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Martin Pal Oct 11, 2020 9:48 PM

:previous:


Scott Charles...

jerry 1956's link, below, to the Tail of the Pup article on Laist is from 2016.
https://www.lamag.com/askchris/tail-...valley-museum/

Yes, plans were made for one to reopen in it's original location and a couple others planned to open elsewhere.
And what you quoted above about the original is accurate at that time.

Next we have a June, 2017 article from Los Angeles Magazine:
https://www.lamag.com/askchris/tail-...valley-museum/

This article states that the original Tail of the Pup will be an exhibit at the Valley Relics Museum. The end of the article says: "The museum is inviting fans to come greet the Pup at 2 p.m. on Thursday at The Print Lab in North Hollywood, where it will be cleaned and prepared to go on display at the museum later this month."

Next, we have this article from Los Angeles Magazine a year later, July 31, 2018:
https://www.lamag.com/digestblog/tai...ng-1933-group/

This article states the "original" Tail of the Pup has been acquired by the 1933Group.

This article is from LA Curbed a few days later, August 3, 2018:
https://la.curbed.com/2018/8/3/17635...ner-1933-group

It states, "Tail O’ the Pup and its fantastic neon sign were donated to the Valley Relics Museum about a year ago, after a deal between its longtime owners, the Blake family, and potential business partners to bring the Pup back fell through. The museum put it in storage, and museum founder Tommy Gelinas told Curbed in 2017 that it has sat awaiting restoration. Gelinas connected the Blakes with 1933 Group, says Green. The family “wanted to find the right people.”

The last word right now is that the 1933Group, which restored the Formosa and reopened it last year, is looking for a suitable location for it, it's original one or one nearby.
The 1933Group has it on their website where it says, "We're comin' back soon! Stay tuned!"
https://www.1933group.com/#/tail-o-the-pup

Then they have the link to the Los Angeles Magazine story I linked above. EXCEPT, if you click their link it doesn't work, because they left out the "s" in the http"s" of the link.
So use mine if you want to read it.

So that's the latest info
for the Tail of the Pup!

Snix Oct 11, 2020 9:54 PM

That was the plan of the former owners (Killer Shrimp) in 2016. The 1933 Group fully intend to return the original building to its original use. They have acquired a property and are building out a modern kitchen that the Pup will sit in front of. The 2018 article I shared explained it all: https://www.lamag.com/digestblog/tai...ng-1933-group/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9070314)
According to the link posted above by jerry1656, the restored building will NOT be used as a restaurant again:


badrunner Oct 11, 2020 10:55 PM

4K colorized version of the famous Bunker Hill video:

Video Link

gweilo8888 Oct 12, 2020 5:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6627192)
The Harold's establishment mentioned above and in the last couple pages at 555 S. Main St. is seen in the following undated photo:

http://www.amoeba.com/admin/uploads/...#39;s1950s.jpg
http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2013/06/eric-s-blog.html

Just FYI, the street-level exterior of Harold's Cafe aka Harold's Entertainment at 555 S. Main St., as well as of the two adjacent businesses to its right, can all be seen in color circa ~1981 in season 2, episode 15 of Hill Street Blues, "Some Like It Hot-Wired".

Harold's and "Camera Exchange" (553 S. Main St.) both play backdrop to Officer Renko's pay phone call midway through the episode. A separate scene later in the same episode again shows Camera Exchange and an unidentified, adjacent XXX theater at, presumably, 551 S. Main St.

I spotted all of these while researching filming locations -- something of a hobby of mine -- and this thread proved to be the key to my nailing down the location, as Martin's photo was a perfect match, showing both Harold's and Camera Exchange side-by-side.

Hopefully this post, in turn, will prove of interest to you all!

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2020 10:21 PM

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Thanks for your help on the Wilshire Coronado Center, HossC and GaylordWilshire.


I see there is a Tip's at the bottom of the art deco tower.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/f85hhZ.jpg
full photo HERE


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/CNpOBy.jpg
eBay


Cocktails and Pancakes. :slob:

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Martin Pal Oct 12, 2020 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gweilo8888 (Post 9070535)
Just FYI, the street-level exterior of Harold's Cafe aka Harold's Entertainment at 555 S. Main St., as well as of the two adjacent businesses to its right, can all be seen in color circa ~1981 in season 2, episode 15 of Hill Street Blues, "Some Like It Hot-Wired".

Harold's and "Camera Exchange" (553 S. Main St.) both play backdrop to Officer Renko's pay phone call midway through the episode. A separate scene later in the same episode again shows Camera Exchange and an unidentified, adjacent XXX theater at, presumably, 551 S. Main St.

I spotted all of these while researching filming locations -- something of a hobby of mine -- and this thread proved to be the key to my nailing down the location, as Martin's photo was a perfect match, showing both Harold's and Camera Exchange side-by-side.

