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CityBoyDoug Sep 4, 2020 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9031341)
And I never knew one to be referred to as a helistop. :shrug:

I wonder what graphic artist coined that term.....''helistop''. It didn't catch on.:D

ethereal_reality Sep 4, 2020 5:05 AM

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Yes, my memory is shot.


Here's an interesting snapshot just listed on eBay.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FLWfmX.jpg

As you can see it shows a woman (tourist?) posing with a burro in front of the Temple Cafe.




Let's take a closer look. .....................- - - > per the sign on the right the cafe serves Steaks, Chops & Beer.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zumxUt.jpg

The burro appears to have an exclamation point above its head !


I am almost certain we have discussed the Temple Cafe on NLA but I don't recall the address.
When I went to look it up I only received two hits in the LA directories.


This one. (1973)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/BFFvEB.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/BKKjjj.jpg
lapl

The owner must have been religious. . . or a Steinbeck fan.




The other hit is just wrong. It combined two dif. lines (Sun Cafe . .not Temple Cafe)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/S7qtwm.jpg
lapl



This 2nd photo is included with the Temple Cafe photo. (note the 'coliseum' border)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Ef8COJ.jpg
eBay

The tower in the background sure looks like a mosque.






I decided to go ahead and post this 3rd photograph as well. (same listing)

Another woman with a burro. This times there's a cart involved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/iOJzbm.jpg
eBay

Does anyone recognize the building in this background?



There are more interesting photographs in this grouping. Check them out at this Link
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CityBoyDoug Sep 4, 2020 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9031742)
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Yes, my memory is shot.
)

Another woman with a burro. This times there's a cart involved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/iOJzbm.jpg
eBay

Does anyone recognize the building in this background?



There are more interesting photographs in this grouping. Check them out at this Link
.

background looks like LA Train Station slightly....but probably not.

Snix Sep 4, 2020 6:30 PM

There has been some discussion here about funiculars but I don't think I've seen the 1938 Saul Harris Brown residence at 2339 Silver Ridge Drive in Silver Lake. Michael Locke mentions a funicular to the streamline moderne house on his Flickr page below
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...31c1d731_c.jpg
(LAT 16 Jan 1949)


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_locke/6729680229

Snix Sep 4, 2020 7:58 PM

The photo of the wishing well was taken at Agua Caliente in Tijuana. I'm wondering if the donkey photo op was also at Caliente. I can't remember seeing it before.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xlIAA...wu/s-l1600.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hand-Colore...-/193002367690

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9031742)
.
Yes, my memory is shot.


Here's an interesting snapshot just listed on eBay.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FLWfmX.jpg

As you can see it shows a woman (tourist?) posing with a burro in front of the Temple Cafe.




Let's take a closer look. .....................- - - > per the sign on the right the cafe serves Steaks, Chops & Beer.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zumxUt.jpg

The burro appears to have an exclamation point above its head !


I am almost certain we have discussed the Temple Cafe on NLA but I don't recall the address.
When I went to look it up I only received two hits in the LA directories.


This one. (1973)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/BFFvEB.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/BKKjjj.jpg
lapl

The owner must have been religious. . . or a Steinbeck fan.




The other hit is just wrong. It combined two dif. lines (Sun Cafe . .not Temple Cafe)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/S7qtwm.jpg
lapl



This 2nd photo is included with the Temple Cafe photo. (note the 'coliseum' border)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Ef8COJ.jpg
eBay

The tower in the background sure looks like a mosque.






I decided to go ahead and post this 3rd photograph as well. (same listing)

Another woman with a burro. This times there's a cart involved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/iOJzbm.jpg
eBay

Does anyone recognize the building in this background?



There are more interesting photographs in this grouping. Check them out at this Link
.


odinthor Sep 4, 2020 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9031742)
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[...]

eBay

The tower in the background sure looks like a mosque.


I decided to go ahead and post this 3rd photograph as well. (same listing)

Another woman with a burro. This times there's a cart involved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/iOJzbm.jpg
eBay

Does anyone recognize the building in this background?



There are more interesting photographs in this grouping. Check them out at this Link
.

e_r, the group of photos seems to include, as has been noted, both L.A. and Agua Caliente. The cross in one of the pix at the link

https://i.postimg.cc/2Sh7qCrV/Cross.jpg
ebay, detail from postcard

is, I'm pretty sure, the cross on Olvera Street; but though Olvera St. has had donkeys, so did Agua Caliente (different donkeys; but I'm especially looking at the cart in the two pix):

https://i.postimg.cc/sX6YFX90/Donkey.jpg
pinterest

CityBoyDoug Sep 5, 2020 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9032537)
e_r, the group of photos seems to include, as has been noted, both L.A. and Agua Caliente. The cross in one of the pix at the link

https://i.postimg.cc/2Sh7qCrV/Cross.jpg
ebay, detail from postcard

is, I'm pretty sure, the cross on Olvera Street; but though Olvera St. has had donkeys, so did Agua Caliente (different donkeys; but I'm especially looking at the cart in the two pix):

https://i.postimg.cc/sX6YFX90/Donkey.jpg
pinterest

As I remember the Tijuana donkey carts featured the donkey painted to resemble a Zebra....but not always.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/390AA...oLJ/s-l400.jpg
tijuana tourists file

MartinTurnbull Sep 5, 2020 4:07 AM

Location? Location? Location?
 
