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ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 1:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7093932)

I second the motion, NCD, thanks for sharing the photos and family intrigue!

I third the motion! Thx for sharing your personal photographs NoirCityDame.

rbpjr

Jul 14, 2015 1:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7084506)

Downtown Los Angeles, 1940s

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/YKKnpP.jpg
eBay

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This is the downtown L.A. that I remember...bustling, possibly noon time crowds...a lot of energy...1947-1952...

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 2:12 AM

:previous: It's like a completely different city isn't it.

I believe things are looking up though. There's a lot of construction and retrofitting going on downtown.
__________

Earl, thanks for the screen-grabs from an episode of 'Cannon' (1971). I really liked your tongue-in-cheek commentary.

I tried to find the various locations you posted.....but I struck out on all of them.

I thought I knew where this was....but I was mistaken.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/0eNu3M.jpg
Cannon episode / 1971

I thought it was along a stretch of Riverside Drive.
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rbpjr

Jul 14, 2015 2:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 7085435)

The biggest DJ for KFWB was Al Jarvis, another was Joe Yoakum and the only other one I remember was Gene Weed. I was in Jr. High at that time. Bill Balance and BMR were my favorites.

I remember Al Jarvis as well...his program was called something with "Ballroom" in the title...his girl Friday was none other than Betty White, of Golden Girls fame...

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 2:38 AM

:previous: Was it "Make Believe Ballroom" rbpjr?

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 2:44 AM

Another fine Kodachrome slide from the 1940s.

The Medical Building (?) and a Don Martin School of Radio at 'Crossroads Of The World'.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/QswI3Q.jpg
eBay

:previous: The nice looking lady in the photograph reminded me of Secretary Jane Yaeger (below).

posted a few days ago by NoirCityDame
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...910/UQauX1.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29641

John Maddox Roberts

Jul 14, 2015 4:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7094180)

;)

Thanks ER for posting this grand exposition. It gave me some food for thought!

Its very easy for me to see why this mural didn't really sit well with the cultural mores of the 1930s. Its the central figure that goes over the edge
and sits squarely in the realm of what is called today ...soft core porn.

His ''proportions'' are wildly off key and for some reason... just plain kinky.

Its one thing to be classically nude and its another to be in your face as this fellow appears to be. It doesn't bother me but I can see why a lot of 1930s people would say..."I don't think so."

The various symbolisms scattered throughout the saga are harmless and excruciatingly vague. Even the pendulous breasts eagerly echo the Daliesque women of that era. But its that precursor of a
Speedo that leaps at you, as if to assault, and wants to collide with your face.

Now, if the artist wanted to achieve the effect I describe above....he achieved it in spades.:tup:

I didn't know the Underground Comix artists went back that far. This could have been done by s. Clay Wilson.

Noircitydame

Jul 14, 2015 4:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7093009)

http://waterandpower.org/Historical%...Bonds_1944.jpg Table Magazine: L.A. Observatory

One or both of these may have been posted before.

Spotlights abound at a War Bonds event at the Hollywood Bowl.
On June 14th, 1944, radio actors and actresses performed at the
Hollywood Bowl during a war bond program. CBS broadcast the
event live.

http://waterandpower.org/Historical%..._War_Bonds.jpg LAPL Image Archive

They're wonderful photos. I realized Water & Power made a typo in listing the date for this event; it was held July 4, 1944. It was the LA/Hollywood "backing the Fifth on the Fourth" rally in support of the national 5th War Loan drive. An audience of 20k made the evening a huge success. Bing Crosby and Ginny Simms were two of the radio stars who performed.

