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UrbanImpact Oct 5, 2012 3:34 PM

MIAMI | Panorama Tower | 868 FT| 80 FLOORS
 
http://miami.curbed.com/archives/201...nstruction.php
Action Starts At 1101 Brickell, Miami's Next Tallest Building
Thursday, October 4, 2012, by Sean McCaughan

Earlier this year developer Tibor Hollo (a guy that's been building things in this town for as long as anyone can remember) announced his stalled project 1101 Brickell, Miami's future tallest building, would begin construction at the end of the year. Well, continuing today's apparent Curbed Miami theme of previously stalled big name projects that are back on line, Hollo told the Daily Business Review, in an article about one of Miami's last Bayfront parcels, that site work has already begun on 1101 Brickell. (How's that for a run-on sentence?) That would mean late September or early October, three solid months before the end of 2012. The building was originally designed by architect Kobi Karp to be 80 stories, 849 feet tall, and entirely residential except for a retail segment at ground level, which is presumably still the case.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...l-condos-3.jpg

Austinlee Oct 5, 2012 5:42 PM

Nice size

summersm343 Oct 5, 2012 5:53 PM

Aren't they having a problem in Miami selling condo units that are ALREADY CONSTRUCTED?

Why would developers build more?

UrbanImpact Oct 5, 2012 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 5856825)
Aren't they having a problem in Miami selling condo units that are ALREADY CONSTRUCTED?

Why would developers build more?

They are not having problems selling, which is why developers are building more (just not at the crazy pace as during the boom). Many of these condos are bought from international buyers.

summersm343 Oct 5, 2012 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 5856836)
They are not having problems selling, which is why developers are building more (just not at the crazy pace as during the boom). Many of these condos are bought from international buyers.

Ahh gotcha, I thought there were still tons of empty units on the market in Miami.

UrbanImpact Oct 5, 2012 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 5856839)
Ahh gotcha, I thought there were still tons of empty units on the market in Miami.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bu...fill-up/nL5PY/

74% condos were occupied in 2010, I'm not sure what the number are now.

colemonkee Oct 5, 2012 6:33 PM

For a new tallest, the design is... lacking. But good to see that a new tallest is moving forward.

Zapatan Oct 5, 2012 6:46 PM

In any case this it would be awesome if it got built, yet One Bay Plaza, if finished first would top this

Dale Oct 5, 2012 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colemonkee (Post 5856876)
For a new tallest, the design is... lacking. But good to see that a new tallest is moving forward.

Still beats hell out of the ill-fated Met III. It's a worthier tallest.

dave8721 Oct 5, 2012 8:15 PM

Also from what I've seen they are considering launching it as a rental tower. Rentals in the downtown area are something like 95% occupied with rental prices rising a good 10% to 20% per year. Brickell's median rent was up to $2,239/month at the end of 2011.

Quote from the developer:
Quote:

"I'm very confident" in the viability of the 1101 Brickell project, Hollo said.

"The rental market is just extraordinary," Hollo said. "Many people don't want to buy; they want to rent. So we're catering to that market."

dave8721 Oct 5, 2012 8:22 PM

Its pretty ho-hum for a new tallest, and the Banco Santander Design which is a thousand times better and right around the corner from this site would only be 840-feet high so 1101 Brickell would still be the tallest until (if) One Bayfront Plaza got built.

Dale Oct 5, 2012 9:10 PM

I actually like the overall shape, not so much the podium. Is that a sort of glass ring at the top ?

Private Dick Oct 5, 2012 10:01 PM

As Dale said, better than the Met 3 proposal.

I think it's attractive... just looks exactly like all the others... white with bluish-green glass/balconies. I like a tallest to stand out... this will just look like the king surrounded by all his midget condo subjects.

Definitely nice, but nothing inspiring or exciting., considering the lack of originality.

KevinFromTexas Oct 6, 2012 4:43 AM

That sure does look taller than 849 feet. If I didn't see the height listed I'd think it's a supertall.

N830MH Oct 6, 2012 4:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5857481)
That sure does look taller than 849 feet. If I didn't see the height listed I'd think it's a supertall.

