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CityBoyDoug Feb 17, 2014 4:52 AM

A sad noir story....

Originally Posted by Ninja55 (Post 6455548)

ER certainly posted a true noir splash with his Navarro story.

Ramon Navarro and his last meal...fried chicken gizzards that were prepared by his secretary. Ramon had penchant for rent boys who were supplied by procurers. These young men were usually delivered to his home like a Candy-gram. He was never known to frequent public places in search of ''entertainment''.

His home was bought by a Navarro fan who was later killed by the fan's brother. The house has since been demolished. [ the photo above is Ramon wearing a dark coat.] recipes

CityBoyDoug Feb 17, 2014 4:58 AM


Wait a minute, wait a minute. Is that Howdy Doody they are watching on TV?

That's going too far...even for me.
Let's just hope that David has saved the day, and that is a White Russian he has on the table behind him...not a glass of milk.

I suspect that was Sheriff John or Engineer Bill of kid TV fame in Los Angeles circa 1950s. Remember Engineer Bill's game of Red Light...Green Light?

Flyingwedge Feb 17, 2014 10:03 AM

Zelda and her neighbors

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5107910)
all these ebay glass images are amazing E_R!

in this image, the zelda is the big apartment building at top center, (located at grand and 4th). the tower poking up behind the zelda is the brunson mansion. The front facade of the brunson is visible just to the right of the zelda. across the street from the zelda to the right is the rose mansion. Simply amazing photographs


Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5108637)
Simply amazing is right; what I find fascinating about this one is -- there's the Zelda top center, and below it down Grand, that big low white building is the Granada, and then there's what looks like some demo remains. Wellll those're the foundations poured in the '90s, the ones people bitched and moaned about until the Sherwood was built on that spot in 1912 (read a bit about those at the beginning of this here ) and to finally see a photograph rather than a colored/postcard image (like on the great A Visit to Old Los Angeles) is something else...

(I'm sorry, who doesn't get preternaturally excited looking at pictures of abandoned Victorian foundations?)

I checked through the thread but I didn't find any closer photos of the Zelda, on the SW corner of 4th and Grand, or the Granada, two doors to the south.

First, two pre-Zelda photos of 4th and Grand from March 1890. It looks to me like the same people wearing the same clothes are in both photos, although the angle of the roof on that little building (house?) certainly looks different. The first photo looks south, and the other sort of northwest:
Huntington Digital Library --

Across the street is the top of the Brunson Mansion at the NW corner of 4th and Grand:
Huntington Digital Library --

The Brunson Mansion, c. 1880-96:
USC Digital Library --

Here's the 1921 Baist map of the area (the Engstrum was originally the Westonia?). There appears to be a 12-foot-wide alley, or at least right-of-way, between Grand and Hope, north of 5th for most of the block:
HistoricMapWorks --

Here is a 1930 view of the roughly the same area as the Baist map. The Edison building is being built on the right edge of the photo; we see the side and rear of the Granada and the Zelda to the left of the steel framework. Just above the framework on the SE corner of 4th and Grand is the L. J. Rose Mansion. The Rubaiyat on Hope Street is a bit unusual with its many large windows and shutters. Note the garage on Hope (3rd building up from the corner); it looks a little low, although I guess there's an entrance there but maybe the alley in back was used also:
USC Digital Library --

That garage was replaced by the Edison Annex, seen here in April 1931:
Huntington Digital Library --

And now, without further ado, here's Zelda!
Huntington Digital Library --

The Granada (both Zelda and Granada photos taken April 19, 1912):
Huntington Digital Library --

gsjansen posted a different photo of the Brunson, a photo of the Rose, and photos of other mansions nearby, here:

MichaelRyerson Feb 17, 2014 3:00 PM
The lost foundations of 431 South Grand Avenue, ca.1910

A man test driving the Lansden Electric truck on Grand Avenue in Los Angeles. The electric truck is interesting enough in its own right but here he's passing the abandoned foundation work at 431 S. Grand Avenue which, by this time, had been at this spot for nearly twenty years drawing the ire of the neighbors. Not to worry, the Sherwood is about to go up on this site and these apparently lovely stonework foundations will be reduced to dust. Also of note, still more paving bricks. Peeking up in the background the top of the Engstrum.