A special guest of honor was Army Air Corps ace of aces, war Maj. Richard I. Bong. At the time he'd shot down 27 enemy planes in the Pacific and was doing this war bond tour. He probably could have had a cushy stateside job, but returned to the combat zone to fly more missions.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...bing7-3-44.jpg from LAT, a sponsor of the rally, 7-3-44

Once he got to 40 victories, he was retired from combat whether he liked it or not. Gen MacArthur presented him with the Medal of Honor, and he had the DSC, Silver Star, and at least 20 other decorations. In Feb 1945 he married his sweetheart Marjorie (Marge), who had become almost as famous as he was because of her photo on his P-38, which he named Marge.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...dick_marge.jpg
source

The newlyweds honeymooned in Hollywood then settled there as Dick's new assignment was being a millitary test pilot at Lockheed. The story ends sadly, though, as he was killed August 6, 1945 while testing a P-80 "shooting star" over N. Hollywood. Witnesses described how he guided the plane away from homes, before trying to eject, too late.

Here he is with Beryl Wallace in 1943, from a 1945 Earl Carroll program. It's discussing the Hollywood Guild Canteen-sponsored dances at Earl Carroll's on Sunday afternoons. The photo below shows one of the dances (look at all those sailors!) A great man, who like Audie Murphy, died too young.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...elle/guild.jpg
own collection

CityBoyDoug

Jul 14, 2015 4:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7094348)

I didn't know the Underground Comix artists went back that far. This could have been done by s. Clay Wilson.

John Maddox Roberts....I have to agree with you. That mural is definitely in the mood and style of S. Clay Wilson.

The seed of that unrestrained style evidently started very early.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Clay_Wilson

[CBD reply....Ref: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29702

Thanks ER for posting this grand exposition. It gave me some food for thought!

Its very easy for me to see why this mural didn't really sit well with the cultural mores of the 1930s. Its the central figure that goes over the edge
and sits squarely in the realm of what is called today ...soft core porn.

His ''proportions'' are wildly off key and for some reason... just plain kinky.

Its one thing to be classically nude and its another to be in your face as this fellow appears to be. It doesn't bother me but I can see why a lot of 1930s people would say..."I don't think so."

The various symbolisms scattered throughout the saga are harmless and excruciatingly vague. Even the pendulous breasts eagerly echo the Daliesque women of that era. But its that precursor of a
Speedo that leaps at you, as if to assault, and wants to collide with your face.

Now, if the artist wanted to achieve the effect I describe above....he achieved it in spades.]

CityBoyDoug

Jul 14, 2015 4:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7094269)

:previous: Was it "Make Believe Ballroom" rbpjr?

Al Jarvis was a LA Radio legend. He was one of the first to play records on LA radio.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0419028/bio

Here's his theme song "Make Believe Ballroom"..by Glenn Miller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67UhyDqvJss

Al Jarvis ...1959
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psry82k0hu.jpg
http://classicdjradioscrapbook.blogs...rvis-1959.html

Noircitydame

Jul 14, 2015 4:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7094196)

I third the motion! Thx for sharing your personal photographs NoirCityDame.

I just wish I had more of them!

Wig-Wag

Jul 14, 2015 5:08 AM

Rock Climber

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7093529)

Thanks tovanger2 and oldstuff for the information on the old telephone co. garage on Daly Street.

This is my favorite. Amazing
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/0fz9tA.jpg
http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz0025gn14

:previous: Can anyone read the name of the hotel?

*never mind. I just realized I could enlarge the photograph further.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/Qhs8sv.jpg

And there's a train I didn't see before.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/AQNMTN.jpg

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Great stuff, ER.

That lady did a nice job of rock climbing in that coat and those shoes!

Based on the address of the hotel, the coach and gondola in the background should be on at the extreme southern end of Southern Pacific's Taylor yard on the east bank of the Los Angeles River, about where today's Metrolink shop facility resides. Present day Google satellite images show an abandoned section of right of way on the very edge of the riverbank and the two visible cars are quite ancient. The hopper appears to be of steel construction mounted on a steel frame flatcar, while the passenger car is of wood wood construction. The letters SP can clearly be discerned while the letters below appear to read MW suggesting railway maintenance of way equipment. Amazingly, equipment of this type survive into the early 1960's!

Cheers,
Jack

Noircitydame

Jul 14, 2015 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7094061)

:previous:
Thanks, tovangar2, it dawned on me after I'd made the inquiry it might be a camera!
___

There's been a dozen or two posts showing incarnations of Carpenter's Drive-In's.

