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Martin Pal Dec 15, 2013 6:26 PM

HossC -- thank you for introducing me to "Miss Peggy Pender" and Godzilla for your post I had missed. Wondering how my search skills failed finding that or the LAPL photos. Nevertheless, Poinsettias are a whole different breed of plant in black and white, I must say! Loved all those pics guys!

Martin Turnbull, thanks for pointing out the Pinney house used in the Mad Men episode. I never connected it!

ProphetM Dec 15, 2013 7:14 PM

In addition to Gaylord Wilshire's helpful link, you can back up Google Maps in Android as well. The new one lost so much that I needed that I simply couldn't keep it.

The major drawback to this is that you must turn off automatic updates of your apps in order to keep the old Google Maps. Best to do this first, before you reinstall the old version. That means you must individually confirm updates for all of your apps whenever they notify you of newer versions.

After that:
You will need to go to Androiddrawer.com where they have old versions of free Android programs. the last old Google Maps is 6.14.4:

http://www.androiddrawer.com/13039/d...-14-4-app-apk/

Download the old one to your computer and copy to your Android phone, or download it directly with the phone. Then you need to go to your phone settings and turn off the security restriction that prevents installation of programs from places other than the Google Play store. Then you'll be able to install the older .apk file from your phone's downloads folder. Remember to turn the restriction back on when you're done!

The biggest thing lost in the newer Android app was the My Maps feature, which I use extensively and became completely inaccessible with the new app.

HossC Dec 15, 2013 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6375049)
HossC -- thank you for introducing me to "Miss Peggy Pender" and Godzilla for your post I had missed. Wondering how my search skills failed finding that or the LAPL photos. Nevertheless, Poinsettias are a whole different breed of plant in black and white, I must say! Loved all those pics guys!

OK, here's a poinsettia picture with some color!:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...oinsettia4.jpg
Ebay

This photo is captioned "The global career of the poinsettia or Christmas star began in Hollywood. At the beginning of the 20th century, the Mexican wild plant was first grown on the large fields of California. The red winter bloomer was offered for sale as a cut flower on Hollywood and Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles – and was very popular."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
www.stars-for-europe.com

It's a shame that this picture isn't bigger. It shows artist Andreas Roth painting a poinsettia field in Hollywood. There's no date, but he arrived in the US in 1932 and died in 1949.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...oinsettia7.jpg
bbhgallery.com

I know this location is down the coast a bit from Los Angeles, but I thought I'd include it anyway. The caption says "Laborers work on poinsettias at the Ecke Ranch in Encinitas in 1939."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...oinsettia6.jpg
Courtesy Of The Ecke Ranch

It was part of the following article:

Ecke family made poinsettias a holiday tradition

Godzilla Dec 15, 2013 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6375091)
OK, here's a poinsettia picture with some color!:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...oinsettia4.jpg
Ebay

This photo is captioned "The global career of the poinsettia or Christmas star began in Hollywood. At the beginning of the 20th century, the Mexican wild plant was first grown on the large fields of California. The red winter bloomer was offered for sale as a cut flower on Hollywood and Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles – and was very popular."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
www.stars-for-europe.com





1909
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Postcard-1909...sE!~~60_57.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Postcard-1909...sE!~~60_57.JPG


Prettier version of above. No longer mentions Hollywood Hotel.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/CA-Los-Angele...!dg~~60_57.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/CA-Los-Angele...!dg~~60_57.JPG


http://russelrayphotos.files.wordpre...1985.jpg?w=604http://russelrayphotos.files.wordpre...1985.jpg?w=604




http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-0do2eg9z0g2dbq.jpghttp://file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-0do2eg9z0g2dbq.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2510/...e573e123d2.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2510/...e573e123d2.jpg


http://www.laparks.org/images/facili...insettiaRC.jpghttp://www.laparks.org/images/facili...insettiaRC.jpg

corriganville Dec 15, 2013 9:22 PM

Paducah Street and Effie Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6374859)
Question for those of you with old maps of LA: What do you guys know about Paducah Street in the Elysian Park/Chavez Ravine area? Was browsing LAPL and found some pictures of the Sisters Of The Society Of Mary Convent, an intriguing Victorian building that probably started its existence as a single family house, if I had to guess:

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psa16e7741.jpgLAPL

Effie Street still exists, running through Elysian Park and Echo Park, terminating and continuing at various points throughout, but Paducah Street seems to have vanished completely, along with this building, I'm pretty sure. Can anybody point out its former location on an older map of LA?

