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ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2014 9:18 PM

We've discussed and seen the Engstrum on NLA many times, but I don't believe we've seen this brochure before.

The seller didn't include any photos of the inside of the brochure.
...but it's still for sale if anyone's interested. ;)


Godzilla Nov 11, 2014 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5930251)
A little history of the northeast corner of 3rd and La Brea...

According to the Westdale Homeowners' Association,

"At Barrington and National was Paul J. Howard's Flowerland Nursery. It was a huge and beautiful nursery. Mr. Howard had moved his nursery from 3rd and La Brea to this location as he felt there was a great future here in the outskirts of Los Angeles.... 'Colonial Corners' was the name given to the intersection of National and Barrington when Howard's Nursery started in 1940.

Meanwhile, back at 3rd and La Brea... after Howard's nursey decamped, it sounds like there might have been some temporary uses during the war and postwar years such as a "public hiring hall" in 1949. And then...

Which was taken over by Irv White, who owned Beverly Buick (see

Which, as we've seen, gave way to the bigger Ralphs...

1940 - "Flowerland" opening celebration.

1933 RR

MichaelRyerson Nov 11, 2014 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6802592)
:previous: Good eye in catching that surviving zig-zag detail on Catalina Street HossC.

Here's a nicely scanned sepia postcard of the corner of Wilshire and Fairfax. (maybe we've seen a smaller version of it)

The Cresta Blanca sign seems to have had a nice run. northeast across Fairfax and Wilshire Boulevard, ca.1950

Great, busy view of the intersection. Simon's Sandwiches bottom left, May Company and the annex (low, white building beyond May Co.). Cresta Blanca sign and a really nice array of cars and the Studebaker tells me we're flirting with 1950.

detail from a Whittington aerial.

Godzilla Nov 11, 2014 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6328052)
Interesting wheels on what appears to be a "T" in the center of the photo. Stamped steel - after-market faux spokes? Available at George Pepperdine's Western Auto?

Moran and McMenamy. An alternate source for upgrades?

Coo Coo Horn!

1929 - 1424 South Main Street

HossC Nov 11, 2014 11:32 PM


According to, the building currently at 1424 S Main dates from 1908, so that means it's the old Moran and McMenamy garage.

HossC Nov 11, 2014 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6803612)

Impressive postcard of the YMCA in Pasadena.

Fantastic peaked gable/roof on the right. I don't think I've ever seen one so pointy. ouch!
Does anyone know where this was located in Pasadena?
(maybe we've discussed it before...but I certainly don't remember this rather unique building)

According to the October 4, 1910 edition of the Los Angeles Herald, the YMCA building in Pasadena was at Raymond Avenue and Ramona Street.
I found this clipping through a great article on It has the story below, and several other clippings from old newspapers
relating to the fundraising.
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Here's another postcard of the building.

It doesn't look like Raymond Avenue and Ramona Street actually intersect anymore (if they ever did). The location would be near Pasadena's Memorial
Park, so the YMCA building would have been a near neighbor of the old public library written about by sopas ej back in post #4465. The postcard
below shows the YMCA's building at 235 E Holly Street, which is about a block away from Raymond Avenue, and backs onto Ramona Street. It's dated
by the seller as 1950s. I've been trying to work out when it replaced the building above. A 1987 article in the LA Times discusses the proposed closure
of this facility, and describes it as a "76-year-old building", which would date it as one year younger than the building above. Maybe they meant that
a YMCA building had been there that long.

This building's still there, although it's lost the balconies on the right.

so-cal-bear Nov 11, 2014 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6802973)
Agree, CityBoyDoug, this is a great find HossC.

I was going to mention it before and quote this same photo, but I didn't.
But I have to chime in since CBD also expressed my same sentiment.

This photo is just of a staircase, floors, walls and a clock, but how beautiful it is. It makes me wonder if indeed "the interior has survived better than the exterior."

I'd love to see the interior; wondering what colors it is, too.

I was going to comment on this beautiful staircase too, but I thought that my comment 5 hours before would sound mean spirited. Here it goes, what I wanted to say. Maybe people in the 1930's had more common since and there were no ambulance-chasing personal injury lawyers around. Larry, I'm talking to you. I have seen your TV commercials since 1981 on LA TV

Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 1:37 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6141445)
This is the first advertisement that I've found for the Crescent Heights tract.

Los Angeles Herald 1905
google aerial

Notice several street name changes. Hays Ave. has become Havenhurst Dr.
May Ave. has become Hayworth Ave. Crescent Ave. has become Fairfax Ave.


1941 - Norton Ave meets North Harper.

A quiet and sedate neighborhood at the cusp of a multi-family-dwelling building boom.

