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odinthor Oct 29, 2015 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7215941)
I've been having difficulty typing my posts and I think it might have something to do with that annoying video ad (in the center, at the bottom) that keeps loading....and loading...and loading...and loading.

Is there anyway to block the damn ad? -like shut off 'shockwave' or whatever it's call?

I've warded off some such problems by making it so that Flash player does not load automatically when arriving at a site or page; instead, I get a system pop-up which asks me if I want it (Flash) to run (in other words, I've enabled "click to play"). Here's how:

http://www.howtogeek.com/188059/how-...y-web-browser/

To which I'd like to add: Hi, all--this is my first post, though I've long been an occasional reader. Some of you may know of me from my site "A Visit to Old Los Angeles and Environs," and/or similar. Attempts to join or log in to this forum had been futile for years (!) until magically all went well a week or so ago; so here I am. My focus era is rather earlier than yours; but perhaps now and then I can offer some stray bit of information.

ethereal_reality Oct 29, 2015 6:01 PM

:previous: Welcome to 'noirish Los Angeles' odinthor. Thanks for the tip.

-sorry you had such a hard time signing up.
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odinthor Oct 29, 2015 6:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216001)
:previous: Welcome to 'noirish' Los Angeles odinthor. Thanks for the tip.

-sorry you had such a hard time signing up.

Thanks for the welcome, and glad to be a member! Oh, the hours I've spent here as a reader, fascinated by the posts and the savvy of the forum's writers...

Had spent some time trying to address your question about the large building near 408 N. Hill when I suddenly realized that you were asking about a building on the east side of Hill while I was busily researching the large building on this side of the HS on the west side of Hill. That on-the-west-side building, which looks like a boarding house, is probably the one at 409 N. Hill which was auctioning off all its movable goods on January 14, 1919: It seems to have had about 30-35 three-room apartments (extrapolating from the auction announcement). But, sigh, that's not the one you wanted to know about. Back to the drawing board!

ethereal_reality Oct 29, 2015 7:16 PM

I was wondering about this building odinthor. (I thought it resembled an auditorium of some sort)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/8yHjXO.jpg
originally posted by Tetsu

HossC Oct 29, 2015 7:40 PM

I'm not leaving any images out of this photoset, even though there's some repetition! It shows the Barker Bros furniture store at 3700 W Santa Barbara Avenue (now 3700 W Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard) in Crenshaw. It's Julius Shulman's "Job 353: Harry Bennett, Barker Brothers (Los Angeles, Calif.),1948". The description says that Harry Bennett was the architect.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

That looks like a porte cochère just off Marlton Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Notice the hills in the background - the area was still quite undeveloped in 1948.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

A closer look at the Marlton Avenue side.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

Three newly-planted palm trees.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

I'm guessing that that's the shadow of Mr Shulman.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

Looking straight at the entrance.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

A display window near the porte cochère.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The website you-are-here.com claims that the building was a 1948 Claud Beelman design, which disagrees with the photoset description above. I tried to resolve whose work it was, but the online building records only have a digital image of a 1958 alteration that added "new caisson beams and walk" (I searched for the original address).

Here's the building in June 2011. The signs indicate that it had been used for a variety of purposes, including a swap meet.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original
GSV

This image is from just one year later. Today, only the small grassy areas on the sidewalk survive. We're also missing the center palm tree, but, to quote Meatloaf, "two out of three ain't bad"!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Oct 29, 2015 7:47 PM

:previous: That was such an impressive building. I was saddened to see that last google-street view. :(

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Ferraro's Pure Carrot Juice. "Fresh Daily" "Liquid Gold"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/k3gsTR.jpg
eBay

Located at 1007 S. Primrose Avenue, Monrovia California.


...and today.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/Sr7fqv.jpg
gsv

odinthor Oct 29, 2015 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216135)
I was wondering about this building odinthor. (I thought it resembled an auditorium of some sort)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/8yHjXO.jpg
originally posted by Tetsu


I'm thinking it was built to be stables. I note the very utilitarian smaller structures around it, maybe storage for tools, harness and carriage parts, feed...

This is what has me stumped:

http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/temp.html

tovangar2 Oct 29, 2015 9:40 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7216272)
I'm thinking it was built to be stables. I note the very utilitarian smaller structures around it, maybe storage for tools, harness and carriage parts, feed...

