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oldstuff May 12, 2017 6:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7802631)
:previous:

Yes, extraordinary find ScottyB. How amazing to see the Rust home not draped in plants.

Is that the beginning of the rose bush near the left door? And odinthor, what is that sapling with the enormous leaves?


ETA, No roses e_r, but this splendid cedar tree may date from Rust's time. It would have been in his side yard:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qe...Q=w658-h581-no
gsv

Maybe the tree with the enormous leaves is a Catalpa. They do have leaves that are very large and shaped like that.

HossC May 12, 2017 7:00 PM

I've just got a teaser from Julius Shulman today. This is "Job 4847: Bernard Judge, Tree House - construction, 1972".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The three shots all show the support beams for the unusual house, with slightly different views in the background.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

In case you can't make out the buildings in the distance, we're in the hills above West Hollywood.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Now that I've laid the foundations (pun intended), I'll post pictures of the completed house and its location tomorrow.

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7803704)
I found Bolsa on this 1925 PE map, with Bolsa Chica on the coast.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LALaBolsa1.jpg
Detail of image from www.huffingtonpost.com

:previous: Thanks Hoss. (now I'm intrigued about Acelga too).....and Delhi. (I'm very inquisitive ;))



I also found La Bolsa in the lower left of this 1890 map.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/WJ8wFI.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/...aheim-1900.jpg

note there's a S at the end of both words.
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p.s. The streetcar in the photo I posted (of La Bolsa station) has 'Special' on the front. (why would that be?) -since it's pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.

tovangar2 May 12, 2017 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803743)
note there's a S at the end of both words.
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p.s. The streetcar in the photo I posted (of La Bolsa station) has 'Special' on the front. (why?)

I translated "La Bolsa" as "the bag", but wiki gives a better version:
"The Spanish name "las bolsas" means "the pockets", and refers to pockets of land amongst the marsh wetlands of the Santa Ana River estuary."

Las Bolsas later became the property of Abel Sterns:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/q9...A=w619-h631-no
calisphere

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 8:38 PM

t2, here's an interesting tidbit-

"In 1842 Stearns bought the 28,000-acre Rancho Los Alamitos (between the Los Angeles and the harbor). However, there was a drought between 1862 and 1864
which was said to have resulted in the death of 50,000 cattle on Stearns land alone. Stearns mortgaged the rancho to Michael Reese, who then purchased it
at a sheriff's sale and Reese's estate then sold it to John W. Bixby."


[continued below]

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 8:48 PM

I'm not sure if this photograph was taken before or after the drought mentioned above. (I'll guess before)

Abel Stearns, Rancho Los Alamtos. [no date]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/UdrgJR.jpg
True West Magazine https://twitter.com/TrueWestMag/stat...22493099302912


sidenote:
-the ranch house was built on the site of what once was a trading village of the Gabrielino-Tongva people.

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tovangar2 May 12, 2017 9:26 PM

:previous:
The Los Alamitos ranch house is still there. The Rancho Los Alamitos site dates your photo to 1887. Note the water tank with the brick "cool house" beneath it at the rear of the adobe. Abel Stearns built the bunkhouse wing on the left.


Los Alamitos was another one of Abel Sterns holdings e_r. It, and Los Cerritos (founded by John Temple), both eventually became the property of members of the Bixby family (Alamitos in 1878).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Qx...Q=w368-h456-no
losalamitoshistory

There are many accounts of the devastating drought of the early 1860s. This LAT article gives a short one.

Sarah Bixby Smith gives a charming account of the history of the Cerritos and Alamitos ranches in "Adobe Days". It may be found here, starting on page 59 and continuing after. She also writes about the drought and notes that Alamitos was the summer retreat of Arcadia Bandini Stearns and Abel Stearns.

The Nieto family built the original four-room, reed-roofed Alamitos adobe to house their vaqueros (and their horses) on the hilltop near the location of Povuu'nga, and its wonderful springs, ca 1804. The Nietos sold the ranch to General Figueroa in 1834 for $500. Abel Stearns bought it from Figueroa in 1840 for $5,500. Although the house has been extended in all directions, the adobe remains at its center, getting a frame second story in 1926.



ETA, Michael Reese, who did Stearns out of Los Alamitos, deserves a post of his own. He was known as the "millionaire miser".
(Stearns mortgaged Los Alamitos to Reese for $20K to pay for the Arcadia Block's bricks, but then the drought happened and the ranch was lost.)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Mu...Q=w536-h206-no
-googlebooks

There's a little bio here

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 10:13 PM

I appreciate the correction t2.

