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cantoneseboyLA Jan 29, 2012 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5153811)
the top photograph is looking northeast from new high street towards ord street., (the intersection of ord and new high is just out of view at the lower left). the adobe was on the south east corner of the intersection. the tri tower building, (you can only see two in the photo), was located on the northwest corner of spring and ord.

the building looked down at the north end of christine sterling's disney-esque, china city which was located between main street on the east, spring street on the west, macy street on the south, and ord street on the north.

looking north west from main and macy across china city towards ord street

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057482.jpg
Source: LAPL http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057482.jpg

looking south westerly on new high street north of ord street. the tri tower building is at the upper left of the photo, (you can see the wrigley advertisement).

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063798.jpg
Source: LAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063798.jpg

the bottom photo is looking north east from fort moore hill. sunset boulevard is running right to left at the bottom of the image. sunset pool on the far right side of the photo is on the south east corner of sunset and new high street.

broadway is the street at the very bottom of the photograph. this image was taken adjacent to the west of the north tunnel portal.

1925 image looking up brodway across sunset boulevard from the north tunnel portal

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-EN-122-3?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-EN-122-3?v=hr

looking south at the north portal of the broadway tunnel from sunset boulevard. your 2nd photo E_R was taken from a point behind the billboard that says direct and consumers on it

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-45775?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-45775?v=hr

a 1955 image looking north easterly from fort moore hill across the new hill street bridge connecting hill street to old castelar street on thenorth side of the 101 freeway. the tri towered building, (minus the wrigley add, and minus it's towers), is on the upper right

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043547.jpg
Source: LAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043547.jpg

this 1950 image taken from where the broaday tunnel used to be, across the construction work of the 101 freeway and sunset bouelvard, shows the tri tower building without it's towers just above, and right of center

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...R-BRO-002?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...R-BRO-002?v=hr

this 1948 image looking west on ord street from main street, shows the building without it's towers


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UEKES2FT6B.jpg
Source: California State Library http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UEKES2FT6B.jpg

The building with tri towers is still there today, albeit chopped down to a single story. It is now a Chinese business at its same corner entrance at northwest corner of Ord St and Spring. In the early 1980's, I used to go to the gambling hangout located above Yee Mee Loo's restaurant which was catty corner of the remains of the tri-towered building. I can see it from the second story window of the apartment above the restaurant. If you go inside, look for the remains of the original baseboard near the work area. And viewed from the south side wall, one of the original tall windows showed its cast iron pulleys from long replaced double-hung windows to louvre windows is still present. On have to look hard from across the corner street and visualized that the whole building's Ord St. length was shortened about midblock to 1/2 of its original size, and the Spring St. side was even narrowed even more. But its corner entrance is a dead giveaway. I knew the owner, an American of Chinese ancestry, who told me about his building was a large tri-towered building. I'm sorry to say, he was 90 years old at that time when he told me some 25 years ago.
Isn't there a photo of Yee Mee Loo building on 690 N. Spring St on the thread? It was built around 1915. I played Chinese Chess many times with my friends in the early 1980's which was upstairs above the 1930's restaurant reachable from 124 Ord St. It was located in China City.

sopas ej Jan 29, 2012 4:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cantoneseboyLA (Post 5568368)
The building with tri towers is still there today, albeit chopped down to a single story. It is now a Chinese business at its same corner entrance at northwest corner of Ord St and Spring. In the early 1980's, I used to go to the gambling hangout located above Yee Mee Loo's restaurant which was catty corner of the remains of the tri-towered building. I can see it from the second story window of the apartment above the restaurant. If you go inside, look for the remains of the original baseboard near the work area. And viewed from the south side wall, one of the original tall windows showed its cast iron pulleys from long replaced double-hung windows to louvre windows is still present. On have to look hard from across the corner street and visualized that the whole building's Ord St. length was shortened about midblock to 1/2 of its original size, and the Spring St. side was even narrowed even more. But its corner entrance is a dead giveaway. I knew the owner, an American of Chinese ancestry, who told me about his building was a large tri-towered building. I'm sorry to say, he was 90 years old at that time when he told me some 25 years ago.
Isn't there a photo of Yee Mee Loo building on 690 N. Spring St on the thread? It was built around 1915. I played Chinese Chess many times with my friends in the early 1980's which was upstairs above the 1930's restaurant reachable from 124 Ord St. It was located in China City.

Cantoneseboy, I'm sure if you and I sat down together, you could tell me some very interesting stories---as well as everyone else here, I must say.

Yes indeed, that building is still there, minus its upper floors. And, the building on the right in this pic:
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UEKES2FT6B.jpg
Source: California State Library http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UEKES2FT6B.jpg

...is where Philippe's is now.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...44079648_n.jpghttp://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...26502154_n.jpg
photos by me

Ah, Philippe's. Like 3940dxer, though I like Philippe's, I like Cole's better; their lamb sandwiches are delicious.

