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Noir_Noir Jun 25, 2019 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8614830)
:previous:

The 1902 CD lists the Model Hand Laundry at 509 Ceres Avenue, which means that 507 was Ravera & Viotto's saloon/wine & liquor wholesale business at 507 Ceres Avenue.



By 1907 it was John M. Miller's Saloon.


https://i.imgur.com/KnBjbMZ.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


If the picture is from 1908/09, which is a possibility, the bar's proprietor was Herman M. Claussen.



The poster appears to be promoting a boxing match of lightweight "Battling Nelson" (Oscar Mattheus Nielsen)

https://i.imgur.com/R02ObYI.jpg
boxrec.com


He boxed three times in Los Angeles according to his fight record. All three bouts were at the Pacific Athletic Club Pavilion (Naud Junction Pavilion).

February 4th 1908 - lost to Rudy Unholz.

March 3rd 1908 - drew with Jimmy Britt.

July 13th 1909 - lost to Ad Wolgast.

Mstimc Jun 25, 2019 1:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8614753)
It requires assembly....looked kind of difficult.

Weren't these things made of cardboard? Note the reference to "sturdy 200lb. test material".

odinthor Jun 25, 2019 5:36 AM

Speaking of 507 Ceres Avenue . . .


https://i.postimg.cc/rydtS6NV/507-Ceres11-28-99.jpg
LA Times of 11/28/1899, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

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https://i.postimg.cc/zXKbcnQ4/507-Ceres-Her7-26-03.jpg
LA Herald of 7/26/1903 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

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https://i.postimg.cc/52JYdXdy/507-Ceres-Her2-2-18.jpg
LA Herald of 2/2/1918 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2019 6:21 PM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/9hhHEh.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8614830)
The 1902 CD lists the Model Hand Laundry at 509 Ceres Avenue, which means that 507 was Ravera & Viotto's saloon/wine & liquor wholesale business at 507 Ceres Avenue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8614903)
By 1907 it was John M. Miller's Saloon.

https://i.imgur.com/KnBjbMZ.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

If the picture is from 1908/09, which is a possibility, the bar's proprietor was Herman M. Claussen.

Excellent! Thanks Hoss & Noir Noir.






I asked if anyone could decipher this poster.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/7715pO.jpg
DETAIL / from the above photo.

Sure enough! Noir Noir comes to the rescue.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir Noir
The poster appears to be promoting a boxing match of lightweight "Battling Nelson" (Oscar Mattheus Nielsen)

https://i.imgur.com/R02ObYI.jpg
boxrec.com


He boxed three times in Los Angeles according to his fight record.
All three bouts were at the Pacific Athletic Club Pavilion (Naud Junction Pavilion).

February 4th 1908 - lost to Rudy Unholz.

March 3rd 1908 - drew with Jimmy Britt.


Battling Nelson
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/Xi6Wc1.jpg
josports

History: On February 4, 1908 at Naud Junction Pavilion in Los Angeles lightweights Battling Nelson and Rudy Unholz fought in the main event.
Unholz prevailed winning a ten round decision. Under the city ordinance, no decision could be given. <- - -Huh? :shrug:

Price: $235.00





I found an interesting tidbit in his book, Battling Nelson, in his own words.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yUTGLi.jpg
google_books


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/HpWiZS.jpg

I searched everywhere for more information on Barney Bloom's Turkish Baths [on Third st] but kept running into dead ends.






That is, UNTIL....I searched under "baths" and found Bloom spelled Blum.

Aha!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/myifoy.jpg
lapl / 1906 city directory.



but I can't figure out the address because of the weird way the 1906 directory is laid out.


Here is the complete page.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dIDpPg.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/zLyL8b.jpg

Is this the Third st. address (as mentioned in Nelson's book)...or a different address? (note: it's listed under SOUTH SIDE)


Fnarf Jun 25, 2019 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8614808)
:previous:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/pFaRkk.jpg

spittoons and tobacco spit...spread around by shoes. :yuck:

.