HossC's post #17962 has photo's of Carpenter's Drive-In and links to some other posts of the same.

Segments from the above post:

Nighttime view of Carpenter’s Sandwich at the S/E corner Sunset and Vine. 1940's.
http://waterandpower.org/4%20Histori...e_In_1940s.jpg DWP

What caught my eye is this:

This Carpenter's Drive-In replaced the one located near the northeast corner of Sunset and Vine (6265 Sunset Blvd),
which was torn down in 1938 to make room for the new NBC Radio City building.

I looked through most all of the posts on NLA concerning this Carpenter's at Sunset and Vine and I don't
think it's clear that we 1.) knew the Drive-In was remodeled (rebuilt) because it moved across the street
to make way for the NBC Building that was being constructed, or 2.) that there were two Carpenter's for
awhile across the street from each other.

At least I didn't know that.

The info that HossC posted: "The 1936 CD lists [Carpenter's] at 6285 and 6290 Sunset Blvd." indicates
two locations, then, maybe they did have one on both corners for a time? (And the info I posted says
the address was "6265", slightly off the CD list.)

And speaking of the NBC Radio City building being constructed, I have no idea what this was originally
published in, but I found this link to a three page 1938 article titled "Is Radio Moving to Hollywood?" and
it's about the NBC building construction and the possibility of radio moving to L.A. from N.Y and what
will Hollywood do? There's a few photos and some tidbits like: "The construction was delayed by the
recent floods." (1938.)

http://www.durenberger.com/resources...LYWOOD0638.pdf

Great info Martin, thank you. I always had a question mark about that corner business and the drive in(s) location(s).

LAPL has this shot of NBC under construction, which they date to 1938.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...ion%20lapl.jpg
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012888.jpg
It does seem like the construction took a long time, for those days: the groundbreaking took place 1-20-38 and the dedication was held 10-17-38. CBS took even longer with Radio Square: its groundbreaking was 4-27-37 and the dedication on 4-30-38.

tovangar2

Jul 14, 2015 7:50 AM

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7093779)

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935.

Does anyone know...is there a repository for WPA artwork? I'd really like to know if "Youth Arisen" has survived.

e_r, I emailed the Living New Deal and the GSA's WPA Art Inventory Project re the mural. I'll let you know if I hear back.

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...01301%2BPM.jpg
archive.org (<--- zoomable at the link)
(per oldstuff)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...21058%2BAM.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...02432%2BPM.jpg
ucla/los angeles daily news negatives
(per e_r)

Tourmaline

Jul 14, 2015 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7094372)

They're wonderful photos. I realized Water & Power made a typo in listing the date for this event; it was held July 4, 1944. It was the LA/Hollywood "backing the Fifth on the Fourth" rally in support of the national 5th War Loan drive. An audience of 20k made the evening a huge success. Bing Crosby and Ginny Simms were two of the radio stars who performed.

A special guest of honor was Army Air Corps ace of aces, war Maj. Richard I. Bong. At the time he'd shot down 27 enemy planes in the Pacific and was doing this war bond tour. He probably could have had a cushy stateside job, but returned to the combat zone to fly more missions.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...bing7-3-44.jpg from LAT, a sponsor of the rally, 7-3-44

Once he got to 40 victories, he was retired from combat whether he liked it or not. Gen MacArthur presented him with the Medal of Honor, and he had the DSC, Silver Star, and at least 20 other decorations. In Feb 1945 he married his sweetheart Marjorie (Marge), who had become almost as famous as he was because of her photo on his P-38, which he named Marge.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...dick_marge.jpg
source

The newlyweds honeymooned in Hollywood then settled there as Dick's new assignment was being a millitary test pilot at Lockheed. The story ends sadly, though, as he was killed August 6, 1945 while testing a P-80 "shooting star" over N. Hollywood. Witnesses described how he guided the plane away from homes, before trying to eject, too late.