Cole's
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4513043_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5500376_n.jpg
photos by me

Handsome Stranger Jan 29, 2012 4:30 PM

From the Los Angeles Times, 78 years ago today:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...zardpeople.jpg
[source: Strange Maps]

Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted
Engineer Sinks Shaft Under Fort Moore Hill to Find Maze of Tunnels and Priceless Treasures of Legendary Inhabitants

Busy Los Angeles, although little realizing it in the hustle and bustle of modern existence, stands above a lost city of catacombs filled with incalculable treasure and imperishable records of a race of humans further advanced intellectually than the highest type of present day peoples, in the belief of G. Warren Shufelt, geophysicist mining engineer now engaged in an attempt to wrest from the lost city deep in the earth below Fort Moore Hill the secrets of the Lizard People of legendary fame in the medicine lodges of the American Indian.

So firmly does Shufelt and a little staff of assistants believe that a maze of catacombs and priceless golden tablets are to be found beneath downtown Los Angeles that the engineer and his aids have already driven a shaft 250 feet into the ground, the mouth of the shaft being on the old Banning property on North Hill street, overlooking Sunset Boulevard, Spring street and North Broadway.

And so convinced is the engineer of the infallibility of a radio x-ray perfected by him for detecting the presence of minerals and tunnels below the surface of the ground, an apparatus with which he says he has traced a pattern of catacombs and vaults forming the lost city, that he plans to continue sending his shaft downward until he has reached a depth of 1000 feet before discontinuing operations.

Shufelt learned of the legend of the Lizard People after his radio X-Ray had led him hither and yon, over an area extending from the Public Library on West Fifth street to the Southwest Museum, on Museum Drive, at the foot of Mt. Washington.

"I knew I was over a pattern of tunnels," the engineer explained yesterday, "and I had mapped out the course of the tunnels, the position of large rooms scattered along the tunnel route, as well as the position of deposits of gold, but I couldn't understand the meaning of it."

Then Shufelt was taken to Little Chief Greenleaf of the medicine lodge of the Hopi Indians in Arizona, who's English name is L. Macklin. The Indian provided the engineer with a legend which, according to both men, dovetails exactly with what Shufelt say he has found.

(Click here for full transcript of article.)

Los Angeles Jan 29, 2012 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5563295)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7...ULLLABELSd.jpgUSCDL

My labels on an aerial that must date from between 1916, when the Marlborough School moved to 3rd Street from 23rd, near St. James Park, and 1920, when the third part of Windsor Square opened (above 3rd St and between Larchmont and Irving, north, more or less, to Beverly Blvd. (Btw, at this point Beverly was still called Temple on insurance maps.)

The north-south line of trees between Plymouth and Lucerne marks the boundary of the first two sections of Windsor Square... somewhere in the noirish past I posted some pics showing how the surfaces of some east-west streets change abruptly at that boundary--concrete in Windsor Square, asphalt in the Windsor Hills addition....

Since I went a little overboard with the labels, here's the original shot...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL
(USC has identified this shot as including a view of West Adams. It doesn't.)


This is amazing GW Thank you :cool: I have friends who have a house on Lucern built a few years after this picture was taken who will love seeing this!

Still hoping for a photo like this one to show up from that area I am looking for around 37th Place and Hill Street. :fingerscrossed:

Does anyone have any pictures of the old Hancock residence at the La Brea Tarpits? I lived on Orange Drive, just around the corner from the Four Star Theater and used to play with a kid that lived in the Hancock Mansion there before the LA County Museum was built on it.

GaylordWilshire Jan 29, 2012 5:51 PM

:previous:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065363.jpghttp://lapl.org

Per the LAPL caption: "Exterior view of the ranch home of Henry Hancock in the LaBrea Tar Pits area, later Hancock Park.
He was an early Los Angeles lawyer, surveyor, land owner and candidate for the Presidency of the United States."


From the air, ca. 1930 (Wilshire at right--the slight angle is between Spaulding & Stanley)...

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010513.jpghttp://lapl.org

This is from a quick look at the LAPL collection--there are some other aerials there of the pits-- there may be better pictures of the house somewhere.

rick m Jan 29, 2012 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles (Post 5568735)
This is amazing GW Thank you :cool: I have friends who have a house on Lucern built a few years after this picture was taken who will love seeing this!

Still hoping for a photo like this one to show up from that area I am looking for around 37th Place and Hill Street. :fingerscrossed:

Does anyone have any pictures of the old Hancock residence at the La Brea Tarpits? I lived on Orange Drive, just around the corner from the Four Star Theater and used to play with a kid that lived in the Hancock Mansion there before the LA County Museum was built on it.