Isn't it amazing the Los Alamitos ranch house is still standing.
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This photograph gives me all kinds of 'noirish' thoughts.

It was taken in Hollywood in 1946.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/dys4fI.jpg
Elliot Erwitt via http://pro.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?V...O6R5A645S&PN=1

It would be interesting to have, say...ten people write a short story using this photograph as inspiration.
(mine would be about a 'down-on-his-luck' Hollywood extra..................or a serial killer.

one thing that's curious is the metal rod several inches from the ceiling in the upper right corner. -it's too high to hang clothes & to far from a window for curtains.





& did you notice this?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/rziYgd.jpgdetail


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riichkay May 12, 2017 10:29 PM

We've seen this one? Photo and caption from reddit.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psz2djvfud.jpg

Los Angeles’ first Chinatown in 1892. It was in its heyday from 1890 to 1910, but an explosion of gambling houses, opium dens, and gang warfare led the government to condemn the land and it is now Union Station.

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 10:33 PM

I believe we have riichkay, but it's such a fantastic photograph it doesn't matter.

I always fixate on that giant horseshoe on the right.
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update:
The photograph I was remembering is actually different.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30726

tovangar2 May 12, 2017 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803890)
I appreciate the correction t2.

Isn't it amazing the Los Alamitos ranch house is still standing.
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This photograph gives me all kinds of 'noirish' thoughts.

It was taken in Hollywood in 1946.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/dys4fI.jpg
Elliot Erwitt via http://pro.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?V...O6R5A645S&PN=1


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The other Bixby ranch house, Los Cerritos ("Little Hills"), still exists too. Like Los Alamitos ("Little Cottonwoods"), it is now a museum open to the public.

.......................................................


That image is very curious. Two photo-floods and a camera? Looks like a set-up for a shoot. That unexplained rod on the right might be to hang backdrops from.

It's looking like the interior of that nudie photographer's bungalow you posted the exterior of recently, except that wasn't in Hollywood.

Flyingwedge May 12, 2017 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 7803904)
We've seen this one? Photo and caption from reddit.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psz2djvfud.jpg

Los Angeles’ first Chinatown in 1892. It was in its heyday from 1890 to 1910, but an explosion of gambling houses, opium dens, and gang warfare led the government to condemn the land and it is now Union Station.

Yes, it's a great photo!

It's 486129 at the Huntington Digital Library if you want to get a closer look.

HossC May 12, 2017 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803890)

This photograph gives me all kinds of 'noirish' thoughts.

It was taken in Hollywood in 1946.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/dys4fI.jpg
Elliot Erwitt via http://pro.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?V...O6R5A645S&PN=1

one thing that's curious is the metal rod several inches from the ceiling in the upper right corner. -it's too high to hang clothes & to far from a window for curtains.

Could it be for a privacy/room dividing curtain?

Wig-Wag May 12, 2017 11:34 PM

Santa Ana - Huntington Beach Line
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803743)
:previous: Thanks Hoss. (now I'm intrigued about Acelga too).....and Delhi. (I'm very inquisitive ;))



I also found La Bolsa in the lower left of this 1890 map.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/WJ8wFI.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/...aheim-1900.jpg

note there's a S at the end of both words.
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p.s. The streetcar in the photo I posted (of La Bolsa station) has 'Special' on the front. (why would that be?) -since it's pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.

ER, Looks like New Delhi and Acelga were early farming communities. Not much to recommend them for the PERY, I guess. . .

SEE: http://www.erha.org/pessahb.htm

Cheers,
Jack

ethereal_reality May 12, 2017 11:43 PM

Thanks Jack!


Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7803917)
That image is very curious. Two photo-floods and a camera? Looks like a set-up for a shoot. That unexplained rod on the right might be to hang backdrops from.

It's looking like the interior of that nudie photographer's bungalow you posted the exterior of recently, except that wasn't in Hollywood.

:previous: Now that you mention it t2- Yes, that is how I imagined the interior of Doyle Russell's studio.

I thought the upright lamp was just a lamp, but now I see it has a floodlight clamped on it. Good eye t2! (& I didn't realize those were cameras on the table) duh

And is that a phonograph atop the bureau in the left corner? (were there portable record players back in 1946?)

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7803923)
Could it be for a privacy/room dividing curtain?

I thought of that too Hoss, but for some reason I think there's a wall right there beyond the edge of the photo.(something about the shadows I guess)

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This just occurred to me.
Could this be where Elloitt Erwitt stayed while he was in Los Angeles?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/6uv62h.png




One more thing: Is this a portable record player atop the bureau in the left corner?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/2mJs87.jpg
detail

-I'm not even sure if portable record players existed back in 1946.

