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KevinFromTexas Feb 4, 2013 6:40 AM

Your city's daily rail ridership?
 
I was reading this article on Austin's commuter rail service which is averaging between 2,000 and 3,000 daily riders with higher numbers of 5,000 to 9,400 during festivals.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/l...hen-hit/nWFB8/
Quote:

Posted: 4:33 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 3, 2013
Weekend MetroRail a now-and-then hit

By Ben Wear
American-Statesman Staff

MetroRail ridership has tripled since its early months in 2010, when it ran only during morning and evening commute periods and the service was seeing just 800 to 900 boardings a day. In January 2011, Capital Metro cut its base train fare for shorter trips, from $2 to $1, and added hourly train runs in each direction during the midday. Those moves doubled ridership.

Then, in late March last year, with the city’s financial backing, Capital Metro added a dozen Friday night runs (running hourly in each direction, with the last train leaving downtown at 12:30 a.m.) and 28 Saturday runs, from 4 p.m. to after midnight. Average daily ridership in October and November, including the weaker weekend performance, was about 2,500 boardings, and Capital Metro officials say that on weekdays the trains now have about 2,700 boardings each day.

In the year since, special events have continued to cause rail usage to spike, with about 9,400 boardings during the peak weekend of South by Southwest, about 5,500 in early May for the Pecan Street Festival and more than 7,500 on the Formula One weekend in November. But ridership has been much lower for all the other weekends, generally about 2,000 boardings combined for the Friday evening and Saturday service.

Centropolis Feb 4, 2013 6:50 PM

54,000/ day last August, couldnt find anything newer.

http://cmt-stl.org/metro-ridership-in-august/

fflint Feb 4, 2013 9:22 PM

According to APTA's Q3 report, people make 706,700 trips on Bay Area railroads on an average weekday.

Steely Dan Feb 4, 2013 10:15 PM

According to APTA's Q3 report, people make 1,357,800 trips on Chicagoland railroads on an average weekday.

J. Will Feb 4, 2013 10:18 PM

Toronto (from Q3 2012 APTA report):

subway: 946,600
streetcar/light rail: 289,600
commuter rail: 174,300

total: 1,410,500

J. Will Feb 4, 2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 6000812)
According to APTA's Q3 report, people make 1,357,800 trips on Chicagoland railroads on an average weekday.

I get 1,286,300. Is there something besides the El and the CR?

Chicago's numbers in the last report look like a typo. They have nearly 1 million for the El, but in Q3 2011 they had only 729,000. Plus the El number for Q3 2012 is identical to the bus number. There was probably a transcription error.

Steely Dan Feb 4, 2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Will (Post 6000837)
I get 1,286,300. Is there something besides the El and the CR?

sorry, i must have made a typo in my calculator. here's the (double checked) math from APTA Q3 2012 (double checked):

the el: 983,500
metra: 302,800
south shore: 12,600
total: 1,298,900



Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Will (Post 6000837)
Chicago's numbers in the last report look like a typo. They have nearly 1 million for the El, but in Q3 2011 they had only 729,000. Plus the El number for Q3 2012 is identical to the bus number. There was probably a transcription error.

parhaps. i don't really know. i was just copying the data from the APTA Q3 report. if their data is wrong, then my math is wrong too.

electricron Feb 4, 2013 10:53 PM

For Dallas Fort Worth metroplex
DART light rail = 94,000
TRE = 9,000
DCTA = 1,400
Total = 104,400

Nexis4Jersey Feb 4, 2013 11:03 PM

According to the ATPA New Jersey finally reported correct numbers...kinda...the sources still vary by about 10,000 at most.

Heavy Rail

-PATH : 262,000
-PATCO : 36,500

All 3 systems Light Rail : 95,000

Regional Rail : 298,600

LosAngelesSportsFan Feb 4, 2013 11:17 PM

Los Angeles MTA

December 2012

Red / Purple Line Subway - 158,830
Blue Line LRT - 91,709
Expo Line LRT - 23,193
Green Line LRT - 46,029
Gold Line LRT - 42,295

Total Rail - 362,056 - Dec 2012 (for comparison sake, Dec 2011 was 294,082 and Dec 2010 was 270,199)

With the Expo Line Phase 2, Gold Line Foothill Extension, Crenshaw Line, Downtown Connector all under construction, i expect LA to break the 500,000 barrier by 2016

Source - http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

electricron Feb 4, 2013 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan (Post 6000957)
Los Angeles MTA

December 2012

Red / Purple Line Subway - 158,830
Blue Line LRT - 91,709
Expo Line LRT - 23,193
Green Line LRT - 46,029
Gold Line LRT - 42,295

Total Rail - 362,056 - Dec 2012 (for comparison sake, Dec 2011 was 294,082 and Dec 2010 was 270,199)