Nice images of original Marlborough School (and some of it's girls) on both LAPL and USC photodatabase- was prominent there in early days of St.James Park - later became a hotel - the razed to build shoddy apartments--- At Scarff St. corner--

GaylordWilshire Jan 29, 2012 8:22 PM

:previous:

Well, the school actually got its name from the Marlborough Hotel...

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026007.jpgLAPL

Apparently a school named St. Margaret's moved from Pasadena to the empty Marlborough in West Adams in 1890 and took its name. The building may have become a hotel again after the school moved to W. 3rd St., but it wasn't named Marlborough.

What I think of as Caribbean-style shutters--hinged at the top--are an interesting feature.

GaylordWilshire Jan 29, 2012 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles (Post 5568735)
have friends who have a house on Lucern built a few years after this picture was taken who will love seeing this!

LA, here's another aerial view of Windsor Square, looking northwest. Apparently taken at a lower altitude, the houses are a bit easier to discern--but it was taken at about the same time as the earlier shot so it probably doesn't show your friend's house. The Marlborough School is the big building at far left, at 3rd and Rossmore; Lucerne is the second north-south street to its right. The lowest cross street is 5th.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520PM.bmp.jpgUCSDL

Los Angeles Jan 29, 2012 9:01 PM

Very cool GW! Hey, that might be a later picture on the right. It seems that my friends house might be there now. It is just below 4th on Lucern on the west side of the street...

Here's another aerial view of Tar Pits area and I think the cabin is amongst those trees?
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010539.jpg
LAPL http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010539.jpg

And another view across the tar lake with the cabin in the background.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010541.jpg
LAPL http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010541.jpg

Although the house I am referring too was much bigger and near where LACMA is now, It had a wall around it...if I recall correctly ;)

cantoneseboyLA Jan 29, 2012 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5565570)

Hey! I see a lovely Art Deco bungalow court next door to the left. Wow! I'm crazy for anything Art Deco whether zig-zag moderne or Streamline Moderne. Can anyone in the thread have a better photo if it in before condition?

GaylordWilshire Jan 29, 2012 9:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles (Post 5569019)
Very cool GW!

Although the house I am referring too was much bigger and near where LACMA is now, It had a wall around it...if I recall correctly ;)


This one??

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...ncockwilvt.jpgLAPL

Well, no wall around it, and too far east ... but see the details HERE.

Los Angeles Jan 30, 2012 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5569038)
This one??

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...ncockwilvt.jpgLAPL

Well, no wall around it, and too far east ... but see the details HERE.


Funny GW, I saw that one, but the one I am speaking about was really on the site of the tar pits property. I used to play with the kid that lived there in....hmmm it must have been around 1959-61??? I would have been about 8...

GaylordWilshire Jan 30, 2012 1:01 AM

A couple of beauties by Pierpont Davis
 
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070848.jpgLAPL

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View
2810 N. Beachwood


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics41/00040146.jpgLAPL
The architect's own house, 500 S. Rossmore

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View
Still there, if behind the hedges...


And here's a new (to me) shot of the Eltinge house (the house with a 'little something extra'):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Books

It was designed by Pierpont with his brother and partner Walter, and we've seen it before... http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1212

Los Angeles Jan 30, 2012 2:03 AM

The obsession goes on...

I found another Tar Pits area picture, but this house seems to be where the May Company now stands? Or maybe not since that excavation pit with the spiral staircase is directly behind the house? That could be Orange Grove in the foreground with cars parked in the May Company lot at the bottom of the pic?
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3144/2...da63f0c4_o.jpg
califboy101 On the Flickr page it says, "This photo was taken on August 18, 2008." I don;'t think soooo...

You can see the Park La Brea Towers in the upper left. Maybe someone here will be able to guess the date of this pic. I would guess forties from the cars.

ethereal_reality Jan 30, 2012 2:54 AM

:previous: That is such an amazing photograph! Good find 'Los Angeles'.

citywatch Jan 30, 2012 3:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles (Post 5569321)
On the Flickr page it says, "This photo was taken on August 18, 2008." I don;'t think soooo...

2008??!! :haha:

I'm guessing the pic was taken from top of the may co bldg. the street in the foreground was permanently closed down just a few yrs ago & added to the grounds of the LA county art museum. that little house is now where one of the main bldgs of the museum is located.

the prudential sq bldg in the background was built in 1948, & the park la brea apt bldgs were finished around the same time. So the pic can't be older than from the late 1940s, probably early 1950s.

the photo is quite interesting since I didn't realize there ever was more than open land----or more than I believe 2 small display bldgs created to show some of the fossils from the tar pits----within the borders of hancock pk before the museum was built & opened in 1965.