Southern California Edison Photographs and Negatives, Huntington Digital Archive
The lost foundations of 431 South Grand Avenue, ca.1910 (2)

A man test driving the Lansden Electric truck on Grand Avenue in Los Angeles. Now headed north on Grand Avenue approaching the southeast corner of the unfinished foundation work at 431 S. Grand. Here we get an unusually good view of the Engstrum under construction placing this image maybe a little later than 1910. Sign on truck reads 'Lansdan Electric' superimposed over 'Edison Batteries'. Great image.

Southern California Edison Photographs and Negatives, Huntington Digital Archive
The lost foundations of 431 South Grand Avenue, ca.1910 (3)

A man test driving the Lansden Electric truck on Grand Avenue in Los Angeles. And one last look at our electric truck road test (I'm sure the grade was the point) passing the abandoned construction at 431 S. Grand Avenue. In this shot we get another glimpse of the Engstrum plus the added attraction of the spire on the State Normal School.

Southern California Edison Photographs and Negatives, Huntington Digital Archive

ethereal_reality Feb 17, 2014 5:10 PM

:previous: I never thought I'd see a close-up of the long abandoned foundation at 431 S. Grand.
Thanks to both Flyingwedge for the Zelda photograph, and of course MichaelRyerson. Really remarkable stuff guys.

Chuckaluck Feb 17, 2014 5:30 PM


Originally Posted by Oviatt Building Fan (Post 6201403)
Right. And Greenblatt's first moved into that building in 1940 or '41. For the previous two years, Greenblatt's had been located one block east of it. F. Scott Fitzgerald's last "meal" --a chocolate bar-- allegedly came from Greenblatt's.

This was allegedly when he was living at Sheila Graham's apartment at 1443 North Hayworth Ave. He allegedly suffered a previous heart attack at nearby Schwab's.

1443 N. Hayworth

Undated photo of FSF. Could the location have been the Ambassador?

Then there is the Garden of Allah and Colonial House connection.

Broderick Crawford visits the Colonial House (1416 Havenhurst Drive) in the '54 film, "Down Three Dark Streets."




The Colonial House

For all the time Fitzgerald spent in LA, surprised there aren't many photos of him with LA backgrounds.

Undated, LA location (?)

Chuckaluck Feb 17, 2014 5:53 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6443385)
an astonishing view of the set from Ben-Hur. August 18, 1925 (under construction)

The enormous chariot race arena was constructed at what is now the intersection of La Cienega and San Vicente Boulevards.

photographer's stamp on the aerial photograph (there's one on the front as well, lower left hand corner)


Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5905652)

Fascinating amusement complex at Ocean Park, circa 1914.

Interesting early history of the park:

Safe to say "Ben Hur's" popularity is not to be under estimated.;)

Chuckaluck Feb 17, 2014 6:08 PM


Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5905577)

The effects of L.A.'s urbanization on those gates is sad...

Clockwise: Wilshire east gate; Wilshire west; Olympic east, Olympic west. Not much can be done about Wilshire, but if the Fremont Place Association would be kind enough to do a little trimming around the motor and pedestrian gates on the Olympic side, we might have a feel of what these precincts looked like when first built.

Despite the gates, today the development doesn't have quite the same appeal as Windsor Square or Hancock Park just to the north. While celebrity occupants have attracted some interest, there have never really been any distinctive houses in Fremont Place--two that were distinctive are gone, and their interest lay mostly in that they'd been moved to the development. These were the Drake house and the Aronson house.

Mary Pickford and her mother rented #56 (still standing) at one point; Charlotte Pickford bought #129 in 1920, which also still stands, close to the Olympic end:

AND, last but not least, a little Fremont NOIR is here.