http://discussions.mnhs.org/collecti...879872383e.jpg http://discussions.mnhs.org/collecti...879872383e.jpg

Epilogue

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-co...e-the-fold.jpg http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/...s-last-flight/

Tourmaline

Jul 14, 2015 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6977931)

Little Marjorie Belcher (born 1919), is the child in the 1930 photo,. She became famous as Marge Champion.
She began teaching at her father's school when she was twelve. She's 95 now:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...21415%2BAM.jpg
broadwayworld

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...21750%2BAM.jpg
uscdl

Marge Champion gave a wonderful series of video interviews in 1998. In the first one she recalls that Cecil B DeMille built the school for her father. Well worth watching.

Ms Champion interview for the New York Sun:
"He had a very large school as I was growing up - first in downtown Los Angeles, then on Western Avenue. C.B. DeMille built the new building for my father and gave him a 99-year lease. I have a picture of myself at age 11 with C.B. at the dedication, with my foot on the spade. The building is still there, and on the top floor is a ballroom studio that my father designed. The first two floors of that school are where I grew up."

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...80450%2BAM.jpg
uscdl

Maria Tallchief recalls the Belcher Studio in her 1997 autobiography

"We reached Los Angeles after an overnight stay with Mother's relatives in San Diego. Without knowing where we would settle, we just drove on. In the Wilshire District Daddy stopped for gas. Marjorie and I were restless and hungry, so Mother took us to the local drugstore. We ordered hamburgers and soda pop at the fountain, and we sat on red-leather stools while waiting for them to be served. Mother asked the druggist if he knew a good dancing school in the neighborhood.

"Yes, I do," the man told us. "Ernest Belcher's."

. . . . .

Mr. Belcher was a family man, and sometimes in class his daughter Marge would study with us. She was a beautiful, friendly young girl, and I liked her. When she grew up, she and her husband, Gower Champion, became film stars."

More of little Marge:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...32_306x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...32_306x423.jpg

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopo...49/marge1c.jpg http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopo...49/marge1c.jpg

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7094455)

e_r, I emailed the Living New Deal and the GSA's WPA Art Inventory Project re the mural. I'll let you know if I hear back.

That's great. thanks t2.

Martin Pal

Jul 14, 2015 4:31 PM

:previous:

Regarding this mural, does anyone have a photo of the entire mural? We've been looking
at the "middle panel" and I wondered what the other two panels looked like.

[And in the "HERE I GO AGAIN" department, the topic of murals of this era leads me to
mentioning the NBC Radio City mural and if any color photos of it can be located. Somehow
I feel if I keep putting it out there, it will appear somehow. Heh!]
___

NoirCityDame, thanks for that photo of the Hollywood Guild and Canteen dance at
Earl Caroll's. I knew donations were taken at Earl Carroll's for the Guild, but I didn't know
about the Sunday dances!
___

Earl, I liked the Cannon screengrabs, too, but no luck with locations.
The motel certainly looked like a stetch of Ventura Blvd. in Studio City, but I
wasn't able to locate anything there.
___

E_R -- another great Kodachrome slide -- drool...:yes:

Martin Pal

Jul 14, 2015 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 70943)

I realized Water & Power made a typo in listing the date for this event; it was held July 4, 1944. It was the LA/Hollywood "backing the Fifth on the Fourth" rally in support of the national 5th War Loan drive. An audience of 20k made the evening a huge success. Bing Crosby and Ginny Simms were two of the radio stars who performed.

That date of June 14, 1944, did seem plausible as that's Flag Day.
That's a clever slogan, backing the Fifth on the Fourth!
___

Since you liked that photo, here's a slightly different one of the same thing,
with a few different people in it.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00091/00091136.jpg LAPL

W&P got their info from LAPL so I don't know how LAPL arrived at the June 14th date.
It's from the Lucille Stewart Collection, maybe it's her doings, lol!

tovangar2

Jul 14, 2015 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7094504)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...32_306x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...32_306x423.jpg

Thank you Tourmaline. That's Marge Belcher Champion in costume for Disney's "Snow White" (1937).

