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odinthor Jan 10, 2020 10:36 PM

Bab's Epicurean Restaurant, 734-736 S. Spring, Los Angeles

https://i.postimg.cc/26gP6z2N/734-SSpring001.jpg
odinthor collection

The location had the usual diverse past (and future):

1900:

https://i.postimg.cc/rFXB2wDS/734-SS...Her7-22-00.jpg
LA Herald, 7/22/1900


1902 (probably upstairs):

https://i.postimg.cc/dt2zscCg/734-SS...LAT8-31-02.jpg
LA Times, 8/31/1902


1913:

https://i.postimg.cc/t4rvJq4v/734-SS...er11-26-13.jpg
LA Herald, 11/26/1913


--Bab's Epicurean Restaurant probably fits in about here; the white-border postcard era commenced 1915.


1922:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKXvCcDj/734-SS...LAT6-21-22.jpg
LA Times, 6/21/1922


1924:

https://i.postimg.cc/YqRbDrY2/734-SSpring-LAT1-1-24.jpg
LA Times, 1/1/1924


1925:

https://i.postimg.cc/0yHZxVVL/734-SS...LAT1-17-25.jpg
LA Times, 1/17/1925


1926, the Indoor Country Club:

https://i.postimg.cc/y6XPW1fh/734-SSpring-LAT9-5-26.jpg
LA Times, 9/5/1926


Still 1926:

https://i.postimg.cc/pdwZ5pbC/734-SS...LAT9-19-26.jpg
LA Times, 9/19/1926


1927:

https://i.postimg.cc/9FmB76S6/734-SS...LAT9-29-27.jpg
LA Times, 9/29/1927

Scott Charles Jan 11, 2020 4:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 8796249)
This isn't something I say often, but it would have been better if they had torn it down.

Sad to say that I agree. They took a beautiful building and turned it into complete garbage.

Flyingwedge Jan 11, 2020 5:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8791781)
Here's a slide looking south from the Statler in 1962.

The seller describes it as. . .

VINTAGE SLIDE SL88 ☆ 1962 LOS ANGELES SKYLINE SMOG.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/alxrCH.jpg
eBay


If I remember correctly, the large building across the street, and down below, was a. . .ummm. . .Levi manufacturers. . .or. .had something to do with overalls.


Good memory, e_r! The 1921 Baist Map shows that building as an overall factory. It was on Figueroa between Potter Park Avenue (aka 7th Place) and 8th Street.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 5998955)

Here's the 1921 Baist Map. The Potter home has been replaced by an overall factory (at first I thought, "As opposed to what, a specific factory?"):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a35d7e5.jpg
USCDL

The overall factory is the 1920 John Parkinson-designed Brownstein-Louis Building (Brownstein-Louis was a men's garment manufacturer). Here it is in 1926, looking NW at Figueroa and Eighth:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psf555b546.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068155.jpg)

In 1929, the same year this picture was taken, it was converted into an office building. To the right of Brownstein-Louis, you can see the line of apartments on Potter Park Avenue leading down to the Schermerhorn:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psaa86b3d1.jpg
USC Digital Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/91427/rec/2)


The Brownstein-Louis Building was torn down, and 7th Place vacated, in 1980 (http://urbandiachrony.wordpress.com/...-st-1929-2011/).


CityBoyDoug Jan 11, 2020 2:17 PM

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1154...656?authuser=0


https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...kx1o1_1280.jpg
tumblr

How things have changed since 1948 and stayed the same..click link at the top>>> 360' view...

Scott Charles Jan 11, 2020 4:57 PM

Smog
 
LINK: 35 vintage photos reveal what Los Angeles looked like before the US regulated pollution


I had no idea the smog was this bad, this early! 1940s, and the visibility is one block!

“Smog, 23 September 1949. A man looks south east from City Hall in Los Angeles.”
https://i.imgur.com/WhkOKQR.jpg

“Mariellen Morgan wipes away the tears as she is about to get some smog relief from Hank McCullough of West
Hollywood on November 25, 1958 as eye-irritating smog tormented residents for the third day in a row.”

https://i.imgur.com/bvW2Ms8.jpg

Does anyone recognize the location of the photo of the woman? I tried searching this thread, but couldn't find anything.

odinthor Jan 11, 2020 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8796710)
LINK: 35 vintage photos reveal what Los Angeles looked like before the US regulated pollution


I had no idea the smog was this bad, this early! 1940s, and the visibility is one block!

