"Very much altered" indeed:

https://i.postimg.cc/nc69SJ0H/8600-Sunset.jpg
gsv; around 8600 Sunset; Sunset Plaza Drive going off to the right.

But the billboard rights were maintained...

A few items regarding the various buildings of the Los Feliz School...

https://i.postimg.cc/QdwZkb8M/latjune19-14xx-bmp.jpgLAT June 19, 1914

The Herald reported on September 8, 1914, that the building had been repaired and had just reopened. The next building replacing it would open a year later:


https://i.postimg.cc/KzcFpYMq/LATOct31-15-bmp.jpg
LAT Oct 31, 1915


https://i.postimg.cc/KvQT00Hx/losfelizschool2-bmp.jpgLAPL


After the 1915 version was condemned following the LB quake, the LAT announced plans for the current incarnation on Aug 28, 1936....

:previous:


Los Feliz School in 1910.


https://i.imgur.com/agT6Cmw.jpg
hollywoodphotographs.com


and one year later.


https://i.imgur.com/s0DW7Gu.jpg
hollywoodphotographs.com

:previous: Great photographs of the Los Feliz School!

Thanks for the follow-ups corriganville.....GW.....Noir Noir. did I miss anyone?
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Flash Forward to 1967

And now for something completely different:

I ran across this bit of ephemera a long time ago.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/gXqLWJ.jpg
worthpoint (?)

Scary times in L.A.


search words: Steve McQueen - Solar Productions - LeMans - Edward Rubin - 6380 Wilshire Boulevard - William Maher - Oct. 17, 1970.

1934, Jackie Cooper villa, Beverly Hills
https://i.imgur.com/Pg8ksek.png

Wearing seaweed must have been a thing.
 

Chilly day at the beach. ;) ...& more seaweed.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/zxULEy.jpg
old file

Los Angeles, Calif. [unnamed beach] -no date




The two men wearing seaweed had initials on their rented swimwear. -that's not the case here.


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Main Street Gym #1
 

Shown above is Turn Halle, aka the Turn-Verein Germania Building, at 321 S. Main. Its cornerstone was laid on October 22, 1893.
You can see it here on the 1894 Sanborn Map at 319-21-23 S. Main.


In 1926 the building became home to the Main Street Athletic Club, aka the Main Street Gym.


This photo of the gym is undated, but I'd guess it was from the mid- to late-40s and certainly no later than February 3, 1951:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...ps7jtpe2qu.jpg

UCLA/Islandora/Los Angeles Daily News Negatives



Balcony ad close-up:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pskouvp1zk.jpg




February 5, 1951, Los Angeles Times:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps56clnmd5.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps27wfc9pl.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL



This post-fire photo of the Main Street Gym looks in the opposite direction from the previous photo. The May 21, 1951,
demolition permit for 319-25 S. Main notes that the structure is 30% fire damaged:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psjkjhqz1c.jpg

00028200 at LA Public Library



On July 27, 1951, as the Turn-Verein Germania Building was being torn down, some workers opened the building's cornerstone
and then the memorabilia-filled iron box inside the cornerstone. I wonder if they found anything unusual in the box . . .

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7ffe4k8q.jpg

EXM-N-9265-005~1 at USC Digital Library


. . . like maybe a singing frog?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psk1d0fqov.jpg

Screen Cap from One Froggy Evening (Directed by Charles M. Jones, Warner Bros., 1955) at dailymotion.com

:previous: Excellent post FlyingWedge.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/heILlH.jpg

I used the date on the cornerstone, Oct. 22, 1893, and found this.

Los Angeles Herald - Oct. 22, 1893
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bdRBAG.jpg


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/VMZHU4.jpg

Found in the Los Angeles Herald, Oct. 22, 1893


Sorry, but there's no mention of the items that were placed inside the stone.

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I am also trying to figure out what the thing is.. to the left of the Gruen clock.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/EcBotX.jpg
detail / whole pic HERE





It looks like a little fortune teller's table.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/CaacAV.jpg
detail

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More slides have surfaced of the 1969 construction of the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services at 313 N Figueroa Street.

The location was first figured out by Hoss using an earlier slide. Check it out HERE



This first slide (of the new batch) has a great view of the Union Oil Building.



#1
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/JDDkqg.jpg
EBAY





A more expansive view looking south/southwest. As you can see, it also includes the Union Oil Building.