Hopefully this post, in turn, will prove of interest to you all!
_________________________________________________________________


:cheers: Many thanks, gweilo8888, for this further information! New information is always welcome!!!

ethereal_reality Oct 12, 2020 11:57 PM

I don't believe we have seen this photograph of the Tail O' the Pup on nla.

It was taken in 1963 by photographer, Julian Wasser.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ImVieB.jpg
1stdibs

Judging by the location of Mount Sinai Hospital this isn't the La Cienega and Beverly Blvd. location. This location is a bit farther west on Beverly Blvd. but I forget the cross street.

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CALGAL 72 Oct 13, 2020 12:09 AM

Have been away from looking in on this thread since March and ws SURE that the last
page number I saw was much higher. Am I imagining things or was there some sort of
re-numbering done? The inquiring minds really wants to know.

Thanks -- and am SO glad to be back & lurking.

Lwize Oct 13, 2020 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALGAL 72 (Post 9071149)
Have been away from looking in on this thread since March and ws SURE that the last
page number I saw was much higher. Am I imagining things or was there some sort of
re-numbering done? The inquiring minds really wants to know.

Thanks -- and am SO glad to be back & lurking.

I have been logged in for months, and I'm set at 25 replies/page.
This (for me) is page 2227.

If you're set at 20 replies per page, this is 2784.

Make of it what you will...

BillinGlendaleCA Oct 13, 2020 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9071134)
I don't believe we have seen this photograph of the Tail O' the Pup on nla.

It was taken in 1963 by photographer, Julian Wasser.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ImVieB.jpg
1stdibs

Judging by the location of Mount Sinai Hospital this isn't the La Cienega and Beverly Blvd. location. This location is a bit farther west on Beverly Blvd. but I forget the cross street.

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Looks about right to me, Cedars is about a block or so west of La Cienega.

riichkay Oct 13, 2020 6:55 AM

I took the Ruschamobile, 1966 model, for a spin down Sunset and arrived in pre-hipster Silverlake...just past Micheltorena St. was a fairly drab streetscape of nondescript storefronts...I noted a few businesses with nominal signage, basically just the name of the place....I took these to be windowless bars, and perhaps not your typical neighborhood tavern, where you might pop in with the missus for a highball and a game of bar-top shuffleboard on a given Saturday night....just sayin'...



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3335-3337 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3037 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

2939 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3111 Sunset Blvd....the building has been demolished.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Wait, what?....I have been in hundreds of bars, never saw a place with these hours...then as now a 2 A.M. curfew for alcohol, no?....



All of these joints appeared in The Address Book, a kind of Green Book for the gay community....1965 edition....  

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

CaliNative Oct 13, 2020 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9071066)
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Thanks for your help on the Wilshire Coronado Center, HossC and GaylordWilshire.


I see there is a Tip's at the bottom of the art deco tower.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/f85hhZ.jpg
full photo HERE


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/CNpOBy.jpg
eBay


Cocktails and Pancakes. :slob:

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Are there any Tip's left? There used to be a big one at the start of the Ridge Route (now I-5) just north of Newhall. And whatever became of the "Flying A" (Andromeda) gas stations? I recall Mobil (Standard of NY) used it for a while, but the they merged with Exxon (Standard of NJ) and the horse left us. The flying horse was a nice symbol that should have been preserved. Some of the little things in the noirish past I miss. I miss the Richfield tower and the Flying A gas stations, and a lot more.

There were rules back then, some silly, but life was more predictable. Now we have anarchy and life seems chaotic, a wild ride from day to day, and human beings live on the sidewalks. At least in the '30s they had shantytowns called "Hoovervilles" if they couldn't fork over 50 cents for a bed at a flophouse or a dollar for a room. And people dressed up, even the poor. Rules. Civility.

ethereal_reality Oct 13, 2020 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9071287)
Looks about right to me, Cedars is about a block or so west of La Cienega.

Yes, but Cedars Sinai is a bit south of Beverly Boulevard so there's no way the hospital building in the ummm. . .err. . .whoa.



I stand corrected, Bill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/YAooQh.jpg
google_earth

I was thinking of the more modern main building at Cedars Sinai which is half a block south of Beverly Blvd. (the one you can drive under)


& I had this San Vicente address in the back of my mind. (shown below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/qOAfkK.jpg
wiki

. .which was much later than 1963. (by several decades)





While googling I found some interesting images of the expansion of Mount Sinai Hospital. ( eventually to include Cedars of Lebanon Hospital)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/FQjtyz.jpg
scalar

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:previous: - 1963 is the same year as the Wasser photograph.



And here's the building I was thinking of earlier.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LY1j0f.jpg
scalar

The smaller building on the right is the building in the Wasser photograph





I'm having a difficult time concentrating. my mom is watching an Elvis Presley movie.

Martin Pal Oct 13, 2020 6:19 PM

:previous:

So you're...all shook up?

