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BifRayRock Jan 16, 2013 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Gillis (Post 5975605)
Another one from my 'This is Hollywood' guide book that I'm not sure has gotten a mention here, though I could be wrong

'Just a few blocks north of Hollywood Blvd lie the remains of a once beautiful 148 acre estate...After passing through the main gates leading into the grounds a crumbling road takes you past the foundation and steps of what was once an English Gothic mansion......further up the curving road are the remains of tennis courts, two swimming pools and several cottages'

In 1942 Supermarket magnate Huntington Hartford bought the estate and let it slowly deteriorate over the period upto the early 60's

He lived to 97!!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...rd_672600c.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...-Hartford.html

anyone have any pictures of the original house??

Looks like the house was known as 'The Pines' and was once inhabited by Errol Flynn!



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5256;)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/134...hnmccormic.jpg


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/606...epinesoct9.jpglapl


1954 Hartford honored by City Council
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics34/00036907.jpgLapl

GaylordWilshire Jan 16, 2013 5:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5975507)
1924 - "Sam Seelig Co., California's Leading Grocer." Lot's of nearby lumber too!
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046865.jpgLapl


A couple of Safeway priors:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6144

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6150

BifRayRock Jan 16, 2013 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5975670)


Thanks.

Sam Seelig "may have" resided at 138 S Wilton Dr. - very close to Lewis Stone (212 S. Wilton). http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...rch_doc=seelig Good neighborhood if you were to unexpectedly run out of sugar, butter or rum? ;)

http://paradiseleased.files.wordpres...ne-lewis-1.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7488

Silverlaker Jan 16, 2013 7:44 PM

Ghosts!?! Is that Daniel Craig, Paul Giamatti and Jeremy Renner in early Los Angeles?

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf3j49n9rz/hi-res

Image courtesy of Berkeley Digital Library SunSite: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingA.../I0006103A.jpg

BifRayRock Jan 16, 2013 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverlaker (Post 5975907)
Ghosts!?! Is that Daniel Craig, Paul Giamatti and Jeremy Renner in early Los Angeles?

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf3j49n9rz/hi-res

Sure looks like the mustache worn by Daniel Lewis in TWBB or K Costner as Earp. (Both stories have So Cal connections.) http://cbskluv2.files.wordpress.com/...x240.jpg?w=420 http://kluv.cbslocal.com/2011/01/13/...-hear-it-here/

Curious about the light patterned image "apparently" behind the left window near "Groceries." A reflection of the thatched roof across the street? Bolt of cloth? Throw rug display?

Store looks not to have enjoyed electrification. Light fixtures appear to have been gas fed.

ethereal_reality Jan 17, 2013 12:47 AM

posted earlier this week
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/7459/a...ortcafeinf.jpg






below: I have been trying to place these two photographs I found on an old cd of mine.
When I saw it mentioned in the above article I realized this could be Culver City Airport (as opposed to Hughes Airport or Mines Field/LAX).
What do you guys think?

http://imageshack.us/a/img254/14/mys...nhillsorsi.jpg
unknown

That certainly looks like Baldwin Hills to me.







below: Is this the same location, or is the blimp now due west over Hughes Airport?

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/706/my...nsignalgdb.jpg
unknown
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ethereal_reality Jan 17, 2013 1:13 AM

We've discussed the long lost rotating beacon atop Los Angeles City Hall since page one.

detail
http://imageshack.us/a/img20/4740/aablinddetail.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...97&postcount=1





So I was intrigued when I came across this postcard on ebay showing a second beacon/searchlight aimed at the iconic tower.

