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ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 2:53 AM

:previous:
come on. :( :( :( :(
just drop it! PLEASE

It's been a good day on NLA. Let's keep it that way.

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tovangar2 Jul 9, 2015 3:40 AM

Tam O'Shanter Inn's neighbor, the Griffin Bar
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7088655)
I also noticed the brick building on the opposite side of Boyce Avenue.

Have we discussed this interesting looking building before? (it's vaguely familiar)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...910/dCgTJ9.jpg
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:previous: note the sign on top of the roof.

It's home to The Griffin bar.

-here are both signs in January.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/rjlpYW.jpg
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I don't think 3000 Los Feliz Blvd has come up before. I couldn't find it here and there's slim pickings on the web.

Built in 1937. Last major remodel: 1947. The Griffin Bar seems to share the building with La Strada Restaurant (?). The bricked up windows (see gsv views) look like they were done more recently than 1947. I guess the bells were installed by a previous owner b/c they don't seem to fit in with the theme.

The building is addressed on Los Feliz Blvd, but the entrance to the Griffin Bar is around the corner on Boyce:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...01725%2BPM.jpg
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I did not know that the Tam O'Shanter was called the Great Scot from 1968 (after an extensive remodel/rebuilding) until 1982 when the original name was restored.

It was news to me that it was remodeled (after a fashion) in 1947 too, at the same time as the Griffin Bar building (on the right I think):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...94513%2BPM.jpg
lapl Photograph caption dated March 31, 1947 reads,

"Arrow points to gaping hole in the roof of the Tam O'Shanter Inn. A mysterious explosion reduced this famous restaurant from elegance to ruins."

Those Who Squirm! Jul 9, 2015 6:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7088928)
Like it or not, the "old-boy network" built Los Angeles;

To be fair, though, much of what those "old-boys" built was wiped out by later generations of the same sort.

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 7:11 PM

NANCY'S again.


Here's another great slide from the 1940s looking toward Hollywood and Vine.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/AwsbRk.jpg
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This is probably the best view of Nancy's that I 've seen (as well as a nifty view of Thrifty's).

t2, there's a Chandler's in the photo too!

*hmmmm...I just noticed the Luther (Lutheran?) Service Center sign at far right. (was this like an USO organization?)





This past January, we had numerous posts about Nancy's...starting with this post by Martin_Turnball (with a great description of the interior of Nancy's)
Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 6868117)
Has anyone here heard of or come across a women's department store called "Nancy's of Hollywood"? I've been contacted by someone who is trying to find more information on it.

Here's what she had to say:

I am pretty sure it was in the "heart of Hollywood." I can still clearly remember the goldfish pool. It was rectangular, set in a patio of concrete. The "patio" was also rectangle, a little larger than the pool, with walls all around, except the one with the glass door from the store which opened onto the patio. It is hard to estimate size from the perspective of a 3 yr old, but I would say the pool was about 8x10 feet - the patio had a concrete sidewalk all around it of about 6 feet (from pool to wall.) It was lovely, with lily pads, and a couple of wrought iron chairs to sit on. My sense is that it was a "better" store….expensive, nice women's clothing.

It doesn't ring any bells with me. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

If I remember correctly, HossC located Nancy's at two different addresses.....6366 Hollywood Blvd....and later, 6340 Hollywood Blvd.

below: I believe this shows Nancy's at the 6366 address.

original posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/7bwHoH.jpg
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:previous: So am I correct in saying that Nancy's moved into the I. Magnin & Co. building (also visible in the photograph above) at 6340?

I know we've covered this, but there have been a total of 18 posts that mention Nancy's...with numerous photographs.
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Martin_Pal posted a noir image of Nancy's (at the 6366 address) from the 1937 movie Big City here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=25439

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 8:00 PM

re: The Griffin.

current view.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/6Wpm7B.jpg
gsv

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7089257)
The bricked up windows (see gsv views) look like they were done more recently than 1947. I guess the bells were installed by a previous owner b/c they don't seem to fit in with the theme.

t2, when you say bells, do you mean the bell-shaped lights that are over the bricked up windows?

-your post inspired me a to take a look at the Griffin's recent past.

September 2007
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...912/pg3JL4.jpg
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:previous: I was surprised to see that the two second-story windows are angled at the top.
The two lower window are boarded up.



May 2009
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/zhFYX4.jpg
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:previous: The boarded up windows still haven't been bricked over yet, and an awning now covers up the angled windows.

The drinking Griifin sign has been installed.