I think it might be a bit late for stables.

Here, in ca 1898, the street frontages have been graded, leaving the cemetery on a wedge-shaped piece of land:
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7179122)

Also labeled "ca 1898", a building sort of like the one in tetsu's photo has been built, but maybe further west than the one we're looking at. It was a rooming house and hotel:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...5%252520PM.jpg
previously posted by MichaelRyerson (detail)

By 1910 more apartments had been built on the block:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...8%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks

1921. The cemetery has been transformed into a playground:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...5%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks

A permit was pulled in 1921 to move LAHS No.1 back 100'.
A permit from 1922 allows a 2-story, eight-room building to be built on the former LAHS No.1 site designed by Chauncey Fitch Skilling.

Does anyone know if this happened? It hadn't by the time of tetsu's photo. Plans must have changed.

The building in question looks rather like an auditorium/gymnasium to me (as e_r has already said).

tovangar2 Oct 29, 2015 10:27 PM

Crane Company
 
To follow-up on the PM, welcome to odinthor and many thanks for your valuable site.

This photo, looking east on 3rd from Broadway, across Spring to Main is a favorite with its bouquet of famous buildings, Jerry Illich's, the Douglas, the Stimson, the Liberty Theater, St George, Gray's, the Washington and the Bradbury:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...5%252520PM.jpg
a visit to old los angeles and environs

Can anyone tell me what "Crane Co" was (their painted sign shows over the roof of the St George)?

odinthor Oct 29, 2015 10:27 PM

Yes, quite too late for an active stable in that area; I was thinking it was perhaps a remnant of past times (but perhaps not!). The building's roof intrigues me. Without much success, I'm trying to imagine why it would be built that way.

Just to take the opportunity to put on record a tiny note about the nearby old High School, the one formerly on Pound Cake Hill: A now-deceased friend of mine told me that, in his youth, he got inside it during its period of disuse. What he remembered was the massive, heavy windows (at least, so it seemed to him in his youth), one of which I gathered he opened, at least a little (I hope he closed it afterwards!).

odinthor Oct 29, 2015 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7216414)
To follow-up on the PM, welcome to odinthor and many thanks for your valuable site.

This photo, looking east on 3rd from Broadway, across Spring to Main is a favorite with its bouquet of famous buildings, Jerry Illich's, the Douglas, the Stimson, the Liberty Theater, St George, Gray's, the Washington and the Bradbury:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...5%252520PM.jpg
a visit to old los angeles and environs

Can anyone tell me what "Crane Co" was (their painted sign shows over the roof of the St George)?

Crane Co. was a plumbing firm. I see it mentioned in the L.A. Times as supporting the La Fiesta Fund 3/27/1898; and 6/11/1910 it is again mentioned in the Times as one of the defendants in a suit against a "conspiracy" of plumbing companies. You don't want plumbers conspiring against you and getting away with it (shudder).

Edit: Not just plumbing: All sorts of manufacturing, it seems!

tovangar2 Oct 29, 2015 11:34 PM

Crane Co
 
:previous:

Oh, OK. That Crane. The 1855 Chicago one. Thanks.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...8%252520PM.jpg
crane co

ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7216272)

This is what has me stumped:

http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/temp.html

:previous:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...910/h4bxta.jpg

odinthor, at first glance I thought the building might be the back side of a synagogue.



It has the same basic shape as the Breed Street Shul in East Los Angeles. (and it's from the same time period)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/tVF4Xp.jpg
http://laeastside.com/2010/04/chican...-in-boyle-hts/

I have to say, the Breed Street Shul deserves it's own NLA post. It's such an awesome building (although in disrepair).

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ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 1:01 AM

originally posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/Dkf8Ss.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=31807

:previous: Any idea why a furniture store needs four separate antennas?

What was their purpose?
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CityBoyDoug Oct 30, 2015 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216581)
originally posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/Dkf8Ss.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=31807

:previous: Any idea why a furniture store needs four separate antennas?

What was their purpose?
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My guess ER is that the store sold TV's and needed reception for their display. Maybe they also sold high end radios?

ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 1:30 AM

:previous: You're probably right CityBoydoug. I forgot all about televisions.

tovangar2 Oct 30, 2015 2:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216561)

Do we know what the LAHS Annex on the east side of Hill looked like and when it was built? (this may be almost twenty years later than odinthor's photo):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...7%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks baist 1910

odinthor Oct 30, 2015 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7216656)
Do we know what the LAHS Annex on the east side of Hill looked like and when it was built? (this may be almost twenty years later than odinthor's photo):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...7%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks baist 1910

I can add that I've seen a pic somewhere taken of HS graduates standing in front of the HS, the photographer seemingly on the roof of whatever building it is that I've arrowed. This might (weakly) imply that it (the bldg. the photographer was on) was also HS property. So this would make sense that it would be the annex. From what we can see, the structure has a rather interesting look; I'm curious to see more of it!

CityBoyDoug Oct 30, 2015 6:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216617)
:previous: You're probably right CityBoydoug. I forgot all about televisions.

As a kid I had to go to the neighbor's house to watch TV. My stepdad thought that TV was a bad influence. He knew a lot of Hollywood movie people and he thought they were naughty.
That's funny because he was as naughty as they were. He finally bought a big RCA around 1956 when he wanted to watch the Ed Sullivan Show. The rest is history.

One of my stepdad's clients was actor Leo Carrillo....the ''Mexican'' cowboy. Leo was born in Los Angeles in 1880. I remember he telephoned our home one Saturday afternoon.
His wife died in 1953 and that call may have had something to do with that. It was very rare than any client called our home.

Leo Carrillo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pschawwrit.jpg


HossC Oct 30, 2015 2:25 PM

Here's a slightly clearer view of the mystery building near the High School. USC date this shot at circa 1904-1905. At first I thought there was some writing on the front,
but, on closer inspection, I realized it was the top decoration of the roof of the building in front. The oil derricks are very prominent in the background.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Just below the mystery building is the Broadway tunnel. We've seen it many times on NLA, but usually with stairways suspended over the entrance. This shot gives a good view of the wooden steps on the right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

The sign above the entrance warns of a $50 fine "For Riding Or Driving Through This Tunnel Faster Than A Walk". I'm guessing that $50 was a huge amount of money in 1904/05.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

The picture above is part of a three-piece photoset. I managed to successfully merge the second and third images into the panorama below.
As e_r would say, be sure to scroll right :). ----------->

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
USC Digital Library/USC Digital Library

I couldn't get the third picture to merge, but thought I should include it anyway. It fits on the left of the other two.
Originally, this image was quite washed-out. I've done my best to improve the contrast.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 3:22 PM

:previous: Fantastic post!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7217041)

At first I thought there was some writing on the front,
but, on closer inspection, I realized it was the top decoration of the roof of the building in front.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

I believe we're looking at the side of the building Hoss. If you look closely you can the gabled front with the large flagpole "sprouting" from the top.
I'd say the main entrance would be under the gable (facing left).....toward the High School (out of frame)

It was great to see those old wooden steps next to the tunnel. Thanks for pointing them out Hoss.
Is that round sign next to the steps advertising that empty plot of land for sale? (I just noticed there's a square sign there as well on the opposite side of the stairs)
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HossC Oct 30, 2015 3:55 PM

:previous:

I think you're right about the location of the entrance on our mystery building, e_r.

Here's a close-up of those "For Sale" signs. The one on the left belongs to R A Rowan at 419 Douglas Building. The one on the right shows the distinctive diagonal design of W M Garland & Co. Both companies moved around quite a bit - the 1901 CD has both of them at 212 Wilcox Building. I believe the Garland sign here says "Wilcox Block". The 1906 CD lists R A Rowan at 200 Herman W Hellman Building.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Garland's diagonal design can be seen in color on the front of the 1917 CD (1920 refers to the year of the population estimate). Note the address in the Van Nuys Building.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...land1917CD.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 4:01 PM

:previous: -very cool. I thought that was a diagonal shadow on the sign. I stand corrected.:)

tovangar2 Oct 30, 2015 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7217125)
It was great to see those old wooden steps next to the tunnel. Thanks for pointing them out Hoss.
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Yes, thank you. I don't remember being aware of the first steps before.



Incredible to think that the old Protestant cemetery on Fort Moore Hill, between LAHS No. 1 and No. 2, once so remote on its far-away hill, vandalized at will with no one noticing, became embedded in this urban neighborhood. The city was gruesomely negligent in removing the graves (much discussed on the thread). The city announced that the cemetery had been completely emptied by 1947, but remains have been continually exposed during various construction projects, most recently in 2006 when the remains of 80 more early Angelenos were found.