She tells a bit about her involvement in the animated film, as the movement model for the Disney artists to draw, in a less-than-2-minute clip here

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...14318%2BAM.jpg
observer.com

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...20544%2BPM.jpg
disney

Marge Champion was, and is, a knockout:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...22255%2BPM.jpg
life

The Belcher School, 607 S Western in 1933:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6977570)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ern&DMROTATE=0 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ern&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ern&DMROTATE=0 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ern&DMROTATE=0 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/61061/rec/18

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7094805)

E_R -- another great Kodachrome slide -- drool...:yes:

Martin_Pal, here's another. :)

North Main Street showing, from left to right, the Pico House...the Merced Theater...the Masonic Building and several other buildings.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/NUbrAL.jpg
eBay

:previous: note the huge white sign advertising SIGNS on the side of the Merced Theater building.

As most of you know, it's visible in many vintage aerials of the area.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/kEXvHk.jpg

So, everything to the right of this red line is long gone. (there's already a parking lot in the black & white aerial above)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/ETeSEp.jpg
eBay

Contemporary view looking northeast from Arcadia Street.

2009 I believe.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/ypRa8q.jpg
gsv

and a bit closer. (the trees have grown and now block the view of the Pico House :() -or maybe it's the low angle of the google_camera
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/FvyZbn.jpg
gsv

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As a reminder, here is the Pico House, The Merced Theater and the Masonic Building back in the 1870s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/rnB5Yy.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...20(1800s).html

ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 7:29 PM

ok, just for fun, I decided to enlarge the slide. I was trying to see the magazine covers on that board.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...912/aTmrVd.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...913/0xfPiH.jpg
eBay

:previous: note the long silver vent running up the entire length of the Merced Theater building. -pitiful.

Hmmm...is that Robert Benchley in the suit and tie? ;)

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ethereal_reality

Jul 14, 2015 7:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7094805)

Regarding this mural, does anyone have a photo of the entire mural? We've been looking
at the "middle panel" and I wondered what the other two panels looked like.

I'm really curious about the other two panels as well M_P.
Remember, the Wiggins School kept them in place four years longer than the controversial center panel. Surely there's a photograph of them somewhere.
__

tovangar2

Jul 14, 2015 8:23 PM

Masonic Hall / North Main St

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7095067)

Just to add to your "thens and now":

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6107642)

This is an amazing photograph, especially if the date is correct.

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/9048/aablosangeles1860.jpg
old cd of mine/ possibly ebay
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tovangar2

Jul 14, 2015 9:01 PM

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7095113)

The heads near Youth's knees may represent the Aztec and Toltec cultures, which were said to be contrasted in the side panels.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6...14704%2BPM.jpg
e_r (detail)

These days, Katz' references seem obscure (to me anyway). Maybe they were obvious in 1935.

P.S. The Living New Deal was very excited about "your" mural e_r, but they know nothing, except the info you and oldstuff found, which I'd sent along to them.

Martin Pal

Jul 14, 2015 10:01 PM

This was a two car automobile accident injuring three people; 1987.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00094/00094994.jpgPaul Chin/LAPL

But, I'm posting it because I thought the house was quite interesting.

The address is 6330 W. Olympic Blvd. at Crescent Heights.

tovangar2

Jul 14, 2015 10:40 PM

:previous:

I guess the homeowners can't be blamed for putting up the post and chain barrier:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f...32818%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Lots of texture on that house:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...33623%2BPM.jpg
gsv

I hope that poor guy in your photo was OK...

--------------------------------------------------------

P.S. Thx Martin for unraveling the Carpenter's Drive-in addresses

Tourmaline

Jul 14, 2015 10:48 PM

Tourmaline

Jul 14, 2015 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5620935)

Well, by pure luck the identity of this street has turned up. A while back I guessed a block over, on Alexandria, and I was pretty close. Prompted by e_r's post of the intriguing Evanston on Kenmore prompted me to look for more pictures of it. Among the shots that didn't turn up at first when searching the name "Kenmore" at the LAPL was this:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520PM.bmp.jpg

So I clicked on the little "void" icon, and there was the picture...and it seems that the library has updated its description since rcarlton posted the pic:

"A car travels south on palm-lined South Kenmore Avenue, approaching Sixth Street, in Hancock Park. On the left are apartment buildings at 537 S. Kenmore and 531 S. Kenmore, and on the right is a building at 530 S. Kenmore."