“Smog, 23 September 1949. A man looks south east from City Hall in Los Angeles.”
https://i.imgur.com/WhkOKQR.jpg
[...]

Shouldn't that be "south west"? But I'm . . . I'm getting . . . vertigo . . . [faints].

GaylordWilshire Jan 11, 2020 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8796643)



In 2015 ER and HossC had posts that included that picture and many more of the intersection:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27136


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27136


http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

ethereal_reality Jan 11, 2020 7:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8796296)
Bab's Epicurean Restaurant, 734-736 S. Spring, Los Angeles

https://i.postimg.cc/26gP6z2N/734-SSpring001.jpg
odinthor collection

Interesting post odinthor.

I imagine that Bab's was at the location for a very brief time. ...If that's the case odinthor's postcard is quite rare.

734-736 S. Spring was also the location of a downtown version of the 'Casa Verdugo'.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Asx6Fl.jpg

It opened in 1913. (as the Casa Verdugo)

The history of the famous Glendale 'Casa Verdugo' can be found on paradiseleased's fascinating blog.

We have also covered it here on NLA. (still searching for the old posts)
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CityBoyDoug Jan 11, 2020 8:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8796643)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1154...656?authuser=0


https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...kx1o1_1280.jpg
tumblr

How things have changed since 1948 and stayed the same..click link at the top>>> 360' view...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...py_0_ToAL9nH&s https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...y-nbsV4A/o.jpghttps://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...49-sm9Lw/o.jpghttps://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...c7HIlxyA/o.jpg
flickr

Here's some of the great food you can get at that taco stand Penny's at York and Fig. Eat drink and be merry noirishers.

riichkay Jan 12, 2020 12:23 AM

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psgphnhslt.jpg

Oct. 23, 1958



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psxqf2aja6.png
gsv

CaliNative Jan 12, 2020 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8796710)
LINK: 35 vintage photos reveal what Los Angeles looked like before the US regulated pollution


I had no idea the smog was this bad, this early! 1940s, and the visibility is one block!

“Smog, 23 September 1949. A man looks south east from City Hall in Los Angeles.”
https://i.imgur.com/WhkOKQR.jpg

“Mariellen Morgan wipes away the tears as she is about to get some smog relief from Hank McCullough of West
Hollywood on November 25, 1958 as eye-irritating smog tormented residents for the third day in a row.”

https://i.imgur.com/bvW2Ms8.jpg

Does anyone recognize the location of the photo of the woman? I tried searching this thread, but couldn't find anything.

^^^
"I had no idea smog was this bad, this early (1940)"

I remember days in the late 1950s and into the 1960s where the visibility was so bad because of the smog that the Verdugo Mountains and Santa Monica Mountains were invisible from where I lived near Oxnard & Cahuenga in NoHo. The hills were just a few miles away. Sometimes the smog made things less than half a mile away look fuzzy. It was bad especially in late summer and early autumn when the inversions were the worst. Winter was the only season when smog was rare. My parents told me that they recalled smog (not as bad) as far back as the 1920s, when the air had inversions. The air got a bit clearer in the 1930s, when the depression cut auto traffic and economic activity. WW2 brought the first of the bad smog, when the factories cranked up. The pre WW2 smog was called "smoke" or "haze", as the term "smog" (SMOke+foG) hadn't been invented until the 1940s. Smog was also bad in many of the eastern cities, e.g. Pittsburgh, with all the steel plants. An episode in Donora, PA in 1952 killed a lot of people. London of course has bad "pea soup" smog/fog episodes going way back. One episode in the early 1950s killed hundreds. Fortunately the smog problem is orders of magnitude less severe than it was before the 1980s. Severe smog alerts declined sharply after catalytic converters were put in cars in the '70s, and big industrial polluters were controlled. The progress was at first gradual, since it took years to retire the old polluting cars. The first measure taken was in the 1950s, when backyard trash incinerators were prohibited.