Hollywood Freeway construction, April 2, 1951:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...3%252520AM.jpg
lapl (first posted by fhammon on pg 380)



Thank you too CBD for the Leo Carrillo post. He had such famous and important ancestors, both Carrillos and Bandinis. He was very proud of them and loved California. He was on the California Beach and Parks Commission for 18 years and made possible the acquisition of San Simeon and the LA Arboretum, among other properties, for the public. Leo Carrillo State Beach is named for him.


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ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 4:30 PM

This is my favorite matchbook find.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...908/oDyg9A.jpg
old file / eBay


It's from a place called the "Jitterbug House" at 875 N. Vine Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...910/LuzQH3.jpg
eBay

I've been searching for a vintage photograph of the place but have had no luck. (a little help would be appreciated :)).



Here's how the whole matchbook appears.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/jl60vE.jpg
eBay

[searth words] Louis Prima and his band.

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The Jitterbug House is included in this list.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...633/WJrCYd.jpg
1998 article_LATimes

:previous: I'd also like to learn more about the Grape-Vine Cocktail Lounge in the bus station. -sounds like a great setting for a film noir!

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ethereal_reality Oct 30, 2015 6:08 PM

'mystery' bus slide/photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/5XvxOD.jpg
eBay

:previous: I love the green Charger and the purple Mustang, but that is one ugly bus.

detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/Q5DlLa.jpg

:previous:note the Civic Center sign.


I'm outta' town for a few days, have a great HALLOWEEN everyone!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/r455Dm.jpg
unknown / http://www.vintag.es/2014/10/hauntin...otographs.html
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HossC Oct 30, 2015 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7217396)

'mystery' bus slide/photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/5XvxOD.jpg
eBay

:previous:note the Civic Center sign.

The Civic Center sign has me confused, but we're looking west on Gage Avenue near the intersection with Miles Avenue. I think the building to the left of the big tree is the market store from e_r's picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

The building across the intersection also looks to be a survivor.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
GSV

unihikid Oct 30, 2015 7:09 PM

If you look at the windows and where the intersection is, the market seems to have been razed..the one story is now a two story. also take a gander at the storefront window..its a pretty close match.
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7217476)
The Civic Center sign has me confused, but we're looking west on Gage Avenue near the intersection with Miles Avenue. I think the building to the left of the big tree is the market store from e_r's picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

The building across the intersection also looks to be a survivor.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
GSV


HossC Oct 30, 2015 7:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 7217488)

If you look at the windows and where the intersection is, the market seems to have been razed..the one story is now a two story. also take a gander at the storefront window..its a pretty close match.

Here's a close-up of the building in question. It now contains two stores with their entrances at an angle to the sidewalk.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

The banner on the window gives the address of Robert's Cigars as 2867 Gage Avenue ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

... which is the same address as the market. This detail also shows the angled double front.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from GSV.

mrfredmertz Oct 30, 2015 8:39 PM

The left white door is to send the capsules and the right door is to receive.

HossC Oct 30, 2015 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7192505)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7192621)

Here's Baby Town at 18725 Sherman Way. Do you think this is the same Baby Town as advertised on the 1953 sign above?

2012
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/NZKI0R.jpg
gsv

Baby Town recently closed, and the building is being renovated.

I thought e_r had found the Baby Town store advertised on the sign until I came across this Julius Shulman photoset. This is "Job 1604: Carl Maston, Store Buildings (Los Angeles, Calif.),1953",
and the description gives the location as Reseda (we've seen a couple of Carl Maston's designs recently). The first image is the only color photograph in the set. For search purposes, the picture
also includes Country Club fashions, Reeve's Shoes, and Anita, which also appears to sell clothes.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's a different angle of the store fronts.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

This is the back of the stores facing the parking lot. Anita has a display of Fall fashions.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

And from the other end.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Here's an article about the opening of Baby Town from the October 29, 1953 edition of Valley News. It confirms the address as 18403 Sherman Way.
It also references an existing Studio City Store which is mentioned on the "Coming Soon" sign above.
NB. I've rearranged the layout to fit the screen better.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

Here's the block today. 18403 is behind the rear of the silver car. I posted "then and now" pictures of the greenish building on the left in post #31511.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

The difference in appearance of the store fronts made me think the building in the Shulman photos had been replaced. Then I found that the Googlemobile made a single
visit to the parking lot behind in July 2007. I'm pretty sure that the store backs are the same, so I'm guessing that the fronts just got a makeover. Baby Town must've
moved to the store in e_r's picture at a later date.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

rick m Oct 31, 2015 3:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7217248)
Yes, thank you. I don't remember being aware of the first steps before.