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/8222/aabbeacons1936.jpg

Perhaps it's simply an artist's fantasy....
but it makes me want to find out if there were any other beacons atop any of the surrounding government buildings.
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Flyingwedge Jan 17, 2013 1:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revheavyg (Post 5971998)

Hey now . . . these are by far the best Surfridge aerials I've seen. Thanks revheavyg! In the bottom photo, left to right, we see portions of Ellen, Ney, Argo, and Truckey Streets, along with a block of Trask Avenue, that had been removed (along with an unseen block of Ivalee) by 1972.
(see http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11516 and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11517 and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11540)
Also, note the large house (w/ turret on its NE corner) on the large lot west of the end of Truckey Street. I wonder if it was "The Castle":
"One of the first demolished, in 1967, was a 6,400-square-foot Spanish-Moroccan mansion that locals called "The Castle." The airport bought it for $86,000 and set upon it with bulldozers rather than let it draw vandals and transients."
(http://articles.latimes.com/2001/aug/30/local/me-40131)

Anyway, more Surfridge stuff:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...dNov151967.jpg
Unspecified Location, 11/15/67.
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics24/00031649.jpg)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...DMNov81967.jpg
Vista Del Mar and Ney, 11/8/67. I find it odd that it's EAST Ney Street, since the beach is across the street.
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics24/00031651.jpg)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ct151955-1.jpg
Vista Del Mar and Waterview, 10/15/55. The house with the arched windows is still there at 200 Waterview (formerly Waterloo) and was the home of Surfridge developer Fritz Burns before he went bust during the Depression and had to live in a tent on the beach (he subsequently recovered his fortune).
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics24/00031650.jpg)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0Waterview.jpg
LMU Library (http://www.drmillslmu.com/personal/memills/mm1950s.htm)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...de/PDR1951.jpg
1951 or 1956 (title and description don't match): Beaumont, Deauville, Epinard, and Fontainbleu Streets.
USC Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/57540/rec/7)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...dSouthSign.jpg
It was Grand Pre Blvd. North or South, depending on which side of the median you were on.
USC Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/90283/rec/98)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...tside/7804.jpg
7804 Vista Del Mar @ Patterson (later Palace Street), 1929.
USC Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/13010/rec/1)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../1926sign2.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e/1926sign.jpg
Advertising, 1926. Look at the bottom sign; they needed to add an accent mark? Were people mispronouncing it as surf-RIDGE or sur-FRIDGE?
Duke Library (http://library.duke.edu/digitalcolle...word=surfridge)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ndgebigger.jpghttp://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...eatEpinard.jpg
Long Beach blogger Cal Porter grew up at 8721 Rindge (@ Epinard).
Cal Porter's Then and Now (http://www.localbeachhotels.com/defa...r1=View&var2=1)

Among his memories:
"I think my favorite movie shoot was the comedy team of Laurel and Hardy making the 1931 film, Beau Hunks, in which Stan and Ollie join the Foreign Legion so that Ollie can forget his girl friend, Jeanie-Weenie, who had dumped him. The boys proceeded to get good and lost in a sand storm in Africa (Africa being a barren dune two blocks from our house) and fall and roll to the bottom of the hill as the wind machine blasts them with sand."
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../BeauHunks.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...BeauHunks2.jpg
Another Nice Mess (http://www.lordheath.com/index.php?p=1_134_Beau-Hunks)

ethereal_reality Jan 17, 2013 1:56 AM

:previous: Amazing posts on Surfridge revheavya and Flyingwedge!
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I was very excited when I came across this photograph on ebay.Kit Carson in Santa Monica's Rustic Canyon!!! Can it be?

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1530/sh2s.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img233/1350/s...anyon1920s.jpg
ebay




Well it turns out this was the backwoods home of Kit Carson's son, Samuel Carson.

http://imageshack.us/a/img217/1996/a...ssoninrust.jpg
http://www.cowanauctions.com/auction...x?ItemId=34853

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/1927/a...ssoninr2in.jpg
http://www.cowanauctions.com/auction...x?ItemId=34853




below: Here is a brief obituary.

http://imageshack.us/a/img838/3452/a...ldiesspide.jpg
http://afflictor.com/2012/08/12/a-br...t-carsons-son/

I wonder if there are any remnants of old Samuel Carson's Shack up in Rustic Canyon?
Think of the family heirlooms he might have buried!
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GaylordWilshire Jan 17, 2013 3:33 AM

:previous:

I agree...amazing posts on Surfridge revheavya and Flyingwedge!