#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/bHYt2j.jpg
EBAY






I'm not exactly sure what we're looking at here.

#3
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Z2Djbq.jpg
EBAY






In this final view I believe we are looking east. ...or is it west.


#4
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xkjki0.jpg
EBAY



A CLOSER LOOK...........East or West?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/UENDWJ.jpg
detail

you figure it out. I've got to make dinner. ;)

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Could it be a bell triggered by the clock to end rounds?

By the way, I'm caught up! I've been pages behind (for several months) and immensely enjoying the adventures of the merry band of LA Noirishers. My before bed, while slurping Rooibos tea, treat and sleeping aid. Hat's off to you all!

https://www.ocado.com/productImages/...740d49ec32e1f0

Here ya go, e_r (all images LATimes via ProQuest via CSULB Library):

https://i.postimg.cc/jdzYL0mC/CornerstoneA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5HkxPTS/CornerstoneC.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/bvw7CGJ2/CornerstoneB.jpg

Glasser Bros. Bail Bonds
 

The poster for Glasser Bros. Bail Bonds shows they were down the street. They are still in business to this day by the way. They were a very early bonding company and catered to the Mickey Cohen mob and other well to do clients in need of bail.

What else could it be ?
 

Your deduction seems the most appropriate.

The article posted by Odin says there's a ''heavy Mexican population in LA in that period".

Today in 2019, LA is the largest Spanish speaking city in the world.

Thanks so much for finding the contents of the cornertone odinthor.



That makes a lot more sense than my miniature fortune teller's table. ;)

Take a look at the bell clock in this image, circa 1962.

LOS ANGELES, CA - OCTOBER, 1962
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LsyZOB.jpg
getty

"Cassius Clay, doing some foot work in the ring at the Main Street Gym preparing for his bout against Archie Moore, October, 1962."




Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ZzEwqT.jpg
detail

It's the boxing bell, right?


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:previous: This particular clock is missing by 1976.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/HiRIrw.jpg
latimesblog


hmm....note how the electrical wires run over to the door. (security alarm?)



So where is this practice boxing area in relation to the LARGE HALL in FW's photograph....below it?
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re: looking for Elizabeth Short/Black Dahlia in vintage photographs..
Thanks for the information BDiH. I appreciate it.

hmm...so when did Elizabeth Short move to Los Angeles?
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Nevermind: I just found this.

blackdahlia.web says Ms. Short moved to Los Angeles in Mid-1943. (is this date wrong?)

So since there's been some talk recently about the Main St Gym at the Turner Halle, thought I'd mention it was by Capitain & Krempel. I took a screen grab of when I'd included it in a Powerpoint about LA's Romanesque past and then screenshot those other instances of Capitain/Krempel's inclusions therein just for fun, because that's literally my idea of fun. Threw it all on the desktop and it came out like so:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7862/...56e4fd40_h.jpg

My grandmother went to school in the teens. She told me the boys were allowed to go without shoes but the girls weren't

My grandmother went to school in the teens and told me that boys were allowed to go to school without their shoes, but the girls weren't

"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello MY RAGTIME GAL!

I will take a shot at the mystery object. TVG was a hall. Probably more of an auditorium than a full blown theater. I'd guess the archway with the bail bondsmen ad was the stage. The object near the ceiling was either a hoist for raising or lowering lights, sets, or such or a counterweight. If you magnify the object, it looks like there is a beam above 2 doors. That's my guess and I'm not totally satisfied with it.

Does anyone know how to delete a post?

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"Send me a kiss by wire, baby my heart's on fire!"

Ah, memories of watching Looney Tunes growing up...
:haha:

Does anyone know how to delete quick replies? I've search GOOGLE and VBULLETINS and I don't have an answer.

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The line between the school house light and the drop cord may be a pull chain for the school house light canopy switch. It was common to have pull chain switches on ceiling lights in the day. The string may be to operate the switch or most likely a way to hang a light weight sign for customers to read. The chain looks like it's attached to the plate holding the drop cord. The plate for the drop cord may be a device for attaching drop cords to knob and tube wiring or a duplex outlet. My guess is the drop cord light was a non elegant way to get more light at the counter rather than a replacement for the school house light. The bulb must have glared like crazy.

As far as I know, it's not possible to delete a post, only its contents (I dare say that the site admins could do it).