Incredible to think that the old Protestant cemetery on Fort Moore Hill, between LAHS No. 1 and No. 2, once so remote on its far-away hill, vandalized at will with no one noticing, became embedded in this urban neighborhood. The city was gruesomely negligent in removing the graves (much discussed on the thread). The city announced that the cemetery had been completely emptied by 1947, but remains have been continually exposed during various construction projects, most recently in 2006 when the remains of 80 more early Angelenos were found.

Hollywood Freeway construction, April 2, 1951:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...3%252520AM.jpg
lapl (first posted by fhammon on pg 380)



Thank you too CBD for the Leo Carrillo post. He had such famous and important ancestors, both Carrillos and Bandinis. He was very proud of them and loved California. He was on the California Beach and Parks Commission for 18 years and made possible the acquisition of San Simeon and the LA Arboretum, among other properties, for the public. Leo Carrillo State Beach is named for him.


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Carillo's home on Chatsworth St. in Granada Hills was THE place to go for a swim for a quarter- about '61 to '63 - He lived a city block west of our R.C.church - That's probably where my dad heard about this option- Carillo and he yakked a lot whilst we kids ran around the place keeping cool in the summer-- Some time later he passed on..

tovangar2 Oct 31, 2015 3:51 AM

Broadway Tunnel, north portal
 
Speaking of the Broadway Tunnel, here's a 'Then' and 'Then' of the north portal.

Adobe left high and dry by the regrading/tunnel lowering. Source says ca 1920:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...1%252520PM.jpg
seaver center

"Sunset at Broadway. Downtown Los Angeles. June 4th, 1948.":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--...3%252520PM.jpg
first posted by MichaelRyerson


A 2009 'Then and Now' from sopas ej here. 2009(also includes the adobe)
A 2011 'Then and Now' from gsjansen here (same 'Then').


Wow, exactly how long did that little adobe last?:
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6080660)
Broadway Tunnel 1926
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/6023/a...aytunnelfe.jpg
ebay

There appears to be a small building or two behind the John T. Dye billboards (notice the smoking flue).
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1934. Maybe this answers when the adobe was lost. I can't tell for sure:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...8%252520AM.jpg
first posted by MichaelRyerson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 7217954)
Carillo's home on Chatsworth St. in Granada Hills was THE place to go for a swim for a quarter- about '61 to '63 - He lived a city block west of our R.C.church - That's probably where my dad heard about this option- Carillo and he yakked a lot whilst we kids ran around the place keeping cool in the summer-- Some time later he passed on..

What? He was running a rec center at his house? I love that.

Leo Carrillo obit from LAT

JeffDiego Oct 31, 2015 6:06 AM

From out of left field, here's a slice of ultra-noirish Los Angeles.
Upon the recommendation of someone whose opinion I trust, I recently read a fascinating and well-researched series of articles by an investigative writer named Dave McGowan entitled "The Strange and Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon."
The articles, first published in 2008 at McGowan's website "Center for an Informed America" - Yes, some will dismiss McGowan as a "conspiracy theorist," - have been posted and discussed at many sites and on numerous TV and radio shows available at youtube - and have recently been expanded into a 2014 book entitled "Weird Scenes in the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops, and The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream." (available at Amazon).
"Dark" hardly begins to describe this mind-blowing trip down the rabbit hole into the truly odd and sinister history of "bucolic" Laurel Canyon.
The author lays out pages of quite amazing and often jaw-dropping facts that offer compelling evidence of strange connections between the birth and flowering of the hippie/counterculture scene ( which originated, according to McGowan, in Laurel Canyon/Hollywood, NOT San Francisco), its most iconic musicians and celebrities, and some kind of manufactured, covert military intelligence operation. All of this against a bloody background of murder, suicide, a vastly overabundant premature death-toll, and some of the biggest and most influential names in America.
Sounds nutty, I know, but take a look:

http://www.sott.net/article/155794-I...eration-Part-1


Jeff

CityBoyDoug Oct 31, 2015 12:16 PM

Posted by tonvangar2
What? He [Leo Carrillo] was running a rec center at his house? I love that.