Fritz Burns was all over town, even on Bunker Hill.... The house in the article below was apparently at 240 or 242 N. Hope, according to another times article from 1958. For verification, I wish I could find on the thread the great CRA pictorial map that's an inventory of BH in the '50s...anyone remember it?


http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3...scompl1200.jpg
Los Angeles Times May 4, 1958

BifRayRock Jan 17, 2013 7:10 AM





Time to gas up?



West Coast Service Station. Unknown date and location
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057615.jpgLapl



Undated. Gilmore at Wilshire and Fairfax Ave. Similar to now Texaco station at 849 N. Highland (Willoughby) - pictured below.
http://yougottobekidding.files.wordp.../image0021.jpghttp://yougottobekidding.files.wordp.../image0021.jpg 849 N. Highland http://historian4hire.com/GilmoreGasoline.jpghttp://historian4hire.com/gilmoregas.html



Hotel Paramount 5311 Melrose Ave. (Probably NW corner of Van Ness and Melrose)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057606.jpgLapl



Roar with Gilmore
http://yougottobekidding.files.wordp...1/image005.jpghttp://yougottobekidding.files.wordp...1/image005.jpg



Undated ('20s?) and unknown location Pea Gravel Galore. Crunch Crunch. :yes:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0USC Digital


More gravel ground cover to grind?
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0USC Digital



1920 Wilshire and La Brea
http://www.lilesnet.com/farmersmarke...008/img174.jpghttp://www.lilesnet.com/farmersmarke...008/img174.jpg



1928 Wilshire and La Brea
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0USC Digital

Circle Theatre? (Which way to Carthay?
)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ion&DMROTATE=0



BifRayRock Jan 17, 2013 7:22 AM

http://yougottobekidding.files.wordp...1/image009.jpghttp://yougottobekidding.files.wordp...1/image009.jpg

BifRayRock Jan 17, 2013 7:39 AM

1937 Albert Sheetz Mission Candy Company 450 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills. Pretty Building.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00097/00097772.jpgLapl

BifRayRock Jan 17, 2013 7:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5450187)
The J.J. Haggarty residence at 3330 West Adam Blvd. was dubbed "The Castle".
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/30/...artycastle.jpg
lapl

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3...artycastle.jpg
lapl

below: Here is the grand staircase complete with a pipe organ (!?!?) and Tiffany stained glass.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8...alljjhagga.jpg
lapl

Before its demolition J.J. Haggarty's "Castle" was used as a drug abuse rehabilitation facility.

Can you believe they actually placed recovering drug addicts here? To me the whole place seems like some sort of bizarre mind-f*ck.______


Jan 1938
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096211.jpgLapl

1938 Sunroom
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096210.jpgLapl

Quote:

Photograph caption dated June 27, 1951 reads, "Rippled by heat of flames, this is how part of the famous mansion looks today after fire sped through the showplace. One fireman was seriously hurt while fighting blaze. The big house had been sold by Hagagrty [sic] and converted into a rooming house, the Villa Arlington. But in recent months it was up for sale again.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096217.jpgLapl
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096218.jpg


Flyingwedge Jan 17, 2013 8:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5976317)
posted earlier this week
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/7459/a...ortcafeinf.jpg


below: I have been trying to place these two photographs I found on an old cd of mine.
When I saw it mentioned in the above article I realized this could be Culver City Airport (as opposed to Hughes Airport or Mines Field/LAX).
What do you guys think?

http://imageshack.us/a/img254/14/mys...nhillsorsi.jpg
unknown

That certainly looks like Baldwin Hills to me.


below: Is this the same location, or is the blimp due west over Hughes Airport?

