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ethereal_reality Feb 8, 2017 6:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinkler (Post 7704876)
Betty is on the south side of the Wrigley Mansion (Tournament House) in Pasadena. Seems that in the ensuing years, a building extension has been added in/near the spot where she was standing.

A recent photo of the area
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/0CYKW7.jpg
Sherry Schmidt Watercolors
http://sherryschmidt.blogspot.com/20...y-gardens.html

:previous: Thanks so much Dinkler!

Here's a glimpse inside the Wrigley Mansion, circa.1920s

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/Pc7pcp.jpg
https://www.tournamentofroses.com/hi...urnament-house


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/oKbo7U.jpg
https://www.tournamentofroses.com/hi...urnament-house

:previous: Why is there a cord running up to the ceiling light fixture?
I've seen that before in noirish SROs, but not in a fancy mansion)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/VmC1CK.jpg
https://www.tournamentofroses.com/hi...urnament-house
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update:
I just found a 2nd Betty White photo taken that same day at the Wrigley Mansion.

In this one, she's holding roses instead of that humongous radio microphone.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/V4nPEL.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/481111172662600428/

they give the date as 1963. (I was thinking earlier)

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ethereal_reality Feb 8, 2017 6:47 AM

Here's some rather tittilating ephemera from 1954.

From what I gather "By Maureen" is a specialty business supplying swimwear for photo shoots.

The seller on ebay began with this grouping of several items.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/8GMqNR.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-.../361849286264?




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/0qga8J.jpg
ebay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/yq3A8g.jpg
ebay


for search purposes:

"BY MAUREEN" 128 So. Alvarado St., Los Angeles 57 Calif.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/7m9H9F.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/AOuXHa.jpg




this must be Barbara Osterman as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/ZnLuyr.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-...YAAOSwfZ1Wbif1



and finally the 1954 calendar, a bit larger.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/RStpxV.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-...YAAOSwfZ1Wbif1

Is anyone familiar with Barbara Osterman? (the model)

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tovangar2 Feb 8, 2017 6:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7704915)
Why the cord running up to the ceiling light fixture......(wasn't it wired correctly?)
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I should think the cord is plugged into the ceiling fixture to power the desk lamp which is not near a wall, not an unusual arrangement at one time. Some rooms, in some homes, did not have outlets, the electrics being confined to the chandelier & sconces.

(the cartoonist George Booth had a nice line in single ceiling bulbs/outlets in more modest homes. See here and here)

CityBoyDoug Feb 8, 2017 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7704927)
I should think the cord is plugged into the ceiling fixture to power the desk lamp which is not near a wall, not an unusual arrangement at one time.

[SIZE="3"]In those days it was thought to be OK to have only one electrical outlet per room. Of course today in 2017 we require on outlet on each wall and hopefully more.

Flyingwedge Feb 8, 2017 7:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7704915)
Here's a glimpse inside the Wrigley Mansion, circa.1920s

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/oKbo7U.jpg
https://www.tournamentofroses.com/hi...urnament-house

:previous: Why the cord running up to the ceiling light fixture......(wasn't it wired correctly?)

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I guess that's how home wiring was done back then, e_r.


Los Angeles Times, July 27, 1930:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psohdwhdll.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL

ethereal_reality Feb 8, 2017 7:16 AM

Thanks t2, CBD and FW.

:previous:

Here's a 1940s hotel room with one of those out-of-date ceiling outlets mentioned in FW's article.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/EoEmG0.jpg
pinterest

(unknown location)

CityBoyDoug Feb 8, 2017 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7704924)
Here's some rather tittilating ephemera from 1954.

From what I gather "By Maureen" is a specialty business supplying swimwear for photo shoots.

The seller on ebay began with this grouping of several items. [see Reply by CBD below]


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Notice the 1954 CA Sales Tax Rate. Circled in blue below.

In Los Angeles County the Sales Tax rate is 8.75% in 2017. [ in the 1950s it was 3% ]

Back in the 1950s the CA government had millions of dollars in surplus money.
Today CA is practically broke and the sales tax has almost tripled.
Ahhh....the joy of BIG government.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psautn1kkj.jpg
Previous forum photo by ER.

tovangar2 Feb 8, 2017 7:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7704933)
In those days it was thought to be OK to have only one electrical outlet per room. Of course today in 2017 we require on outlet on each wall and possibly more.

A friend's home (this was in the 60s) had painted metal baseboards, wired for discreet, two-prong outlets every 30" or so. I've never seen that anywhere else.


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Thank you FW, that article really laid it out.

