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Flyingwedge Dec 9, 2013 1:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6365183)
'Froebelian Garden'

I am hoping someone can help me identify the location of this photograph.

The tower in the distance might be the old Los Angeles Times Building.
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/9535/sb5g.jpg
unidentified Los Angeles 1900/ocdom
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I think the tower in the distance is that of the Simpson Methodist Episcopal Church (aka Third Church of Christ, Scientist) @ 734 S. Hope Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pse78eea93.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075526.jpg

Which puts the site of the photograph at the State Normal School, shown here in c. 1905 (south and east sides):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9f829dae.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/4958/rec/2

Here's a closeup of a portion of the above photo. Obviously the trees are different from er's photo, but there's a pathway in the foreground, and the ground slopes away from the left corner of the building -- just like in er's photo, but looking the other way. The ground-floor windows above the sloping ground at the corner match in both photos, as does the brickwork on the corner by the arched windows:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psc93d55b4.jpg

Tourmaline Dec 9, 2013 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6175204)
Lilac scented talc?


Time to make momma proud and beautify America!

1959 - The Owl Barbershop - 117 E. 6th Street (Space currently occupied by "Salon Pure")

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CD74JSF6E6.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CD74JSF6E6.jpg

But could it ever replace LA Imperial? "They do good work!"
(MercedES Theater - Look closely - and Pico House)

1950
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8IFQFNMBCU.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8IFQFNMBCU.jpg

1945
http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015406.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015406.jpg http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015406.jpg


Sources claim the "Merced" or "Mercedes" is LA's oldest surviving theater. From 1871. Another source claims it is the first theater, without explaining what "first" means.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...XY6VE5RIMB.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...XY6VE5RIMB.jpg

1871
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YAH7K19S6I.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YAH7K19S6I.jpg

1877
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...B1SGXI1EFC.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...B1SGXI1EFC.jpg

Tourmaline Dec 9, 2013 1:37 AM

Central Park becomes Pershing Square, presumably post 1919.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...17I1SHPDR9.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...17I1SHPDR9.jpg


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Central-Park-...5Ig~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Central-Park-...5Ig~~60_12.JPG


1000 Wonders
http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/k0277.jpghttp://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/k0277.jpg

http://img0.etsystatic.com/007/1/725...05288_hl1t.jpghttp://img0.etsystatic.com/007/1/725...05288_hl1t.jpg



If the park was renamed post '19, this image looks like it was taken before that year. Wonder if publisher used earlier photo with updated printing?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0p01QGrZm3...pc+c+1920s.JPGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0p01QGrZm3...pc+c+1920s.JPG


Mystery tropical garden?

http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/g5267.jpghttp://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/g5267.jpg

and

http://akbild.de/AK-Bilder//204.285.jpghttp://akbild.de/AK-Bilder//204.285.jpg

GaylordWilshire Dec 9, 2013 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6367884)
Which puts the site of the photograph at the State Normal School, shown here in c. 1905 (south and east sides):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5.../TRIPTYCH2.jpgfrom recent posts


Great sleuthing, FW.


A few priors on the church...


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2882

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2883

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13874

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 2:21 AM

:previous: Wow! Great job Flyingwedge in locating the Froebel Kindergarten. (the windows of the State Normal School match up perfectly)
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Those Who Squirm! Dec 9, 2013 6:18 AM

I think by now it should be clear to all of us how difficult it can be to research the history of your neighborhood when that neighborhood is called Palms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6367799)
A subject hardly ever mentioned, visiting the palms. ;)


Address and dates unknown
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7VGGBIG1DJ.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7VGGBIG1DJ.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JUA6BXQTEH.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JUA6BXQTEH.jpg


Address and date unknown.
Mission San Fernando. Date 1880s (?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JP6LK6MNS8.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JP6LK6MNS8.jpg

Palm Parade. 1890
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S9DKYFKCH4.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S9DKYFKCH4.jpg