August 2011
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/NLVvyq.jpg
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:previous: The windows are now bricked over.
but the bell-shaped lights have yet to be installed (neither have the two 'lantern' lights on either side of the entrance)-refer back to the top photograph.

tovangar2 Jul 9, 2015 8:25 PM

The Griffin
 
Thank you e_r for the timeline of Griffin building photos. I momentarily forgot about gsv's great history feature. That's going to be a really incredible resource in 100 years :-)

So it was The Griffin that installed the "bells". I thought some previous owner was going for a nautical theme.

The alley end of the building (with the angled windows) looks newer (1947?) than the front part. And that paneled section (under the window), what's that covering up? There's that roof line too. I cannot figure out what purpose it was originally built for.

From Atwater Village's wiki page:

"The vast majority of the homes and structures in Atwater Village have never been demolished (although many have changed in use or have been renovated), resulting in the neighborhood having one of the highest number of structures built before 1939 in Los Angeles County."

History of Atwater Village pdf
...adds this about the Tam O'Shanter Inn:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...24310%2BPM.jpg

The same site also says the Tam O'Shanter Inn became the country's first drive-in restaurant when food began to be served on trays, which attached to one's open car window, in the parking lot (from about 1935):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...12811%2BPM.jpg
amoeba.com

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...12315%2BPM.jpg
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Montgomery's Chanticleer Inn:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...14401%2BPM.jpg
water & power

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...14627%2BPM.jpg
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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7089884)
t2, there's a Chandlers in the photo too!

Yes, they were everywhere, but always "nice". Great atmosphere and selection. I think it was actually a national chain.

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 8:29 PM

Various aerial views from the 1980s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/en6jFo.jpg
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/a11ae9.jpg
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:previous: At lower left, is that a pedestrian bridge over r.r. tracks?






Universal Studios / Universal Amphitheater
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/UGEzQy.jpg
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Universal Studio and Tours
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/iVFpnB.jpg
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Warner Brothers Studio
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/7tV180.jpg
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Union Station, downtown.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/72sxPH.jpg
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Magic Mountain, Valencia CA
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/aLCklF.jpg
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:previous: That wooden rollercoaster is amazing.

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 10:00 PM

"Ducommun 'since 1849' Los Angeles CA" (no address given)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/wP2iRj.jpg
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...907/uLWf5a.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...633/AkPUHG.jpg
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Martin Pal Jul 9, 2015 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7089989)
Various aerial views from the 1980s.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/a11ae9.jpg
eBay

:previous: At lower left, is that a pedestrian bridge over r.r. tracks?

E_R, the Sheraton-Universal Hotel is on a very steep hillside and there are many paved drainage ditches to catch the run-off and keep it from flooding particular areas and I believe that's what you are looking at. Not that they've been used lately!

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 10:49 PM

:previous: If that bridge is still there, you can't see it today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/Ud8P46.png
google_earth

Martin Pal Jul 9, 2015 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 7089095)
http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...anuo1_1280.jpg
That kid on the left with the curly hair looks like he's only 16 or 17 years old.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7089195)
He might be! My grandfather, a Hollywood kid, went in the Navy in early 1945 when he was 17. His correct birthdate 9-1-27 is on his papers so he didn't lie about his age. They were recruiting at his high school (Fairfax). He never did get his diploma.

I feel we tend to think the guys who fight in wars are older because 1.) we want to, but, also, 2.) because of World War II Hollywood films that star older actors like John Wayne, who was 38 in 1945, or Cary Grant, who was 41 in 1945. Or the guys who always seemed older in the Combat TV series. Real life World War II Navy volunteers who became Hollywood actors when they got out, Tony Curtis and Rock Hudson, were 20 years old in 1945 when the war ended, for example.

I remember an acquaintance who served in Vietnam had seen the film Platoon when it came out and I asked him his opinion and he said, "It was really good, but I remember everyone being so young, just kids, not like the actors in the film.

Last year there was a WWII film out called Fury and they make a big deal about a character played by Logan Lerman as being really young. And he was probably 21 when he filmed it, but in reality I bet most of that platoon in Fury would have been around his age, give or take a few years. In the film Memphis Belle, some of the pilots in it are 19 years old.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7089195)
There's a nice coffee table book with lots of really lovely buddy pictures called At Ease: Navy Men of WWII


There's also another one titled: Men of WWII: Fighting Men at Ease, by the same author.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7089195)
This handsome sailor and his date are at Waldorf Cellar, 521 S. Main. I sure hope he made it home safe and got offered a movie contract.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/521smain.jpg
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This reminded me of a soldier who did eventually get a Hollywood movie contract.

http://www.americainwwii.com/images/...hyheadshot.jpgAmerica in WWII

The most decorated soldier of World War II! How old does he look?