One more view of the rear of the building:

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psa3c63dd3.jpgLAPL

Pictures are dated 1951.

Located on the northeast corner of Effie Street and Paducah Street was the Palo Verde Elementary School. In the late 1950's, the roof was removed from the school and the interior was filled with dirt. The entire valley floor along Effie Street and cross streets were land filled. This area is now beneath a parking lot of Dodger Stadium. By the time the "Highway Patrol" program (ZIV) filmed there, most of the housing had already been removed because of a 1949 U.S. law which allowed communities to be rezoned and affordable housing erected. The area was condemned and housing removed as people sold, moved, or were evicted. A few years later, a new mayor of L.A. decided not to go forward with the redevelopment of the area. Then the Dodgers baseball team came and the city gave/sold them the area that was already condemned. The final buildings were removed, except for the school, and the area filled with dirt.

CityBoyDoug Dec 15, 2013 9:48 PM

High walls please....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by corriganville (Post 6375154)
Located on the northeast corner of Effie Street and Paducah Street was the Palo Verde Elementary School. In the late 1950's, the roof was removed from the school and the interior was filled with dirt. The entire valley floor along Effie Street and cross streets were land filled. This area is now beneath a parking lot of Dodger Stadium. By the time the "Highway Patrol" program (ZIV) filmed there, most of the housing had already been removed because of a 1949 U.S. law which allowed communities to be rezoned and affordable housing erected. The area was condemned and housing removed as people sold, moved, or were evicted. A few years later, a new mayor of L.A. decided not to go forward with the redevelopment of the area. Then the Dodgers baseball team came and the city gave/sold them the area that was already condemned. The final buildings were removed, except for the school, and the area filled with dirt.

We see the nun's laundry hanging by the second floor door. Scandal!:D:rolleyes::yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psc6b9933e.jpg

Martin Pal Dec 15, 2013 10:28 PM

I guess even poinsettias can point to a little noirish side:

After Crime Concerns, Poinsettia Park Getting Upgrade
Story HERE.

Martin Pal Dec 15, 2013 10:30 PM

Forgot to say "thanks" for those poinsettia posts HossC and Godzilla!

Tetsu Dec 16, 2013 2:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6374919)
This aerial dates from 2004, and I'm finding it hard to see many features that survive. The red lines mark where Paducah Street once stood.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPaducah5.jpg
Historic Aerials

Thanks for the info, HossC! Probably should have guessed that the reason Paducah no longer shows up on the map is because it's now the Dodger Stadium parking lot. Ah well...

Quote:

Originally Posted by corriganville (Post 6375154)
Located on the northeast corner of Effie Street and Paducah Street was the Palo Verde Elementary School. In the late 1950's, the roof was removed from the school and the interior was filled with dirt. The entire valley floor along Effie Street and cross streets were land filled. This area is now beneath a parking lot of Dodger Stadium. By the time the "Highway Patrol" program (ZIV) filmed there, most of the housing had already been removed because of a 1949 U.S. law which allowed communities to be rezoned and affordable housing erected. The area was condemned and housing removed as people sold, moved, or were evicted. A few years later, a new mayor of L.A. decided not to go forward with the redevelopment of the area. Then the Dodgers baseball team came and the city gave/sold them the area that was already condemned. The final buildings were removed, except for the school, and the area filled with dirt.

I found a little info on Palo Verde Elementary while searching for more info on the convent building. If the school was on the northeast corner, I guess it's pretty safe to assume that the convent was on the northwest corner? Since nothing south of Effie Street had been developed on the 1921 map posted by HossC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6375185)
We see the nun's laundry hanging by the second floor door. Scandal!:D:rolleyes::yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psc6b9933e.jpg

I thought the same thing. Lol!!!

Wig-Wag Dec 16, 2013 4:07 AM

Improvements!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6374919)
I wish these sites would take notice of the number of users who continue to revert to the old layout during these "updates". Photobucket needlessly ruined their interface a while back, and although they've put a few features back, it's still not as good as it used to be. I've also had to put up with pointless "improvements" to Hotmail and GMail in the last year.