Actually, yes it is. it's super tallest tower. I think they have more than 80 floors. I don't believe if they have observation deck or not. It's whether if they build one.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Oct 6, 2012 5:09 AM

Miami deserves better...looks like an over sized generic condo tower just like the others that have sprung up all around Miami. none the less it will add to the Density and overall quality of the skyline.

wwmiv Oct 6, 2012 8:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 5857490)
Actually, yes it is. it's super tallest tower. I think they have more than 80 floors. I don't believe if they have observation deck or not. It's whether if they build one.

"supertall" means over 1000 feet.

wwmiv Oct 6, 2012 8:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5857481)
That sure does look taller than 849 feet. If I didn't see the height listed I'd think it's a supertall.

It reminds me of a bigger version of the Austonian.

Private Dick Oct 6, 2012 4:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 5857582)
It reminds me of a bigger version of the Austonian.

The Austonian is a much more distinctive design though... a taller Austoninan would stand out on the Miami skyline. This new one in Miami is nice, but just too similar to all of the other new "Florida" style condos built in Miami in the last boom.

http://www.jhjackson.com/wp-content/...austonian1.jpg
http://www.jhjackson.com/austin-skyl...nian-building/

UrbanImpact Oct 6, 2012 5:30 PM

^^Agreed! This tower is "meh"

Dale Oct 6, 2012 5:35 PM

Wow! I remember how giddy South Floridians were about Met III being a new tallest. This one is tons more poetic.

Private Dick Oct 6, 2012 6:03 PM

^ Well, I think with the huge high-rise boom that Miami had, people are naturally going to want and expect more now. If this one was proposed 7 years ago, I'm sure the reaction would be more positive.

But when you already have this...
http://www.dienerproperties.com/imag...iami-Condo.jpg
http://www.dienerproperties.com/epic-condo-miami.htm

and this...
http://www.bocaexecutiverealty.com/i...l/A1629624.jpg
http://www.bocaexecutiverealty.com/r...pera_Tower.php

and this...
http://www.urbika.com/imgs/projects/...arina-blue.jpg
www.urbika.com

and this...
http://extimages2.living.net/ImagesH...7/A1690899.jpg
http://www.miamiriviera.com/realesta...or-rent/miami/

and this...
http://www.balharbourcondo.com/previ...Maria/IMG1.jpg
http://www.balharbourcondo.com/

and this...
http://www.cervera.com/webroot/files...0Tower%201.jpg
www.cervera.com


etc, etc, etc... I think it's hard to get too excited for this, even though it will be the tallest.
http://kobikarp.com/wp-content/uploa...ow-460x635.jpg
www.kobikarp.com

Private Dick Oct 6, 2012 7:03 PM

However, from this view, it looks like it could have a more dramatic impact on the skyline

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...7046/fD9IQ.jpg
http://miami.curbed.com/archives/201...1-brickell.php

BrandonJXN Oct 6, 2012 7:55 PM

Impact or not, it's still a dull (yet attractive) building in a city full of dull (yet attractive) skyscrapers. Miami really needs to step it's design up a few notches. Steal something from Melbourne because who wouldn't want to see something like this in Miami?

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g?t=1266405078
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g?t=1266405078

Or this.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/...k1/1111111.png

Or this.
http://www.constructionindustrynews....apartments.jpg

Or this.
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/m...88/LaTrobe.jpg

Private Dick Oct 7, 2012 1:40 AM

^ I actually don't like any of those Melbourne proposals AT ALL.

Miami is at the whim of real estate developers as far as "design" goes right now. When residential towers are the only buildings going up, innovative design takes a back seat. They are building "bang for their buck". Design is determined by the market in Miami. When you consider the ridiculous amount of major development that happened in Miami from around 2005 to 2010, there was not a single great piece of architecture added to the skyline -- and that's a shame. Miami's best "new" skyscrapers, office and residential, were built in the 1980s and 90s.

Illithid Dude Oct 7, 2012 5:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private Dick (Post 5858132)
^ I actually don't like any of those Melbourne proposals AT ALL.

Miami is at the whim of real estate developers as far as "design" goes right now. When residential towers are the only buildings going up, innovative design takes a back seat. They are building "bang for their buck". Design is determined by the market in Miami. When you consider the ridiculous amount of major development that happened in Miami from around 2005 to 2010, there was not a single great piece of architecture added to the skyline -- and that's a shame. Miami's best "new" skyscrapers, office and residential, were built in the 1980s and 90s.