CityBoyDoug Feb 8, 2017 7:41 AM

:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7704941)
A friend's home (this was in the 60s) had painted metal baseboards, wired for discreet, two-prong outlets every 30" or so. I've never seen that anywhere else.
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Thank you FW, that article really laid it out.

Must have been a nice up-scale home.:);):D:tup: Is it still standing? ....and where is it?

HossC Feb 8, 2017 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7703308)

Has anyone heard of the 'Figer 8 Grill' on Figueroa?

I thought 'Figer' was a typo in the directory until I came across this matchbook on ebay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/2JH5BJ.jpgebay

The Figer 8 Grill appears at 748 S Figueroa in the CDs from 1956 to 1973, so I'm guessing that this 931 W 8th Street address was earlier.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Vintage Matchbooks of Los Angeles on Facebook

oldstuff Feb 8, 2017 4:49 PM

[QUOTE=tovangar2;7704927]I should think the cord is plugged into the ceiling fixture to power the desk lamp which is not near a wall, not an unusual arrangement at one time. Some rooms, in some homes, did not have outlets, the electrics being confined to the chandelier & sconces.

(the cartoonist George Booth had a nice line in single ceiling bulbs/outlets in more modest homes. See here and here)[/QUOT


I believe that the fixture with a light bulb socket and one or two plugs on the sides was called a "current tap" . We had one on the front porch light for years to plug in the Christmas Lights. I still have one or two hanging around in the garage somewhere (one of the advantages, or disadvantages of never moving)

oldstuff Feb 8, 2017 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7704934)
I guess that's how home wiring was done back then, e_r.


Los Angeles Times, July 27, 1930:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...l.jpg~original

ProQuest via LAPL

My 1939 home has wall outlets, at least one on each wall. I also have an outlet for plugging a radio antenna into which supposedly used the house wiring as an antenna in the days before TV. Does anyone have a picture of one of those?

odinthor Feb 8, 2017 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7704476)
A few months ago we saw a picture of SoCal Indians living in what looked like Army Sibley tents from the Civil War. Many of these men are wearing U.S. military jackets and even hats, but they have no military firearms so they are not Indian auxiliaries. Were they given castoff military attire as government support?

Not sure in this particular instance what the backstory is; but now and then I run across instances of California or other Southwest Indians--usually a chief--being given a military coat or headgear as a diplomatic or otherwise friendly gesture, or as a reward for outstanding and perhaps unexpected assistance. The only Indian/uniform anecdote I can put my finger on at the moment, however--and it's not as relevant as I might wish--is this, from the Los Angeles Star of May 16, 1863: “Our city has been favored this week with a visit from As-par-qua-miah, alias ‘Eagle Sky,’ the principal Chief of the Mojave Pah-Utes. He and Iratabia, (who was here some years ago) command the tribes of the Colorado; and both of them have rendered service to the whites on the river. Eagle Sky came here in the charge of Mr. John Moss, who speaks several Indian languages fluently. He stops at the Bella Union Hotel, which he calls ‘big eat house,’ and some of the boys dressed him up in soldier’s uniform of a late local company, in which he struts around quite proudly."

Blaster Feb 8, 2017 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7704924)
Here's some rather tittilating ephemera from 1954.

From what I gather "By Maureen" is a specialty business supplying swimwear for photo shoots.

The seller on ebay began with this grouping of several items.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/8GMqNR.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-.../361849286264?



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/0qga8J.jpg
ebay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/yq3A8g.jpg
ebay


for search purposes:

"BY MAUREEN" 128 So. Alvarado St., Los Angeles 57 Calif.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/7m9H9F.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/AOuXHa.jpg




this must be Barbara Osterman as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/ZnLuyr.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-...YAAOSwfZ1Wbif1



and finally the 1954 calendar, a bit larger.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/RStpxV.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-FAMOUS-...YAAOSwfZ1Wbif1

Is anyone familiar with Barbara Osterman? (the model)

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Here's an obituary for her. She appears to have led a happy and successful life.


http://www.mailtribune.com/article/2...ws04/310159974

Godzilla Feb 8, 2017 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7704891)
:previous: Thanks tovangar2!

With the information you provided I was able to track down some additional information.



http://amertribes.proboards.com/thre...ameleon-people

. . . . .

But I'm a bit confused; the information at the top says the photograph was taken by D.P. Flanders [1873-1874], but on the stereo-view (I posted earlier)
it says "photographed by T.E. Stanton".

I wonder which is correct?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/68CZUw.jpg
found on ebay

and why was it labeled 'Los Angeles Cal'?