A discussion popped up this week on Instagram and overflowed to Twitter, trying to establish the location of the photo. The only info provided said:

"Dizzying photo of a six-room house being moved up a very steep hill (22.5%!) somewhere in Los Angeles on July 12, 1951. The caption adds that the two trucks had to be anchored to manholes & telephone poles, with winches used to pull the house."

It looks to me like the area around Silverlake and the 5 Freeway.

Any guesses, educated or otherwise?

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...ly-12-1951.jpg

nadeau Sep 5, 2020 4:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9029549)
Here's a callback to my very first post, where I was wondering whether the Sisters of Charity school was L-shaped or rectangular.

Flyingwedge came up with a rather amazing photo of the building, with one arm of the "L" obviously removed.

So here's what I was ultimately after. Below is a very famous photo, reportedly taken in 1863. The clearest version I could find was at the Huntington, which is zoomable. (My cropped version isn't good as possible)
https://i.postimg.cc/SsFMZ2MB/Annotated-Water-Wheel.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vHsdQQrG/Annotated-Zoomed.jpg
Huntinton Digital Library

So did I correctly identify the Sisters of Charity and Poundcake Hill?
I put this in a YouTube video, even though I'm not 100% sure.

It’s hard to identify all of the hills in any direction, but my inclination is that the water wheel was at the top end of the Zanja Madre on the west bank of LA River, so unless there is a short bend in the river, it seems like this photo is facing south or east. Hard to say for sure. It does look like a large building akin to Sisters of Charity. Also it seems a view of Poundcake Hill would be overshadowed by Bunker Hill.

Scott Charles Sep 5, 2020 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 9032749)
A discussion popped up this week on Instagram and overflowed to Twitter, trying to establish the location of the photo. The only info provided said:

"Dizzying photo of a six-room house being moved up a very steep hill (22.5%!) somewhere in Los Angeles on July 12, 1951. The caption adds that the two trucks had to be anchored to manholes & telephone poles, with winches used to pull the house."

It looks to me like the area around Silverlake and the 5 Freeway.

Any guesses, educated or otherwise?

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...ly-12-1951.jpg

No guessing required, that's Baxter Street, looking north, I believe.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0905...4!8i8192?hl=en

Bodin Sep 5, 2020 8:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9029557)
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mystery location.

... Circus wagons in Thousand Oaks.[1956]


A circus-centric seller on eBay has slides of old discarded circus wagons stored on an unnamed property in Thousand Oaks.




#1
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/NxgzUy.jpg
eBay




#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/jT4bH3.jpg
eBay

Judging by the weeds the wagons have been all but forgotten (& haven't been moved in years)




The slides are all labeled. . .
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/xtsPwk.jpg



Are there any noirishers from the Thousand Oaks area :shrug: that knows where this place is/was located?









Here's one more. .... (I've been trying to decipher what it says on the wagon)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/Xx3yA4.jpg

. . .more weeds.





There are others. .Here. .(includes vintage Chevron sign).......and Here...(KTLA circus wagon)





Arthur Bros Circus

Mstimc Sep 5, 2020 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9032262)
background looks like LA Train Station slightly....but probably not.

Reminds me of the picture my wife (who was born in Mexico) forced me to take with the fake stuffed jackass in front of Olvera Street a few years ago. Besides the cultural appropriation, I felt like an idiot in a sombrero and fake rifle.

odinthor Sep 5, 2020 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9032848)
No guessing required, that's Baxter Street, looking north, I believe.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0905...4!8i8192?hl=en

Yep, looks that way!

I think this:

https://i.postimg.cc/65xB0rFj/2022-Bax-Detail.jpg
detail from pic in earlier posting

is 2022 Baxter:

https://i.postimg.cc/Gmcd0cLv/2022-Baxter-Apr2009.jpg
gsv, April '09

They enlarged the windows!

The house above it, obscured by vegetation, is I suspect the same structure as the one above it in the earlier pic.

Martin Pal Sep 5, 2020 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 9032870)
Reminds me of the picture my wife (who was born in Mexico) forced me to take with the fake stuffed jackass in front of Olvera Street a few years ago. Besides the cultural appropriation, I felt like an idiot in a sombrero and fake rifle.
______________________________________________________________

Tim, if your wife was fine with it...? I'd also like to see that photo! :)

I hope the term "cultural appropriation" is a fad. When I first head that term and people talking and writing about it, my thought was, "so what if someone from a different culture likes something from another culture and delves into it? I mean, though it doesn't come from real cultures, isn't that what fans of Star Wars, Star Trek (Trekkies) and super-hero movies essentially are doing, too? No harm no foul there, though, because those things were made up?

The whole idea of the term to me seems to be that if there is cultural appropriation, someone is getting something taken away from them, or someone else is getting something they don't deserve. Or both. The whole idea of that term just makes me think that everyone nowadays is looking for some reason to be offended by or from something or someone else.

