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ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2020 8:51 PM

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Here's a rare look inside one of the rooms in the old Wilcox Hotel in Hollywood. (Sept. 4, 1942)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/O7MZbm.jpg
eBay (link coming)

I believe the three buddies are in the military because, unless I'm mistaken, their hats are on top of the credenza.


The reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/x5XHrH.jpg


Here's a closer look. (there's one of their hats)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I9XkF2.jpg

They're drinking 7-UP and, what looks like, some kind of whiskey. :shrug:









The Wilcox Hotel around the time of their visit.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FBGR9t.jpg
historicconsultants

As you can see, the hotel entrance is actually on Selma and not Wilcox.

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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 25, 2020 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9053670)
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I don't believe we have visited the Klein & Simpson Fruit Company on NLA but even if we have, we haven't seen each & everyone of their employees! ! !


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/3TpzYm.jpg
eBay



The seller included the address..... Ninth and San Pedro St. (I haven't confirmed it)

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I'm skeptical about 9th and San Pedro based on the gasometer in the background. Klein Simpson was at Mill and Produce in the teens and in the 20's at 750 Market. I'm favoring the Mill and Produce location, the gasometer would be in the right location.

CaliNative Sep 26, 2020 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9053918)
I'm skeptical about 9th and San Pedro based on the gasometer in the background. Klein Simpson was at Mill and Produce in the teens and in the 20's at 750 Market. I'm favoring the Mill and Produce location, the gasometer would be in the right location.

Date? Judging from all the horse carriages and early style Model Ts and other "flivvers" my guess would be pre WW1, maybe 1914-15 give or take a year or two. When was that gasometer built?

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 26, 2020 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9054321)
Date? Judging from all the horse carriages and early style Model Ts and other "flivvers" my guess would be pre WW1, maybe 1914-15 give or take a year or two. When was that gasometer built?

I'd tend to agree based on the number of horse drawn delivery vehicles that it would probably be pre-WWI, the gasometer seemed to be there in 1906 based on the Sanbourn.

https://i.postimg.cc/SQrWr7BZ/ca6562...033673-map.png via lapl

Martin Pal Sep 26, 2020 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9053898)
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Here's a rare look inside one of the rooms in the old Wilcox Hotel in Hollywood. (Sept. 4, 1942)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/O7MZbm.jpg
eBay (link coming)

I believe the three buddies are in the military because, unless I'm mistaken, their hats are on top of the credenza.

The reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/x5XHrH.jpg


Here's a closer look. (there's one of their hats)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I9XkF2.jpg

They're drinking 7-UP and, what looks like, some kind of whiskey. :shrug:


The Wilcox Hotel around the time of their visit.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FBGR9t.jpg
historicconsultants

As you can see, the hotel entrance is actually on Selma and not Wilcox.

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Just because: Here's a close-up of the Wilcox Hotel as seen in the Hollywood Diorama that toured the country from 1946-48 to give people an idea of what the city of Hollywood looked like. (I've mentioned it on NLA before.)

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...PG?format=500wAprilClemmer

There are photos of the diorama at this LINK.


FYI: The Hotel Wilcox building is still there as the Mama Shelter. (The art-deco Hollywood Post Office is across the street.) In 2015 Mama Shelter opened, a "hip hotel, restaurant and bar destination in Hollywood which [...] includes 70 hotel rooms which start around $150 each and include amenities like iMac computers in every room and fun, youthful décor (designed by Philippe Starck) and things like message boards above the fireplace and Hollywood-centric movie scripts included in guest rooms. The ground floor includes a bar, full-service restaurant (with food by Benjamin Bailly) and a coffee shop selling Intelligentsia products. The rooftop features another restaurant/bar as well as an outdoor gym." --LINK.


The area is rapidly changing: The intersection of Selma and Wilcox has seen the opening of the Dream and the French-based Mama Shelter hotels (mentioned above) in the last few years. An under construction Thompson Hotel is slated to rise two doors south of the Mama Shelter on Wilcox. About a half-block to the north, on Wilcox near Hollywood Boulevard, the 134-room Whisky Hotel is in the works. In 2019 the City Council approved plans to build an eight-story hotel at Selma and Wilcox Avenues (the Selma Wilcox Hotel).

The Hollywood Citizen News building next door to Mama Shelter (Hotel Wilcox), a 1936 view:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/t4dW...ISC_1936_5.jpgCurbedLA

A more recent view:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...N+Pic+EDIT.JPGMiramarCapital

The building is set to be transformed into restaurants and events space.