Parade Rest 1890 unknown address
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...E29J5R6K2J.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...E29J5R6K2J.jpg


Palm Tree on Date Street (Near Terminal Annex location)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JSMCGAGR2H.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JSMCGAGR2H.jpg

Lyon Street Palm
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...H8F7ED6EFV.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...H8F7ED6EFV.jpg


Arcade Depot, circa 1905 (Do those red dots need water?) ;)



http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/cd...chgface/id/721

http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0


Those Who Squirm! Dec 9, 2013 6:34 AM

I thought for sure this must be somewhere in Palms, but as you might expect I turned up nothing in the 1938 telephone directory. Still, from the visible rise in terrain it looks as if it could be somewhere along Exposition Boulevard where the PE line ran and the Expo ROW and the 10 freeway run today.

You wouldn't think this sort of thing would be so hard to nail down, since there ought to be print ads and other ephemera that somebody has put online by now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6367793)
1932 - The Palms Auto Tourist Camp - Los Angeles

Location unk. (Good place to go if you suffer from "noise nerves"?)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EXXJ38P6PR.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EXXJ38P6PR.jpg


Those Who Squirm! Dec 9, 2013 6:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6175204)
Lilac scented talc?

I'd say that car parked in front is a good start; it's got great lines. I've always admired the sedans and coupes from the Fifties that did away with the usual ugly post between the front and back seating areas to have a clean open look. Certain Chevy Bel-Airs were famous for this, but I don't think this car is a Chevy.

Quote:

Time to make momma proud and beautify America!

1959 - The Owl Barbershop - 117 E. 6th Street (Space currently occupied by "Salon Pure")

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CD74JSF6E6.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CD74JSF6E6.jpg

Regarding the Merced, I've seen pictures before when it contained the Tom Hotel. It's not a terribly encouraging name for a hostelry, and from what I know of the sad conditions in the area at the time, I think that Joe Friday and Ben Romero could be in that hotel now, coming across a dismembered corpse in one of the rooms.

Actually, there weren't even rooms according to an article I read many years ago, but rather mere partitions of the large second-story space into sleeping areas--it was really more of a flophouse. The author, who had been allowed inside just before the place was padlocked in 1953, said all traces of the original stage and auditorium were gone by the time he saw the place.

As for the Pico House, I never knew it had an entrance under this arch.


GaylordWilshire Dec 9, 2013 1:18 PM

:previous:


It's definitely a Chevrolet, a '58 top-of-the-line Impala, first year for that model.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2088/3w30.jpgA Drifting Cowboy

Rogers with his new Impala at the Double R Bar in Chatsworth...



http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3762/q5k8.jpgPolice Magazine

A fleet of '58 low-line Delray LAPD cruisers outside Parker Center, 1958.

oldstuff Dec 9, 2013 4:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6364998)
-another Los Angeles barber shop scene. -be sure to pan right to see all the reflections -->
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/6408/ftyo.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/996/9ey6.jpgebay

When I was a little boy my barber's name was Snuffy Bart. He was like 4 feet tall and had to stand on a box.
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It is hard to tell the date of the picture of the Barber Shop since they tend to look alike through many years. Here is some "people" info: Ernest O. Christie was born in Washington State in 1876. His wife's name was Margaret. He is in Los Angeles in 1907 and the Barber Shop address was 503 1/2 E. Third. He again appears in a directory in 1909 and was working in a barber shop at 116 W. 5th and again in 1911 and 1912 in a shop at 509 W. 7th. Mr Christie appears again in the 1915 and 1918 directories at the same address for the shop. In 1915 he was living at 934 Corydon Drive.

He is in the 1920 Census as a barber in Los Angeles and was living with his wife in 1920 at 1006 W. 8th, LA. The 1939 directory shows his shop at 5510 Santa Monica Blvd. The 1940 Census has their residence at 247 S. Alameda. He certainly moved around a lot.