Ed Workman May 12, 2017 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 7803960)
ER, Looks like New Delhi and Acelga were early farming communities. Not much to recommend them for the PERY, I guess. . .

SEE: http://www.erha.org/pessahb.htm

Cheers,
Jack

DELHI was the site of a sugar refinery- lasted until 1980
Special car was almost certainly a Railroad Bososters fan trip- can anyone read the dash sign?
PE delivered beets to the Delhi plant from the Talbert area- south and west across the Santa Ana RIver.
The bridge, and the road bridge washed out. As the beet Harvest was seasonal and usually not in the rainy season PE relaid tracks in the riverbed and pulled them up after the beet campaigh was over. This went on into the 20s but I have been unable to find anything about when they gave up
Thanks loads for sharing the pic
regards
Ed

ethereal_reality May 13, 2017 12:36 AM

:previous: Thanks for the additional information Ed.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 7803977)
Special car was almost certainly a Railroad Bososters fan trip- can anyone read the dash sign?

close-up
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/AoJux5.jpg

Ed, I suggest you squint. ;)

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CityBoyDoug May 13, 2017 1:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803969)
Thanks Jack!



:previous: Now that you mention it t2- Yes, that is how I imagined the interior of Doyle Russell's studio.

I thought the upright lamp was just a lamp, but now I see it has a floodlight clamped on it. Good eye t2! (& I didn't realize those were cameras on the table) duh

And is that a phonograph atop the bureau in the left corner? (were there portable record players back in 1946?)


I thought of that too Hoss, but for some reason I think there's a wall right there beyond the edge of the photo.(something about the shadows I guess)

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This just occurred to me.
Could this be where Elloitt Erwitt stayed while he was in Los Angeles?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/6uv62h.png




One more thing: Is this a portable record player atop the bureau in the left corner?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/2mJs87.jpg
detail

-I'm not even sure if portable record players existed back in 1946.

Yep that's a record player and I would surmise that 'portable' record players go back to the time of Thomas Edison when they were hand cranked.
People would take them on trips and to the beach.

tovangar2 May 13, 2017 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7803969)

This just occurred to me.
Could this be where Elloitt Erwitt stayed while he was in Los Angeles?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/6uv62h.png

One more thing: Is this a portable record player atop the bureau in the left corner?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/2mJs87.jpg
detail

-I'm not even sure if portable record players existed back in 1946.

I bet you're right that it's Erwitt's digs. That's what's so evocative about the photo for me, the intense focus on the bed, only nobody's in it. And the room is so simple (or intensely curated), even monk-like.

There were certainly portable phonographs in 1946. I took that piece of furniture it's on for a defunct or unused radio, not a bureau.



ETA, Erwitt was just 18 in 1946, living in Hollywood. He went to LACC. A short bio is here. IMDB page here

ethereal_reality May 13, 2017 1:26 AM

Thanks CityBoyDoug and tovangar2.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 7803977)
DELHI was the site of a sugar refinery- lasted until 1980
Special car was almost certainly a Railroad Bososters fan trip- can anyone read the dash sign?
PE delivered beets to the Delhi plant from the Talbert area- south and west across the Santa Ana RIver.
The bridge, and the road bridge washed out. As the beet Harvest was seasonal and usually not in the rainy season PE relaid tracks in the riverbed and pulled them up after the beet campaigh was over. This went on into the 20s but I have been unable to find anything about when they gave up
Thanks loads for sharing the pic
regards
Ed

Ed, I found your sugar factory on this highly detailed 1912 map.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/niVYEe.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d41ddce387.jpg

I see Acelga but Delhi is now 'New Delhi', and there's also a 'Delhi Road' stop.

La Bolsa and a 'Bolsa Gun Club' are further west. (they're near a second sugar plant...the Holly Sugar plant)


Here's Hoss's map again.
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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7803704)
Re: La Bolsa

I found Bolsa on this 1925 PE map, with Bolsa Chica on the coast.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LALaBolsa1.jpg
Detail of image from www.huffingtonpost.com

OK, once again I'm confused. Why is the La Bolsa location on Hoss' map about 30 miles east of the La Bolsa on the 1912 map?


update:
I just realized the 'La' is missing from 'Bolsa' on the Hoss map. This makes me think the B/W photograph I posted earlier today was taken
at the location on the 1912 map, right?


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/1iT1zl.jpg
detail



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