FredH Jan 30, 2012 3:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5568721)
From the Los Angeles Times, 78 years ago today:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...zardpeople.jpg
[source: Strange Maps]

Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted
Engineer Sinks Shaft Under Fort Moore Hill to Find Maze of Tunnels and Priceless Treasures of Legendary Inhabitants

Busy Los Angeles, although little realizing it in the hustle and bustle of modern existence, stands above a lost city of catacombs filled with incalculable treasure and imperishable records of a race of humans further advanced intellectually than the highest type of present day peoples, in the belief of G. Warren Shufelt, geophysicist mining engineer now engaged in an attempt to wrest from the lost city deep in the earth below Fort Moore Hill the secrets of the Lizard People of legendary fame in the medicine lodges of the American Indian.

So firmly does Shufelt and a little staff of assistants believe that a maze of catacombs and priceless golden tablets are to be found beneath downtown Los Angeles that the engineer and his aids have already driven a shaft 250 feet into the ground, the mouth of the shaft being on the old Banning property on North Hill street, overlooking Sunset Boulevard, Spring street and North Broadway.

And so convinced is the engineer of the infallibility of a radio x-ray perfected by him for detecting the presence of minerals and tunnels below the surface of the ground, an apparatus with which he says he has traced a pattern of catacombs and vaults forming the lost city, that he plans to continue sending his shaft downward until he has reached a depth of 1000 feet before discontinuing operations.

Shufelt learned of the legend of the Lizard People after his radio X-Ray had led him hither and yon, over an area extending from the Public Library on West Fifth street to the Southwest Museum, on Museum Drive, at the foot of Mt. Washington.

"I knew I was over a pattern of tunnels," the engineer explained yesterday, "and I had mapped out the course of the tunnels, the position of large rooms scattered along the tunnel route, as well as the position of deposits of gold, but I couldn't understand the meaning of it."

Then Shufelt was taken to Little Chief Greenleaf of the medicine lodge of the Hopi Indians in Arizona, who's English name is L. Macklin. The Indian provided the engineer with a legend which, according to both men, dovetails exactly with what Shufelt say he has found.

(Click here for full transcript of article.)

Lizard People, radio X-rays, catacombs & vaults, priceless golden tablets! Hold on! Let me get my tin foil hat and I'm there. Life is just more fun with guys like Shufelt around every now
and then.

Los Angeles Jan 30, 2012 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5569396)
:previous: That is such an amazing photograph! Good find 'Los Angeles'.

TY :) Obsession sometimes has its rewards :typing:

Quote:

Originally Posted by citywatch (Post 5569409)
2008??!! :haha:

I'm guessing the pic was taken from top of the may co bldg. the street in the foreground was permanently closed down just a few yrs ago & added to the grounds of the LA county art museum. that little house is now where one of the main bldgs of the museum is located.

the prudential sq bldg in the background was built in 1948, & the park la brea apt bldgs were finished around the same time. So the pic can't be older than from the late 1940s, probably early 1950s.

the photo is quite interesting since I didn't realize there ever was more than open land----or more than I believe 2 small display bldgs created to show some of the fossils from the tar pits----within the borders of hancock pk before the museum was built & opened in 1965.

Ahh, from the top of the May Company...of course. :tup: That must have been the house that the kid lived in that we sometimes played with, but I was never in the house itself. It had a wall around it when I knew the house. I figured it must have been a Hancock living in it, but maybe I am wrong. Anyway, I am happy to have found it :yes:

GaylordWilshire Jan 30, 2012 3:36 AM

Amazing photo, LA-- I was confused at first, looking for the 1940 May Co and seeing late '40s cars and the Prudential... but then understood that that's Ogden Drive in the foreground and not Fairfax, and that it's now gone between Wilshire & 6th. Anyway, you'll see a lot of oddly recent dates on vintage photos on the many, many photostreams online--seems to be the date the pic was uploaded, not (obviously) when it was taken....

Los Angeles Jan 30, 2012 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5569453)
Amazing photo, LA-- I was confused at first, looking for the 1940 May Co and seeing late '40s cars and the Prudential... but then understood that that's Ogden Drive in the foreground and not Fairfax, and that it's now gone between Wilshire & 6th. Anyway, you'll see a lot of oddly recent dates on vintage photos on the many, many photostreams online--seems to be the date the pic was uploaded, not (obviously) when it was taken....

Thanks GW :) I was confused at first as well and then figured it must have been Orange Grove.

Found another pic that may have been posted here before. I think I see the house in the bottom corner of the Rancho La Brea land just east of the May Company
http://www.ilovelabut.com/wp-content...rk-la-brea.jpg
I Love LA, But...
"This photo was likely taken sometime in the early 1940s when the area was cleared for the complex. Note Gilmore Stadium still stands on Gilmore Island, and you can even make out Pan Pacific Auditorium (both upper right)."
Photo seems to be from Dick Whittington


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