Leo Carrillo obit from LAT[/QUOTE]


I well remember the situation in the 1950's and 60s. Yes, there were a few people who operated their private home pools for a fee. One family in San Gabriel welcomed the Cub Scout boys for 25 Cents per head.
They even provided hot dogs and sodas for a small fee. It felt very strange but that's the way it was.

Having a pool in those days was often very awkward. My family did not generally allow neighbors to use our pool. We had the only pool in the neighborhood and my parents enacted strict rules. Our friends from school were not welcome either. The only time I ever saw strangers using our pool were people from our church. To be honest, I was happy when that era ended and we moved to a different house.

How our backyard began circa the 1950s and as later remodeled by a Japanese company...Dyo Bros, Pasadena.. The pool was built in 1948 by a previous family with four boys.
Left photo....the reed fencing came from the Akron surplus store.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psrfshjpj2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psgzim8rrr.jpg

so-cal-bear Oct 31, 2015 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7217396)
'mystery' bus slide/photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/5XvxOD.jpg
eBay

:previous: I love the green Charger and the purple Mustang, but that is one ugly bus.

detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/Q5DlLa.jpg

:previous:note the Civic Center sign.


I'm outta' town for a few days, have a great HALLOWEEN everyone!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/r455Dm.jpg
unknown / http://www.vintag.es/2014/10/hauntin...otographs.html
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The ugly bus is a GM OLd Look model and the green charger is actually a 1970 Plymouth Duster.

HossC Oct 31, 2015 11:21 PM

This is the Ahmanson Bank and Trust Company at 1460 Westwood Boulevard. Although it's from Julius Shulman's "Job 5179: Frank Homolka, Ahmanson Bank (Los Angeles, Calif.),1975", the description says "Photography credit to Carlos von Frankenberg."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

A couple of shots of the interior.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

Being a later photoset, it also includes some color images.
NB. I've tweaked the colors of the exterior shots.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

This is the view from Ohio Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

I haven't touched the colors on this interior shot. I wish banks still had rugs like the one seen here!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Here's the building today. It's now the Dollar Loan Center. Other than the signage, I think the only change is the addition of a ramp at the front.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

Streetview also goes inside the building. I miss the rug :).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

A current view from Ohio Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

I'll finish with this attractive little building across the street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from GSV

CityBoyDoug Nov 1, 2015 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7218549)
This is the Ahmanson Bank and Trust Company at 1460 Westwood Boulevard. Although it's from Julius Shulman's "Job 5179: Frank Homolka, Ahmanson Bank (Los Angeles, Calif.),1975", the description says "Photography credit to Carlos von Frankenberg."

Yes, that carpet is a lot of fun. I want one...:):tup: Its probably now in someone's den.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pslbjbmyzc.jpg
detail from previous post

tovangar2 Nov 1, 2015 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7218549)
I'll finish with this attractive little building across the street.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
GSV


Your little building was built surprisingly late, 1940. R.E. Williams designed the $30K project as a store for owner John Stone. It's frame and stucco on a concrete foundation.

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Happy Halloween everyone

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d...9%252520PM.jpg
attireclub (no location or date)

John Maddox Roberts Nov 1, 2015 3:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7218150)
Posted by tonvangar2
What? He [Leo Carrillo] was running a rec center at his house? I love that.

Leo Carrillo obit from LAT


I well remember the situation in the 1950's and 60s. Yes, there were a few people who operated their private home pools for a fee. One family in San Gabriel welcomed the Cub Scout boys for 25 Cents per head.
They even provided hot dogs and sodas for a small fee. It felt very strange but that's the way it was.

Having a pool in those days was often very awkward. My family did not generally allow neighbors to use our pool. We had the only pool in the neighborhood and my parents enacted strict rules. Our friends from school were not welcome either. The only time I ever saw strangers using our pool were people from our church. To be honest, I was happy when that era ended and we moved to a different house.