In hotrod parlance this was known as "hopping it right down!"

corriganville Dec 16, 2013 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6375375)
Thanks for the info, HossC! Probably should have guessed that the reason Paducah no longer shows up on the map is because it's now the Dodger Stadium parking lot. Ah well...



I found a little info on Palo Verde Elementary while searching for more info on the convent building. If the school was on the northeast corner, I guess it's pretty safe to assume that the convent was on the northwest corner? Since nothing south of Effie Street had been developed on the 1921 map posted by HossC.



I thought the same thing. Lol!!!

Using Historical Aerials, the 1952 map shows no building on the northwest corner. However, on the south side of Effie where Paducah connects with it, there is a large building which could be it.

GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2013 4:26 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...ertimes631.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e...2520AM.bmp.jpgDaily Mail

Peter O'Toole, Joan Fontaine, Tom Laughlin...and Audrey Totter... dead.


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1966

GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2013 6:10 PM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520PM.bmp.jpgVintage Automobile Dealerships and Automobilia

Earl Boebert Dec 16, 2013 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 6375451)
In hotrod parlance this was known as "hopping it right down!"

I was thinking more of our old hotrodding phrase "If it don't go, chrome it."

Cheers,

Earl

HossC Dec 16, 2013 11:51 PM

I came across this hospital picture last week when we were looking at osteopathic hospitals and sanitaria, but I've only just got around to locating it. USC date the picture as 1939, but the title only says "Hospital". A quick Google, and I found it was St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...StJohnsSM1.jpg
USC Digital Library

This 1952 aerial shows the original driveway stil intact and the addition of an extra wing to the north.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...StJohnsSM2.jpg
Historic Aerials

Later additions are shown in this undated postcard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...StJohnsSM3.jpg
www.cardcow.com

The hospital was damaged in the 1994 Northridge earthquake. Picture and text from www.ngdc.noaa.gov:

"Damage to St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. Note X- shaped cracks, particularly in second floor walls between windows. Shear failure occurred in the second story piers and walls. This damage significantly weakened the structure and forced the evacuation of the hospital."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...StJohnsSM4.jpg
NOAA/NGDC, J. Dewey, U.S. Geological Survey.

One wing had to be demolished after the earthquake, but the original building seems to have survived until around 2004 (this aerial is from 2003).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...StJohnsSM5.jpg
Google Earth

All traces of the original hospital are now gone :(.

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2013 11:58 PM

:previous: Good find Hossc! What an interesting design for a hospital (I'm referring to the 1939 photo).

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2013 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 6372661)

I pretty much assumed the building that housed the old Porter Sanitarium was long gone. Kudos to you for locating it TWS!
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http://imageshack.us/a/img191/4194/w1c0.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2013 1:02 AM

While 'touring' in the google-mobile I came across a couple charming buildings in the Glendale area.


600 South Central Avenue, Glendale
http://imageshack.us/a/img401/7835/prmr.jpg
GSV


There's a sexy little cartouche above the arched entrance.
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/4848/u2pq.jpg
detail


Side-view from Chestnut Street
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/7744/dcb5.jpg
GSV



The other charming building is next door, Metzler's Violin Shop.
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/6294/e909.jpg
GSV



street scene
http://imageshack.us/a/img20/2791/hmbm.jpg
GSV



aerial showing the pair of buildings
http://imageshack.us/a/img59/1325/ebqb.jpg
google-earth
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I was only able to dig up this information.
http://imageshack.us/a/img36/9148/ot8a.jpg
old file/can't remember the source

I don't know what it was originally...a post office perhaps?
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Krell58 Dec 17, 2013 1:35 AM

I got a DVD of the movie Wonderland, about the Wonderland murders, starring Val Kilmer.
The special features include the LAPD crime scene video, dead bodies and all.
What a rampage.

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2013 1:38 AM

:previous: Sounds noirishly ghoulish Krell58.
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I found this intriguing 1930 advertisement (with chopsticks) on ebay.

The place looks cavernous!
http://imageshack.us/a/img7/7590/msra.jpg

reverse/-the other addresses are obscured. :(
http://imageshack.us/a/img706/10/l1zj.jpg
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Luckily, the advertisement from ebay led me to this article from Modern Mechanix.
http://imageshack.us/a/img856/4327/v3s0.jpg
http://modernmechanix.com/

I can't help but picture Lucy and Ethel in the kitchen.

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