BillinGlendaleCA Oct 13, 2020 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9071637)
Yes, but Cedars Sinai is a bit south of Beverly Boulevard so there's no way the hospital building in the ummm. . .err. . .whoa.



I stand corrected, Bill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/YAooQh.jpg
google_earth

I was thinking of the more modern main building at Cedars Sinai which is half a block south of Beverly Blvd. (the one you can drive under)



The smaller building on the right is the building in the Wasser photograph
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LY1j0f.jpg
scalar



I'm having a difficult time concentrating. my mom is watching an Elvis Presley movie.

I hear a lot about Cedars since the kid is an OR nurse there. Those streets have been renamed for George Burns and Gracie Allen.

ETA: Speaking of Cedars, here's their original location on Carroll Ave.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f845cf9b_b.jpg_5090008.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

ScottyB Oct 14, 2020 5:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9071372)
I took the Ruschamobile, 1966 model, for a spin down Sunset and arrived in pre-hipster Silverlake...just past Micheltorena St. was a fairly drab streetscape of nondescript storefronts...I noted a few businesses with nominal signage, basically just the name of the place....I took these to be windowless bars, and perhaps not your typical neighborhood tavern, where you might pop in with the missus for a highball and a game of bar-top shuffleboard on a given Saturday night....just sayin'...



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3335-3337 Sunset Blvd.

Nice post riichkay! I lived in the area mid-transition from then to now, fun to see the old 'hood.

GatoVerde Oct 14, 2020 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stanklem (Post 9065086)

These guys need a half-decent tailor.



Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9064530)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
streetgangs.com

Add re: Clanton St., four gang members on the corner of Essex and Clanton St., 1947.

^^^
Are these gentlemen wearing "zoot suits"? Where can you buy one of those? Maybe at Men's Wearhouse? Amazon? Cool look.


During WWII, US soldiers, aided by their superiors and by civilians alike, rampaged and brutalized young Mexican American men in Los Angeles. The soldiers’ excuse for the pogrom was because they felt disrespected by the Zoot Suiter’s famed partying and dancing during wartime while soldiers were fighting a war. Never mind that Mexican Americans disproportionately and famously filled the ranks of frontline fighters in the war. Considering this photo is taken five or so years after those atrocities, I think it would be safe to surmise that these young men felt perfectly comfortable with their trusted tailors and were unlikely interested in getting a new look. Note that homeboy on the right seems ready to throw down, and can perhaps be heard echoing something like “orale ese, you still don’t like my Zoot Suit?”

Hollywood Graham Oct 14, 2020 3:44 PM

Shops and Bars On Sunset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9071372)
I took the Ruschamobile, 1966 model, for a spin down Sunset and arrived in pre-hipster Silverlake...just past Micheltorena St. was a fairly drab streetscape of nondescript storefronts...I noted a few businesses with nominal signage, basically just the name of the place....I took these to be windowless bars, and perhaps not your typical neighborhood tavern, where you might pop in with the missus for a highball and a game of bar-top shuffleboard on a given Saturday night....just sayin'...



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3335-3337 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3037 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

2939 Sunset Blvd.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
gsv



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

3111 Sunset Blvd....the building has been demolished.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Wait, what?....I have been in hundreds of bars, never saw a place with these hours...then as now a 2 A.M. curfew for alcohol, no?....



All of these joints appeared in The Address Book, a kind of Green Book for the gay community....1965 edition....  

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

I grew up on the hill in back of 3111 Sunset in the 40's to early 60's. In the early years the corner building now gone was a liquor store then a bar (The Crow Bar) and probably other names along the way. I would stop at Soo Hoo on the way home from Michaeltorena St. School and buy smoked Salmon in a little pack and also peas for my pea shooter. The corner of Silverlake and Sunset was a cleaners, Elite Market, radio-tv repair, shoe repair shop and a hardware store (formerly a soda shop). There was a Taxi stand there also. All changed and gone now, just memories.

ethereal_reality Oct 14, 2020 4:14 PM

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Excellent post, riichkay. . . and thanks for sharing your memories, Hollywood Graham.
Dive bars, more often than not, are the bars with the most character.





There is a divey looking bar called the Flamingo in this photograph of a fire at 1035 N. La Brea.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mTRkpp.jpg





Here's a closer look with the contrast adjusted.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PJDXgs.jpg
eBay

. . . .:previous: Judging by those 8 x 10s it appears the bar showcased female entertainers. (strip joint? :shrug:)






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BDiH Oct 14, 2020 6:28 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;9072919].
Excellent post, riichkay. . . and thanks for sharing your memories, Hollywood Graham.
Dive bars, more often than not, are the bars with the most character.





There is a divey looking bar called the Flamingo in this photograph of a fire at 1035 N. La Brea.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mTRkpp.jpg





Here's a closer look with the contrast adjusted.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PJDXgs.jpg
eBay

. . . .:previous: Judging by those 8 x 10s it appears the bar showcased female entertainers. (strip joint? :shrug:)

Female impersonators


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