How our backyard began circa the 1950s and as later remodeled by a Japanese company...Dyo Bros, Pasadena.. The pool was built in 1948 by a previous family with four boys.
Left photo....the reed fencing came from the Akron surplus store.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psrfshjpj2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psgzim8rrr.jpg[/QUOTE]

I well remember those years. My aunt and uncle had a house in Pasadena, in the Linda Vista neighborhood, and they had the only pool in the neighborhood at that time. The neighbor kids could use it, but only at certain hours and only with an adult present. The rules, as you say, were prominently posted. It was surrounded by a fence, as was the law. A pool could be a serious legal liability in those days and failure to observe all the rules could open you to a charge of "maintaining an attractive nuisance." This was the result of a rash of child drownings in the then-new backyard pools of the postwar L.A. area.

Flyingwedge Nov 1, 2015 5:36 AM

Los Angeles High School Annex on North Hill Street across from 1891 LAHS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7216561)

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7216740)
I can add that I've seen a pic somewhere taken of HS graduates standing in front of the HS, the photographer seemingly on the roof of whatever building it is that I've arrowed. This might (weakly) imply that it (the bldg. the photographer was on) was also HS property. So this would make sense that it would be the annex. From what we can see, the structure has a rather interesting look; I'm curious to see more of it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7216656)
Do we know what the LAHS Annex on the east side of Hill looked like and when it was built? (this may be almost twenty years later than odinthor's photo):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...7%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks baist 1910

Here ya go . . . .

Los Angeles Times, May 30, 1900:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg~original
LAPL

Annual Report of the Board of Education, 1899-1900:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...v.jpg~original
Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...view=1up;seq=6

Annual Report of the Board of Education, 1899-1900
(I think the center circle is a fountain):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original
Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=24

Annual Report of the Board of Education, 1899-1900
(The annex described):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...f.jpg~original
Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=16

Annual Report of the Board of Education, 1900-1901
(This has to be looking east):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original
Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=24

tovangar2 Nov 1, 2015 6:27 AM

LAHS #2 Annex
 
Well done Flyingwedge!

"Commercial" was the magic search word for me. Thank you so much.

LA Herald 2 September 1900:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...8%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...1%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...6%252520PM.jpg
cdnc

JScott Nov 1, 2015 11:31 AM

Fort Hill Cemetery
 
1892. Despite the severe cut at the property line, the cemetery appears to be in generally well-maintained condition. There is dense mature tree growth, and numerous headstones and monuments can be seen immediately inside the fence. Overall, it still looks like it's considered sacred ground.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/fort_h...etery_1892.jpg
Bird's eye view of downtown Los Angeles, north from Courthouse, west on Temple Street, USC Digital Library.


1898. Nearby development has clearly had an impact on the cemetery. The boundary fence is mostly gone, as are a good many grave markers, and significant soil erosion has taken place. The vegetation is noticeably sparser, too, and the grounds in general have a trampled appearance.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/fort_h...etery_1898.jpg
Panoramic view of downtown Los Angeles looking north from the courthouse, 1898, USC Digital Library.


1904. A few monuments can still be seen standing behind the high school, but I kind of doubt any of them will be there ten years from now.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/fort_h...etery_1904.jpg
Panoramic view of Los Angeles, from the court house (corner of Broadway and Temple Street), ca.1904-1905; USC Digital Library.


The degradation of the settler-era cemetery should perhaps not be surprising, considering the largest high school in southern California was built immediately adjacent to it. Teenagers are notorious for desecrating burial grounds, and I suspect the kids at L.A. High were no exception. After twenty-five years of probably continual vandalism, is it any wonder that, by the time LAHS moved to Olympic in 1917, all evidence of the old cemetery was gone, and the whole site totally forgotten by the post-War years?



Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7216367)
Here, in ca 1898, the street frontages have been graded, leaving the cemetery on a wedge-shaped piece of land:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...4%252520PM.jpg
ucla islandora depository

Also labeled "ca 1898", a building sort of like the one in tetsu's photo has been built, but maybe further west than the one we're looking at. It was a rooming house and hotel:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...5%252520PM.jpg
previously posted by MichaelRyerson (detail)

By 1910 more apartments had been built on the block:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...8%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks

1921. The cemetery has been transformed into a playground:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...5%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks


MartinTurnbull Nov 1, 2015 4:02 PM

A Streetcar Named...Bliss...?
 
