEX6NNGUX.jpg


Evidently, the building received another two floors and was "Deco-ized" in '31


Could this really be the same building? :previous:***

6400 Hollywood Blvd. The Creque Bldg.
http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/creque.jpghttp://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/creque.jpg


6400 Hollywood Blvd.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nboaD1cQni...e+Zale+Map.JPG




***It is troublesome that some of the photos show a building that does not appear to be on a corner lot. Instead of Cahuenga Blvd. being east of the building, it looks more like an alley. Was the boulevard widened, or the building expanded beyond its earlier footprint? Text suggests it is the same building, but . . . ?? Different architects are mentioned for the jobs and it is never clear when the building went from the Sackett moniker to the Creque name. :shrug:



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GaylordWilshire Dec 1, 2013 1:49 PM

:previous:


Sorting out the Hollywood Post Office at 1717/1719 N Vine...


It was built in 1925 to a basic Morgan Walls design that seems to have been undecided upon and then shared...


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...2520AM.bmp.jpg LAT Apr 19, 1925


Very similar to the design ultimately decided upon for the Hollywood PO, Mullen & Bluett announced that its Pasadena store would open on Oct 1, 1925...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7...2520AM.bmp.jpg LAT Dec 1, 1925



This may have been a rendering for either the PO or Mullen Bluett--or there may even be a third MWC building in this style somewhere in LA...
Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6356517)



The Hollywood PO became an Ontra's Cafeteria in 1937...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-K...0/ontrarev.jpg

(See prior NLA post: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8094)


According to the Times, the current Creque building is the 1931 remodeling of another building...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U...2520AM.bmp.jpg LAT Sept 13, 1931


LAT


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