Unless this is one of those pissoir troughs previously mentioned here.

A few very divey, men-only pulquerias in Mexico City had open urine troughs along the base of the bar until very recently, possibly even still. So convenient! So gross!

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2019 6:31 PM

. . .so how was the fountain pen going to help?
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor
https://i.postimg.cc/52JYdXdy/507-Ceres-Her2-2-18.jpg
LA Herald of 2/2/1918 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

Tony Mussel is the perfect name for a bartender.

Thanks for the info. odinthor. I appreciate it.


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CityBoyDoug Jun 25, 2019 9:38 PM

Mystery corner.... 54100 W. Sunset. Cross street?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4887368d...xa0o1_1280.jpg
MSF

HossC Jun 25, 2019 10:35 PM

:previous:

It's N Western Avenue at Sunset, so the sign actually says "Sunset Blvd 5400 W". Here's a later (1979) shot from a different angle. It looks like the Village Cafe is still on the corner.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...etWestern1.jpg
LAPL

CityBoyDoug Jun 25, 2019 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8615968)
:previous:
It's N Western Avenue at Sunset, so the sign actually says "Sunset Blvd 5400 W". Here's a later (1979) shot from a different angle. It looks like the Village Cafe is still on the corner.

Hey cool Hoss.....that's about the time I lived on Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood.
Thank you. and for the correction of the number... :D:cheers::tup:

Godzilla Jun 26, 2019 1:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8615974)
Hey cool Hoss.....that's about the time I lived on Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood.

Thank you. and for the correction of the number... :D:cheers::tup:


Back in 2012, when dinosaurs were still traversing the area, :banaride:

that photo provoked some other images of the immediate vicinity. ;) See, e.g., http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5681159&postcount=7527

CityBoyDoug Jun 26, 2019 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8616110)
Back in 2012, when dinosaurs were still traversing the area, :banaride:

that photo provoked some other images of the immediate vicinity. ;) See, e.g., http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5681159&postcount=7527

My photo post image goes back to page 376....long long before my time on NLA. That was 2012. I was just a kid then.
We all love to see reposts. Hey thanks. :D:cheers::D

Flyingwedge Jun 26, 2019 2:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8615671)


I found an interesting tidbit in his book, Battling Nelson, in his own words.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yUTGLi.jpg
google_books


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/HpWiZS.jpg

I searched everywhere for more information on Barney Bloom's Turkish Baths [on Third st] but kept running into dead ends.



That is, UNTIL....I searched under "baths" and found Bloom spelled Blum.

Aha!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/myifoy.jpg
lapl / 1906 city directory.



but I can't figure out the address because of the weird way the 1906 directory is laid out.


Is this the Third st. address (as mentioned in Nelson's book)...or a different address? (note: it's listed under SOUTH SIDE)


Yes, some of those early directories are hard to follow!

Battling Nelson's memory was off by one street because the turkish bath was at 132 E. 4th Street in the Hotel Venice
building, which we visited in a few posts starting at the bottom of page 1388 and continuing at the top of page 1389.
The building was still standing the last time the googlemobile went by in February 2017.

Noir_Noir Jun 26, 2019 10:57 AM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8616195)
The building was still standing the last time the googlemobile went by in February 2017.


Looks like the building had a prospective intimate date with the wrecking crew once before.

In among the permits for the Venice Hotel/turkish baths building is this close shave with demolition from June 1970.

At that point it says the owner was the City of Los Angeles.


https://i.imgur.com/FnNErHi.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org


Guess the wreckers were busy elsewhere and the building was stood up. :)

Confessing Sam Jun 26, 2019 6:21 PM

Hi, everyone!

I stumbled upon this forum while searching for vintage photos of Echo Park, and I'm obsessed. I've always had a fascination with old buildings and city histories, and Hollywood's golden age.