1941 - Norton Ave (I reckon we are looking south at Chapman's Ice Cream, 8246 Santa Monica Blvd, per '42CD. Yes, the building with the scalloped front entrance is still there. Make mine French vanilla topped with walnuts)

C. King Nov 12, 2014 1:49 AM


Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6803919)

This building's still there, although it's lost the balconies on the right.

I lived in this building for a couple of yrs. In fact, my room was the set of windows that are 2 floors below what would have been the center balcony. Very hot during the summers, due to the west face and they boarded up the transom window above each unit's door. Very spartan in amenities. It has/had a community kitchen and bathroom/shower rooms on each floor. Moved out when it went Section 8. I do remember seeing the cornerstone on the front left corner of the place, I want to say it was laid in the mid '20s to early '30s. The pool is still visible through the basement windows along the front. Although, it is covered, for safety reasons. The steps that are barely visible on the left were removed, and the doors that they lead up to, was the "Boys Entrance". It was and may still be called "Centennial Place".

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 2:12 AM

:previous: Thanks for your additional information C. King / and for your excellent research HossC. It's much appreciated.

Oh, and thanks for explaining that double round-house Wig-Wag (aka Jack).
I was really curious about that.

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 2:30 AM

The House of Payne at 2015 W. Sixth Street.

I've never heard of the House of Payne before today.

...and the building still stands!


ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 4:53 PM

I found this cabinet card a month or so ago on ebay and have been trying to figure out the location ever since.

"Birds Eye View L.A. Look South A.J.W. Housh"


ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 4:59 PM

A rare glimpse inside the kitchen at the downtown Bullock's. 1910s? 1920s?

ConstructDTLA Nov 12, 2014 6:43 PM

5th & Olive 1914 vs Now:

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 6:51 PM

:previous: So sad. :(

Are there any plans to develop the former site of the Auditorium? It's been a parking lot for decades. (it's such a prime location facing Pershing Square and all)

A few days ago Martin_Pal posted some interesting images of the NBC Color Studios in Burbank.

I thought I'd add this one to the group.


ConstructDTLA Nov 12, 2014 7:00 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6804846)
:previous: So sad. :(

Are there any plans to develop the former site of the Auditorium? It's been a parking lot for decades.

Yes there are, though they aren't as great as they should be:

Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 8:03 PM

Got pipes?

The California National Supply Company.

~1920 - 147-149 North Los Angeles Street (Van Etten for Superior Court)

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 8:04 PM

Transit 'loop' / 1950s
old file

Post Office annex in the background on the left. -gas-0-meter at right.

Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 8:14 PM


Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6553634)
The NBC Studios on Sunset & Vine, as well as the Sunset & Vine area, has been featured in many posts on NLA.

Here’s the building looking west from Sunset Boulevard and Argyle Avenue (c. 1942):

Here’s a photo at the corner edge of NBC looking northwest up Vine Street. The shops in the center across the street from left to right include: part of the Tropics restaurant, the Globe Investment Company (1529 Vine Street), the Health Spot Shoe Shop (1531 Vine Street), the Travelknit Shop (1533 Vine Street), Ambassador Florists Inc. (1535 Vine Street) and the Hollywood Recreation Center Bowling Alley (1539 Vine Street). (c.1939):

Here’s a look down the rest of Vine to Sunset, starting from the “parking sign” in the photo above. You can see the full “Tropics” on Vine across the street:

More Music City?

Undated - Sunset and Vine

HossC Nov 12, 2014 8:21 PM

Godzilla posted this picture of Vermont Avenue and Hollywood Boulevard yesterday in post #24577 - I thought it deserved to have the blemishes removed.
USC Digital Library

The property websites give a build date of 1976 for 4759 Hollywood Boulevard, but I think that must refer to the structure at the rear. I found this undated picture of the old Medical Arts Building which gives a build date of 1926 and says that the architect was Raphael A. Nicolais.

It looks better with the signage removed, although I'm undecided on the current color scheme.

The USC picture at the top was originally posted by TheGriz in post #1111. The post includes the following:

Looks like you can see Barnsdall Art Park (may have still been known as "Olive Hill" then) in the background; is this the side facing Hollywood blvd? It kind of looks like where the gates/parking lot are now. If that's correct, then the building in the photo isn't there anymore, but the foundations still are.

The building in the photo is still there. The maps I've found simply refer to it as Residence "A".
Google Maps

Just for fun, I thought I'd show how Barnsdall Park had changed over the years. In 1948, it still occupied the whole block. The main entrance appears to have been at the northeast corner, just out of shot on the 1937 USC picture above.
Historic Aerials

The area on the eastern side of the block had already been cleared by 1952, but the aerial image is a bit blurry. By 1954, two large buildings and a parking lot had been constructed there.
Historic Aerials

By 1972, the park had been reduced to its current size. Some of the perimeter buildings have changed since then, but the layout is roughly the same, including the new entrance on the north side.
Historic Aerials

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