(OK, I hate to be a total nerd, but who's going to tell the LAPL that Kenmore is many blocks east of Hancock Park...?)

Anyway, there's your street, rcarlton & Illithit Dude... and it turns out that all three of the nearest buildings in the vntage shot are still there:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle

CityBoyDoug

Jul 14, 2015 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7095113)

ER....I looked for the side panels...so far can't find them.

Also, I've painted murals and posters since I was in the 5th grade. Mr. Katz needs some help to clarify his ideas. That mural contains so many strange and obdurate elements, I really can't make sense of it. Maybe it made sense to him in 1935 but even then the locals found it ''ghastly, horrible and grotesque".

As I said before...that ''Speedo" really dominates the entire scene [worn by the youth with NO hands{?}.]!

Tourmaline

Jul 15, 2015 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4574473)

Union Stage Depot located at 5th Street & Los Angeles Street in 1932.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5...agedepot5t.jpg
usc digital archive

I'm not familiar with this depot....anyone know the details?
What is a 'stage' depot?

rbpjr

Jul 15, 2015 12:20 AM

Young sailor...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 7089095)

That kid on the left with the curly hair looks like he's only 16 or 17 years old.

I was only seventeen when I joined the Navy...my buddies referred to me as the "kid"...but were protective and I always felt accepted...and I also had/have curly hair...

rbpjr

Jul 15, 2015 12:31 AM

[QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;7089210]"I see no reason why not"

As the moderator, would you be so kind as to post a complete list of thread rules?

Lighten up.

OK boys...take it outside...

Tourmaline

Jul 15, 2015 1:24 AM

John Maddox Roberts

Jul 15, 2015 1:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7095067)

The 2009 picture is especially poignant. Note the homeless peoples' belongings in the foreground, including the now-iconic shopping cart piled with things in plastic garbage bags. Did the photographer ask the people to step outside the frame when he shot? Especially strange on a street named for the Edenic Arcadia of ancient Greek poetry. Ah, well, "et in Arcadia Ego."

Tourmaline

Jul 15, 2015 1:56 AM

Tourmaline

Jul 15, 2015 2:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7069798)

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e_edited-1.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm17506365...f_=nm_phs_md_4

Joe E. Brown (here with his wife c. 1951, so he was 59-ish here). Plus by anything I’ve read, a genuinely nice guy.

Jerry/Daphne could do worse. :)

John Maddox Roberts

Jul 15, 2015 4:17 AM

Wow, that picture of Brown with his wife. He was around 60 or thereabouts and look how well he's built! We use comedy terms like "pratfall" and "physical comedy" and never think how athletic these men had to be to pull off those stunts that look so effortless.

CityBoyDoug

Jul 15, 2015 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7095640)

Unlike most male movie people of that era, Joe E. Brown, Charlie Chaplin and Douglas Fairbanks Jr. were in top physical condition.

Today in 2015 the ''buff'' look is ''in''. In 1930 it wasn't.

CityBoyDoug

Jul 15, 2015 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7095542)

Several images of Joe E. Brown. Source also mentions McDonald Dootson Tire Co., Burbank 1931.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/15846/rec/99

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...own&DMROTATE=0 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...own&DMROTATE=0

I believe this car is a gorgeous Model J Duesenberg later owned by Howard Hughes. This ID is thanks to one of the readers of this Forum.!

History of this car is here:

http://www.rmauctions.com/am13/ameli...derham/1057612

Noircitydame

Jul 15, 2015 5:23 AM

Richard Kline

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7095663)

Unlike most male movie people of that era, Joe E. Brown, Charlie Chaplin and Douglas Fairbanks Jr. were in top physical condition.