Tourmaline Dec 9, 2013 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 6368097)
I thought for sure this must be somewhere in Palms, but as you might expect I turned up nothing in the 1938 telephone directory. Still, from the visible rise in terrain it looks as if it could be somewhere along Exposition Boulevard where the PE line ran and the Expo ROW and the 10 freeway run today.

You wouldn't think this sort of thing would be so hard to nail down, since there ought to be print ads and other ephemera that somebody has put online by now.


Agree with you, because this looks like a trade advertisement for insulation, or the insulation co. underwrote the advertisement. Don't think the Co. would have spent $20 for a business that no one could find - to check out the promoted acoustical benefits.

Had it been a direct ad for the camp, you would think an address other than Los Angeles, might have been added. But, there are plenty of cards without specific addresses. The card depicts the shadow of a utility pole, but does not establish what we all take for granted, plumbing, electric and telephone service.

Documentation for the Palms Tourist Camp, owned by Frank Williams, and a business called The Palms Realty Company ought to be available through usual sources, i.e., CD and newspapers. But given the year provided by the source, "1932", anything was possible. The business could have been short lived and never made it into the CD, or there was a name change or a name misprint. It's also possible that the business was somewhere in LA County, but far outside the city. Hear tell there were palm trees and tourists in the surrounding communities too, including someplace called Palm Springs.





If I were to buy real estate, I'd look for a tall pointy roofline! (But without a single palm in the photo, I'm suspicious!)

CC Albright & Co. 1922 (Uncertain address. 252 N. Western Ave SE corner of Beverly and Western see below or 5910 Hollywood Blvd or even an office on Spring Street)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...HG5XS5B9N7.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...HG5XS5B9N7.jpg



[http://d2uaszwku8m8xd.cloudfront.net...ight-Lots.jpeghttp://d2uaszwku8m8xd.cloudfront.net...ight-Lots.jpeg


The lack of a specific address for a realty business is understandable in this instance. ;) But where are the palms?

Circa 1890 (Plenty of room for an auto camp as soon as someone invents the car, fuel and mechanics to fix them! Enough business to support two shooting ranges? ;p)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...IIQBBIQUNN.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...IIQBBIQUNN.jpg

Those Who Squirm! Dec 9, 2013 9:56 PM

Ah, well, I'm actually not what you'd call a solid car guy. You'll probably laugh, but I thought the car in front of the Merced might be a Plymouth Valiant. Although you can't see the taillights, the styling of the rear fender looked as if it could have had that style of taillight in back of it.

As for this one, I generally do prefer convertibles, but there's no denying that some of that era's hardtops had beautiful lines.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6368197)
:previous:


It's definitely a Chevrolet, a '58 top-of-the-line Impala, first year for that model.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2088/3w30.jpgA Drifting Cowboy

Rogers with his new Impala at the Double R Bar in Chatsworth...



http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3762/q5k8.jpgPolice Magazine

A fleet of '58 low-line Delray LAPD cruisers outside Parker Center, 1958.


Those Who Squirm! Dec 9, 2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6368374)
Agree with you, because this looks like a trade advertisement for insulation, or the insulation co. underwrote the advertisement. Don't think the Co. would have spent $20 for a business that no one could find - to check out the promoted acoustical benefits.

Had it been a direct ad for the camp, you would think an address other than Los Angeles, might have been added. But, there are plenty of cards without specific addresses.

I'm sure I've cited a 1904 guidebook previously, and this is similar when it comes to the tiny suburbs and dependent farm towns of the day. This book mentions a Palms Villa Hotel, which had room for only about 15 or 20 guests, but of course gives no address. Presumably when you arrived it was near the old railroad station, which itself stood about 100 yards west of where the new station is being built. So that means it was probably somewhere around Motor and National.

As for the sources, I'm wondering how much longer we'll have some of them without subscribing to Ancestry.com. I found a great website, Don's List, which has a few selected years of historic city directories. It's a free resource, too. But Ancestry.com, which has been acquiring a great many online archives and ephemera, has many more, and you have to subscribe to their very expensive service to see them They've just acquired Find-A-Grave, too. The real aggravation is that some of the stuff they charge an arm and a leg for today you used to be able to find free of charge. It wasn't always easy, and the websites weren't the fastest ones around, but you could get what you wanted if you were patient.