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9053898)
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Here's a closer look. (there's one of their hats)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I9XkF2.jpg

They're drinking 7-UP and, what looks like, some kind of whiskey. :shrug

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Never tried seven up as a mixer with whiskey. Usually use coke or ginger ale. These guys getting a welcome break from the war. Later probably went to USO Hollywood Canteen. Maybe dance with Barbara Stanwyck or some other star. The guy in the middle has a distinctive face. They probably called him "bulldog" or something like that. Would have done well as a character actor playing a fighter, gangster, criminal or other tough guy. The guy on the left would have got the second fiddle funny best friend parts. The guy on the right maybe a steady eddie banker or teacher.

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9054645)
I'd tend to agree based on the number of horse drawn delivery vehicles that it would probably be pre-WWI, the gasometer seemed to be there in 1906 based on the Sanbourn.

https://i.postimg.cc/SQrWr7BZ/ca6562...033673-map.png via lapl

Maybe even 1910- 1912?. Those dresses on the women are ankle length. By war entry in 1917 the hemlines had gone above that, in some cases up to 6 inches above the ankles. Plus all those horse carriages.

ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2020 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9055136)

Never tried seven up as a mixer with whiskey. Usually use coke or ginger ale.

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My parents weren't drinkers but on the rare occasion they did imbibe it was always the old standby, 7 & 7. (Seagram's 7 Crown Whiskey and 7-UP)




Complimentary soap from the Wilcox Hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/Uk2hT6.jpg
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I was surprised the address of the Wilcox Hotel isn't on Wilcox but on Selma Avenue.







But I should have known because the entrance to the hotel is on Selma. (SHOWN BELOW - ON THE RIGHT)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tvIEGq.jpg
detail

Look right up there :previous:................................................................................................................



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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 27, 2020 1:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9055144)
Maybe even 1910- 1912?. Those dresses on the women are ankle length. By war entry in 1917 the hemlines had gone above that, in some cases up to 6 inches above the ankles. Plus all those horse carriages.

It wouldn't be before 1911, that's when the Klein Produce Co. and Simpson Produce Co. merged.

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 5:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9054645)
I'd tend to agree based on the number of horse drawn delivery vehicles that it would probably be pre-WWI, the gasometer seemed to be there in 1906 based on the Sanbourn.

https://i.postimg.cc/SQrWr7BZ/ca6562...033673-map.png via lapl

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9055161)
It wouldn't be before 1911, that's when the Klein Produce Co. and Simpson Produce Co. merged.

In fact maybe 1911 is the date of the photo. They took it when they opened. Makes sense. Look at all the people lined up like they were posing, maybe the employees? Why else would this pic be taken? Photos like this were taken on special occasions back then. Grand Opening would qualify.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 27, 2020 5:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9055304)
In fact maybe 1911 is the date of the photo. They took it when they opened. Makes sense. Look at all the people lined up like they were posing, maybe the employees? Why else would this pic be taken? Photos like this were taken on special occasions back then. Grand Opening would qualify.

Could be, I wasn't trying to narrow down the date, just the location.

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9053670)
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I don't believe we have visited the Klein & Simpson Fruit Company on NLA but even if we have, we haven't seen each & everyone of their employees! ! !


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/3TpzYm.jpg
eBay

hmmm. . .maybe the people are fruit growers & vendors.

also note the gas-o-meter at far right - - - >



Here are some close-ups.


#1
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/hCrCUO.jpg






#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FvysrJ.jpg






#3
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/WnaVW8.jpg


The seller included the address..... Ninth and San Pedro St. (I haven't confirmed it)

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1911 Grand Opening in all likelihood. Calinative. Bill.

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9055312)
Could be, I wasn't trying to narrow down the date, just the location.

You can be the location sleuth, I'll be the date sleuth.:cheers:

Martin Pal Sep 27, 2020 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9055136)
These guys getting a welcome break from the war. Later probably went to USO Hollywood Canteen. Maybe dance with Barbara Stanwyck or some other star. The guy in the middle has a distinctive face. They probably called him "bulldog" or something like that. Would have done well as a character actor playing a fighter, gangster, criminal or other tough guy. The guy on the left would have got the second fiddle funny best friend parts. The guy on the right maybe a steady eddie banker or teacher.

And the person taking the photo a cameraman. :D.

As for going to the Hollywood Canteen, I'm afraid these boys missed out.
It wasn't to open for another month...October 3, 1942.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9053898)
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/x5XHrH.jpg
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They could have visited the Hollywood USO club on Cahuenga Blvd. at that time, however. The Hollywood USO opened on February 2, 1942, until June of 1943, when it moved to a second location a block or two south on the west side of Cahuenga.