Today in 2015 the ''buff'' look is ''in''. In 1930 it wasn't.

If they needed help in that area, there were people like Paramount’s fitness instructor to the stars Richard Kline!
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...rdbarbells.jpg Ebay (one of several)

According to a 1940 newspaper profile, he’d formerly been a strongman in a Chautauqua circus, then from 1925-1927 held open air beach fitness classes in Atlantic City. A “top movie executive” discovered him there and brought him out to Hollywood where he was Paramount’s physical director from 1927 to 1939.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...in45intc45.jpg

In the late ‘30s he was also doing endorsements like these for Sportsways products (later Healthways Hollywood), like the Stretch to Health
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...estretcher.jpg box for a Stretch to Health.

Ebay

I used to come across these things at flea markets and antique shops fairly often- always looking suspiciously unused and new in the box.
Just think, fellows, if you stick with it and really apply yourself, after six weeks, you too could have a physique like Der Bingle.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...c16ed1bcd6.jpg

This is what the dingus actually looks like.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...althdingus.jpg (Like the Hollywood Wolf Whistle, another fine product no longer proudly made in L.A.)

By 1940, Kline had left the studio and was operating his own bodybuilding business, at 5750 Hollywood Blvd.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/1-5-41.jpg LAT 1-5-41. http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...le/1-18-42.jpg 1-18-42

The last ad I found for him at 5750 was 1942. Richard was still around though, and from 1945-48 at least still representing Hollywood Healthways.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...wallcharts.jpg1945.
Chart: http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...schart45_2.jpg
Ebay (one of several)

As for 5750 Hollywood Blvd., after Richard, it seems to have been everything from a real estate office to a blueprint supplier. In 1954 you could get your kid a burro there from “Prospector Jack” or “Ranger Mack.”
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...4burro5750.jpg LAT 12-9-54

ProphetM

Jul 15, 2015 6:14 AM

Kicks on 66?

I don't know why I missed this post from back in April but I did. And there is a mystery to be solved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6977761)

Every source that I am aware of says that Route 66 was not extended from downtown LA to Santa Monica until 1936, and yet here are photos dated 1931 showing Route 66 shields on Santa Monica Boulevard 5 years earlier. The USC link even has the receipt paperwork which clearly says 1931. I am perplexed.

tovangar2

Jul 15, 2015 7:12 AM

Frank Wiggins Trade School / Leo Katz

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6499826)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/69/krt7.jpg
www.vimeo.com/14429162

Here it is today from pretty much the same angle.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/703/qk46.jpg

I have no idea why they decided to cover up all the windows. One website said it was done in the 1960s. aargh!

__

blogdowntown adds this:

"...In 1968 the Board of Education opened a new school in the building, calling it the Central City Occupational Center.

It was in renovations for this reopening that the building was stripped of its looks. A Times story from August of 1967 tells of a fatal accident at the building, where a scaffolding collapse left one worker dead, one severely injured, and a third dangling 100 feet above the ground before he was rescued by firemen. The men's task: removing ornamental bricks from the building."

P.S.

If anyone has any curiosity about Leo Katz, the muralist, his bio is here and the Leo Katz Foundation is here (I emailed them too re the "Youth Arisen" mural panels).

oldstuff

Jul 15, 2015 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7095375)

I am intrigued by the close up of the tailor shop (or maybe it is the one to the right in the enlargement) where the sign in back of the clothing displayed says "circulating library". Seems odd for a tailor shop, or clothing store.

oldstuff

Jul 15, 2015 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7095417)

The Motor Transit Company operated from April of 1920 to April of 1930. They were the parent company of the "El Dorado System" as seen in the pictures. The 5th and Los Angeles St. depot was one of 18 depots in the system, all in Southern California. The went as far north as Taft and Bakersfield and as far south as San Diego. There was also a Big Bear Depot and one in Lake Arrowhead. This info is from the ERHA site.

