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https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5736/...7e8c8e42_b.jpg Cranes Galore in the Meadowlands by Corey Best, on Flickr |
I had to go to Lodi,NJ today for some site work, and I passed by the complex when I got off the Turnpike. Lots of cranes, and lots of construction going on. Big chunk of it is finishing up. Facade looks wicked, and they are working on the elements for the parking lots. Also, some interior work as there where trucks loading stuff in and it was somewhat exposed. Kinda surprised at the army of workers that they had. Really pushing for the 2017 opening.
For now, looks like a big part of the exterior is finished. Seems like its mostly interior work that will take most of the effort for 2016. |
Breaking News!
http://www.northjersey.com/news/busi...lers-1.1415006 "Ten more retailers were announced for American Dream Meadowlands on Monday by developer Triple Five, which has set fall 2017 as the opening for the shopping and entertainment complex. Familiar women's clothing retailers Victoria's Secret and Lulelemon are joined by venerable mall stores Banana Republic and The Gap; MAC cosmetics; and a Microsoft computer store. Also on the latest list are Aritzia, Uniqlo, Zara, and Pink." "The new signups follow last week's announcement of Hermes as well as news earlier this month that a Saks Fifth OFF Fifth outlet store as well as 100,000-square-foot anchor tenants Lord & Taylor and Saks Fifth Avenue. Ghermezian said the latter two stores would be the largest at the site." |
Any chance they can get IZOD reopened?
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I think what could really set this center off would be extending the HBLR the 3 miles to here. That would make access much easier to those without cars. The NJ Transit station is usually only open during Football games or special events right?
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I'm salivating at the prospect of yet another flop at Xanadu American Dream Mall. The concept of yet another mega mall just seems so 1990s. Personally, all this development in the Medowlands has led to an ecological disaster. It should not have been developed, but greed won out. Plus it's a headache to get to without a car.
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The region is big enough with 19 million CSA that they can afford another mall or two without issues. It will not fail. In fact, for such a big metropolis, there are rather few large and decent suburban malls compared to other parts of the world which have many more for a smaller population. jersey needs better shopping destinations.
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Aquarium, Legoland center are latest additions to American Dream project
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what are the new colors ??
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This POS is never going to open.
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Good. Let it die. That location is perfect for building a replacement for the Port Authority Bus Terminal, tied to Manhattan with an extension of the 7 train. All that parking space that's empty six days a week, and seven most of the year, would make a great park and ride. And, of course, when there are games (or other events) at Met Life, all that bus and subway service will make them very easy to get to.
I had looked at two locations. One is where the Secaucus Home Depot is now. The other was this. The presence of this mall would have greatly complicated that. If it goes away, the location is available. |
I can't believe that Triple Five is still able to get financing on any of their projects. If you look at their track record they have filed bankruptcy on many of the projects they started. It will inevitably fall into the hands of the state or another developer to finish the project and pay for its up keep. This is exactly how it went down in my hometown.
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what bankruptcy stuff are you talking about? |
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What color did they chose to paint the outside?
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I can't fathom who imagines the future of retail to still be these enormous hulks of enclosed shops and plazas. In the new era of Amazon hegemony, there's just no way this place will ever be profitable.
And besides, who wants to shop in the middle of an unpopulated marsh when so many other non-soggy shopping options are nearby? |
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Amazon is never going to stop higher end in-person retailing. In fact it's planning its own retail outlets, as are most e-commerce outlets. It's the crap malls, in overbuilt markets, that have suffered. But in the NYC area, which is generally underbuilt, with few suburban malls built over the last 30-40 years, malls just don't go out of business. Keep in mind, too, that most of the space at American Dream isn't going to traditional retail outlets, but to theaters, recreation, sports, hotels, theme parks and the like. Quote:
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Build the rail connection into the city (extending the city #7 line.) This could also be tied into the Secaucus junction NJ Transit station.
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As much as I'd like to see this thing die and be repurposed, if it completed, I don't see may shoppers slogging though chest deep swamp water to get to it.