I've actually always been partial to that three tower complex designed by Architecnia,or whatever their names is. The towers look like three cubes stacked on top of each other. Very catching.

Private Dick Oct 7, 2012 1:43 PM

^ I think you're referring to the Icon Brickell complex -- yeah, I like too.

UrbanImpact Oct 7, 2012 4:25 PM

It's exciting to have a higher peak, but ultimately it will get lost in the below:

From forum member QuantumPX on skyscrapercity.com
http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/...ps33666041.jpg
http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/...ps33666041.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7...30836ac5_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7...30836ac5_b.jpg

Dale Oct 7, 2012 4:37 PM

^ It will actually become the focal point for that perspective, being that it'll be smack in the middle, substantially taller than the clutch of towers to either side. It will be, from that perspective, a noticeable new tallest.

Yackemflaber69 Oct 7, 2012 5:35 PM

Build it

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...7046/fD9IQ.jpg
http://miami.curbed.com/archives/201...1-brickell.php[/QUOTE]

Dac150 Oct 7, 2012 6:50 PM

Very fitting for the surroundings, yet no masterpiece. Sure it would make a nice addition to the skyline.

brickell Oct 8, 2012 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 5857500)
Miami deserves better...looks like an over sized generic condo tower just like the others that have sprung up all around Miami. none the less it will add to the Density and overall quality of the skyline.

That's because it is an oversized generic condo tower.
How many cities out there wish they could be getting 800ft generic condo towers right now though?

I've got no problems with it. That it'll be the new tallest is just an accident of timing. If it does end up at that height, it will be outdone before the decade is out.

Private Dick Oct 9, 2012 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickell (Post 5859435)
That's because it is an oversized generic condo tower.
How many cities out there wish they could be getting 800ft generic condo towers right now though?

I've got no problems with it. That it'll be the new tallest is just an accident of timing. If it does end up at that height, it will be outdone before the decade is out.

Every city save New York and Chicago would love to be getting this tower. It's only kinda boring because it's in Miami

dave8721 Dec 7, 2012 6:52 PM

Slightly different (but still rather bland and generic looking) rendering used in a South Florida Business Journal article today. Also the building has been named "Panorama Tower":
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...ter-could.html
http://assets.bizjournals.com/southf...-FINAL.jpg?v=1

skyscraperfan23 Dec 9, 2012 6:34 PM

This is just the beginning of the supertall skyscraper in miami.

bobdreamz Dec 9, 2012 8:24 PM

The problem is developer Tibor Hollo is used to building towers that sit on top of parking podiums. The tower it self isn't bad but the base is blase' to say the least. This is what the market dictates though since the buyers will be wealthy & have cars even though mass transit is literally at their feet with a Metromover station nearby. These buyers are not going to want to park their Benz or BMWs on the street even though it's a relatively safe neighborhood.

PS: I just wish Hollo would begin One Bayfront Plaza already instead of wasting his time building his millionth condo tower!

caltrane74 Dec 11, 2012 4:40 PM

How is this pronounced?

Brick-"elle" or Brick-"kull"

BrandonJXN Dec 11, 2012 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 5929341)
Slightly different (but still rather bland and generic looking) rendering used in a South Florida Business Journal article today. Also the building has been named "Panorama Tower":
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...ter-could.html
http://assets.bizjournals.com/southf...-FINAL.jpg?v=1

This looks much more contemporary than the previous rendering. Still, it's just a nice design that has been done to death. Miami needs to think higher up in terms of skyscraper design.

Dale Dec 11, 2012 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThreeHundred (Post 5933746)
This looks much more contemporary than the previous rendering. Still, it's just a nice design that has been done to death. Miami needs to think higher up in terms of skyscraper design.

For daring designs, in the Miami area, look to Sunny Isles Beach.

bobdreamz Dec 15, 2012 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74 (Post 5933699)
How is this pronounced?

Brick-"elle" or Brick-"kull"

the second pronounciation sounds more like it.

jd3189 Jun 14, 2013 7:20 AM

I didn't even know this tower was proposed. Seems okay I guess. Hopefully when all these generic condos achieve a sizeable working population, Miami could start building some iconic office buildings or at least something with a design that is different from the constant style chosen today.