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/706/my...nsignalgdb.jpg
unknown
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Yes, the first pic is definitely looking east at Baldwin Hills. I'd wager that both pics are Culver City Airport. The hangars in the second pic seem to match up with an old color pic here (note "swirl" on roof of largest hangar): http://members.tripod.com/airfields_...htm#culvercity

revheavyg Jan 17, 2013 10:20 AM

Wow those hills look like the Montebello Hills!!http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6251f4da.jpg
might be possible that picture could have been taken in montebellohttp://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5f7c8603.jpg1947 photo of Montebello by Don Downie. The Montebello airport was closed at some point between 1952-53. That view looks so familiar!!!! I drive past those hills everyday and It looks familiar! i know montebello has a rich oil history.
http://members.tripod.com/airfields_...htm#montebello

MichaelRyerson Jan 17, 2013 2:15 PM

In search of Francisco Manza
 
I sometimes go searching for images without a specific purpose, just sort of surfing around and grabbing things that are interesting and reasonably high def. I typically also capture the archived caption but frequently let that be it for the moment, just letting them simmer in my photo-stream until other images appear that relate somehow and then I go back and try to make sense of them and their relationships. This photo came to me first through the Stoltz Family website as being the residence of an early 20th century relative and I liked the image so much I went looking for it at LAPL and then at USC where I found it in the C.C. Pierce collection. Then I left it sit for six months. It appeared regularly on my most-hits list and I wondered what was bringing people to view it. It had ten times the number of visitors as the pictures immediately adjacent to it in the photo-stream. Funny...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8...58667f3d_o.jpg
412sunset-1925 (1)

Photograph of the exterior of an adobe built by Francisco Manza at 412 Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, ca.1925. The adobe, built in 1865, is pictured here from the side; a small brick kiln and a collection of other yard items stands with a small palm tree alongside the house. Farther in, a door with a mail-slat and a six-paned sliding window are visible at the back of the raised porch, from which wooden stairs descend to the right.

University of Southern California. Libraries, Title Insurance and Trust / C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960


Then a week ago I ran across this image...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8357/8...91d16f1a_o.png
412sunset-1920 (2)

Photograph of a dilapidated adobe built by Francisco Manza on the west side at the north end of the Broadway Tunnel, Los Angeles, 1920. A collapsing picket fence leans in towards the property of the adobe at the right, leading to the main house which is partially obscured by a hill in the foreground. The adobes have plank veneers along their walls, and the adobe at the far left has a wash basin attached to its side. Several metal poles, which appear to be supports for unused clotheslines, hang in towards the adobes. In the background, telephone poles and the lavish Cabrinic House can be seen.

USC digital archive/California Historical Society Collection, 1860-1960/Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960

Checking the details it was apparent they were the same house and this image gave a wide enough perspective to include a glimpse of Fort Moore Hill in the background placing it on the south side of Sunset. I don't always trust the captioned material and like to confirm the information with some visual evidence. And here we have the angle of the sun and some buildings on the top of Fort Moore Hill.

And then I ran across this mystery photograph...(I'm including the archived caption as it appears in the USC collection website)...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8...9997d6aa_o.png
Adobe built by Francisco Marigo on the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Justica Street east of the Broadway Tunnel, Los Angeles, ca.1900-1909

"Photograph of an adobe built by Francisco Marigo on the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Justica Street east of the Broadway Tunnel, Los Angeles, ca.1900-1909. Debris lay along either side of the unpaved street, with the adobe pictured to the right at center. It's double doors are open out towards the street, and several plank boards appear to be nailed near the roofline. A trashcan lid lays on an overhang that extends from the building farther back. Hills are visible in the background along with part of the city."