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are they still building adding the new theme park thing?
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What an abomination. It looks like the product of a dystopian society.
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I hate this thing. How many public and private dollars have been spent on this thing. Throwing good money after bad. I hope the Meadowlands just sinks into the city. Only good thing to come from global warming.
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And the retail demand has been huge. They're lining up practically every luxury retailer in existence. They even got Saks to relocate from Mall at Short Hills, which is one of the most profitable luxury shopping centers on earth. On the other hand, yeah, why is a shopping/amusement/entertainment complex receiving public subsidies? The problem is that so many billions have been sunk into the complex, so it makes sense to finish. |
WNYC did a series on this project:
http://www.wnyc.org/story/mall-madness-part-one/ If you listen to it you realize it's even worse than you think. |
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How Not to Build a Supermall: $5 Billion, 5 Governors, 3 Developers, and 15 Years
Chris Christie once called American Dream “the ugliest damn building in New Jersey.” Will it ever open? https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...an-dream-mall/ Quote:
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And, in any case, the subsidies already occurred. The important thing now is to finally open the complex and get the economic boost. |
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Been to Jersey Gardens lately? How about Garden State Plaza? Mall at Short Hills? These places are crawling with foreign tourists, who come by bus, car service or Uber to nearby malls. They even go to Woodbury Common, which must be at least 40 miles from Manhattan. There are so many foreign tourists at Jersey Gardens, I don't think that mall would even exist without the Manhattan tourist market in proximity. It seems almost purposely designed to attract the Brazillian and British and Chinese shoppers. Granted, I don't exactly get it. Who wants to visit a foreign country and then waste time at a mall, just to save a few bucks? But, trust me, people do it. My wife does it, my in-laws do it. Quote:
It isn't competing with Hudson Yards, at all, which will attract Manhattanites and some higher end tourists. American Dream will be more for families with kids and the tour bus crowd. The Cheesecake Factory/Dave and Busters crowd isn't going to be attracted to the chef-driven restaurants and luxury boutiques at Hudson Yards. Here are some of the uses at American Dream: Indoor ice rink (NHL-sized). Nickelodeon Universe indoor theme park. DreamWorks-themed Water Park – A year-round indoor water park. Movie theater – 26 screen movie theater with outdoor lounge overlooking Manhattan. Concert hall – 2,400–3,000 seat performing arts and concert venue. Indoor ski slope. Miniature golf course Lucky Strike bowling alley. Legoland Discovery Center. Sea Life aquarium. Quote:
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Interesting - I haven't been a NJ resident for years and therefore haven't recently patronized any of the malls, so I'll take your word for it. I find it intriguing though that tourists would pay to commute in and out of Manhattan in order to shop at a suburban mall in NJ or LI or wherever.
I hadn't realized they plan on cramming all of those attractions under one roof. Do you know if the new concert hall will mean the demolition of the IZOD Center? |
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The developers haven't even had the bond offering yet, so it isn't clear why they would expect construction at this time.
And construction hasn't been stalled since December. It hasn't moved since summer, and was never expected to restart until after the bond offering (which can't even occur until there's a public vote on the offering). |
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the maps are new on wiki/google you can see those same cranes |
The bond offering was completed, and this project is now fully financed, BTW. 75% leased.
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A little off topic, Amazon is now worth close to $500 billion and internet sales continue to take a bigger bite at bricks and mortar stores. I wonder how the retailers at the WTC Hub are doing? The only one I see doing any real business is the Apple store. IF American Dream is built, how would this impact other area malls since forecasts are calling for at least 20 percent to be out of business within the next 5 years.
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The NY area is underretailed compared to the rest of the country and never had the massive explosion of suburban retail in the 80's and 90's. I'm sure places like Garden State Plaza and Mall at Short Hills will be fine. If they aren't fine, then that's OK too, that's capitalism. |
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anybody know how to post wiki map screen shots? |
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