Guiltyspark Sep 13, 2013 4:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 6164332)
I didn't even know this tower was proposed. Seems okay I guess. Hopefully when all these generic condos achieve a sizeable working population, Miami could start building some iconic office buildings or at least something with a design that is different from the constant style chosen today.

That really isn't how it works. Jobs lead to permanent residents. I would imagine most of these condos are vacation homes.

dave8721 Oct 29, 2013 6:28 PM

Redesigned tower with 821 residential units and 128 hotel units plus over 82,000 square feet of retail and almost 40,000 square feet of office space. The FAA cut the tower from 849 to 830 feet above sea level leaving a final height of 822 feet above the street.

http://exmiami.org/index.php/panoram...ll-adds-units/

dave8721 Nov 18, 2013 7:54 PM

FECR has applied for permits to demolish the parking garage that currently sits on the site.

http://exmiami.org/index.php/demolit...anorama-tower/

(from BornIntheGrove @ ssc)
http://i.imgur.com/w7lWDCI.png

dave8721 Feb 13, 2014 8:50 PM

Demolition is beginning on the parking garage that currently sits on the site:
(image from bicatmit @ ssc)
http://imageshack.com/a/img838/4448/r61h.jpg

N830MH Feb 17, 2014 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 6450946)
Demolition is beginning on the parking garage that currently sits on the site:
(image from bicatmit @ ssc)
http://imageshack.com/a/img838/4448/r61h.jpg

Wow! I don't really remember where the old parking garage is. I haven't touch yet.

chris08876 Mar 15, 2014 7:36 AM

Tallest Miami Tower Due In 2016

Quote:

All plans are go to raise the bar for Miami’s skyline, veteran Miami developer Tibor Hollo says about his Panorama Tower project on Brickell Avenue.

In the latter years of his long and storied career, Mr. Hollo is dreaming bigger than ever for Miami: Panorama at 1101 Brickell Ave. is planned to be 830 feet tall — which would make it the tallest building in Miami and in Florida.

The 85-floor structure will have 941 rental apartments, 300,000 square feet of office space and 100,000 square feet of ground-level retail, Mr. Hollo said Tuesday in an interview with Miami Today. Overall, he added, the project will encompass about 3 million square feet of floor space.

Mr. Hollo, Panorama’s developer and owner, said his high-rise dream is well on its way to becoming a reality, as some preliminary construction has been completed to set the stage for vertical construction of the tower.

He said the project is scheduled for completion 33 months from now, which would put the opening in January 2016. He said he plans to start marketing the tower to tenants in about 15 months, or in summer 2014.

He said construction of a three-story utility building on the site is complete, and Florida Power & Light Co. is preparing to occupy the building. The building is to be used to provide power for the site. Utilities are being diverted to the site and a street crossing soon will be created, Mr. Hollo added.

Construction at the site, between Brickell Avenue and Brickell Bay Drive, started last year. Eventually, a parking garage there is to be demolished to make room for Panorama.

Mr. Hollo said this is a landmark project for him and the city.

"I’m about thrilled about it and what it does for the city," he said. "It’s an iconic project. It’s global landmark that will catapult the city to a different level."

That level will be about 41 feet above the Four Seasons Hotel & Tower, also on Brickell Avenue, which has Miami’s and Florida’s tallest building for the past 10 years.
=====================================
http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/130418/story5.shtml

bobdreamz Apr 4, 2014 8:29 AM

Garage demolition update 4/4/2014
 
http://i.imgur.com/mRgxHFD.png

Just a few more floors to go! :D

Zapatan Apr 4, 2014 6:06 PM

stoked for this one :)

guesswho Apr 4, 2014 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 6319620)
Redesigned tower with 821 residential units and 128 hotel units plus over 82,000 square feet of retail and almost 40,000 square feet of office space. The FAA cut the tower from 849 to 830 feet above sea level leaving a final height of 822 feet above the street.

http://exmiami.org/index.php/panoram...ll-adds-units/

Does a height cut of only 19 feet really matter, if so why? Obviously it does as the FAA wouldn't really meddle with private businesses otherwise, right?


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