The following info is condensed and paraphrased from an article HERE, which is well worth reading for an overview of this man's life:

Audie Murphy tried to enlist in the Marines as well as the paratroopers, but they wouldn't have him. He finally enlisted in the infantry at age 18, but his Commanders tried to keep him from combat, suggesting they could get him posted as a clerk or a baker. But he wanted to fight. It was, perhaps, a reaction to a poverty filled childhood and being one of nine surviving children. When he was 16 his father just walked out of their lives and he lost his mother a year later as the family was broken up, the oldest on their own and three younger sent to an orphanage.

Audie Murphy became the most decorated soldier of WWII. He was on the cover of LIFE Magazine in 1945 and, after reading the article, James Cagney invited him to Hollywood, put Murphy up for a time in his Hollywood home and provided him with acting classes, but after two years, the country’s most decorated soldier was broke and living above a gymnasium.

Around this time he met David McClure, a fellow Texan and army man who was working as an assistant to Hollywood gossip columnist Hedda Hopper. They became friends and together wrote Audie's story in a well received book titled, "To Hell and Back." McClure came to realize that Audie could hardly have been more different from the Audie portrayed in the LIFE magazine story. While the two men worked together on To Hell And Back, Murphy told McClure about an Italian family in Rome that had invited him to dinner one day. Murphy said that before dinner he seduced the two daughters, and afterward, for good measure, he seduced the mother. “Audie seduced more girls than any man I ever knew with the possible exception of Errol Flynn,” McClure said. “He might even have topped Flynn.”

Because of his film connections, McClure helped him get movie roles, starting in 1949. Murphy remained clear-eyed about his abilities. “You must remember I’m working under a handicap,” Murphy told the director in his self-deprecating way. “No talent.”

He made mostly B-Westerns, never able to break out of that, with one exception: playing himself in a film version of his autobiography, "To Hell and Back." (When he was only 30-31, but 10-12 years older than when it took place.) It was a huge success and remained Universal's highest grossing film for twenty years, until Jaws came out in 1975.

http://www.westernclippings.com/imag...udiemurphy.jpgWestern Clippings Gallery
Caption: Audie Murphy (second from left) clowns around with some crew members between
scenes of “Showdown” at Universal Studios. Film released in '63.


His personal life leaned decidedly toward the noirish, ending up being killed in a plane crash in 1971. At 47.

Some quotes attributed to Audie Murphy:

I'm strong. I'm too tough for this town [Hollywood]. I won't let it break my heart. I won't let it break me. I'll fight it to the finish. I just wish it was a fight I knew how to fight.

I can't ever remember being young in my life.

Said about him:

In him, we all recognized the straight, raw stuff, uncut and fiery as the day it left the still. Nobody wanted to be in his shoes, but nobody wanted to be unlike him, either.

First wife, Wanda Hendrix: He had horrible nightmares and slept with a gun under his pillow.
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Here are the known homes of Audie Murphy in Los Angeles:

http://www.audiemurphy.com/img/place...14_450x411.jpgGoogle/Audie Murphy Places

4427 Melbourne Avenue, Hollywood, California. In a letter dated September 12, 1946, to the Cawthons of Celeste, Texas,
Audie Murphy reported that he was living at this residence. House is reported to have been built in 1909. (The address
indicates the house is in (or near) the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles.


http://www.audiemurphy.com/img/place...14_450x356.jpgEva Dano/Audie Murphy Places

6233 Orion Avenue, Van Nuys, California. Home of Audie Murphy from 1953 until 1956.
Audie is with his second wife (Pamela Archer) and one of his sons, Terry or James. He
was first married for a few months to an aspiring starlet, Wanda Hendrix.


http://www.audiemurphy.com/img/place...14_450x310.jpgAudie Murphy Places

4201 Toluca Road, North Hollywood, California. Residence from 1956-1971.
Purchased in 1956 by Audie Murphy.

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 11:23 PM

:previous: -very interesting post M_P. I didn't know Audie Murphy was killed in an airplane crash. (and at such an early age :()



'mystery' house, Santa Monica

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/lKtnkG.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/C5XuPf.jpg
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"No Stairs In This House"
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ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2015 11:34 PM

Holland Inn, 716 E. Whittier Blvd. (U.S. Highway 101), Whittier Calif.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/NxvYk9.jpg
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"visit our kitchen - all women employees - 100% state health examinations"








I couldn't find 716 E. Whittier Blvd. but I noticed this nice looking place at 800 E. Whittier Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/hUuJRQ.jpg
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T308 Jul 10, 2015 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7090109)
"Ducommun 'since 1849' Los Angeles CA" (no address given)
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4890 S Alameda St, Vernon, CA 90058-2806

It's still there. Ducommun moved out some time ago.

pwrof3 Jul 10, 2015 12:23 AM

Hey! This thread made the news! (Sorry if this has been posted already. Did not see it on current page.)