I haven't perused through all the pages, so forgive me if they've been posted, but I was interested in seeing old photos of the Ambassador Hotel (site of RFK assassination), Cocoanut Grove, or any of The Black Dahlia's old haunts (Biltmore, Boardner's). Yep, I'm a true crime buff!

Also, any photos of The Pike in Long Beach?

Thanks!

:skull:

ethereal_reality Jun 26, 2019 7:06 PM

Welcome to NLA Confessing Sam.

re: Black Dahlia (Elizabeth Short)

Besides NLA, you can find all kinds of interesting information & photographs at "The Black Dahlia in Hollywood". Click HERE

Also "The Black Dahlia, The 1947 Murder of Elizabeth Short." Click HERE

ethereal_reality Jun 26, 2019 7:28 PM

I appreciate the follow-ups on Barney Blum's Baths, FW & Noir Noir. Thanks for your help.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/HpWiZS.jpg
from google_book
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8616195)
Battling Nelson's memory was off by one street because the turkish bath was at 132 E. 4th Street in the Hotel Venice
building, which we visited in a few posts starting at the bottom of page 1388 and continuing at the top of page 1389.
The building was still standing the last time the googlemobile went by in February 2017.

The old neon BATHS sign is still there. (per FW's link)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/IVsTzS.png
gsv

It has seen better days.





Asso..oops..Also, have we ever seen the interior of the Edison building? (next door to the bath)... I am especially curious about the atrium...(visible in this aerial)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/lnRUff.jpg
google_earth.

or would this be considered a 'light well'...as opposed to an atrium?



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ethereal_reality Jun 26, 2019 8:23 PM

I know that we have seen the Watts Station on NLA..

The following are amateur slides recently found on Ebay.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zG3oyR.jpg
ebay



A closer look at the commerce across the street from the station.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Bm1Boh.jpg
DETAIL

Wasn't there some kind of hotdog stand nearby? ..or am I thinking of another train stop?
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ethereal_reality Jun 26, 2019 8:33 PM

The amateur photographer went above and beyond.

He had the sense to back up and include the nearby substation.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pkvWuT.jpg
ebay





Wait! There's two more.


This one includes the train.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/6CbumU.jpg
ebay







This is probably the best slide of the substation.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/qO8v8j.jpg
ebay






If you go to google_earth you can still see where the substation used to stand. ... Click HERE if you'd like to check it out for yourself.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/AQ9rbs.jpg
google_earth

But I'm not 100% sure if it's the 'square' directly below the station..or the larger, undefined area below it. What are your thoughts?

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Snix Jun 26, 2019 11:20 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8616863] Yelp user "Jason P." says that the "KLYT bath house" on 4th St. closed in November, 2018. https://www.yelp.com/biz/klyt-bath-house-los-angeles

Blamour Jun 27, 2019 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadykadie2 (Post 8613642)
We had a great Hamburger Hamlet here in Costa Mesa that closed in the 90's. Still miss it. I think those were the only 2 locations

I'm sure this has been covered here before and a search will reveal the history of Harry Lewis's HH chain. By the 1970s there were many Hamlet restaurants, at least 7 or 8. The Sunset Blvd store eventually moved west a couple of blocks. Most were gone by 2000 or so but the last one closed in Sherman Oaks in the last year or so.

They were great places for a family night, a date or just to sit at the counter and grab a meal. They were right balance between casual and fancy, with reasonable prices and good food. As a kid I lived near the original Sunset store in the 1960s, it was a small dark place with odd little dioramas with figures and printed text from Shakespere's plays on the walls. A hang out for the hot rodders cruising the Strip among others. I believe the spot is now the small showroom of an exotic car dealership.

Once my family moved to West LA we often patronized the HH in Westwood Village where I saw Charles Bronson and Neil Simon often enough to get a smile or a wave or a squint in acknowledgement that I was a "regular." I met my first serious girlfriend when she was working there in the late '70s or early '80s.

A chain fondly remembered by all its patrons!


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