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John Maddox Roberts Feb 13, 2016 9:51 PM

Darn. GW beat me to it.

ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2016 9:56 PM

:previous: You gotta be fast on your feet around here JMR. :) I appreciate your help anyway.




Laurel and Hardy and Jacquie Lynn (the child) in a scene from "Pack Up your Troubles" at the front gate of Hill Grove / George H. Lewis Estate. [c.1932]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/OZKdSo.jpg
http://halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot...rge-lewis.html

GaylordWilshire Feb 13, 2016 9:57 PM

:previous:

It also appeared in Laurel & Hardy's Pack Up Your Troubles and Sabrina:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...LewisLAX17.JPG


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...LewisLAX23.JPG


Lots of pics/info here: http://halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot...rge-lewis.html

GaylordWilshire Feb 13, 2016 10:50 PM

:previous:


Not Wanger's noirish moment-- that would come later when he shot his next wife Joan Bennett's lover in the crotch (see post 2426)-- but interesting still:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 8, 1935

Lwize Feb 13, 2016 11:30 PM

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7334919)
In 2016 that $2470 would be about $24,000.

For comparative purposes, my travel agent has Around-The-World cruises on Princess, among others.

A 111-day round-trip cruise from Los Angeles starts at $20,000 for an inside cabin, up to $40,000 (and beyond) for suites.

Earl Boebert Feb 14, 2016 12:56 AM

OK, what was the sports car in the Sabrina shot. Driving me nuts :-)

Cheers,

Earl

HossC Feb 14, 2016 1:04 AM

:previous:

It's a Nash Healey.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...y.jpg~original
Wikipedia

CityBoyDoug Feb 14, 2016 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7335097)
OK, what was the sports car in the Sabrina shot. Driving me nuts :-)

Cheers,

Earl


1953 Nash-Healey Roadster I guess I was two minutes too late... Hoss, maybe next time...lol.!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps3decjv1e.jpg
sportscarsdot com

ethereal_reality Feb 14, 2016 1:49 AM

S.S. President Wilson, originally posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/Ne40sq.jpg


To the Orient on the President Wilson, 1950s

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Sp25t4.jpg
http://visualhistory.livejournal.com/124083.html




Frank Lloyd Wright's Imperial Palace Hotel
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/wwpWOR.jpg
http://visualhistory.livejournal.com/124083.html





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/nQlXBL.jpg
http://visualhistory.livejournal.com/124083.html


Check out the rest of this family's Kodachrome slides here (they're all quite wonderful)
http://visualhistory.livejournal.com/124083.html
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Here are some other President Wilson passengers that look like a $24,000 cruise wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/D3e7Vj.jpg
detail



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/O54mzG.jpg
http://visualhistory.livejournal.com/124083.html


"The American Presidents service to the Orient was operated primarily by the President Cleveland and President Wilson.
Their 1940s/50s moderne First class public rooms and pool occupied the entire Promenade deck, while Economy class had a lounge,
veranda and pool aft on the lower decks."

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ethereal_reality Feb 14, 2016 2:45 AM

I realize we've seen this same view before on NLA, but not this particular slide with the late-afternoon shadows and light.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/W1Li4V.jpg
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As most of you know, the old building on the southeast corner of 5th & Hill is the former Willoughby Hotel.
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ethereal_reality Feb 14, 2016 2:57 AM

'mystery' slide.

I should probably know what we're looking at here, but I can't place it at the moment.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/75Ce7J.jpg
eBay

Is the large building on the hillside a school?



and I'm curious to see if the building with the white cupola is still there.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/HOUobH.jpg
detail
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Mstimc Feb 14, 2016 3:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7334919)
In 2016 that $2470 would be about $24,000.

These ships were actually troop transports that morphed into civilian liners.

SS President Wilson was an American passenger ship originally ordered by the Maritime Commission (MC hull 687) during World War II, as one of the Admiral W. S. Benson-class Type P2-SE2-R1 transport ships, and intended to be named USS Admiral F.B. Upham (AP-128).
The ship was laid down on 27 November 1944 at the Bethlehem Steel shipyard in Alameda, California, but was cancelled on 16 December 1944. The ship was finally launched on 24 November 1947, completed and delivered to the Maritime Commission on 27 April 1948. Under the name SS President Wilson, she was bareboat chartered by the Maritime Commission to American President Lines.
She was sold to Oceanic Cruise Development, Inc. (C.Y. Tung Group) on 27 April 1973, and renamed Oriental Empress. Laid up at Hong Kong, the ship was eventually scrapped at Kaohsiung, Taiwan, in 1984.

Interesting, CBD. Before reading your post, I was looking at the brochure thinking it doesn't look like a typical passenger ship of the day. Those foremasts look more fit for a freighter, and passenger ships have a more pronounced rake bow to stern. The Pres. Wilson looks bulky for a cruise ship, nor very large. And you explained why!:worship:

ethereal_reality Feb 14, 2016 3:26 AM

Here are two amateur snapshots that I believe were taken in the same area.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/P9rXfr.jpg
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Even though this second photograph has a different tint I think it's the same area because we're seeing the edge of the same building (far right above, far left below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/n1zN64.jpg
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Does anyone recognize where this is?

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HenryHuntington Feb 14, 2016 5:18 AM

Does anyone recognize where this is?

I believe that this is an inbound Watts Local car turning from E. 9th St. onto San Pedro St.

HenryHuntington Feb 14, 2016 5:30 AM

I should probably know what we're looking at here, but I can't place it at the moment.

We're looking outbound on the Hollywood Freeway, with the photo apparently having been taken from the Rosemont Ave. overcrossing. Until I can make Google Maps behave, I can't help with the other questions.