Don't forget that you can edit a post as often as you like, so there's no need to add extra posts. Why not find something else interesting to post about and edit it into your deleted post :).

There's a pretty good bit about Our Friend the Frog at the end of the comments here.

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166...e532e6f8_o.gif

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524...07cfbbb1_o.gif

Correct Hoss. But in spite of all that, many of my posts have been deleted by someone. Maybe it was Oliver...seen below.>>>

https://media.giphy.com/media/iLASPzhoJy85G/giphy.gif
rst

Here are two 'trick' photographs that I don't believe we have seen.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/RPqnRz.jpg
old file / CALIFBOY101 flickr


As you can see, by looking at the background, the two ladies are on Santa Monica beach.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/4X8fm3.jpg
old file / CALIFBOY101 flickr

Pretty good trick!

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Thank you for your fast response. You are right. If VBulletin does not allow us to delete, posting something else would work.

Main Street Gym #2
 

Thanks for posting those images of Main Street Gym #2, e_r. Here is another (undated) shot:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pskmjgkbvf.jpg

00028196 at LA Public Library



Main Street Gym #2 was at 318-1/2 S. Main Street, in the (1911?) Adolphus Theatre building:



Here is the same building in 1974, with "MAIN STREET GYM" in the second-floor windows. The parking entrance is at center
under the old theater marquee; the gym entrance is just to the left of that and to the right of the MEXICO LUGGAGE sign:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psihfevkdg.jpg

00015199 at LA Public Library



The November 13, 1952, Los Angeles Times notes that "The new Olympic gym opened its doors last week at 318 1/2 S Main St."
The 1956 LA Street Address Directory lists the Olympic Gym at that address, but there are a couple Times references in 1959 to
the Main Street Gym, and by 1960 the name had officially changed.


The poster on the right is from 1969, so let's assume the photo below is from that year as well. On the awning you can still see
the P and the C from the old Olympic Gym days:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1lvq1xrv.jpg

00028199 at LA Public Library



The October 5, 1970, Daily Trojan has an article on the Main Street Gym, including information on the original location. The article
has photos of the gym and its owner, Howie Steindler. The Times ran a long article on the gym on February 26, 1976, which included
e_r's 1976 photo above; the text of the article's first page is below:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psebbar6rr.jpg

ProQuest via LA Public Library


On Wednesday evening, March 9, 1977, Howie Steindler was murdered in the back seat of his own automobile:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psmdxxajat.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psevjsepvz.jpg

March 11, 1977, Los Angeles Times at ProQuest via LA Public Library



Sportswriter Jim Murray wrote about Steindler the same day:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7hfo3u9r.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5kdznctm.jpg

March 11, 1977, Los Angeles Times at ProQuest via LA Public Library


On February 15, 1978, the Times reported that Steindler's widow had received his wallet in the mail the previous December.
However, the case is still unsolved.


Steindler's daughter Carol ran the gym until the Adolphus Theatre building was torn down in late 1984. She then operated
another "Main Street Gym" behind the Olympic Auditorium for a short time until that gym was also demolished.

Thank you FW for the C O R R E C T I O N.

I had completely forgotten about the 2nd location in the Adolphus Theatre building.


Opened as the Panorama* Theater, it became the Adolphus Theater from November 27, 1911 when it was taken over by Adolph Ramash after alterations had been made to the plans of architectural firm Mayberry & Parker. Seating was provided for 1,450, all on a single level together with 12 seats in each of the single boxes located at the side of the proscenium. The stage was 50ft deep. It was the largest of the theatres on Main Street in the downtown area of Los Angeles. In 1913 a 700-seat balcony was added, with plans provided by architect Otto Janssen and it reopened as the Hippodrome Theatre on August 31, 1913.

After closing, the auditorium was demolished in September & October 1952 and the space used for parking. The front of the building remained for many years, housing a gymnasium. It, too, has been demolished.

cinematreasures




*The Panorama was originally a skating rink?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/VTKHlM.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/iJb6Wm.jpg


go to los angeles herald, may 10 1906

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3 MONTHS LATER

Masquerade in July. (sounds fitting since the music director is Frankenstein ;))


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/PjfZAy.jpg

go to los angeles herald, july 30, 1906

Frankenstein is mentioned in the previous article.

mystery location.