The original location was on the second floor of the building on the southeast corner of Hollywood & Cahuenga Blvds., entrance on Cahuenga (if it's the same 1943 address as now it's 1654 Cahuenga.), so the photo below is its second location. 1531 Cahuenga.

https://i2.wp.com/martinturnbull.com...87%2C355&ssl=1

CaliNative Sep 27, 2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9055716)
And the person taking the photo a cameraman. :D.

As for going to the Hollywood Canteen, I'm afraid these boys missed out.
It wasn't to open for another month...October 3, 1942.




They could have visited the Hollywood USO club on Cahuenga Blvd. at that time, however. The Hollywood USO opened on February 2, 1942, until June of 1943, when it moved to a second location a block or two south on the west side of Cahuenga.

The original location was on the second floor of the building on the southeast corner of Hollywood & Cahuenga Blvds., entrance on Cahuenga (if it's the same 1943 address as now it's 1654 Cahuenga.), so the photo below is its second location. 1531 Cahuenga.

https://i2.wp.com/martinturnbull.com...87%2C355&ssl=1

^^^
Maybe that's them standing in front, the cameraman the 4th buddy. I sure hope they got "lucky" with Barbara Stanwyck or Paulette Goddard. Charlie wouldn't have minded.

ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2020 4:18 AM

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Once more. . . .
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/9NWxeK.jpg
eBay

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9055716)

And the person taking the photo a cameraman. :D.

Is it possible the three buddies placed the camera on the floor and used a self timer? If there had been a fourth person I'd imagine they would have posed on the bed.


but there's an obvious PROBLEM with this scenario: Were cameras with self-timers commercially available in the 1940s? :shrug:








Before I beat the Wilcox Hotel to death

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/711/hImCoG.gif


I just realized the Wilcox Hotel is in this noirish photograph from 1937.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/jAePY4.jpg
martinturnbull

:previous: That's the Wilcox Hotel on the left.

....We're looking north on Wilcox just before Selma. Hollywood Blvd. is in the distance. (the two lighted towers are atop the Warners Theater) . . .as most of you already know.


re: the noirish photo....."All we need is a trench coat, a set of brass knuckles, and a dame with a secret, and we’re all set.".....Martin Turnbull

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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2020 5:07 AM

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There's a good chance the three buddies also visited Long Beach.


The following three snapshot were listed on eBay by the seller who listed the Wilcox Hotel photograph and, like the Wilcox Hotel photo, they're dated 1942.
One of them (the third one, below) has writing on the reverse that appears to match the writing on the back of the Wilcox Hotel snapshot.

#1
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/YbZcUJ.jpg
ebay



A closer look at #1.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/QXKKcr.jpg
detail

That's a nifty liquor store built in front of a house.









#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CUMg65.jpg
ebay















This is my favorite of the three.

#3
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Ia3pzk.jpg
ebay

I don't recognize this Hilton as being in long Beach. .


but this is the one that has writing on the back & it does, in fact, say Long Beach.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/pi4MU4.jpg



A closer look at #3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/lH3PVo.jpg
detail

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HossC Sep 28, 2020 5:26 PM

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The Hilton Hotel was one of the names that The Breakers Hotel at 210 E Ocean Boulevard has gone by over the years.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
GSV

HossC Sep 28, 2020 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9056138)

This one was taken just down the street from the Hilton Hotel. On the left, the Fox West Coast Theatre was at 333 E Ocean Boulevard. The Westin Hotel Long Beach has replaced many of the buildings in the image above, but the Cooper Arms, the large building in the background on the right, is still standing at 455 E Ocean Boulevard.

The "Bulk Wine" sign most likely belonged to Benjamin Krupinsky's Liquor store at 345 E Ocean. It shared an address with Milton P Skinner's postage stamp business.

Scott Charles Sep 28, 2020 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9056113)
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Once more. . . .
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/9NWxeK.jpg
eBay

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Is it possible the three buddies placed the camera on the floor and used a self timer? If there had been a fourth person I'd imagine they would have posed on the bed.


but there's an obvious PROBLEM with this scenario: Were cameras with self-timers commercially sold in the 1940s? :shrug:

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The first patented self-timer involved lighting a fuse! But the second patent issued was for what we would more readily recognize as a self-timer was granted to the Faries Autopoze on January 14, 1902:

https://i.imgur.com/XWOHSID.jpg


Self-timers were first marketed to the general public during the WWI era; the image below, touting this “newest” device, is from either 1916 or 1917 (the exact printing date of this brochure is up for debate):

https://i.imgur.com/YkvhkBQ.jpg

Self-timers became ubiquitous with the general public in the early 1930s - early enough that the lads in the above photo certainly could have used one.

This is the oldest self-timer that I own - a Polaroid #192 from 1963:

https://i.imgur.com/bfmuJby.jpg

It still functions perfectly!


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