CityBoyDoug Feb 14, 2016 5:31 AM

Great photos ER of old Japan and some more of Moscow 1960s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 7335187)
Interesting, CBD. Before reading your post, I was looking at the brochure thinking it doesn't look like a typical passenger ship of the day. Those foremasts look more fit for a freighter, and passenger ships have a more pronounced rake bow to stern. The Pres. Wilson looks bulky for a cruise ship, nor very large. And you explained why!:worship:

Well, its not a built specific cruise ship. Its a government troop ship to carry soldiers to foreign ports where needed in a war.

It was refurbished as a liner and used for tourists after WW II.

Yes, its not really glamorous is it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pstgog5cpu.jpg
us maritime commission

HenryHuntington Feb 14, 2016 5:56 AM

Martin Pal posted;

Okay, I'm confused:
What year is the route map from? I take Public Transit frequently and I don't recognize any of those numbers on it as bus lines on the lines I'm familiar with. (This has #42 on Sunset Blvd.? #217 has been on Fairfax Ave. as long as I can remember etc., for example. Before many lines were renumbered in the early '80's.)

It also doesn't seem to jive with this "Discontinued RTD/MTA Lines" page on wiki, which has bus line #42:

42/42A - Martin Luther King Jr., Boulevard - Stocker Street - La Tijera Boulevard
Line 42/42A was cancelled in June 2012; replaced by Lines 40, 102 and the Metro Expo Line. Line 42A was a short line route while line 42 was a regular line.

This page has all the stops listed:
http://www.lifeinus.com/Transportati...fm?RouteID=593


IIRC (without looking it up, as its getting past my bedtime), the Fairfax Ave. line was designated Line 83 by Los Angeles Motor Coach in the 1930s and remained so until the early 1980s renumbering by SCRTD. The bus stops wiki appears to have been based on the post-renumbering line designations. Best I can do for now.

HenryHuntington Feb 14, 2016 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7334874)
I'm not sure, but it looks like this 1950s 'bus slide' was taken on the roof of a parking garage.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/k8l1Ql.jpg
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:previous: I spy the top of the Eastern Building.



Do you see the garage anywhere? ;)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/NbfiA9.jpg
http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot...city-city-view



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/nhYDGz.jpg
http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot...er-los-angeles

:previous: I don't believe I've ever seen this angle before. What a strange pinnacle. I'm surprised no one has filmed a movie scene in that mysterious open space.

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Work with me here, I might well have made a mistake in triangulation...

Our other clue is that the Norton Building (601-07 S. Broadway) appears at the left of the first photo, so I think we'd have to be looking due east on 6th St. (from the north side of the street) to get the Eastern Columbia building to be on our right. We have to be on the north side of 6th St. to get the viewing angle of the Norton Building to expose the west wall with the signage, presumably facing Lindley Pl. and the rear of the Los Angeles Theater.

Except that...

- The west wall of the Norton Building doesn't look to me as though it has the correct height or window placement to accommodate the signage we see; and

- I think our viewpoint would have to be the top of the Pacific Mutual Building, because Pershing Square takes up the block between Hill and Olive Sts.; and

- A quick check on Google Earth suggests that the only rooftop parking in the neighborhood is at 625 S. Hill St., but the garage is much too new and the viewing angle is toward St. Vincent Ct. instead of 6th St.; and

- Finally, the extant buildings on the south side of 6th St. (between us and the Norton Building signs) don't seem to resemble the ones in the photograph.

Not sure what I'm missing, but it must be a lot!

unihikid Feb 14, 2016 8:44 AM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7335180]'mystery' slide.

I should probably know what we're looking at here, but I can't place it at the moment.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/75Ce7J.jpg
eBay

Is the large building on the hillside a school?



No ER that's the old scout house 2333 Scout Way! they tore down the building in about 06...I own the phone booth that was in it...It cost me 5 bucks plus 350 in shipping it out to Dallas.

HossC Feb 14, 2016 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7334874)

I'm not sure, but it looks like this 1950s 'bus slide' was taken on the roof of a parking garage.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/k8l1Ql.jpg
eBay

:previous: I spy the top of the Eastern Building.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7335329)

Work with me here, I might well have made a mistake in triangulation...

Our other clue is that the Norton Building (601-07 S. Broadway) appears at the left of the first photo, so I think we'd have to be looking due east on 6th St. (from the north side of the street) to get the Eastern Columbia building to be on our right. We have to be on the north side of 6th St. to get the viewing angle of the Norton Building to expose the west wall with the signage, presumably facing Lindley Pl. and the rear of the Los Angeles Theater.

Except that...

- The west wall of the Norton Building doesn't look to me as though it has the correct height or window placement to accommodate the signage we see; and

- I think our viewpoint would have to be the top of the Pacific Mutual Building, because Pershing Square takes up the block between Hill and Olive Sts.; and

- A quick check on Google Earth suggests that the only rooftop parking in the neighborhood is at 625 S. Hill St., but the garage is much too new and the viewing angle is toward St. Vincent Ct. instead of 6th St.; and

- Finally, the extant buildings on the south side of 6th St. (between us and the Norton Building signs) don't seem to resemble the ones in the photograph.

Not sure what I'm missing, but it must be a lot!

The photo was taken from the small rooftop bus terminus behind the Pacific Electric Building. The image below is dated 1960.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Here's my attempt at recreating e_r's picture with Google Earth.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Google Earth

HenryHuntington, while the Norton Building is at 601-607 S Broadway, the sign in e_r's picture is on the roof of 757 S Los Angeles Street. It's across the street from the Cornell Buildings.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

The bus terminus in e_r's picture is long gone, but you could get the same view from the roof of the bus station which replaced it. This picture was posted by e_r a few days ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7327561)

And here's the downtown bus station.

[1970s?]
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/jSOCJv.jpg
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