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 10:24 PM

Labor Temple?

Los Angeles Herald Oct. 1907
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/3153/8eg1.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=3

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/3125/nvui.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/7691/f2uk.jpg
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ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 10:27 PM

I recently found this on ebay.

1932
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/4804/3i9j.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7990/hojd.jpgebay



in better times.
http://imageshack.us/a/img202/1876/lqjz.jpg
old file of mine

-more on the auction here, with a list of the items for sale.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11064

Jack Dempsey in Laughlin Park
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11063

-more Jack
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11062

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 10:49 PM

1906
http://imageshack.us/a/img59/53/jwgw.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
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ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 11:34 PM

Has anyone heard of Pierpoint Landing?

Long Beach
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/6325/9fv8.jpgebay


http://imageshack.us/a/img841/851/b4we.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edge_an...ar/8155464771/



aerial/1964
http://imageshack.us/a/img12/8328/6b1r.jpg
http://portoflongbeach.blogspot.com/...ttraction.html

During our family vacation in the 1970s we visited a place in Long Beach called Ports O' Call Village. Could this be it's predecessor?

Tourmaline Dec 9, 2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6368753)


Better days?

Considering JD left one wife for someone else, the auction probably occurred with JD's blessing. Doubt he parted with any championship belts or trophys and, with diminished '32 property values, he probably came out ahead on any settlement with the ex. After all, as mentioned in your links, either he owned other separate property or, he soon embarked on a real estate buying spree. One of the pictures of him at the Barbara Hotel is apparently dated May 12, 1932 - which would have been a few days before the auction.



JD probably had a very persuasive personality and left hook. Every body loved his cooking, no matter how bad it was. Fortunately, it was never bad! :no: Ask anyone except for maybe one of JD's ring opponents, like Jess Willard.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics39/00054239.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics39/00054239.jpg


Jess Willard's LA connection probably bears repeating. He lived in Glendale (1616 Webasso Way) and owned a market at 1334 Vine Street. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3490

1931 - Jess' market
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...lards_1931.jpghttp://waterandpower.org/Historical_...lards_1931.jpg


1927 - Jess (with four smaller gents) grabs a cab ride at the Ambassador Hotel.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../32017/rec/180

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ard&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ard&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ard&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ard&DMROTATE=0

Jess at 85yo in 1966 with unidentified ring girl.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics36/00052880.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics36/00052880.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2013 11:51 PM

-before and after.

Art Deco building at Shatto Place & 6th Street, circa 1978
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1548/45bp.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=4967206

today
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9688/3ymv.jpg
GSV


oldstuff, thanks for digging up the information on Los Angeles barber Ernest O. Christie. -much appreciated.
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CityBoyDoug Dec 10, 2013 1:07 AM

Piers come and go....
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6368839)
Has anyone heard of Pierpoint Landing?

Long Beach
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/6325/9fv8.jpgebay


http://imageshack.us/a/img841/851/b4we.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edge_an...ar/8155464771/



aerial/1964
http://imageshack.us/a/img12/8328/6b1r.jpg
http://portoflongbeach.blogspot.com/...ttraction.html

During our family vacation in the 1970s we visited a place in Long Beach called Ports O' Call Village. Could this be it's predecessor?

I first visited Pierpoint when I was in Grade School...we took a boat trip around the harbor.

Pierpoint Landing was located on the western edge of what is now Pier F at the Port of Long Beach. It is indeed west of the 710 Freeway, but east of where the Pontoon Bridge was (the Pontoon was where the Gerald Desmond is now). If you look up Pier F Ave., Long Beach, on a map program, you'll see where it was. The land is now occupied partially by Jacobsen Pilot Services and the Port's security control center, and partially by a container terminal.


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