CityBoyDoug Jan 12, 2020 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8797195)
^^^
"I had no idea smog was this bad, this early (1940)"

I remember days in the late 1950s and into the 1960s where the visibility was so bad because of the smog that the Verdugo Mountains and Santa Monica Mountains were invisible from where I lived near Oxnard & Cahuenga in NoHo. The hills were just a few miles away. Sometimes the smog made things less than half a mile away look fuzzy. It was bad especially in late summer and early autumn when the inversions were the worst. Winter was the only season when smog was rare. My parents told me that they recalled smog (not as bad) as far back as the 1920s, when the air had inversions. The air got a bit clearer in the 1930s, when the depression cut auto traffic and economic activity. WW2 brought the first of the bad smog, when the factories cranked up. The pre WW2 smog was called "smoke" or "haze", as the term "smog" (SMOke+foG) hadn't been invented until the 1940s. Smog was also bad in many of the eastern cities, e.g. Pittsburgh, with all the steel plants. An episode in Donora, PA in 1952 killed a lot of people. London of course has bad "pea soup" smog/fog episodes going way back. One episode in the early 1950s killed hundreds. Fortunately the smog problem is orders of magnitude less severe than it was before the 1980s. Severe smog alerts declined sharply after catalytic converters were put in cars in the '70s, and big industrial polluters were controlled. The progress was at first gradual, since it took years to retire the old polluting cars. The first measure taken was in the 1950s, when backyard trash incinerators were prohibited.

Hey caliNative...excellent summation of the horrible smog days.

May I add that in the 1950's the smog was so bad that just a few minutes outside and my eyes would sting and begin to water. Any gym class outside would cause my lungs to fill with the foul air. Breathing would be painful and I had to literally stop exercising. Take a deep breath and experience pain in my chest. There was a lot of suffering in those days.

One study they harped on the 1950s was all of the hamburger stands and fast food joints also contributed to the smog. Cities rushed to require filters on all smokestacks poking out of food preparation kitchens in LA County.

https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/...count-smog.jpg
KCET

Godzilla Jan 12, 2020 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4761920)
I had a request from a forum'er for some Sunset Strip photos.





Below: The charming Westside Market at 9009 W. Sunset Blvd. was transformed into the Largo nightclub.



http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6...idemarket1.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2...rgoburlesk.jpg
usc digital library





Below: Notice the quaint Villa Nova to the left of the Largo.
Joe DiMaggio took Marilyn Monroe to this Italian restaurant on their first date.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2...novelaterr.jpg
usc digital archive




Below: The Villa Nova.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9...ova1950rai.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8...wasvillano.jpg
usc digital library and CENtral_1179





Below: The Villa Nova became the Rainbow bar & grill, and the Largo eventually became the Roxy Theatre.


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...ainbowroxy.jpg
lindsay shah






Below: Another view of the Westside Market reincarnated as the Largo (pre-Roxy).


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6...rgoonclapb.jpg
unknown



This oft posted image seems to belong with the :previous:



https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41PiGbXRK...llywood_CA.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41PiGbXRK...llywood_CA.jpg

ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2020 4:11 PM

:previous: Thanks for posting the Sunset Blvd. photographs again, Godzilla.

It's interesting to revisit the Westside Market's tranformation into the Largo Club and, eventually, the Roxy. (it's amazing that the original building survived
all the changes)
And there's all kinds of history related to the Villa Nova. (If I remember correctly something pertaining to Marilyn Monroe) ?



Remember this?
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal reality

Does anyone know where on Wilshire this particular gas station was located? It's quite dark on the other side of the station. Could that be MacArthur Park?

https://i.postimg.cc/m2Qb6hz6/wilshire-union.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheriffPaul
According to the 1941 Los Angeles Directory there were five Union Oil stations on Wilshire. 2607 is close to MacArthur Park but not directly across the street from it.

https://i.postimg.cc/dVsKH6KL/Union.jpg


I've been thinking about the topography since there are no other clues in the photo. Those street lights on the opposite side of Wilshire suggest there's a small hill ahead, as the lights vanish behind the crest of the hill. But after investigating those addresses, I'm stumped as to which one might be the correct location.

:previous: Thanks Sheriff Paul.

I was going through my old files and rediscovered additional negatives from this set. I would have made positive images but, for some reason, the option is missing on my computer. :( (I used to be able to do it)

#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/Qj1QnV.jpg
oldfile


A closer look.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/xpWgCd.jpg

The building next to the station (in the distance on the right) will hopefully help us determine which of Sheriff Paul's addresses is correct.