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2015/0...ield_house.php

Martin Pal Jul 10, 2015 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7089884)
Here's another great slide from the 1940s looking toward Hollywood and Vine.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/AwsbRk.jpg
eBay

This is probably the best view of Nancy's that I 've seen (as well as a nifty view of Thrifty's).

t2, there's a Chandlers in the photo too!

*hmmmm...I just noticed the Luther (Lutheran?) Service Center sign at far right. (was this like an USO organization?)

Lots of soldiers in uniform from these 1940's color slides, but I haven't seen any sailors...?

Here's some b&w photos of this corner at different times:

1939
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-219.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs

1965
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-314.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs

1972
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-420.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs

1976
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-500.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs

1979, just east of Ivar
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-564.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs
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A few other search terms: Hollywood Blvd. at Ivar
Broadway-Hollywood
Lerner Shops
Chandler's Shoes
Furs by Mannis
Leed's
Hi-Rite Drugs
Victoria Discount
Sir George's Smorgasbord

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2015 12:44 AM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/wP2iRj.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by T308 (Post 7090255)
:previous: 4890 S Alameda St, Vernon, CA 90058-2806

It's still there. Ducommun moved out some time ago.


Thanks for your help T308! Here's the Ducommun Co. building as it looks today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/OLi9h9.jpg
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design-wise, this place is pretty impressive.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/RSjcDm.jpg
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Back in 2007 it was green.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/jvUQMF.jpg


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CityBoyDoug Jul 10, 2015 1:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal;7090196

[B
James Cagney[/B] invited him to Hollywood, put Murphy up for a time in his Hollywood home and provided him with acting classes, but after two years, the country’s most decorated soldier was broke and living above a gymnasium.

http://www.westernclippings.com/imag...udiemurphy.jpgWestern Clippings Gallery
Caption: Audie Murphy (second from left) clowns around with some crew members between
scenes of “Showdown” at Universal Studios. Film released in '63.


His personal life leaned decidedly toward the noirish, ending up being killed in a plane crash in 1971. At 47.

Thanks Martin for the post on Audie Murphy.

May I add the following tidbits.

It was no mere accident that Audie Murphy was living at James Cagney's home in Hollywood. Cagney has always been considered a closet gay man, as was the style in those days. Many researchers also consider Audie at least bi-sexual, especially when alcohol was involved in a social setting.

Also, many film directors said that Audie was difficult to work with on the movie set. If there was a fight scene, Audie wanted it to be a real fight...not a Hollywood stunt scene. The insurance companies didn't like that.

Was Audie Murphy an American war hero? You bet and a darn good one!

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ProphetM Jul 10, 2015 1:39 AM

Mark your calendar.
 
For those of you interested, I just received a mailer from the Southwestern Law School announcing this year's open house of Bullocks Wilshire. It will be happening on Sunday, August 2. Start times begin at 10:30am in half-hour increments to 1pm. The cost is $25.

The required reservations will be taken beginning on July 15 at 10am, by calling 213-738-6814. Reservations close at 6pm on July 30. Free parking on-site.

I went to the open house last year with my daughter and it is really an amazing place. The start times are mainly just a way of keeping a handle on the number of visitors; you are free to roam about the place after checking in.

Here are a few pics I took last year...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...2/DSC02233.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2/DSC02074.JPG
1929 mural "The Spirit of Transportation" by Herman Sachs, on the ceiling of the porte cochere.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...2/DSC02093.JPG
"The Spirit of Sports" by Gjura Stojano, in the former women's sportswear department.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2/DSC02186.JPG
the Tea Room, restored to its original splendor.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...2/DSC02199.JPG
A 5th floor private dining room.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...2/DSC02225.JPG
John Bullock's office, now the Southwestern Law School dean's office.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t...2/DSC02238.JPG
The 5th floor garden/patio adjacent to John Bullock's office.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...2/DSC02155.JPG
The Louis XVI room, second floor, used for special events.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...2/DSC02169.JPG
La Directoire/French Room, adjacent to the Louis XVI Room.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...2/DSC02249.JPG
4th floor hall and elevator lobby.

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2015 2:20 AM

:previous: Oh my ProphetM, your interior photographs of Bullocks Wilshire are wonderful.

If I were in the area I'd go on this tour. It's defiantly worth $25.


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