Well this didn't seem right. The angle of the sun says this is the east elevation of the house and the slope of the hill says it backs up to Fort Moore Hill but still what are the chances two guys named Francisco could have built their adobes directly across the street (N. Broadway) from each other AND have had such similar last names? Then it occurred to me that a handwritten notation of the name 'Manza' could conceivably look like 'Marigo' so I reversed the image and voila'!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8045/8...7da0761b_o.png
412sunset-1909 (3) (rescued)

View of the Francisco Manza adobe at 412 Sunset (most likely Bella Vue in 1909) looking east toward Broadway. This print/neg was/is stored as a reversed negative and lost and misidentified in the USC digital archive/California Historical Society Collection, 1860-1960/Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960 prints collection as being 'Adobe built by Francisco Marigo on the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Justica Street east of the Broadway Tunnel, Los Angeles, ca.1900-1909'. Of course, being reversed it was difficult for the archivist to properly identify. But the Francisco Manza adobe was on the west side of the Broadway tunnel which meant two Franciscos with suspiciously similar surnames would have been neighbors. I could see how a handwritten 'Manza' could have possibly been misread as 'Marigo'. But I still wanted visual evidence. The latticework on the end of the lean-to porch was a first clue. It appears in both views (east and west) check for it in 412sunset (2) and (1). But the conclusive evidence is harder to see. In this image there is what appears to be the corner of a masonry building at the extreme left edge near the center. That appears to be the northwest corner of the roof of the Colima Restaurant whose address is 400-408 Sunset Boulevard. Pay particular attention to the small decorative cornice and then check 'Sunset and North Broadway, 1929' in this photo-stream.

Now we've got it. Here we are looking at the west side (looking east) of the Francisco Manza adobe located at 412 Sunset Boulevard (most likely Bella Vue at the date of these images).

USC digital archive/California Historical Society Collection, 1860-1960/Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960


Here's a shot of the Colima in 1929...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8...a2526486_o.jpg
Sunset and North Broadway, 1929

View looking south at Sunset Boulevard and North Broadway showing the north tunnel portal as it empties traffic into the intersection. On the left, a dirt Justicia Street winds up and around the shoulder of Fort Moore Hill. And on the right what is now the Colima Restaurant with its decorative cornice still intact.

LAPL


And here are two shots of the Colima today showing the intersection and the area which would have been the site of the Manza adobe...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8074/8...612413e5_o.jpg
Colima Restaurant, 2013

Colima Restaurant, Sunset Boulevard (W. Cesar E. Chavez Avenue) and North Broadway, 2013. One of and perhaps the most remarkable survivors on the north side. The Manza adobe would have been situated in the open area to the right of the restaurant building just at the base of the ivy-covered slope running up to Hill Street.

Google Street View

And here's a detail of the Colima showing the street addresses (the Manza adobe has been identified as being at 412 Bella Vue (Sunset Boulevard)...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8...1be6fbd2_o.jpg
Colima2 (2)

Colima Restaurant, Sunset Boulevard (W. Cesar E. Chavez Avenue) and North Broadway, 2013

Google Street View

GaylordWilshire Jan 17, 2013 2:32 PM

:previous:


Great new info on that intersection, MichaelRyerson. We've visited the intersection of Sunset & N Broadway before but I for one had no idea of the existence of the Francisco Manza adobe.


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6256

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3299


And there may be other previous post on the intersection.

GaylordWilshire Jan 17, 2013 2:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5976701)
[COLOR="Indigo"][SIZE="2"][FONT="Tahoma"]

Undated. Gilmore at Wilshire and ? Ave. (Similar to station at 849 N. Highland [and Willoughby]. Don't believe it to be La Brea - see bottom.)
http://yougottobekidding.files.wordp.../image0021.jpghttp://yougottobekidding.files.wordp.../image0021.jpg


This is the southwest corner of Wilshire and Fairfax. The building at right still stands: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6275



This is the northeast corner of Wilshire and La Brea... I think the arrow is pointing in the right direction.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5976701)

I believe this station was at 3rd and Fairfax.

BifRayRock Jan 17, 2013 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5976895)
This is the southwest corner of Wilshire and Fairfax. The building at right still stands: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6275


Good eye. I focused on deciphering the street sign at the center of photo. Now . . . upon second viewing . . . of course it looks like Fairfax. :)


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