#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/qpqQFl.jpg
oldfile


A closer look.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/cPckba.jpg


If anyone is having a slow Sunday feel free to change the images to positive. :)


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Martin Pal Jan 12, 2020 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8797247)
This oft posted image seems to belong with the :previous:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41PiGbXRK...llywood_CA.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41PiGbXRK...llywood_CA.jpg
________________________________________________________________


Since I was looking at this today, look at what's planned if you turned around 180° from the above image.

https://plusdevelopmentgroup.com/wp-...-c-default.jpgPlus Development Group

The left side is residential, which is supposed to include some low income housing, ?, and the right side is a hotel.

Currently on that block is Terner's Liquor, The Viper Room and aahs! The latter has closed and sits vacant.

Mstimc Jan 12, 2020 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8797319)
Since I was looking at this today, look at what's planned if you turned around 180° from the above image.

https://plusdevelopmentgroup.com/wp-...-c-default.jpgPlus Development Group

The left side is residential, which is supposed to include some low income housing, ?, and the right side is a hotel.

Currently on that block is Terner's Liquor, The Viper Room and aahs! The latter has closed and sits vacant.

It looks like the right side melted and fell over onto the left side.

Interesting commentary on bad architectur:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAh_W9hZ1C4&t=802s

ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2020 11:09 PM

.

Here's an interesting business card from the 1920s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/uDyQSd.jpg
eBay LINK
...............................................................................................................Harry E. Herndon. ....810 S. Olive....



What makes this card exceptional is that the flipside is a photograph.

No doubt the car is a Stutz-Bearcat since Mr. Stutz is mentioned on the front of the card.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/47fimQ.jpg

. . .and if I remember correctly, Stutz-Bearcats were very popular with the movie colony. I wonder if the two young ladies are silent film stars!

I'm also curious about that estate in the background.


Not that long ago I posted another business card with a photograph on the back. You can revisit it HERE
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Godzilla Jan 12, 2020 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6871182)
I believe this is the completed "model drive in market". It's seen here at the opening of the Citizen's National Trust & Savings Bank on March 29, 1930. I originally posted a smaller detail view in the final part of my roundup of Citizens Trust & Savings Bank branches.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...t.jpg~original
Detail of picture in Huntington Digital Library

The same post also includes this night shot complete with arrow.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
USC Digital Library



:previous: Leimert Park evokes similarities of this unidentified drive in market. Numerous SoCal earmarks. Note tower above "Harold's." :shrug:



https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...11&oe=5E962F31https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/4f/b8/b...rs-mercury.jpg






Gratuitous



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...irca_1930s.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...irca_1930s.png


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/712/21...9d3c5862_b.jpghttps://c1.staticflickr.com/1/712/21...9d3c5862_b.jpg

Godzilla Jan 12, 2020 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8442432)
While looking for pictures of Wilshire the other day, I stumbled upon this sad picture. Does anyone know the background to this story?

Suicide victim, 26 February 1958. John J. Vandenburgh Junior -- 39 years (jumped from sixth floor of Prudential Building).; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Paegel. Date: 1958-02-26. Reporter: Thackrey. Assignment: Leaper. These are the mortal remains of John J. Vandenburgh, Jr., 39, who was a statistical analyst for Wilton Becket & Assoc. From sixth floor of Prudential Buliding, 5657 Wilshire."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ndenburgh1.jpg
USC Digital Library

For search purposes: Mullen Bluett and Coulters.




Another glimpse of Coulters and Mullen Bluett. Note, the absence of Lee Tower in the background.


https://i.redd.it/pahbsil1m8w21.jpghttps://i.redd.it/pahbsil1m8w21.jpg

odinthor Jan 13, 2020 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8797251)
[...]
I was going through my old files and rediscovered additional negatives from this set. I would have made positive images but, for some reason, the option is missing on my computer. :( (I used to be able to do it)

#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/Qj1QnV.jpg
oldfile


A closer look.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/xpWgCd.jpg

The building next to the station (in the distance on the right) will hopefully help us determine which of Sheriff Paul's addresses is correct.



#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/qpqQFl.jpg
oldfile


A closer look.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/cPckba.jpg


If anyone is having a slow Sunday feel free to change the images to positive. :)


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Your wish is my command, e_r!:



https://i.postimg.cc/CLTfGCSn/Number1.jpg



https://i.postimg.cc/6pz2xDRC/Number2.jpg


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