I've come across this photo on various places around the internet, but none of them come with an explanation of what that "BLISS" sign is about. It looks like the name of the depot (or station? or stop?) but I've never come across any mention of it. Apparently the shot is from 1909. Can anyone lurking around these here parts shed any more light on the what and where of this photo?


http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...1909-Bliss.jpg

tovangar2 Nov 1, 2015 4:21 PM

Bliss
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y...3%252520AM.jpg
jalopyjournal

Per Water and Power: "According to old rail maps, Bliss was a station located north of Glendale."



Time to get the maps out...


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tovangar2 Nov 1, 2015 5:11 PM

LAHS No. 1
 
Thank you Scott. I was just wondering, since tetsu posted the color image of LAHS #1, when the eastern extention was built:

1892:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...1%252520AM.jpg
uscdl

1898:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...0%252520AM.jpguscdl

Ezra Kysor retired from Kysor, Morgan and Walls by 1890. I'll assume Morgan and Walls did the addition.

I'm glad someone tried to save the building:

"Construction of the highway spelled the end for several pieces of Downtown history. The route cut through Fort Moore Hill, site of the Los Angeles High School. The school originally opened at Broadway and Temple in 1873, and was moved to the Fort Moore site. As construction of the freeway loomed closer, various interests fought to move the historic building to a nearby site, but the school board eventually voted to raze the structure instead."
-blogdowntown

A painful loss.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...4%252520AM.jpg
lapl (first posted by MichaelRyerson on pg 418)

"Three old schools, now in the path where a section of the Hollywood Freeway will be constructed, are being razed on Fort Moore Hill to make way for the new thoroughfare. (1) is the Fort Hill School; (2) is the first high school built in Los Angeles, and (3) is Central School. Everything between the broken lines will be cleared away for the super-roadway, Photo dated: February 1, 1949. "

HossC Nov 1, 2015 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 7218953)

I've come across this photo on various places around the internet, but none of them come with an explanation of what that "BLISS" sign is about. It looks like the name of the depot (or station? or stop?) but I've never come across any mention of it. Apparently the shot is from 1909. Can anyone lurking around these here parts shed any more light on the what and where of this photo?

The same question was posed by e_r in post #7958 (using the same picture). In post #8003, GW clipped a section out of a 1912 Pacific Electric Trolley map originally posted by Chuckaluck to pinpoint the location of Bliss:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520PM.bmp.jpg
www.pacificelectric.org

HossC Nov 1, 2015 5:53 PM

About a week ago, OLeander5-5225 asked for information and photos concerning the area around South Flores Street between Beverly Boulevard and W 3rd Street, and the driving range that once stood there. If anyone with an LAT subscription can get a better resolution image of the clipping in post #31709, it would be a start.

While searching for pictures of the area, I came across the picture below. I think it's new to NLA. It's a Herman Schultheis shot from the 1940s, and features the oil well in La Cienega which was mentioned again recently.

"Several people can be seen riding a small train that travels through Beverly Park, as others wait on either side. The oil derrick (upper right) is in the center of La Cienega Boulevard."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...yParkTrain.jpg
LAPL

HossC Nov 1, 2015 10:13 PM

Thanks for the information about the little building opposite the Ahmanson Bank, tovangar2.


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Wolf's Lair at 2869 Durand Drive isn't new to NLA - e_r posted a selection of pictures in post #17738. These are from Julius Shulman's "Job 5664: 'Wolf's Lair' (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1979, 1981"

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

There's a virtually identical color version of this shot in e_r's post.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I'm guessing that this is the front door.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

And here's a close-up of the ironwork.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

From this angle it looks like the pool is kidney-shaped. I like the little bridge on the right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

A room with a view.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

Here's a better look of the light fitting and ceiling.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

The last two photos show the view over the Hollywood Reservoir.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

ethereal_reality Nov 1, 2015 11:22 PM

:previous: interesting post Hoss. I didn't realize Wolf's Lair had such an impressive view of Lake Hollywood.

Here's a recent aerial.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/flnfeV.jpg
http://mansion-homes.com/dream/the-i...s-lair-castle/


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...907/Kossoo.jpg
http://mansion-homes.com/dream/the-i...s-lair-castle/

Shrieking monkies and tunnels...ya gotta love that.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...907/zWM6uw.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com


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