"TARZAN MOVIE CHIMPANZEE ACTOR CHEETAH "JIGGS" w TENNIS GIRL~ 1930s VINTAGE PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/zQ81mo.jpg
EBAY

I believe we have seen this 'run down' tennis court before. (I'm searching for the old post / no cheetah in that one)




And what does "Jiggs" have to do with the photo?


This is the only Jiggs I know.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/XceauW.jpg
EBAY

Cheetah's real name was Jiggs. At least 'original' Cheetah's (Cheeta) was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeta

I wonder how Cheetah's backhand was?

I heard he was pretty good.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/iYM8QK.jpg






















note: that is not cheetah

I don't believe we have talked about Catalina John's at 5467 Wilshire Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/MtUPUH.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/r6Qiog.jpg
EBAY



inside cover
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ZBNIGF.jpg

It only makes sense that there was one on Catalina as well.

Does anyone know the address of the one in Avalon? (I believe the address is hidden behind the matches)



Was skyscraperpage offline for anyone else today? it put me in a dither.

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Yes, offline for me, too

Thx Kitty.

Here's another place I don't recall.

It has a fancy schmancy cut-out. ooh la la

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/uQ3EmA.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/Ne83pW.jpg
EBAY

And, what appears to be, a tree growing through the canopy. (hmmm...unless the canopy is detached from the building) ...enquiring minds want to know. ; >)



As you can see, it also has a very cool martini glass printed on the matches.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zz2WzF.jpg

call
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/MD5GV8.jpg

Why two different pre-fixes?



search purposes: the castle restaurant. 828 s. robertson blvd.

enigmatic mystery location.



"Dance Party LA 1923."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bQ2z3F.jpg
DENSHO

Caption on reverse: "Little Tokyo, Los Angeles 1923. 'Dance Party.'

Caption by Ike Hatchimonji I believe he is the person the arrow is pointing to.

Unless I'm mistaken, the photograph was taken on the upper floor of an old house in 'Little Tokyo'.

Photographer: Ninomiya L.A.


Does anyone idea where this might have been taken?

...or know where Ike Hatchimonji lived around 1923? Of course this location isn't necessarily his home. (but it would be a good place to start searching)
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I just noticed the flying fish inside the Catalina's Jack's matchbook!!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ZBNIGF.jpg

very cool.



I could have added this to my earlier post....but...it.....umm.. it...umm...didn't fit my narrative.

Two Different Prefixes
 

The place of business may have been in a deviding line for toll calls. If you lived in one area a BR may be a toll call and vice versa even though you were very close by.

I've been working in Toluca Lake recently, and noticed this building. It kinda reminds my of the old Ralph's supermarkets, with the rotunda and spanish tile roof, not to mention the rooftop sign.

The building is located at 10155 Riverside Drive, Toluca Lake.

Does anyone have the original picture of this Ralph's location (or not)?


http://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/Riverside.jpg
(GSV hosted be me)

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Your wish is my command, e_r:

https://i.postimg.cc/nhgT9Xc7/Catalina-John-s.jpg
LA Times of 6/4/1970 via ProQuest via CSULB Library.

El Galleon is at 411 Crescent Avenue (alias Front Street), as it happens adjacent to a hotel I've frequently stayed at . . . "my" room's window is consequently close by, and I get to "enjoy" the karaoke in abundance. :(

https://i.postimg.cc/W4Z8Gshy/Galleon.jpg
gsv



I was concerned to find it unavailable for . . . several hours . . . :???:

Virtual reality recreation of the Garden of Allah
 

Check out this startlingly realistic image of the Garden of Allah's main building. It was made by Kevin Kerber as part of a restoration project in which he is re-creating (from scratch!) public places and film sets and other environments around Hollywood and Los Angeles as part, I believe, of a virtual reality project he's working on.

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...05785088_o.jpg

He did one of Ciro's, too.

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...45063168_o.jpg

He has a Facebook page

Ah, front strike matchbooks:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/p...GROVE-FULL.jpg

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/p...GROVE-FULL.jpg

You could (at some risk to your thumb) strike a match one-handed with one of those. Like many young bucks of the 50's, I spent hours learning to do that. Very convenient when lighting a young lady's cigarette, left one hand free for, er, emergencies.

Then the Feds outlawed them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/m...matchbook.html

Cheers,

Earl