I mean, if current Americans suddenly got interested and started replicating the fashions/dress and art and customs of colonial times would that be a cultural appropriation of their own history? Because you rarely see any of that anywhere.

People want everyone to come together and yet they keep doing things to separate people coming together. If I was really into something from another culture and was told I shouldn't be, I'd be offended.

There's lots of various good articles about the subject from all sides, linked on wikipedia if people want to read them.

Lwize Sep 6, 2020 2:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9031738)
I wonder what graphic artist coined that term.....''helistop''. It didn't catch on.:D

In the early 60's, we were looking at a "future" of local helicopter transportation, so this bus stop for helicopters was visionary.

Much like flying cars and wristwatch TV's. They'll never make a TV that small!

CaliNative Sep 6, 2020 8:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9029549)
Here's a callback to my very first post, where I was wondering whether the Sisters of Charity school was L-shaped or rectangular.

Flyingwedge came up with a rather amazing photo of the building, with one arm of the "L" obviously removed.

So here's what I was ultimately after. Below is a very famous photo, reportedly taken in 1863. The clearest version I could find was at the Huntington, which is zoomable. (My cropped version isn't good as possible)
https://i.postimg.cc/SsFMZ2MB/Annotated-Water-Wheel.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vHsdQQrG/Annotated-Zoomed.jpg
Huntinton Digital Library

So did I correctly identify the Sisters of Charity and Poundcake Hill?
I put this in a YouTube video, even though I'm not 100% sure.

^^^
That big water (?) lifting wheel looks interesting. I wonder if it was powered by
steam, animals or maybe people? Would the current in the river be enough--doubt it. Convicts? Zorro was still alive (but retired) when that pic was taken. Amazing.

CaliNative Sep 6, 2020 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9033234)
Tim, if your wife was fine with it...? I'd also like to see that photo! :)

I hope the term "cultural appropriation" is a fad. When I first head that term and people talking and writing about it, my thought was, "so what if someone from a different culture likes something from another culture and delves into it? I mean, though it doesn't come from real cultures, isn't that what fans of Star Wars, Star Trek (Trekkies) and super-hero movies essentially are doing, too? No harm no foul there, though, because those things were made up?

^^^
Trekkies will do, but "Trekkers" is now the more acceptible designation for people of that persuasion. V

HossC Sep 6, 2020 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9029549)

Here's a callback to my very first post, where I was wondering whether the Sisters of Charity school was L-shaped or rectangular.

Flyingwedge came up with a rather amazing photo of the building, with one arm of the "L" obviously removed.

So here's what I was ultimately after. Below is a very famous photo, reportedly taken in 1863. The clearest version I could find was at the Huntington, which is zoomable. (My cropped version isn't good as possible)
https://i.postimg.cc/SsFMZ2MB/Annotated-Water-Wheel.jpg

So did I correctly identify the Sisters of Charity and Poundcake Hill?
I put this in a YouTube video, even though I'm not 100% sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9033532)

^^^
That big water (?) lifting wheel looks interesting. I wonder if it was powered by
steam, animals or maybe people? Would the current in the river be enough--doubt it. Convicts? Zorro was still alive (but retired) when that pic was taken. Amazing.

There's also a zoomable version of the photo at USC. Their caption says:
Photograph of the water wheel near Elysian Park which raised water from the Zanja Madre that flowed to a reservoir in the Pueblo, ca.1870. This wheel was shipped from San Francisco and erected at a point just north of the Southern Pacific Railway yards at Elysian Park. The wheel raised water 36 feet from the Zanja Madre and the water flowed through wooden flumes to a reservoir located at the Los Angeles Plaza. The wheel itself had paddles 6-feet wide to each of which was fastened a 15-gallon bucket. Agricultural tracts visible in the background.
Despite the vague "ca. 1870" in the description, the photo itself has "Raising Water From The Zanja, Los Angeles, 1868" printed underneath it.

Mackerm Sep 6, 2020 10:58 AM

:previous:
Thanks!
Here's a well-sourced article with loads of information about the Dryden water wheel. The 1863 date for the photo seems close to accurate.

Side note: the article mentions proposals for a "ram" pump on the zanja, which seems a simpler solution than the water wheel. Hydraulic rams take advantage of the "water hammer" effect. Stream water flows through a long, gently sloped iron pipe with a valve at the bottom end. When the water get to a certain speed, the valve slams shut, and the momentarily pressurized water is forced into an uphill tube.

I spent some time studying the 1869 Rendall panorama taken from Poundcake hill, which shows more on the left side (north) than one might expect, though I didn't actually map out the location of anything. (Trying to figure out if the foot of Solano Canyon is within the view, and thus, whether poundcake hill was visible from the foot of Solano canyon, where the wheel was sited.)

Another thing: Poundcake hill really looks like a separate hill, with slopes in all directions. I'm not sure that Fort Moore hill was much more than a promontory. Old USGS topo maps are useless.

Mstimc Sep 6, 2020 11:59 AM

Cool article on one of our favorite subjects: streetlights!

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...designs-photos


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