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Pioneer Western photographers, Flanders and Stanton, both had Los Angeles connections although they both traveled with their cameras outside of the area. It is just an uneducated guess that Flanders may have captured the image and Stanton printed/published it. Or someone may have co-opted the image, innocently or otherwise. ;)


A source of similar images bearing "T.E. Stanton's" imprimator (Calisphere) indicates that Los Angeles was the "place of publication." See e.g., https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/tf4d5nb6c7/
T.E. Stanton is listed as a photographer at 119 N Main in the 1887-8CD. (He resided at "7 Friend Av.")

D[udley].P. Flanders, according to one source, was allegedly born in 1840 and, among other things, had a Los Angeles gallery prior to 1872 and had him as a registered voter in 1875. Evidently, he collaborated with other photographers. https://books.google.com/books?id=Nn...rapher&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Nne4L9h27RsC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=d.p.+flanders+photographer&source=bl&ots=a1N1bqEs15&sig=OS6SGRGmylzFDOiWBEF9Bk9IvAw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR4N6EjoHSAhVEjLwKHbkmCUcQ6AEIKTAF#v=onepage&q=d.p.%20flanders%20photographer&f=false

tovangar2 Feb 8, 2017 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7704945)
:)

Must have been a nice up-scale home.:);):D:tup: Is it still standing? ....and where is it?


I can't remember. I recall the inside, but not the outside. There was also some push-button arrangement for the kitchen sink to control the water flow & temp. It was a real contrast w/ our old frame home.

odinthor Feb 8, 2017 7:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 7705533)
Pioneer Western photographers, Flanders and Stanton, both had Los Angeles connections although they both traveled with their cameras outside of the area. It is just an uneducated guess that Flanders may have captured the image and Stanton printed/published it. Or someone may have co-opted the image, innocently or otherwise. ;)


A source of similar images bearing "T.E. Stanton's" imprimator (Calisphere) indicates that Los Angeles was the "place of publication." See e.g., https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/tf4d5nb6c7/
T.E. Stanton is listed as a photographer at 119 N Main in the 1887-8CD. (He resided at "7 Friend Av.")

D[udley].P. Flanders, according to one source, was allegedly born in 1840 and, among other things, had a Los Angeles gallery prior to 1872 and had him as a registered voter in 1875. Evidently, he collaborated with other photographers. https://books.google.com/books?id=Nn...rapher&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Nne4L9h27RsC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=d.p.+flanders+photographer&source=bl&ots=a1N1bqEs15&sig=OS6SGRGmylzFDOiWBEF9Bk9IvAw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR4N6EjoHSAhVEjLwKHbkmCUcQ6AEIKTAF#v=onepage&q=d.p.%20flanders%20photographer&f=false

My scanty notes on Flanders are: Dudley P. Flanders; of Flanders & Godfrey’s Art and Photographic Parlor; ca. 1840, born in Massachusetts; 1865-1867, in San Francisco; 1872, 200 Main St.; 1873, present in L.A. at 205 3rd St. and 727 Main St.

Earl Boebert Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7704933)
In those days it was thought to be OK to have only one electrical outlet per room. Of course today in 2017 we require on outlet on each wall and hopefully more.

Our house in Minneapolis was built in 1906 and originally had "knob and tube" wiring for overhead lights only and no sockets, with backup gas light fixtures. There was a brass pushbutton panel in the entry hall that controlled all eight lights in the house.

My first task after purchase was to trace the wiring. When they upgraded it to conduit they just disconnected the old knob and tube and left it in place. I discovered that some idiot had reconnected a section of it in the basement to power a light, and the circuit was 110v to waterpipe (ground). Hey, if the light lights, it must be OK, right? I spent several happy weekends pulling wires.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Feb 8, 2017 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7705333)
My 1939 home also has an outlet for plugging a radio antenna into which supposedly used the house wiring as an antenna in the days before TV.

Does anyone have a picture of one of those?


Is the radio outlet something like this oldstuff?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/cd1m0C.jpg
http://www.electrical-contractor.net...io_Outlet.html

but I'm still confused how the house wiring doubled as an antenna.

HossC Feb 8, 2017 9:11 PM

I know that Azusa is outside the area we usually cover, but we have visited several times before. This Julius Shulman photoset is "Job 2883: Ben Parker, Azusa Public Library (Azusa, Calif.), 1959". A couple of these pictures appear to have been taken at twilight.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

I've left out a few exterior pictures, but I liked this one.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Here's the reception desk. I'm not sure what's on the shelves on the left.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

There's plenty of space to read.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

More shelves with unidentified objects.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

The library even had an outdoor reading area. What better place to check out 'Favorite birds of America' by John James Audubon?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

There are now a lot of trees in front of Azusa City Library at 729 N Dalton Avenue, but the exterior is recognizable. I didn't look for recent interior shots.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV


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