In April of 1930 Pacific Electric acquired the system and its 33 buses to expand the territory they could cover. This info is from Los Angeles Magazine, in an article called "CityDig, Pacific Electric's Los Angeles Legacy".

Also in the picture in the middle of the group, looking down at the counter and the benches in the waiting area there is a large picture of the "scenic Ridge Route". This was the way over the mountains, out of the Valley towards Bakersfield before the freeways were cut through. The Ridge Route started in Grapevine Canyon in the north end of the San Fernando Valley and ran along the tops of the ridges north to Bakersfield. I mostly noticed the picture because my aunt and uncle had a very similar painting that hung in their living room which, while smaller, was the same picture as on the poster except for the car in it.

oldstuff

Jul 15, 2015 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7095519)

MMMMMMM! CC Brown's. Boy do I miss them!

tovangar2

Jul 15, 2015 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7095113)

Bloody hell, the web can be amazingly recalcitrant sometimes, but I finally shook this out:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3...82832%2BAM.jpg
california watercolor

I don't really know if it's the left or right panel of Leo Katz' "Youth Arisen", at the Frank Wiggins Trade School, plus it may only be a detail.

CityBoyDoug

Jul 15, 2015 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7095689)

If they needed help in that area, there were people like Paramount’s fitness instructor to the stars Richard Kline!

According to a 1940 newspaper profile, he’d formerly been a strongman in a Chautauqua circus, then from 1925-1927 held open air beach fitness classes in Atlantic City. A “top movie executive” discovered him there and brought him out to Hollywood where he was Paramount’s physical director from 1927 to 1939.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...in45intc45.jpg

That list of barbell movie males from the 1945 Kline brochure is interesting for more than one reason.

Two fellows who are listed are Cary Grant and Randolph Scott. They lived together off and on for eleven years. It was common Hollywood gossip that they were boyfriends. When we look at the photos of them together there is really no other conclusion that you can arrive at.

Richard Blackwell , fashion critic, journalist, television and radio personality, former child actor sometimes known just as Mr. Blackwell , states in his autobiography that Grant and Scott were ''madly in love''. There are many photos of the duo on the internet.

Ref photos:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/34199278394165471/

Scott and Grant....at home.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psls4ubruq.jpg
theredlist

CityBoyDoug

Jul 15, 2015 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7095991)

Most interesting find T2. Its still the ''content'' of these Katz mural panels than makes me wonder..."What was he thinking?".....

tovangar2

Jul 15, 2015 6:21 PM

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7096016)

Its still the ''content'' of these Katz mural panels than makes me wonder..."What was he thinking?".....

The Leo Katz Foundation states that Katz was involved in five murals. The three they reference were done during the years 1932-1935: "A Prayer for Light" at the Century of Progress exhibition in Chicago, "Youth Arisen" in Los Angeles and as Mexican muralist, José Clemente Orozco's assistant on "The Epic of American Civilization" at Dartmouth.

It was during his time with Orozco that Austrian-born Katz appeared to be heavily influenced by the Mexican artist's personal take on pre-Columbian imagery and sensibilities. The huge, multi-paneled "Epic of American Civilization" caused great consternation among Dartmouth alumni when it was unveiled (nudity, depictions of violence, general unpleasantness) , but is now on the National Register.

I don't disagree with your critique of "Youth Arisen". That mural has its own problems, I think, mostly to do with instances of poor draughtsmanship (Youth and its flanking figures), arrogant unpleasantness (the way female bodies are depicted in the central panel for example) and appropriated, secondhand cultural references. But, at this point, the mural is a just a cultural/social remnant from a time and situation now GWTW.

Post-war, Katz segued into soft, abstract works which seem to bear little relationship to his previous output. As far as I know, he got no further mural commissions.

P.S.

A very nice person from the GSA emailed just now to say that they had no previous record of "Youth Arisen" and have no idea where the panels are located.

I've also sent inquiries to the National Archives and the Smithsonian's Archive of American Art.

At this point I would much rather be listening to Wig-Wag talk about trains! Thx for your last post Wig-Wag. Perfect :-)

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