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OldLA.....your nasty word soup quote above [even in supposed jest] gives all of us a clue as to where you're coming from. You don't really address what I'm talking about, so you attack me personally. I've been attacked on this thread for many years....I'm used to it. You've only made 6 posts, so we're hoping for more. Good luck and I don't need any help, thank you sir....I'm quite happy. " 3....apartments where I used to live in Hollywood are now closed off with tall iron fences and locked gate entries. It wasn't that way when I lived there in the 1970s" |
I didnt know you had to make alot of posts to be part of the NoirishLa. I don't know how to put pictures on, tried it once but it didn't work, just thought I would try to stick up for my city which you attack and say is a jungle. Maybe I get where YOU are coming from. Anyway, sorry to intrude on the noirish site.
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My memories include dropping off newspapers at the front desk of many of the old apartment buildings that now are closed to the public with security doors. I delivered to the Lido, the Mayfair, the Green Apartments, the McElroy, and many more, some razed, some still standing. I went up and down more of those ancient caged elevators than I can remember. Even as a boy, I took it all in. The difference today is that all those apartments and hotels are closed off to the public. Same with smaller buildings. Security gates, block walls, fences. There were more bungalows back then and more cottages and courts. Yes, I miss those days, but change is inevitable. Tempus fugit! |
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There's a difference in 2018 for a reason. Most people don't want to talk about it in realistic terms.. All of those costly ''security measures" are in place because LA has been flooded with a different type of newcomer than has lived in LA in previous times. Remember that LA is a ''sanctuary city''. You know what that really means? :sly: |
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KNOCK IT OFF CBD.
Looking4OldLA's post was NOT "nasty word soup" aimed personally at you. He was defending the city he loves. ___ If you have a problem send me a personal message. |
Scott Charles, thanks for adding Poundcake Hill and Normal Hill to your very informative map.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/L1DI9U.jpg Scott Charles Here's an amazing photograph that I don't recall seeing. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/kFHTrV.jpg i.pin.mg.com "Hanging by vigilantes on Poundcake Hill, Los Angeles" (Correction: the actual hanging is taking place at the bottom of the hill. The spectators are on the hill) It appears the body has already been cut down. This next photograph I remember seeing. No doubt because you can still see Lacherais' body hanging. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/sfHjuw.jpg USC "Photograph of a crowd at the lynching of Miguel Lashenais (sp?) on the corner of Temple Street and New High (Justica) Street, Los Angeles, 1870. A crowd gathers around the gate to the lumber yard. Lashenais, who was lynched for killing Jacob Bell, hangs from the archway. Many people towards the outside of the crowd simply sit, watching. Tents and other spectators can be seen on the Poundcake Hill in the background. The hill would later become the site of the Court House and then the Criminal Courts Building." USC ok...I'm confused. I thought Poundcake Hill became the site of the High School. (I'm going to be embarrassed if I'm wrong) The walking tour site of KEN GONZALES-DAY has a altogether different location for the Lacherais hanging. [see below] "Near the corner North Broadway and Temple was the original location of the Tomlinson & Griffith Corral. The high beam of its gate, and an angry mob, claimed the life of "Michael Lachenais" in 1870. Historian Harris Newmark and others have argued that as many as a dozen men dies at this site." A dozen men!? Could the top photograph be of a different hanging at the same location? Hence it's vague description. :shrug: And I should add: Another site has the Lecherais lynching taking place at Phinias Banning's Corral. [not the Tomlinson & Griffith Corral] Added note: Lacherais is sometimes spelled Lecherais.... USC spelled it 'Lashenais' I used Jacob Bell (the name of the well known victim) to find most of this information. |
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The first High School was moved from Poundcake Hill to Fort Moore Hill(though IIRC, it spent some time in the middle of Temple Street) to make way for the new courthouse. I think the photos are looking south(which would be down Broadway), maybe photographed from near where the Hall of Justice is now. |
Thanks for clearing that up for me BillinGlendaleCA. I appreciate the directions as well :)
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:previous: Yes, I see that now. I went back and reread your post after Bill informed me.
To be honest, I've been thrown for a loop with my electricity sporadically going off and on and the recent arguments on the thread. :( One reason the thread has been going strong for nearly a decade is because we avoid extreme rhetoric and hot button topics [like politics] I think this is a wonderful photograph. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/6OIbKz.jpg EBAY "1940 African American Asian Lady Nadine Los Angeles photo booth" "Nadine, an African American woman is in the booth. She wears a beautiful fur trim coat and head wrap and a festive pine cone and fake fruit pin. Her name and address is on back in pencil." but the seller didn't include the address (or the lady's last name) -it might have just said 'Nadine' |
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ER, as to the location of Tomlinson's Corral - I was reading up quite a bit a few weeks back about the Chinese Massacre of 1871, which occurred in/around "Negro Alley" - the articles mention that several Chinese were hanged from the Tomlinson's Corral, so I just assumed the corral was somewhere in the region of Negro Alley. Here are the two proposed locations for the corral, and how far away they were from Negro Alley: https://i.imgur.com/fha1zR7.jpg Either location seems like an awful long distance to drag someone before hanging them, but I'm certainly no expert on mob mentality. Also, see this link: https://i.imgur.com/sUmN1pI.jpg |
You da man Scott Charles! The two 'sites' you picked are good possibilities. A plat book would help as well
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& of course the high gate at the corral that was perfect for a hanging. I also came across the Chinese Massacre while looking for information on the Lacherais lynching. (which happened a year before the massacre) I don't remember if anyone has posted an in-depth look at the massacre. __ |
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Thanks for posting both of those Lachenais lynching photos together, e_r. Usually I only see one or the other. In the top photo, from right to left there is the gate with the noose, then another gate, then the corner of the wall, which looks like an adobe wall with a wooden roof. This portion of the 1869 Rendall/Godfrey panorama looks in almost the opposite direction as the lynching photos. I've drawn a line showing where I think the lynching photos were taken from. We see the two gates and the corner of the adobe wall with the wooden roof (#66 near the lower right corner of the photo is "adobe wall with wooden roof"). Above the lower right corner (to the right of #10) is a tiny bit of the rear of St. Athanasius Church on the SW corner of Temple and New High Streets; the church would have been just out of view to the left in the first lynching photo: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...2.jpg~original CHS-7179 @ USCDL |
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I really want to thank you for your maps as well. I'm a map geek(as a kid in the 60's I wondered why the Hall of Records was at a weird angle) and they really help clarify the evolution of the city from one point in time to another. The one quibble I have is that I think Poundcake Hill didn't extend all the way to 1st Street, the southern portion of the slope ending in the middle of Grand Park where the Old Hall of Records Building was. I could, of course, be wrong. On a general note to everyone: I took madame and the kid for a walking tour of Downtown(the Bradbury building, Angels Flight, and down Grand Park to City Hall and then over to the Plaza) and I narrated much our walk with things I've learned here. Thanks to all. |
This is all too exciting!
But it's 2:35 A.M. here. I have to hit the hay. https://imageshack.com/a/img924/2980/sAYMPK.gif |
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The more I look at old photos of Poundcake Hill, the more I agree with you. And of course, an actual poundcake is circular, not rectangular. Do you think that this is more accurate, Bill? https://i.imgur.com/TpzcE6S.jpg |
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