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ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2019 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor

Cinematic Dermatology has never been given the credit which it is due!

Neither has Cinematic Faceliftology.


BRAZIL [1985]

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HossC Jan 1, 2019 9:41 AM

I'll wish everyone a Happy New Year with a picture from 75 years ago. We've seen the Hollywood Canteen numerous times, but I think this image is new to the thread.

New Year celebration at the Hollywood Canteen. Shown is Tarawa veteran Seaman First Class Clayton Johnson, Dolores Moran and Cpl. Bing Crosby wishing everyone a Victory New Year for 1944

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...44NewYear1.jpg
LAPL

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2019 8:17 PM

:previous:


Happy New Year Hoss...now about the Canteen card--I'm not seeing Bing.... That's him on the left??

CityBoyDoug Jan 1, 2019 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8423099)
:previous:
Happy New Year Hoss...now about the Canteen card--I'm not seeing Bing.... That's him on the left??

Both of those guys appear to be random military. After all, that was what the Hollywood Canteen was all about.

Out of respect for the War effort, celebrities did not wear uniforms unless they were actually in the military.:runaway:

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 12:58 AM

HAPPY NEW NOIRISHERS

Shall we start the new year off with a MURDER. *maniacally rubs hands together*


MARCH 1960 Veronica Smith Locke found murdered.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ogmqOZ.jpg
USC

3 images. Murder, 26 March 1960. Body of Veronica Smith Locke found in warehouse at 830 Ducommun Street. ; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Olmo. Date: 1960-03-26. Reporter: Farrell. Assignment: Murder. 25: Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St. 26-27: Dep. Coroners carry out body. 28: Outside view of warehouse in which body was found."

The address is


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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...799coll44/id/1[USC







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Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St.






In 1956, Veronica Locke Smith lived in an apartment just north of Echo Park Lake. (now a parking lot)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/75X6d1.jpg
GSV

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LAPL

It appears she was separated from her husband.


I'm hoping one of you minions noirishers will be able to find some additional information.


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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 1:08 AM

ALSO TOO


Ms. Smith-Locke might have come from Owensmouth. (today's Canoga Park)


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LAPL Of course it could be a different Veronica Smith.






This church is on Winnetka Avenue...to me, it looks like it might have been a school at one point in time.

7911 WINNETKA AVE.
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That's my supposition anyway.


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HossC Jan 2, 2019 1:56 AM

:previous:

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423331)

I'm hoping one of you minions noirishers will be able to find some additional information.

Ready to help, boss!

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A quick search for Veronica Smith Locke only yielded a story about a lady being widowed in Reno several years earlier, although there are links to California (if not LA). The articles are dated July 7/8, 1953. This is from the Reno Evening Gazette. I wonder if this is the same person. Maybe someone with access to the LAT archives can help us out.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...mithLocke1.jpg
newspaperarchive.com

odinthor Jan 2, 2019 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8423381)
[...] Maybe someone with access to the LAT archives can help us out. [...]

Sorry, e_r, Hoss, all . . . I come with empty hands: Nothing pertinent in the Los Angeles Times for Veronica Smith Locke, Veronica Locke, nor Veronica Smith; indeed, nothing in the Times reported as happening on Ducommun in March, 1960. Hm! :wah:

Handsome Stranger Jan 2, 2019 4:40 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/HkNWkPxV/Locke-LBPT.jpg

[source: LAPL]

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 4:36 PM

Thanks for the follow-ups minions.
Wouldn't there be mugshots of her if she was arrested numerous times?

Dig! Dig!

*cracks whip*


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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 4:46 PM

Using the search words "Ducommun street murder" I found another murder!

.......................................................................................................................................................(two actually)
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but I don't have a date. (nor even the year) ....the way the headline is written maybe 1947?



p.s. If you click on the pinterest image it takes you to pinterest..if you click that image it takes you to....yep, pinterest.....if you click on that image it takes you to pinterest....if you...

It's like a never ending loop from hell.
:hell:


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HossC Jan 2, 2019 5:10 PM

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This article comes from the March 11, 1947 of the Madera Tribune, which is slightly strange because most sources list Evelyn Winters' death as March 12. Being so close to the murder of Elizabeth Short, her murder is mentioned on many sites. I think all the other articles say she was 42, but ages differences in these reports aren't unusual.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ynWinters1.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Evelyn's murder is covered on the 1947project.

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 5:13 PM

For newcomers to the thread.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QlnSPS.jpg
kcet

Red arrow at right points to Ducommun Street.

Complete 1956 Shell Oil map can be found at davidrumsey

Handsome Stranger Jan 2, 2019 5:45 PM

Are there any archives of vintage mugshots on the net? Not just a few select photos of famous people, but ones that include the hoi polloi as well as the beau monde?

AlvaroLegido Jan 2, 2019 5:57 PM

Beau monde
 
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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8041913)

Happy New Year from France 2019 !