With the Expo Line Phase 2, Gold Line Foothill Extension, Crenshaw Line, Downtown Connector all under construction, i expect LA to break the 500,000 barrier by 2016

Source - http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

You forgot to add Metrolink's 40,000+ daily riders.

tayser Feb 4, 2013 11:48 PM

Melbourne trains: 222,000,000 annual trips (avg 608,219 per day)
Melbourne Trams: 191,600,000 annual trips (avg 524,931 per day)

from The Age:

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/09/...uses-300x0.jpg

Shawn Feb 5, 2013 12:30 AM

For Boston (APTA Q3 2012):

Subway, all lines: 540,100
Light Rail, all lines: 255,100
Commuter Rail, all lines: 133,900
Boston Total Daily Rail Ridership: 929,100



...and now Tokyo (all Q4 2010 data, best I could find right now):

JR East, all lines (includes Shinkansen): 16,800,000
Subways, all lines: 8,6602,000
Private Commuter Trains, all lines: 10,378,600
Tokyo Total Daily Rail Ridership: pushing 35 million

The Tokyo numbers are a bit deceptive in that a trip on most of the private commuter lines turns into a trip on the subway at a certain point (ex. the commuter Tokyu Toyoko Line from Yokohama to Shibuya turns in to the Tokyo Metro Hibiya Line once you move from Shibuya through the central city, and then turns again in to the Tobu commuter line once you leave northern Tokyo and pass in to Saitama).

Combining these types of splits in to a single trip per rider, you end up with about 23 million daily rail trips in Tokyo.

Cirrus Feb 5, 2013 1:40 AM

DC

Metro: 1,027,600
MARC: 36,100
VRE: 18,800
Total: 1,082,500

afiggatt Feb 5, 2013 5:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirrus (Post 6001146)
DC

Metro: 1,027,600
MARC: 36,100
VRE: 18,800
Total: 1,082,500

It should be pointed out that the APTA numbers are for unlinked trips. That is someone taking 2 connecting Metro trains gets counted as 2 unlinked trips. In DC with entrance and exit checks of fare cards, figuring out which passengers took 2 trains is simple (assuming the most direct route). For systems that only check fare cards at the entrance with a fixed rate, the number of unlinked trips is much more of an educated estimate.

So be careful of mixing the APTA unlinked numbers to statements by the transit agency of so many passengers per day. The average daily ridership of the DC Metro is around 750K passengers per day, but I have not dug up the up to date figures for that.

Cirrus Feb 5, 2013 6:31 AM

^
True enough, but the great thing about APTA is they provide numbers for everyone, so we don't have to rely on data from individual agencies.

ardecila Feb 5, 2013 6:46 AM

Yeah, but they source their data from the agencies. It's an information portal; APTA isn't collecting their own ridership data. I don't know if they do any normalization to make the figures more comparable, though.

electricron Feb 5, 2013 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6001533)
Yeah, but they source their data from the agencies. It's an information portal; APTA isn't collecting their own ridership data. I don't know if they do any normalization to make the figures more comparable, though.

DART discovered lower ridership miss counts when manually counting, and higher counts when using automatic counting devices - a difference of around 10%. So, there are variables that can affect the accuracy of any count.

Quixote Feb 5, 2013 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan (Post 6000957)
Los Angeles MTA

December 2012

Red / Purple Line Subway - 158,830
Blue Line LRT - 91,709
Expo Line LRT - 23,193
Green Line LRT - 46,029
Gold Line LRT - 42,295

Total Rail - 362,056 - Dec 2012 (for comparison sake, Dec 2011 was 294,082 and Dec 2010 was 270,199)

With the Expo Line Phase 2, Gold Line Foothill Extension, Crenshaw Line, Downtown Connector all under construction, i expect LA to break the 500,000 barrier by 2016

Source - http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

Only Expo II and Foothill will be done by 2016 and they won't generate enough ridership to reach the 500,000 threshold. If you added the other two, you would still come up short of the milestone.

I say 425,000-450,000 by 2016. Maybe 500,000 by 2020.

Cirrus Feb 5, 2013 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6001533)
Yeah, but they source their data from the agencies. I don't know if they do any normalization to make the figures more comparable, though.

At the very very least, we know they're presenting it the same way for all the agencies. If you go to your transit agency webpage and it says "ridership = xxxx" you have no idea whether that's linked or unlinked. Boston might say one, while Philadelphia says the other. At least with APTA we know what we're dealing with for every single number. Every transit agency is treated equally, so comparisons between them are as valid as possible.

So APTA is both the easiest place to get numbers and the only place where we know they're apples-to-apples across agencies. I can't think of any reason why we'd use anything else for this thread.


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