[Unidentified] house on Fremont Place, circa '20

Chuckaluck Feb 17, 2014 6:12 PM

117 Fremont Place, circa '32

GaylordWilshire Feb 17, 2014 6:40 PM


Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6456112)

That is the house still standing at the nw corner of Fremont Place West (originally designated Westerly Drive) and 8th Street:

I might have some notes on it, but I'm not near them at the moment....


Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6456122)

As for 117 Fremont Place--it, along with its pool, also still stands:

Sonny☼LA Feb 17, 2014 6:45 PM

Harold Raymond Chrysler-Plymouth

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6062663)

Harold V. Raymond Chrysler-Plymouth. 120 S. Alameda and 1112 N. Long Beach Blvd., Compton.

Unless they were moved, neither structure seems to have survived.:(

date unknown

"USED CARS STOP" A not-so-subtle message to buy new?
date unknown

date unknown. Bonneville, UT.

Little update on the Harold Raymond Chrysler dealer at 120 S. Alameda in Compton. Looks like the funky porthole building survives!
-Google Maps Street View

Seems Alameda Thrift & New Furniture decided not to emulate the creative crossword signage of Raymond & Co. That woulda been tough.

Chuckaluck Feb 17, 2014 7:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ninja55 (Post 6455558)

Better to appreciate singing with sound. :whistle:

ethereal_reality Feb 17, 2014 7:44 PM

:previous: Bert sounds great! I didn't realize his last name was pronounced Ro-Ver-Ree.


Originally Posted by Sonny☼LA (Post 6456174)

Very interesting find Sonny_LA. thx for posting.

Martin Pal Feb 17, 2014 7:53 PM


Originally Posted by Oviatt Building Fan (Post 6201403)
Right. And Greenblatt's first moved into that building in 1940 or '41. For the previous two years, Greenblatt's had been located one block east of it.

Where was it before "the previous two years?" I ask because the current location proudly lists GREENBLATT'S: Since 1926.


Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6456037)
For all the time [F. Scott] Fitzgerald spent in LA, I'm surprised there aren't many photos of him with LA backgrounds.

I've thought that, too. When we think of him (and Dorothy Parker, who lived on Norma Place in West Hollywood) it's usually a New York reference. Probably because of "The Great Gatsby" and the Algonquin Round Table, but both spent many years here in Los Angeles.

I don't know if there's any film footage of either of those two, but I loved the way Tom Hiddleston (Loki in "Thor") played him in "Midnight in Paris."

Tourmaline Feb 17, 2014 8:49 PM

Anyone spare a dime?

147 E 51 Street.

Dodge Cash Register CO., LA - From Ebay$_57.JPG?rt=nc$_57.JPG?rt=nc$_57.JPG$_57.JPG$_57.JPG?rt=nc$_57.JPG?rt=nc

Tourmaline Feb 17, 2014 8:51 PM

321 W Pico. Ed Matlby's - Get your bearings there!$_57.JPG$_57.JPG

AlvaroLegido Feb 17, 2014 8:58 PM

Paris/Texas/Los Angeles
Does anyone know where is located the house where lives Travis' brother, his French wife and Travis' son in « Paris Texas » by Wim Wenders ? It's up on a steep hill and it's noisy because of the airport in the distance.

Tourmaline Feb 17, 2014 9:06 PM


Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6443493)
1939 In transition. (Don't recall seeing this image on this thread before. The others, yes.


1947 USC Digital

Photo dated to '38. Maybe a little later. When did Wilshire May Co construction commence?

Westcork previously mentioned this:

Tourmaline Feb 17, 2014 9:24 PM


Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5668382)

Multiple images of an unusual log house once at 1701 West Adams (the northwest corner of Normandie). I'm not clear on whether Edwin H. Lamme built it, but he did live there in 1900. For a long time I thought it was a modest house, but the second shot reveals its true size. Lamme was a lawyer who arrived on West Adams sometime after 1897 via Indianapolis, Alhambra, and the Westminster Hotel downtown; by 1910 he was living in San Diego.

Pics: 1st & 3rd:; others, LAPL$_57.JPG$_57.JPG

Tourmaline Feb 17, 2014 9:28 PM!~~60_3.JPG!~~60_3.JPG

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