HossC Jan 2, 2019 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423331)

Shall we start the new year off with a MURDER. *maniacally rubs hands together*

MARCH 1960 Veronica Smith Locke found murdered.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ogmqOZ.jpg
USC

3 images. Murder, 26 March 1960. Body of Veronica Smith Locke found in warehouse at 830 Ducommun Street. ; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Olmo. Date: 1960-03-26. Reporter: Farrell. Assignment: Murder. 25: Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St. 26-27: Dep. Coroners carry out body. 28: Outside view of warehouse in which body was found."

As you can see from the partial sign, 830 Ducommun St was previously home to Armor Paper Products Co Inc. Despite the Ducommun address, the warehouse actually backed onto the river. I've arrowed it in this 1958 view. The building was almost literally in the shadow of the gasometers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0Ducommun1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Snix Jan 2, 2019 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8421944)
Harold Gates, mystery location. (with Laura?)

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Ebay

Does anyone recognize this place?

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Yes! That is the campanile from the Agua Caliente resort in Old Mexico. It was designed by Wayne McAllister in 1928.
https://www.amazon.com/Leisure-Archi.../dp/1586856995

Beaudry Jan 2, 2019 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8423752)
:previous:

This article comes from the March 11, 1947 of the Madera Tribune, which is slightly strange because most sources list Evelyn Winters' death as March 12. Being so close to the murder of Elizabeth Short, her murder is mentioned on many sites. I think all the other articles say she was 42, but ages differences in these reports aren't unusual.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ynWinters1.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Evelyn's murder is covered on the 1947project.

In the 1947project post to which you link, where I go on at the end about Tiernan, it's a reference to the previous 47p post.

Here's Winters at Ducommun & the Santa Fe Right-of-Way, March 11 of '47. I've covered her up but you can see a hand and foot to give a relative idea as to the positioning of the supine body.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4858/...013f9ed2_z.jpg

She had been murdered elsewhere and then dragged from a car, approximately ten feet. There was blunt force trauma to the head but the cause of death was stabbing.

Of course one of the most unusual facets of the case was George Wickliffee, who found her, and alerted authorities (a nearby SoCal Gas Co fireman) after he'd kissed her and fondled her breasts (Winters was exposed from the neck down)—they were tipped off by her lipstick on his lips. Wickliffee was thereafter confined to Camarillo.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4872/...b89fd2da42.jpg
George Franklin Wickliffee had a long record, and was a professional vagrant and window-peeper.

In the game LA Noire, there's a copycat case as "Evelyn Summers" and when a railroad worker confesses he'd kissed the corpse, Detective Galloway hauls off and clocks him one; well, you can see for yourself.

CityBoyDoug Jan 2, 2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423759)
For newcomers to the thread.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QlnSPS.jpg
kcet

Red arrow at right points to Ducommun Street.

Complete 1956 Shell Oil map can be found at davidrumsey

Ducommun street was named after the Ducommun family who sold various metals.

That name always reminds of when my father died. His die casting company and of course by then my mother owed the Ducommun Company $10,000 [in 2019 that would be about $86,000]. This bill due was for aluminum and zinc he had purchased for making aircraft parts.


https://waterandpower.org/1%20Histor...1/Ducommun.jpg
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Charles Louis Ducommun, a watchmaker by training, emigrated to the US from Switzerland in the early 1840s. He started a general store, providing supplies (and credit) to gold prospectors and other pioneers who had settled in the burgeoning pueblo of Los Angeles. Ducommun Street was named for Charles Louis.

Martin Pal Jan 3, 2019 12:01 AM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...oodCanteen.jpgWikimedia

I saw this photo captioned: Barbara Britton at the Hollywood Canteen.

I hadn't seen any exterior photos of the Hollywood Canteen that were similar so I tried to figure out where this was taken. I believe the building at top center is the Guaranty Building located at Hollywood Blvd. and Ivar St. I'm sure it was taken south of there because if it were taken north the Knickerbocker Hotel would block the Guaranty building in some respect. Both the Hollywood Canteen and the USO were a block west of Ivar, so the angle wouldn't be right if Miss Britton were at either of those places.

I don't think it was taken on Vine Street because the Broadway or Plaza would be in the view and I don't recall any trees on the west side in any Vine St. pictures of this area.

Because of this photo...

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5853442)
1940 Hollywood Aerial / Cahuenga Pass (NBC on Vine)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072195.jpg
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...and because to the left of the group in the Britton photo there are cars parked there, I believe it was probably taken behind either the CBS Radio Theatre or Tom Breneman's restaurant where he did his radio show.
The first street west is Morningside Court which intersects Selma Ave.

Then I discovered this 1949 photo...

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FiNMiUUpE...otosofLA-6.jpgLos Angeles Theatres Blogspot


In the left top of this photo is the Guaranty Building. Directly below it in the photo is a three story white building whose configuration looks the same as the building in the background of the Britton photograph.
So the general location for that photo is behind one of the locations fronting Vine Street. Could anyone be more specific?


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